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1. 12:33 AM - Re: New Yak-18Ts (Richard Goode)
2. 12:50 AM - Yaks in the news... (Tyson V. Rininger)
3. 04:25 AM - Re: New Yak-18Ts (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 04:49 AM - Re: {Spam?} Re: New Yak-18Ts (Richard Goode)
5. 05:01 AM - Re: {Spam?} Re: New Yak-18Ts (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 05:38 AM - Re: {Spam?} Re: New Yak-18Ts (cjpilot710@aol.com)
7. 05:39 AM - Re: {Spam?} Re: New Yak-18Ts (Roger Kemp M.D.)
8. 06:11 AM - Re: {Spam?} Re: New Yak-18Ts (Budd Davisson)
9. 06:36 AM - Briefing Card (jblake207@COMCAST.NET)
10. 08:55 AM - Re: Briefing Card (Roger Kemp M.D.)
11. 11:57 AM - Duxford (Jon Boede)
12. 12:24 PM - Re: Snakes (xiaobao)
13. 12:45 PM - Re: Duxford (Jay Land)
14. 12:57 PM - Re: Duxford (Budd Davisson)
15. 01:08 PM - Re: M14P & M14PF engines (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
16. 02:25 PM - Re: Briefing Card (CJcanuck)
17. 03:42 PM - Re: Duxford (jon blake)
18. 04:05 PM - CJ grease seals (Rich Langer)
19. 04:17 PM - Re: CJ grease seals (doug sapp)
20. 04:19 PM - Re: CJ grease seals (A. Dennis Savarese)
21. 04:22 PM - Re: CJ grease seals (Peter K. Van Staagen)
22. 04:23 PM - Re: CJ grease seals (Peter K. Van Staagen)
23. 04:32 PM - Re: CJ grease seals (jon blake)
24. 04:45 PM - Re: opinions: 360 hp vs. 400 hp (Brian Lloyd)
25. 04:52 PM - Re: M14P & M14PF engines (Brian Lloyd)
26. 04:58 PM - Re: Hangar Floors (Brian Lloyd)
27. 05:20 PM - Re: CJ grease seals (A. Dennis Savarese)
28. 07:20 PM - inverted oil pressure (HodgeJW@aol.com)
29. 08:21 PM - Carb Heat.....yes or no. Yak (Tim Gagnon)
30. 08:24 PM - Parts needed.....pop off valve...carb heat temp probe... (Tim Gagnon)
31. 08:55 PM - Re: Snakes (cjpilot710@aol.com)
32. 09:35 PM - Re: Carb Heat.....yes or no. Yak (Brian Lloyd)
33. 10:12 PM - Re: Snakes (xiaobao)
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| Subject: | Re: New Yak-18Ts |
On one hand,I suspect a new Bonanza is actually more money,but I don't
see a market for new 18T's at that price.The problem that Smolensk
THINKS that,having sold 60 for that order of price,there is a real
market in the West!
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
At 455,000 Euro, do you think they'll be selling a lot to Europe?
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Goode
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:02
To: YAK USA LIST
Subject: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
I thought that some Yak Owners would be interested to know that I have
just received a letter from the Smolensk aircraft factory in Russia,
where all 18Ts have been made, and where they are currently producing
sixty 18Ts as part of an order for the Russian Ministry of Transport.
They are offering new 18T's to me and what is interesting is that the
price ex-works is Euro 455,000 (the Russians have given up US
Dollars),
which today is US $719,000. The Ministry of Transport order
incorporates long-range wing tanks; 3-blade propeller and quite
sophisticated avionics, and it is not clear to me whether this price
covers those items - but I suspect that they will not be selling a lot
to the West.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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| Subject: | Yaks in the news... |
Just a heads up for those interested.
Jim Selby & Jim Selby, Jr. will be featured in the UK's Loop Magazine
hitting shelves any day now. While I don't know what US outlets will be
carrying the magazine, there is an online preview of the article and a
more in-depth, page-by-page spread if you choose to sign up (free) on
the website. The story revolves around the sole-surviving Yak-53 and
includes photos from one of the initial first flights in the US four
years ago along with a detailed 'walk-around' of the aircraft. Upon
hearing of the Yak-53's unique history, the magazine dedicated an
unprecedented eleven-page spread not only to the '53, but also the
history of Yakovlev and a layman's version of the Yak vs. CJ discussion.
For more information: http://www.loop.aero/
Also insuring postal carrier job security, International Council of Air
Show members will be receiving their quarterly edition of Airshows
Magazine with Barry Hancock flying Mark Schrick's Yak-50 over Central
California. In an effort to promote Red Star and future airshow
participation, president of ICAS, John Cudahy has chosen the image as
the cover photo for the next issue.
For more information: http://www.icashq.org/
I'm looking forward to seeing many of you at the next All Red Star in
May as well as joining you all for the festivities at Oshkosh and will
continue doing what I can to promote the Eastern Bloc community!
Keep flying!
Tyson
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| Subject: | Re: New Yak-18Ts |
Who did they sell 60 units to at that price?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Goode
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
On one hand,I suspect a new Bonanza is actually more money,but I don't
see a market for new 18T's at that price.The problem that Smolensk
THINKS that,having sold 60 for that order of price,there is a real
market in the West!
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
At 455,000 Euro, do you think they'll be selling a lot to Europe?
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Goode
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:02
To: YAK USA LIST
Subject: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
I thought that some Yak Owners would be interested to know that I
have
just received a letter from the Smolensk aircraft factory in Russia,
where all 18Ts have been made, and where they are currently
producing
sixty 18Ts as part of an order for the Russian Ministry of
Transport.
They are offering new 18T's to me and what is interesting is that
the
price ex-works is Euro 455,000 (the Russians have given up US
Dollars),
which today is US $719,000. The Ministry of Transport order
incorporates long-range wing tanks; 3-blade propeller and quite
sophisticated avionics, and it is not clear to me whether this price
covers those items - but I suspect that they will not be selling a
lot
to the West.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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| Subject: | Re: New Yak-18Ts |
The purchaser is the Russian Ministry of Transport,and they will be used
for training pilots for airlines.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:22 PM
Subject: {Spam?} Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
Who did they sell 60 units to at that price?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Goode
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
On one hand,I suspect a new Bonanza is actually more money,but I
don't see a market for new 18T's at that price.The problem that Smolensk
THINKS that,having sold 60 for that order of price,there is a real
market in the West!
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
At 455,000 Euro, do you think they'll be selling a lot to Europe?
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Goode
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:02
To: YAK USA LIST
Subject: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
I thought that some Yak Owners would be interested to know that I
have
just received a letter from the Smolensk aircraft factory in
Russia,
where all 18Ts have been made, and where they are currently
producing
sixty 18Ts as part of an order for the Russian Ministry of
Transport.
They are offering new 18T's to me and what is interesting is that
the
price ex-works is Euro 455,000 (the Russians have given up US
Dollars),
which today is US $719,000. The Ministry of Transport order
incorporates long-range wing tanks; 3-blade propeller and quite
sophisticated avionics, and it is not clear to me whether this
price
covers those items - but I suspect that they will not be selling a
lot
to the West.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: New Yak-18Ts |
Surely they realize the civilian general aviation market will not
support prices like that, particularly when similar GA aircraft with
Continental and Lycoming engines have 2000 hour TBO's.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Goode
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
The purchaser is the Russian Ministry of Transport,and they will be
used for training pilots for airlines.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:22 PM
Subject: {Spam?} Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
Who did they sell 60 units to at that price?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Goode
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
On one hand,I suspect a new Bonanza is actually more money,but I
don't see a market for new 18T's at that price.The problem that Smolensk
THINKS that,having sold 60 for that order of price,there is a real
market in the West!
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
At 455,000 Euro, do you think they'll be selling a lot to
Europe?
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Goode
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:02
To: YAK USA LIST
Subject: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
I thought that some Yak Owners would be interested to know that
I have
just received a letter from the Smolensk aircraft factory in
Russia,
where all 18Ts have been made, and where they are currently
producing
sixty 18Ts as part of an order for the Russian Ministry of
Transport.
They are offering new 18T's to me and what is interesting is
that the
price ex-works is Euro 455,000 (the Russians have given up US
Dollars),
which today is US $719,000. The Ministry of Transport order
incorporates long-range wing tanks; 3-blade propeller and quite
sophisticated avionics, and it is not clear to me whether this
price
covers those items - but I suspect that they will not be selling
a lot
to the West.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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| Subject: | Re: New Yak-18Ts |
In a message dated 4/23/2008 8:02:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dsavarese@elmore.rr.com writes:
Has anyone ever heard of any government not over paying for something? It
sounds like they have "pork barrel" economics over there too.
Would a STC go with a new T-18 sold in the US? I don't want to even think
about the paper work.
Pappy
Surely they realize the civilian general aviation market will not support
prices like that, particularly when similar GA aircraft with Continental and
Lycoming engines have 2000 hour TBO's.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: _Richard Goode_ (mailto:richard.goode@russianaeros.com)
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
The purchaser is the Russian Ministry of Transport,and they will be used for
training pilots for airlines.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
_www.russianaeros.com_ (http://www.russianaeros.com/)
----- Original Message -----
From: _A. Dennis Savarese_ (mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com)
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:22 PM
Subject: {Spam?} Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
Who did they sell 60 units to at that price?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Goode
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
On one hand,I suspect a new Bonanza is actually more money,but I don't see a
market for new 18T's at that price.The problem that Smolensk THINKS
that,having sold 60 for that order of price,there is a real market in the West!
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
_www.russianaeros.com_ (http://www.russianaeros.com/)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
MALS-14 64E" <_mark.bitterlich@navy.mil_ (mailto:mark.bitterlich@navy.mil) >
At 455,000 Euro, do you think they'll be selling a lot to Europe?
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: _owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com)
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:02
Subject: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
I thought that some Yak Owners would be interested to know that I have
just received a letter from the Smolensk aircraft factory in Russia,
where all 18Ts have been made, and where they are currently producing
sixty 18Ts as part of an order for the Russian Ministry of Transport.
They are offering new 18T's to me and what is interesting is that the
price ex-works is Euro 455,000 (the Russians have given up US Dollars),
which today is US $719,000. The Ministry of Transport order
incorporates long-range wing tanks; 3-blade propeller and quite
sophisticated avionics, and it is not clear to me whether this price
covers those items - but I suspect that they will not be selling a lot
to the West.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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| Subject: | Re: New Yak-18Ts |
Ah, but that is not selling to the west. It is still in the old USSR and
they are still thinking like the old USSR.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
The purchaser is the Russian Ministry of Transport,and they will be used for
training pilots for airlines.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese <mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:22 PM
Subject: {Spam?} Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
Who did they sell 60 units to at that price?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Goode
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
On one hand,I suspect a new Bonanza is actually more money,but I don't see
a market for new 18T's at that price.The problem that Smolensk THINKS
that,having sold 60 for that order of price,there is a real market in the
West!
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
At 455,000 Euro, do you think they'll be selling a lot to Europe?
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:02
To: YAK USA LIST
Subject: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
I thought that some Yak Owners would be interested to know that I have
just received a letter from the Smolensk aircraft factory in Russia,
where all 18Ts have been made, and where they are currently producing
sixty 18Ts as part of an order for the Russian Ministry of Transport.
They are offering new 18T's to me and what is interesting is that the
price ex-works is Euro 455,000 (the Russians have given up US Dollars),
which today is US $719,000. The Ministry of Transport order
incorporates long-range wing tanks; 3-blade propeller and quite
sophisticated avionics, and it is not clear to me whether this price
covers those items - but I suspect that they will not be selling a lot
to the West.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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| Subject: | Re: New Yak-18Ts |
Having worked with both the Russians and Romanians closely, many of them
still think the streets of the US are paved in gold and we will pay silly
prices regardless.
bd
On 4/23/08 4:57 AM, "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> Surely they realize the civilian general aviation market will not support
> prices like that, particularly when similar GA aircraft with Continental and
> Lycoming engines have 2000 hour TBO's.
> Dennis
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Richard Goode <mailto:richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:46 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
>>
>>
>>
>> The purchaser is the Russian Ministry of Transport,and they will be used for
>> training pilots for airlines.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>> Rhodds Farm
>> Lyonshall
>> Hereford
>> HR5 3LW
>> United Kingdom
>>
>>
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>> www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com>
>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: A. Dennis Savarese <mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>>>
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:22 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: {Spam?} Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
>>>
>>>
>>> Who did they sell 60 units to at that price?
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Richard Goode
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:28 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
>>>
>>>
>>> On one hand,I suspect a new Bonanza is actually more money,but I don't
>>> see a market for new 18T's at that price.The problem that Smolensk THINKS
>>> that,having sold 60 for that order of price,there is a real market in the
>>> West!
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>>> Rhodds Farm
>>> Lyonshall
>>> Hereford
>>> HR5 3LW
>>> United Kingdom
>>>
>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>>> www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:54 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
>>>
>>>
>>> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>
>>> At 455,000 Euro, do you think they'll be selling a lot to Europe?
>>>
>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>> N50YK
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>> Goode
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:02
>>> To: YAK USA LIST
>>> Subject: Yak-List: New Yak-18Ts
>>>
>>> I thought that some Yak Owners would be interested to know that I have
>>> just received a letter from the Smolensk aircraft factory in Russia,
>>> where all 18Ts have been made, and where they are currently producing
>>> sixty 18Ts as part of an order for the Russian Ministry of Transport.
>>>
>>> They are offering new 18T's to me and what is interesting is that the
>>> price ex-works is Euro 455,000 (the Russians have given up US Dollars),
>>> which today is US $719,000. The Ministry of Transport order
>>> incorporates long-range wing tanks; 3-blade propeller and quite
>>> sophisticated avionics, and it is not clear to me whether this price
>>> covers those items - but I suspect that they will not be selling a lot
>>> to the West.
>>>
>>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>>> Rhodds Farm
>>> Lyonshall
>>> Herefordshire
>>> HR5 3LW
>>> United Kingdom
>>>
>>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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Does anyone have a flight breifing card that they could email to me this morning.
Looked on the RPA Website, but couldn't find it. Thanks. JB
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Standby.will be in route in about 45 min.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jblake207@COMCAST.NET
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:31 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Briefing Card
Does anyone have a flight breifing card that they could email to me this
morning. Looked on the RPA Website, but couldn't find it. Thanks. JB
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This is slightly unrelated, but I think y'all will like it anyway.
We were out at the RAF Museum at Duxford yesterday. Weather was absolutely
perfect. The Aerostars were there practicing... they put on a good show.
Near the end of the day we were watching a Spitfire going around a bit and
when the pilot landed we went over to tell the pilot that where we're from,
flying a dual-control Spitfire with an empty back seat is a violation.
Well, he told us that the Spitfire belongs to his mom, and he just turned *
23* so he's been out every nice day to rack up the 50 hours he needs before
the insurance company will let him take passengers.
Talk about having your stars aligned! Great kid... he seemed to be enjoyin
g the hell out of it.
Jon
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resend the email using Plain Text formatting.
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and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text".
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Just thinking about that made Gabby cry.........
His grandparents had to drag him out of the Duxford Museum by the hair a few
years ago. I think he said all their planes fly?
How many of us would sign any waiver and duck down in the back seat for
those hours!
Jay
From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Duxford
This is slightly unrelated, but I think y'all will like it anyway.
We were out at the RAF Museum at Duxford yesterday. Weather was absolutely
perfect. The Aerostars were there practicing... they put on a good show.
Near the end of the day we were watching a Spitfire going around a bit and
when the pilot landed we went over to tell the pilot that where we're from,
flying a dual-control Spitfire with an empty back seat is a violation.
Well, he told us that the Spitfire belongs to his mom, and he just turned
*23* so he's been out every nice day to rack up the 50 hours he needs before
the insurance company will let him take passengers.
Talk about having your stars aligned! Great kid... he seemed to be enjoying
the hell out of it.
Jon
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For a second hand report go to:
http://flightjournal.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=9453C1928AC24B3D9505B8F3E1625B4F
&nm=Site+Features&type=news&mod=News&mid=9A02E3B96F2A415ABC72CB5F516B4C10&ti
er=3&nid=E668AFD57F584BD7BDF0B9F899C94386
bd
On 4/23/08 12:43 PM, "Jay Land" <jland@popeandland.com> wrote:
> Just thinking about that made Gabby cry.........
>
> His grandparents had to drag him out of the Duxford Museum by the hair a few
> years ago. I think he said all their planes fly?
>
> How many of us would sign any waiver and duck down in the back seat for those
> hours!
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:54:01 -0500
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Duxford
>
> This is slightly unrelated, but I think y'all will like it anyway.
>
> We were out at the RAF Museum at Duxford yesterday. Weather was absolutely
> perfect. The Aerostars were there practicing... they put on a good show.
>
> Near the end of the day we were watching a Spitfire going around a bit and
> when the pilot landed we went over to tell the pilot that where we're from,
> flying a dual-control Spitfire with an empty back seat is a violation.
>
> Well, he told us that the Spitfire belongs to his mom, and he just turned *23*
> so he's been out every nice day to rack up the 50 hours he needs before the
> insurance company will let him take passengers.
>
> Talk about having your stars aligned! Great kid... he seemed to be enjoying
> the hell out of it.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | M14P & M14PF engines |
In the scheme of things... It matters very little .... At least as what
concerns automobiles! :-)
As an aside, the oil I was talking about does not contain detergent.
These oils were designed for use in drag racing applications primarily,
where oil changes take place just about every time you run them.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 22:11
Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P & M14PF engines
> Walt, just as a comment, there are indeed many brands of automotive
> oil that are "ashless dispersant". An example is Valvoline Racing
Oil.
> Same reason by and large. The oil burns better without contaminating
> the plugs. At least that is why I was led to believe by the factory
> rep.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
Mark;
I had a conversation with a Shell rep many years ago about their new "W"
ashless dispersant oil. As I recall they had experimented with detergent
oils for aircraft but had determined that there was a danger of
pre-ignition in air cooled cylinders due to the presence of super heated
ash particles from the detergent. Apparently not a problem with liquid
cooling.
Perhaps racing engines are subject to higher temperatures and a similar
problem with detergents.
That was so many years back I may be totally out to lunch but that is
what I remember.
Cheers;
Walt
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| Subject: | Re: Briefing Card |
If you wouldn't mind, I'd appreciate a copy as well.
Thanks!
Mike Kirk
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178753#178753
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Great perspective and story. Thanks Jon.
Respectfully,
Jon Blake
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:54 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Duxford
This is slightly unrelated, but I think y'all will like it anyway.
We were out at the RAF Museum at Duxford yesterday. Weather was
absolutely perfect. The Aerostars were there practicing... they put on
a good show.
Near the end of the day we were watching a Spitfire going around a bit
and when the pilot landed we went over to tell the pilot that where
we're from, flying a dual-control Spitfire with an empty back seat is a
violation.
Well, he told us that the Spitfire belongs to his mom, and he just
turned *23* so he's been out every nice day to rack up the 50 hours he
needs before the insurance company will let him take passengers.
Talk about having your stars aligned! Great kid... he seemed to be
enjoying the hell out of it.
Jon
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What does everyone do about their felt grease seals? Do you just replace the old
ones (if they are still on the wheel) or are there replacement seals? I have
a rear seal that is falling apart and is basically useless and am missing a
front seal. Thanks Rich
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178778#178778
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| Subject: | Re: CJ grease seals |
Richard,
Give me a call @509-826-4610, I have some in stock.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Rich Langer <rlanger2@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> What does everyone do about their felt grease seals? Do you just replace
> the old ones (if they are still on the wheel) or are there replacement
> seals? I have a rear seal that is falling apart and is basically useless and
> am missing a front seal. Thanks Rich
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178778#178778
>
>
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Re: CJ grease seals |
Doug has all the felt seals for the CJ. Very reasonably priced.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Langer" <rlanger2@COMCAST.NET>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:02 PM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ grease seals
>
> What does everyone do about their felt grease seals? Do you just replace
> the old ones (if they are still on the wheel) or are there replacement
> seals? I have a rear seal that is falling apart and is basically useless
> and am missing a front seal. Thanks Rich
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178778#178778
>
>
>
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I replaced mine. I got them from Jill at m14p.com. I also almost decided to
set my plane on fire out of frustration in trying to get them on the wheel
and then the wheel on the plane without twisting or crimping the seal. What
I failed to realize is that just looking at the seals will cause them to
stretch so that they are too big for the slot they go in, and then you are
screwed. Perhaps someone else knows a neat trick, but I just had to keep
trying until I got them in. They were also tight as hell at first and I
really had to overtighten the bearings to keep the inner seal plate from
turning when the wheel would roll. After a few flights I could readjust the
bearings and everything was fine. Even now the seal seem to have settled
into position.
I would DEFINITELY replace the seals though. Mine were missing after the
importation and wheel bearing grease was getting past where the seal was
supposed to be and onto the brake pads and drum. You can only imagine how
poor the brakes were.
My 2 cents.
Squatch
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rich Langer
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ grease seals
What does everyone do about their felt grease seals? Do you just replace
the old ones (if they are still on the wheel) or are there replacement
seals? I have a rear seal that is falling apart and is basically useless and
am missing a front seal. Thanks Rich
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178778#178778
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Oh and mine were on a Yak 52. Not sure how different that makes it.
Squatch.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rich Langer
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ grease seals
What does everyone do about their felt grease seals? Do you just replace
the old ones (if they are still on the wheel) or are there replacement
seals? I have a rear seal that is falling apart and is basically useless and
am missing a front seal. Thanks Rich
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178778#178778
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I have the left overs of an old felt cover for a pool table. You could
cut out circular patterns and lube them for use on your CJ. That would
be option one OR you could pay Doug the 18 cents (estimated) to get the
real thing.
Respectfully,
Jon Blake
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ grease seals
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Doug has all the felt seals for the CJ. Very reasonably priced.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Langer" <rlanger2@COMCAST.NET>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:02 PM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ grease seals
>
> What does everyone do about their felt grease seals? Do you just
replace
> the old ones (if they are still on the wheel) or are there replacement
> seals? I have a rear seal that is falling apart and is basically
useless
> and am missing a front seal. Thanks Rich
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178778#178778
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: opinions: 360 hp vs. 400 hp |
On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:11 AM, Richard Goode wrote:
> Hi Brian-I would be interested to hear any technical/practical views
> of pilot's experience of P v. PF Regards
Well, I have been flying a Yak-52 with the -PF and see no difference
in operation other than with the throttle full forward the MAP is
higher and it had better acceleration and rate of climb.
I would love to hear if there is enough experience with the engine to
determine whether or not the working life is different.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: M14P & M14PF engines |
On Apr 21, 2008, at 9:56 AM, Richard Goode wrote:
> Vedenyeev have tried Western multigrade oils and say that they are
> too thin.
Yes, they are "thin". They are supposed to be. Have they done wear
tests?
At normal operating temperature 25W60 multi-vis oil has the same
viscosity as 100W straight-viscosity oil. At maximum temperature 25W60
has the same viscosity as 120W oil.
Certainly the better pour-point and more rapid circulation of oil aids
when the engine is cold and most prone to wear.
So I come back to the question about wear tests.
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: Hangar Floors |
On Apr 21, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Ira Saligman wrote:
> Does anyone have any suggestions for a new construction hangar floor
> finish. I have heard sealing was good but others say that it still
> lets oil in. Other people swear by various paint products.
I have two-part polyurethane over epoxy. Nothing goes through, not
even hydraulic fluid. I did mine in white so that when I look under
the airplane I know precisely what is leaking and from where. I then
just take a rag a wipe it up completely. Hydraulic fluid does get
sticky and needs a bit of solvent to wipe it up but neither 100LL nor
stoddard solvent will attack the polyurethane.
--
Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd.
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA
http://www.gbmontessori.com
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
--
Brian Lloyd 3191 Western Drive
brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com Cameron Park, CA 95682
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C
PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C
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| Subject: | Re: CJ grease seals |
No difference whatsoever Peter. Drums are interchangeable between the 52
and CJ6. Doug has them in stock.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter K. Van Staagen" <petervs@knology.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ grease seals
> <petervs@knology.net>
>
> Oh and mine were on a Yak 52. Not sure how different that makes it.
>
> Squatch.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rich Langer
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:03 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ grease seals
>
>
> What does everyone do about their felt grease seals? Do you just replace
> the old ones (if they are still on the wheel) or are there replacement
> seals? I have a rear seal that is falling apart and is basically useless
> and
> am missing a front seal. Thanks Rich
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178778#178778
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| Subject: | inverted oil pressure |
Hey Guys,
Was doing an outside loop today in the old 52 and noticed the prop sounded
funny and the airplane was losing energy way too fast. Looked at the oil
pressure and it was 0. Zip. Nothing. Turned said outside loop into a tail slide,
got her upright and the oil pressure returned to normal. Played around with a
bunch more maneuvers, and noticed that oil pressure was normal anytime I was
positive and zero anytime I was negative. Makes me think check valve balls in
inverted system. What do you guy think? Where do I start looking? Thanks.
Jay
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| Subject: | Carb Heat.....yes or no. Yak |
I am curious what everyones opinions is on the use/need of carb heat. My airplane
has the gear but honestly it has never worked. I have never had an issue and
I live in the midwest where we do have some humidity. It is there for a reason....so
is it worthwhile to figure what the hell is wrong with it. I probably
will but want to make sure I am not chasing my tail.
I hope everyone is well!
T
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| Subject: | Parts needed.....pop off valve...carb heat temp probe... |
I need the spring with the brass cap from the pop off valve.....mine went TU today.
I was hoping someone had one laying around that needed a good home. As stated
in another post, I am working out my carb heat issue and need the probe that
attaches to the airbox.
I am working on a squawk sheet prior to my airplane having possible/probable sale.
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In a message dated 4/23/2008 3:26:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aihuabao@yahoo.com writes:
Yep. My CJ-6 was used as the photo ship. A German photographer was doing
an article on the machine and its owner and was also staying with friends o
n
our airpark. The Cobra was on its way north and RON at our airpark. The gu
ys
than gave me some stick time for using my plane.
I help in finding some back ground too. There is a virgin area not far fro
m
us that looks just like the Mekong Delta. It even has elephant grass. We
took some pictures over that.
JIm "Pappy" Goolsby
Was the Goolsby Cobra photo taken in Crescent City?
--- On Tue, 4/22/08, jon blake <jblake207@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
From: jon blake <jblake207@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Yak-List: Snakes
Thought you=A2d like to see Pappy in a real WARBIRD!!
Can someone please say GARRY OWEN!!
See you at Fiddlers Green Pappy.
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| Subject: | Re: Carb Heat.....yes or no. Yak |
On Apr 23, 2008, at 8:18 PM, Tim Gagnon wrote:
>
> I am curious what everyones opinions is on the use/need of carb
> heat. My airplane has the gear but honestly it has never worked. I
> have never had an issue and I live in the midwest where we do have
> some humidity. It is there for a reason....so is it worthwhile to
> figure what the hell is wrong with it. I probably will but want to
> make sure I am not chasing my tail.
The single-point fuel injection system used in the Yaks and CJs (I
call it that because everyone thinks carb ice when you say
"carburetor") is not prone to icing. The fuel spray bar is downstream
from the throttle valve and feeds fuel directly into the supercharger
housing. The drop in temp from the vaporizing fuel takes place in the
supercharger housing where it is more than offset by the thermal mass
of the blower impeller and compression heating.
The real reason for having "carb heat" is to provide a source of
alternate air.
--
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On Wed, 4/23
/08, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
>>Yep. <<
yeahhhhhhhhhh ... I thought I recognized the terrain.
>>There is a virgin area not far from us that looks just like the Mekong Delta.<<
Where's that, along the natural path of the Oklawaha or somewhere else in the Rodman
Range?
best ....
jack
My CJ-6 was used as the photo ship. A German photographer was doing an article
on the machine and its owner and was also
staying with friends on our airpark. The Cobra was on its way north and RON at
our airpark. The guys than gave me some stick time for using my plane.
> I help in finding some back ground too. There is a virgin
> area not far from us that looks just like the Mekong Delta. It even has
> elephant grass. We took some pictures over that.
>
> JIm "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
>
> Was the Goolsby Cobra photo taken in Crescent City?
>
>
> --- On Tue, 4/22/08, jon blake
> <jblake207@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
>
> From: jon blake <jblake207@COMCAST.NET>
> Subject: Yak-List: Snakes
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 10:43 PM
>
>
>
>
> Thought youd like to see Pappy in a real WARBIRD!!
> Can someone please say GARRY OWEN!!
> See you at Fiddlers Green Pappy.
>
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> for U.S. used car
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