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1. 04:36 AM - Re: Re: Hold harmless Release (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 05:23 AM - Re: Invite (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 09:05 AM - Re: Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today (David McGirt)
4. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Worth watching. (PeteAbbott@aol.com)
5. 09:48 AM - Re: Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today (Roger Kemp M.D.)
6. 12:45 PM - Re: Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today (YakL1@aol.com)
7. 05:26 PM - Re: Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today (David McGirt)
8. 07:44 PM - Re: Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today (Roger Kemp M.D.)
9. 08:11 PM - Re: Mud victim (Jay Land)
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| Subject: | Re: Hold harmless Release |
Now THAT is the best answer I have seen with regards to a hold harmless
agreement. Well said Bill.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Tally" <wtally@scottsboro.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:01 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Hold harmless Release
>
> The whole area of liability and efforts to avoid liability is extremely
> complex and varies with numerous factors, including the facts and
> circumstances of each situation, the legal climate in the locality, and
> the law of the jurisdiction where the accident occurs. Unfortunately,
> there is no sure-fire way to escape potential liability, no matter how
> skilfully the release, waiver or hold-harmless agreement is worded. The
> release posted by Dennis is about as complete as any you'll ever see, but
> courts and clever lawyers all over the country have found ways around
> these documents. And, it can safely be said that almost no waiver, even
> those signed by parents, are effective when is comes to children.
>
> If you want to shield yourself to the maximum amount possible, about all
> you can do is to carry whatever insurance is available, get a good waiver
> or hold-harmless wherever possible, and be as careful as you can in
> maintaining and flying your airplane. The suggestion to carry only adult,
> unmarried, childless orphans may be pretty close to reality.
>
> A properly-maintained corporation or LLC may be of limited help in some
> situations but certainly cannot be relied upon, especially if the accident
> is due to pilot error.
>
> I'm not familiar with the details, but I think that EAA does offer some
> insurance protection for the Young Eagles program.
>
> The exposure to liability from an injured passenger is analogous to the
> risk to which the pilot's family exposed for the lack of life insurance
> coverage for death occurring in experimental aircraft. Almost all
> policies exclude death which occurs in an aircraft with anything other
> than a standard airworthiness certificate, and some exclude accidents in
> anything other than scheduled airline flights. If coverage can be
> obtained at all, it is often so expensive as to be prohibitive.
>
> Whether carrying passengers or flying solo, each pilot has to evaluate the
> risk and decide if the risk is acceptable or not. We have to understand
> that what we love to do can be dangerous, and we have to do what we can to
> control and limit the risk.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175846#175846
>
>
>
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In a message dated 4/10/2008 1:35:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
erniel29@gmail.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
A simple "Hey Ernie Do you want to go" would have been nice!
Glad I'm selling the CJ.
Well Ernie do you want to go? There still 3 days of flying left for S&F and
its only :45 minutes flying time from your strip. You have a FAST card. So
you can fly in the show. You know the telephone works both ways IF YOU ARE
REALLY INTERESTED. How many times have I personally begged you to come out
fly? Didn't I bug the shit out you about coming to OSH?
Come on Ernie - you know we love ya!
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today |
Trying to make the group look good.. Hello from Soggy SNF
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| Subject: | Re: re: Worth watching. |
This is a great video - please watch and enjoy. GOD BLESS AMERICA
Subject: A great video
If you have just a few minutes , turn your speakers on , and be prepared to
enjoy a short video that is awesome.
_http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iCz3BA-oNlY_
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| Subject: | Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today |
What's the verdict on Tim's plane?
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today
Trying to make the group look good.. Hello from Soggy SNF
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| Subject: | Re: Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today |
Nice video. "Christa" is a lucky lady, Herpa has a nice DC3. The
videographer seemed to have a nice time.
Doncha think that they could have made SOME LITTLE MENTION of the pilots an
d
aircraft flying in "tight formation" with them???
In a message dated 4/10/2008 9:51:03 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
What=99s the verdict on Tim=99s plane?
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today
Trying to make the group look good.. Hello from Soggy SNF
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| Subject: | Re: Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today |
He is headed to MT Propeller tomorrow morning with the prop, they will hang
3 new blades if all is well with the hub
On 4/10/08 12:46 PM, "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
> What=B9s the verdict on Tim=B9s plane?
> Doc
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> Trying to make the group look good.. Hello from Soggy SNF
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| Subject: | Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today |
Good deal. If the hub is not ok is he going to tear down the engine?
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today
He is headed to MT Propeller tomorrow morning with the prop, they will hang
3 new blades if all is well with the hub
On 4/10/08 12:46 PM, "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
What's the verdict on Tim's plane?
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Check SNF Yak 52 Formation with DC03 on Avweb today
Trying to make the group look good.. Hello from Soggy SNF
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Thanks Jim for your kind words. We had to head out before the show today t
o
try to beat the weather coming to Atlanta so we could make a trip to Dallas
for a =B3college=B2 weekend. Hard to believe he=B9s headed there next fall!
Alex had a great time flying the show the last 2 days. Judging from the
comments on the crowd line and later on the flight line, it seemed to be
very well received and generated some great interest in the =B3RedStars=B2 (CJs
and Yaks). Even some of the other airshow performers made a number of
positive comments about the routine in a =B3stock=B2 CJ and the energy
management his routine presented.
The formation flights were great as well with a really well timed and
executed move from finger tip to echelon right at show center- it was SHARP
and I=B9ve got the video to prove it. All the planes having smoke really mad
e
us look like a =B3team=B2.
The dinner last night reminded me of a dinner at Waycross many years ago
when this all started for me..........
I hope to have a video of the routine and then one of the formations up in
the next few days.
Jay
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Mud victim
Well the mud at S&F got a victim today.
Tim Williams taxing in from flying the show, directed to taxi on what was
believe drier ground. He happen to apply power just as he hit really soft
ground. The tail of his TW came up and he got about 4" of his 3 blade prop
.
Craig Payne's warning last week of soft ground with the all the rain - fell
true. Because of the mud, attendance is WAY down. AAMOF the first day LAL
was CLOSED to all arrivals but warbirds and performers. There was simply n
o
place to park. The WB area looked like the crowed deck of a carrier with
the way they needed to park on the only solid ground.
Watched "Gabby" Land do his first and today, second arco routine in the CJ-
6
during the WB part of the show. He really flies the CJ nicely. Doing a 8
sided loop, 8 point rolls, etc. He started the routine with a 5 turn spin
and watching the CJ spin compared to all the other hot acro ships, it reall
y
looks almost "lazy". He does hammer heads (not the CJ's forte) the best
I've seen with the what looks like the pivot point being the right wing tip
.
All his lines appeared right on. It looks like he may perform at OSH too.
The troops formation looked really good to. Only 8 were on hand to fly.
I
arrive to late to participate so got to view take pictures.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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