---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/08/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:13 AM - Re: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions (A. Dennis Savarese) 2. 07:12 AM - Re: Hold harmless Release (A. Dennis Savarese) 3. 07:54 AM - Re: Hold harmless Release (Dr Andre Katz) 4. 08:50 AM - OSHKOSH & GAS (CZ) 5. 08:50 AM - Re: Hold harmless Release (A. Dennis Savarese) 6. 10:50 AM - Re: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions (Jon Boede) 7. 11:01 AM - Re: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions (A. Dennis Savarese) 8. 11:22 AM - Re: Hold harmless Release (Roger Kemp M.D.) 9. 12:15 PM - Re: Hold harmless Release (Jorgen Nielsen) 10. 12:44 PM - Re: Hold harmless Release (Roger Kemp M.D.) 11. 12:46 PM - Re: Hold harmless Release (Dr Andre Katz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:44 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Jon, I verified the torque specification for the rocker arm bolt nuts with the engine overhaul shop. It is as I suggested, 3.5 KGM or 25 ft. pounds. For those who have ever been looking for the torque specifications for the Russian V530 propeller nuts, it is 12 KGM or 87 ft. pounds. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Boede To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Oops. No. :-) (sheepish look) After I replace them (well, after I get new ones from Doug) ... how tight should they be? Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: adsavarese@hotmail.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:50:17 -0500 Jim, Did you replace the crush washers on the rocker arm bolt? If not, it could very well be the cause of the leak. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Boede To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Anybody have a rule of thumb (I know that an actual number of foot-pounds would be too much to ask for) for torquing the bolt the provides the pivot for the rocker arms? I changed a valve last week and then noticed that my engine was pretty soaked with oil (well, more than usual :-). Further investigation revealed that a pretty good drip was coming out the side of the rocker arm bolt (er, really more around the edge of the washer on the "head" side of the bolt, to be precise) -- in my zeal to not over-tighten it, I under-tightened it. So before I just make something up, I thought I'd ask how to do it right. Bonus question: If I tighten it to a certain point and that doesn't line up with the cotter pin hole, should I go just a little tighter or little looser to the next slit in the castle nut? And here's a really wonkish question... In the past, I had placed the cylinder base gasket over the bolts coming out of the block (it's easiest to get it aligned just right) and put the o-ring on the cylinder skirt. However, the book seems to suggest that you slide the gasket over the skirt and then put the o-ring on after that so that it's all riding on the cylinder when you slide it onto the base bolts. Anybody got an argument one way or the other? I usually spray my gaskets with that copper-colored sealant to make them slightly tacky -- I haven't had any gaskets blow out since I started using that -- and so it's easier to put the gasket on the block. And on that, what I learned a while back is that a blown-out cylinder base gasket ups your oil consumption by about 2.5 quarts an hour. :-) Jon ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:28 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release John, Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with your information or your company's information if appropriate. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: John Graham To: Yak list Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal release form they have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use a copy emailed to me. Thanks. John P. Graham CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com Cell phone (847) 641-1330 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:54 AM PST US From: Dr Andre Katz Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release a word of caution regarding hold harmless while doing a familiary flight few years ago my leader (T-6's) wanted me to carry a passenger, I refused. He himself gave this fellow a ride and prior to boarding he made the passengere sign the hold harmless agreement, while landing unfortunately the airplane stalled and crashed with two deaths. Despite the paper (which was given to a ground person) the suit that follow was settled in the millions to the despair of the widow and children of the pilot. Beware. andres "A. Dennis Savarese" wrote: John, Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with your information or your company's information if appropriate. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: John Graham To: Yak list Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal release form they have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use a copy emailed to me. Thanks. John P. Graham CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com Cell phone (847) 641-1330 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:24 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: OSHKOSH & GAS From: "CZ" Is anybody in the NW flying to OSHKOSH with a empty back seat and want gas/oil assistance? I am working on a CJ project and thought it would be fun to go for the 50th. I am located in Everett Wa, Send me a E-mail chriszimmer2002@yahoo.com Thank you in advance, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175482#175482 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:48 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release Excellent point Andre. So what is the answer? Refuse to take any passengers or is there a hold harmless agreement that would hold up in court? Maybe one of our fellow yak list contributors/attorneys can shed more light on the subject. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Andre Katz To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release a word of caution regarding hold harmless while doing a familiary flight few years ago my leader (T-6's) wanted me to carry a passenger, I refused. He himself gave this fellow a ride and prior to boarding he made the passengere sign the hold harmless agreement, while landing unfortunately the airplane stalled and crashed with two deaths. Despite the paper (which was given to a ground person) the suit that follow was settled in the millions to the despair of the widow and children of the pilot. Beware. andres "A. Dennis Savarese" wrote: John, Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with your information or your company's information if appropriate. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: John Graham To: Yak list Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal release form they have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use a copy emailed to me. Thanks. John P. Graham CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com Cell phone (847) 641-1330 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:27 AM PST US From: Jon Boede Subject: RE: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Thanks!! I believe that's the same torque on the cylinder base nuts and the torque I 've been using on spark plugs. Jon From: dsavarese@elmore.rr.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Jon, I verified the torque specification for the rocker arm bolt nuts with the engine overhaul shop. It is as I suggested, 3.5 KGM or 25 ft. pounds. For those who have ever been looking for the torque specifications for the Russian V530 propeller nuts, it is 12 KGM or 87 ft. pounds. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Boede To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Oops. No. :-) (sheepish look) After I replace them (well, after I get new ones from Doug) ... how tight should they be? Jon From: adsavarese@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions 2008 06:50:17 -0500 Jim, Did you replace the crush washers on the rocker arm bolt? If not, it could very well be the cause of the leak. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Boede To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Anybody have a rule of thumb (I know that an actual number of foot-pounds would be too much to ask for) for torquing the bolt th e provides the pivot for the rocker arms? I changed a valve last week and then noticed that my engine was pretty soaked with oil (well, mor e than usual :-). Further investigation revealed that a pretty good drip was coming out the side of the rocker arm bolt (er, really more around the edge of the washer on the "head" side of the bolt, to be precise) -- in my zeal to not over-tighten it, I under-tightened it. So before I just make something up, I thought I'd ask how to do it right. Bonus question: If I tighten it to a certain point and that doesn't line up with the cotter pin hole, should I go just a little tighter or little looser to the next slit in the castle nut? And here's a really wonkish question... In the past, I had placed the cylinder base gasket over the bolts coming out of the block (it's eas iest to get it aligned just right) and put the o-ring on the cylinder skirt. However, the book seems to suggest that you slide the gasket over the skirt and then put the o-ring on after that so that it's all riding on the cylinder when you slide it onto the base bolts. Anybody got an argument one way or the other? I usually spray my gaskets with that copper-colored sealant to make the m slightly tacky -- I haven't had any gaskets blow out since I started using that -- and so it's easier to put the gasket on the block. And on that, what I learned a while back is that a blown-out cylinder base g asket ups your oil consumption by about 2.5 quarts an hour. :-) Jon href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:03 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Yes, that's correct (cylinder base nuts). Actually, the Russian spark plug torque spec is 18-22 ft. lbs. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Boede To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:47 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Thanks!! I believe that's the same torque on the cylinder base nuts and the torque I've been using on spark plugs. Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: dsavarese@elmore.rr.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:10:17 -0500 Jon, I verified the torque specification for the rocker arm bolt nuts with the engine overhaul shop. It is as I suggested, 3.5 KGM or 25 ft. pounds. For those who have ever been looking for the torque specifications for the Russian V530 propeller nuts, it is 12 KGM or 87 ft. pounds. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Boede To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Oops. No. :-) (sheepish look) After I replace them (well, after I get new ones from Doug) ... how tight should they be? Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: adsavarese@hotmail.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:50:17 -0500 Jim, Did you replace the crush washers on the rocker arm bolt? If not, it could very well be the cause of the leak. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Boede To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Yak-List: wonkish cylinder maintenance questions Anybody have a rule of thumb (I know that an actual number of foot-pounds would be too much to ask for) for torquing the bolt the provides the pivot for the rocker arms? I changed a valve last week and then noticed that my engine was pretty soaked with oil (well, more than usual :-). Further investigation revealed that a pretty good drip was coming out the side of the rocker arm bolt (er, really more around the edge of the washer on the "head" side of the bolt, to be precise) -- in my zeal to not over-tighten it, I under-tightened it. So before I just make something up, I thought I'd ask how to do it right. Bonus question: If I tighten it to a certain point and that doesn't line up with the cotter pin hole, should I go just a little tighter or little looser to the next slit in the castle nut? And here's a really wonkish question... In the past, I had placed the cylinder base gasket over the bolts coming out of the block (it's easiest to get it aligned just right) and put the o-ring on the cylinder skirt. However, the book seems to suggest that you slide the gasket over the skirt and then put the o-ring on after that so that it's all riding on the cylinder when you slide it onto the base bolts. Anybody got an argument one way or the other? I usually spray my gaskets with that copper-colored sealant to make them slightly tacky -- I haven't had any gaskets blow out since I started using that -- and so it's easier to put the gasket on the block. And on that, what I learned a while back is that a blown-out cylinder base gasket ups your oil consumption by about 2.5 quarts an hour. :-) Jon href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:32 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release Only fly single orphaned ones. Or get a YAK 50, then the question is never asked when you take to fly-ins. That way that 350 lb news paper reporter who has never flown before in his/her life but is on the incentive VIP list can't get dumped on you! Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release Excellent point Andre. So what is the answer? Refuse to take any passengers or is there a hold harmless agreement that would hold up in court? Maybe one of our fellow yak list contributors/attorneys can shed more light on the subject. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Andre Katz Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release a word of caution regarding hold harmless while doing a familiary flight few years ago my leader (T-6's) wanted me to carry a passenger, I refused. He himself gave this fellow a ride and prior to boarding he made the passengere sign the hold harmless agreement, while landing unfortunately the airplane stalled and crashed with two deaths. Despite the paper (which was given to a ground person) the suit that follow was settled in the millions to the despair of the widow and children of the pilot. Beware. andres "A. Dennis Savarese" wrote: John, Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with your information or your company's information if appropriate. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: John Graham Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal release form they have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use a copy emailed to me. Thanks. John P. Graham CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com Cell phone (847) 641-1330 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:52 PM PST US From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release :-) I had to evict an overweight chap once from my Yak - kind of got forced into taking him along, then when strapping the chap in realized the safety was being compromised due to controls being snagged - asked him to get out. A bit embarrassing but I was really relieved. _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D. Sent: 08 April 2008 08:20 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release Only fly single orphaned ones. Or get a YAK 50, then the question is never asked when you take to fly-ins. That way that 350 lb news paper reporter who has never flown before in his/her life but is on the incentive VIP list can't get dumped on you! Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release Excellent point Andre. So what is the answer? Refuse to take any passengers or is there a hold harmless agreement that would hold up in court? Maybe one of our fellow yak list contributors/attorneys can shed more light on the subject. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Andre Katz Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release a word of caution regarding hold harmless while doing a familiary flight few years ago my leader (T-6's) wanted me to carry a passenger, I refused. He himself gave this fellow a ride and prior to boarding he made the passengere sign the hold harmless agreement, while landing unfortunately the airplane stalled and crashed with two deaths. Despite the paper (which was given to a ground person) the suit that follow was settled in the millions to the despair of the widow and children of the pilot. Beware. andres "A. Dennis Savarese" wrote: John, Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with your information or your company's information if appropriate. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: John Graham Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal release form they have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use a copy emailed to me. Thanks. John P. Graham CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com Cell phone (847) 641-1330 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:24 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release Had one of those too. Only flew him because he had really helped me out on a maintenance issue. But full aft stick was a challenge so just keep it mild acro with no over the top stuff.\ Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release J I had to evict an overweight chap once from my Yak - kind of got forced into taking him along, then when strapping the chap in realized the safety was being compromised due to controls being snagged - asked him to get out. A bit embarrassing but I was really relieved. _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D. Sent: 08 April 2008 08:20 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release Only fly single orphaned ones. Or get a YAK 50, then the question is never asked when you take to fly-ins. That way that 350 lb news paper reporter who has never flown before in his/her life but is on the incentive VIP list can't get dumped on you! Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release Excellent point Andre. So what is the answer? Refuse to take any passengers or is there a hold harmless agreement that would hold up in court? Maybe one of our fellow yak list contributors/attorneys can shed more light on the subject. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Andre Katz Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release a word of caution regarding hold harmless while doing a familiary flight few years ago my leader (T-6's) wanted me to carry a passenger, I refused. He himself gave this fellow a ride and prior to boarding he made the passengere sign the hold harmless agreement, while landing unfortunately the airplane stalled and crashed with two deaths. Despite the paper (which was given to a ground person) the suit that follow was settled in the millions to the despair of the widow and children of the pilot. Beware. andres "A. Dennis Savarese" wrote: John, Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with your information or your company's information if appropriate. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: John Graham Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal release form they have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use a copy emailed to me. Thanks. John P. Graham CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com Cell phone (847) 641-1330 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:12 PM PST US From: Dr Andre Katz Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release or better take this to the shows andres "Roger Kemp M.D." wrote: Only fly single orphaned ones. Or get a YAK 50, then the question is never asked when you take to fly-ins. That way that 350 lb news paper reporter who has never flown before in his/her life but is on the incentive VIP list cant get dumped on you! Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release Excellent point Andre. So what is the answer? Refuse to take any passengers or is there a hold harmless agreement that would hold up in court? Maybe one of our fellow yak list contributors/attorneys can shed more light on the subject. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr Andre Katz To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release a word of caution regarding hold harmless while doing a familiary flight few years ago my leader (T-6's) wanted me to carry a passenger, I refused. He himself gave this fellow a ride and prior to boarding he made the passengere sign the hold harmless agreement, while landing unfortunately the airplane stalled and crashed with two deaths. Despite the paper (which was given to a ground person) the suit that follow was settled in the millions to the despair of the widow and children of the pilot. Beware. andres "A. Dennis Savarese" wrote: John, Here's one that you should be able to use. Fill in the blanks with your information or your company's information if appropriate. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: John Graham To: Yak list Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Yak-List: Hold harmless Release If anyone has an electronic copy of a hold harmless or legal release form they have had passengers sign when flying I could sure use a copy emailed to me. Thanks. John P. 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