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1. 06:13 AM - Re: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 07:12 AM - Re: Hold harmless Release (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 07:54 AM - Re: Hold harmless Release (Dr Andre Katz)
4. 08:50 AM - OSHKOSH & GAS (CZ)
5. 08:50 AM - Re: Hold harmless Release (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 10:50 AM - Re: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions (Jon Boede)
7. 11:01 AM - Re: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 11:22 AM - Re: Hold harmless Release (Roger Kemp M.D.)
9. 12:15 PM - Re: Hold harmless Release (Jorgen Nielsen)
10. 12:44 PM - Re: Hold harmless Release (Roger Kemp M.D.)
11. 12:46 PM - Re: Hold harmless Release (Dr Andre Katz)
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| Subject: | Re: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions |
Jon,
I verified the torque specification for the rocker arm bolt nuts with
the engine overhaul shop. It is as I suggested, 3.5 KGM or 25 ft.
pounds.
For those who have ever been looking for the torque specifications for
the Russian V530 propeller nuts, it is 12 KGM or 87 ft. pounds.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Boede
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions
Oops. No. :-) (sheepish look)
After I replace them (well, after I get new ones from Doug) ... how
tight should they be?
Jon
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From: adsavarese@hotmail.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:50:17 -0500
Jim,
Did you replace the crush washers on the rocker arm bolt? If not,
it could very well be the cause of the leak.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Boede
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 10:40 PM
Subject: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions
Anybody have a rule of thumb (I know that an actual number of
foot-pounds would be too much to ask for) for torquing the bolt the
provides the pivot for the rocker arms?
I changed a valve last week and then noticed that my engine was
pretty soaked with oil (well, more than usual :-). Further
investigation revealed that a pretty good drip was coming out the side
of the rocker arm bolt (er, really more around the edge of the washer on
the "head" side of the bolt, to be precise) -- in my zeal to not
over-tighten it, I under-tightened it.
So before I just make something up, I thought I'd ask how to do it
right.
Bonus question: If I tighten it to a certain point and that
doesn't line up with the cotter pin hole, should I go just a little
tighter or little looser to the next slit in the castle nut?
And here's a really wonkish question...
In the past, I had placed the cylinder base gasket over the bolts
coming out of the block (it's easiest to get it aligned just right) and
put the o-ring on the cylinder skirt.
However, the book seems to suggest that you slide the gasket over
the skirt and then put the o-ring on after that so that it's all riding
on the cylinder when you slide it onto the base bolts.
Anybody got an argument one way or the other? I usually spray my
gaskets with that copper-colored sealant to make them slightly tacky --
I haven't had any gaskets blow out since I started using that -- and so
it's easier to put the gasket on the block.
And on that, what I learned a while back is that a blown-out
cylinder base gasket ups your oil consumption by about 2.5 quarts an
hour. :-)
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Hold harmless Release |
John,
Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with your
information or your company's information if appropriate.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: John Graham
To: Yak list
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal release
form they have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use a copy
emailed to me. Thanks.
John P. Graham
CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
Cell phone (847) 641-1330
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| Subject: | Re: Hold harmless Release |
a word of caution regarding hold harmless
while doing a familiary flight few years ago my leader (T-6's) wanted me to carry
a passenger, I refused. He himself gave this fellow a ride and prior to boarding
he made the passengere sign the hold harmless agreement, while landing
unfortunately the airplane stalled and crashed with two deaths. Despite the
paper (which was given to a ground person) the suit that follow was settled in
the millions to the despair of the widow and children of the pilot. Beware.
andres
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
John,
Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with your information
or your company's information if appropriate.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: John Graham
To: Yak list
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal release form they
have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use a copy emailed to me. Thanks.
John P. Graham
CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
Cell phone (847) 641-1330
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Is anybody in the NW flying to OSHKOSH with a empty back seat and want gas/oil
assistance?
I am working on a CJ project and thought it would be fun to go for the 50th.
I am located in Everett Wa,
Send me a E-mail
chriszimmer2002@yahoo.com
Thank you in advance,
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175482#175482
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| Subject: | Re: Hold harmless Release |
Excellent point Andre. So what is the answer? Refuse to take any
passengers or is there a hold harmless agreement that would hold up in
court? Maybe one of our fellow yak list contributors/attorneys can shed
more light on the subject.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr Andre Katz
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
a word of caution regarding hold harmless
while doing a familiary flight few years ago my leader (T-6's) wanted
me to carry a passenger, I refused. He himself gave this fellow a ride
and prior to boarding he made the passengere sign the hold harmless
agreement, while landing unfortunately the airplane stalled and crashed
with two deaths. Despite the paper (which was given to a ground person)
the suit that follow was settled in the millions to the despair of the
widow and children of the pilot. Beware.
andres
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
John,
Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with
your information or your company's information if appropriate.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: John Graham
To: Yak list
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal
release form they have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use
a copy emailed to me. Thanks.
John P. Graham
CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
Cell phone (847) 641-1330
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?Yak-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | wonkish cylinder maintenance questions |
Thanks!!
I believe that's the same torque on the cylinder base nuts and the torque I
've been using on spark plugs.
Jon
From: dsavarese@elmore.rr.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions
Jon,
I verified the torque specification for the rocker arm
bolt nuts with the engine overhaul shop. It is as I suggested,
3.5 KGM or 25 ft. pounds.
For those who have ever been looking for the torque
specifications for the Russian V530 propeller nuts, it is 12 KGM or 87 ft.
pounds.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From:
Jon Boede
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:58
AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder
maintenance questions
Oops. No. :-) (sheepish look)
After I
replace them (well, after I get new ones from Doug) ... how tight should
they
be?
Jon
From: adsavarese@hotmail.com
Subject:
Re: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions
2008 06:50:17 -0500
Jim,
Did you replace the crush washers on the rocker arm
bolt? If not, it could very well be the cause of the
leak.
Dennis
-----
Original Message -----
From:
Jon
Boede
To:
yak-list@matronics.com
Sent:
Sunday, April 06, 2008 10:40 PM
Subject:
Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions
Anybody have a rule of thumb (I know that an actual number
of foot-pounds would be too much to ask for) for torquing the bolt th
e
provides the pivot for the rocker arms?
I changed a valve last week
and then noticed that my engine was pretty soaked with oil (well, mor
e
than usual :-). Further investigation revealed that a pretty good
drip was coming out the side of the rocker arm bolt (er, really more
around the edge of the washer on the "head" side of the bolt, to be
precise) -- in my zeal to not over-tighten it, I under-tightened it.
So before I just make something up, I thought I'd ask how to do it
right.
Bonus question: If I tighten it to a certain point and that
doesn't line up with the cotter pin hole, should I go just a little
tighter or little looser to the next slit in the castle nut?
And
here's a really wonkish question...
In the past, I had placed the
cylinder base gasket over the bolts coming out of the block (it's eas
iest
to get it aligned just right) and put the o-ring on the cylinder
skirt.
However, the book seems to suggest that you slide the gasket
over the skirt and then put the o-ring on after that so that it's all
riding on the cylinder when you slide it onto the base
bolts.
Anybody got an argument one way or the other? I
usually spray my gaskets with that copper-colored sealant to make the
m
slightly tacky -- I haven't had any gaskets blow out since I started
using
that -- and so it's easier to put the gasket on the block.
And on
that, what I learned a while back is that a blown-out cylinder base g
asket
ups your oil consumption by about 2.5 quarts an hour.
:-)
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions |
Yes, that's correct (cylinder base nuts). Actually, the Russian spark
plug torque spec is 18-22 ft. lbs.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Boede
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions
Thanks!!
I believe that's the same torque on the cylinder base nuts and the
torque I've been using on spark plugs.
Jon
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From: dsavarese@elmore.rr.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:10:17 -0500
Jon,
I verified the torque specification for the rocker arm bolt nuts
with the engine overhaul shop. It is as I suggested, 3.5 KGM or 25 ft.
pounds.
For those who have ever been looking for the torque specifications
for the Russian V530 propeller nuts, it is 12 KGM or 87 ft. pounds.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Boede
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions
Oops. No. :-) (sheepish look)
After I replace them (well, after I get new ones from Doug) ...
how tight should they be?
Jon
------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: adsavarese@hotmail.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:50:17 -0500
Jim,
Did you replace the crush washers on the rocker arm bolt? If
not, it could very well be the cause of the leak.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Boede
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 10:40 PM
Subject: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions
Anybody have a rule of thumb (I know that an actual number of
foot-pounds would be too much to ask for) for torquing the bolt the
provides the pivot for the rocker arms?
I changed a valve last week and then noticed that my engine
was pretty soaked with oil (well, more than usual :-). Further
investigation revealed that a pretty good drip was coming out the side
of the rocker arm bolt (er, really more around the edge of the washer on
the "head" side of the bolt, to be precise) -- in my zeal to not
over-tighten it, I under-tightened it.
So before I just make something up, I thought I'd ask how to
do it right.
Bonus question: If I tighten it to a certain point and that
doesn't line up with the cotter pin hole, should I go just a little
tighter or little looser to the next slit in the castle nut?
And here's a really wonkish question...
In the past, I had placed the cylinder base gasket over the
bolts coming out of the block (it's easiest to get it aligned just
right) and put the o-ring on the cylinder skirt.
However, the book seems to suggest that you slide the gasket
over the skirt and then put the o-ring on after that so that it's all
riding on the cylinder when you slide it onto the base bolts.
Anybody got an argument one way or the other? I usually spray
my gaskets with that copper-colored sealant to make them slightly tacky
-- I haven't had any gaskets blow out since I started using that -- and
so it's easier to put the gasket on the block.
And on that, what I learned a while back is that a blown-out
cylinder base gasket ups your oil consumption by about 2.5 quarts an
hour. :-)
Jon
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Only fly single orphaned ones. Or get a YAK 50, then the question is never
asked when you take to fly-ins. That way that 350 lb news paper reporter who
has never flown before in his/her life but is on the incentive VIP list
can't get dumped on you!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
Excellent point Andre. So what is the answer? Refuse to take any
passengers or is there a hold harmless agreement that would hold up in
court? Maybe one of our fellow yak list contributors/attorneys can shed
more light on the subject.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr Andre Katz <mailto:bu131@swbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
a word of caution regarding hold harmless
while doing a familiary flight few years ago my leader (T-6's) wanted me to
carry a passenger, I refused. He himself gave this fellow a ride and prior
to boarding he made the passengere sign the hold harmless agreement, while
landing unfortunately the airplane stalled and crashed with two deaths.
Despite the paper (which was given to a ground person) the suit that follow
was settled in the millions to the despair of the widow and children of the
pilot. Beware.
andres
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
John,
Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with your
information or your company's information if appropriate.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: John Graham <mailto:cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal release form
they have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use a copy emailed to
me. Thanks.
John P. Graham
CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
Cell phone (847) 641-1330
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?Yak-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?Yak-List
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| Subject: | Hold harmless Release |
:-)
I had to evict an overweight chap once from my Yak - kind of got forced into
taking him along, then when strapping the chap in realized the safety was
being compromised due to controls being snagged - asked him to get out. A
bit embarrassing but I was really relieved.
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D.
Sent: 08 April 2008 08:20 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
Only fly single orphaned ones. Or get a YAK 50, then the question is never
asked when you take to fly-ins. That way that 350 lb news paper reporter who
has never flown before in his/her life but is on the incentive VIP list
can't get dumped on you!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
Excellent point Andre. So what is the answer? Refuse to take any
passengers or is there a hold harmless agreement that would hold up in
court? Maybe one of our fellow yak list contributors/attorneys can shed
more light on the subject.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr Andre Katz <mailto:bu131@swbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
a word of caution regarding hold harmless
while doing a familiary flight few years ago my leader (T-6's) wanted me to
carry a passenger, I refused. He himself gave this fellow a ride and prior
to boarding he made the passengere sign the hold harmless agreement, while
landing unfortunately the airplane stalled and crashed with two deaths.
Despite the paper (which was given to a ground person) the suit that follow
was settled in the millions to the despair of the widow and children of the
pilot. Beware.
andres
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
John,
Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with your
information or your company's information if appropriate.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: John Graham <mailto:cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal release form
they have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use a copy emailed to
me. Thanks.
John P. Graham
CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
Cell phone (847) 641-1330
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?Yak-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Had one of those too. Only flew him because he had really helped me out on a
maintenance issue. But full aft stick was a challenge so just keep it mild
acro with no over the top stuff.\
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
J
I had to evict an overweight chap once from my Yak - kind of got forced into
taking him along, then when strapping the chap in realized the safety was
being compromised due to controls being snagged - asked him to get out. A
bit embarrassing but I was really relieved.
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D.
Sent: 08 April 2008 08:20 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
Only fly single orphaned ones. Or get a YAK 50, then the question is never
asked when you take to fly-ins. That way that 350 lb news paper reporter who
has never flown before in his/her life but is on the incentive VIP list
can't get dumped on you!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
Excellent point Andre. So what is the answer? Refuse to take any
passengers or is there a hold harmless agreement that would hold up in
court? Maybe one of our fellow yak list contributors/attorneys can shed
more light on the subject.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr Andre Katz <mailto:bu131@swbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
a word of caution regarding hold harmless
while doing a familiary flight few years ago my leader (T-6's) wanted me to
carry a passenger, I refused. He himself gave this fellow a ride and prior
to boarding he made the passengere sign the hold harmless agreement, while
landing unfortunately the airplane stalled and crashed with two deaths.
Despite the paper (which was given to a ground person) the suit that follow
was settled in the millions to the despair of the widow and children of the
pilot. Beware.
andres
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
John,
Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with your
information or your company's information if appropriate.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: John Graham <mailto:cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal release form
they have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use a copy emailed to
me. Thanks.
John P. Graham
CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
Cell phone (847) 641-1330
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?Yak-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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or better take this to the shows
andres
"Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Only fly single orphaned ones. Or get a YAK 50, then the question
is never asked when you take to fly-ins. That way that 350 lb news paper reporter
who has never flown before in his/her life but is on the incentive VIP
list cant get dumped on you!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
Excellent point Andre. So what is the answer? Refuse to take any passengers
or is there a hold harmless agreement that would hold up in court? Maybe one
of our fellow yak list contributors/attorneys can shed more light on the subject.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr Andre Katz
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
a word of caution regarding hold harmless
while doing a familiary flight few years ago my leader (T-6's) wanted me to
carry a passenger, I refused. He himself gave this fellow a ride and prior to
boarding he made the passengere sign the hold harmless agreement, while landing
unfortunately the airplane stalled and crashed with two deaths. Despite the
paper (which was given to a ground person) the suit that follow was settled
in the millions to the despair of the widow and children of the pilot. Beware.
andres
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
John,
Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with your information
or your company's information if appropriate.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: John Graham
To: Yak list
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release
If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal release form they
have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use a copy emailed to me.
Thanks.
John P. Graham
CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
Cell phone (847) 641-1330
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