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1. 04:45 AM - Re: Fuel Costs (cjpilot710@aol.com)
2. 08:05 AM - Re: Fuel Costs (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 09:48 AM - Oshkosh AirVenture (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 10:26 AM - Re: Oshkosh AirVenture (Barry Hancock)
5. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Oshkosh AirVenture (dabear)
6. 01:00 PM - Re: Fuel Costs (Mozam)
7. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Costs (Peter K. Van Staagen)
8. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Oshkosh AirVenture (David McGirt)
9. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Final answer on ethanol testing (Herb Coussons)
10. 06:01 PM - Re: Oshkosh AirVenture (cjpilot710@aol.com)
11. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Final answer on ethanol testing (Terry Lewis)
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In a message dated 5/20/2008 12:05:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Rollrate@aol.com writes:
Yep. Don't vote for Obama or Hillary. And don't vote for any democrat (or
republican) who isn't for increasing drilling, adding new refineries, and
adding a nuclear power plant (or two) to every state.
Ladies and Gentlemen I see the US as entering a real inflationary period.
Particularly with the party make up of the house and senate. The hippy
generation is now voting the "givememinenow" mind set. Our founding fathers made
one mistake, they didn't put term limits on the house or senate. For the next
eight years (even if McCain is elected) I don't see the economy getting any
better than it is right this minute.
I don't see the EPA being kick out or rained in by any of those running, so
you can expect fuel situation not to improve one Iota. Plus we've let every
level of government get its fingers into our pockets, (local taxes, 'flowage
fees', etc. ) The list is too long.
Now look! You've got me started! And this list is not the place people
like to discuss politics. But our flying is very much "controlled" by politics.
Every facet of it. And yet I come here to get away from politics.
Yes I see prices getting very high for aviation fuel but still available. I
see a lot of airplanes getting parked and their valve going down. That
includes mine.
My flying days are nearly over. I do not envy you younger guys and gals
whose passion for flying like mine, may very well get derailed.
This is the last you'll hear from me on this subject. Its too God damned
depressing.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Where is fuel going to end up? At 17 gallons an hour and possibly $10. per
gallon fuel, the cost of ownership sadly may ground or keep flying to a
minimum for some owners and may flood the market with Yaks. Looks like auto fuel
burning Nanchangs have the upper hand in this realm although ethanol is an
issue. Hopefully ethanol will go away leaving the auto fuel option for CJ
pilots. Corn belongs on your plate, not in your tank..
Any insight concerning the fuel situation? I worry about the value of my
plane dropping and would appreciate any comments.
Pete
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Take a look/listen to this. It was on AVWEB about 2 or so weeks ago.
It may be our only hope for the future.
Dennis
http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_SwiftEnterprises_Synthe
ticFuel_JohnZiulkowski_197843-1.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Rollrate@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:59 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Fuel Costs
Where is fuel going to end up? At 17 gallons an hour and possibly
$10. per gallon fuel, the cost of ownership sadly may ground or keep
flying to a minimum for some owners and may flood the market with Yaks.
Looks like auto fuel burning Nanchangs have the upper hand in this realm
although ethanol is an issue. Hopefully ethanol will go away leaving
the auto fuel option for CJ pilots. Corn belongs on your plate, not in
your tank..
Any insight concerning the fuel situation? I worry about the value of
my plane dropping and would appreciate any comments.
Pete
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| Subject: | Oshkosh AirVenture |
Troops,
An important reminder. You must register with the UoW for you dorm rooms -
not just on the RPA web site.
Today I called the UoW they only have 24 people who have booked rooms under
RPA and paid deposits. Off the RPA web site, I have 37 who have indicated
they wanted dorm rooms.
If you have not talked to the UoW directly - you are not booked.
You must book with the UoW and provide them with a deposit BEFORE June 15th.
Visa or Master card only.
Call Sarah Klein at 920-424-3226 to book the rooms. The dorms are filling
fast. At $50 per night for 2 beds, people are looking for deals.
"Chop Chop" guys.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh AirVenture |
My problem is no one answers the phone, I leave a message and don't
get a response for days. They call back and leave a message and
then when I return the call the whole routine starts again.....
On May 20, 2008, at 9:44 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> Troops,
>
> An important reminder. You must register with the UoW for you dorm
> rooms - not just on the RPA web site.
>
> Today I called the UoW they only have 24 people who have booked
> rooms under RPA and paid deposits. Off the RPA web site, I have 37
> who have indicated they wanted dorm rooms.
>
> If you have not talked to the UoW directly - you are not booked.
>
> You must book with the UoW and provide them with a deposit BEFORE
> June 15th. Visa or Master card only.
>
> Call Sarah Klein at 920-424-3226 to book the rooms. The dorms are
> filling fast. At $50 per night for 2 beds, people are looking for
> deals.
>
> "Chop Chop" guys.
>
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh AirVenture |
It pains me greatly to agree with Barry in public ;-) but I get the
same issue. If this keeps up, I'll just stay at MTW and fly in each
day.
dabear
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Hancock
To: cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Oshkosh AirVenture
My problem is no one answers the phone, I leave a message and don't
get a response for days. They call back and leave a message and then
when I return the call the whole routine starts again.....
On May 20, 2008, at 9:44 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
Troops,
An important reminder. You must register with the UoW for you dorm
rooms - not just on the RPA web site.
Today I called the UoW they only have 24 people who have booked
rooms under RPA and paid deposits. Off the RPA web site, I have 37 who
have indicated they wanted dorm rooms.
If you have not talked to the UoW directly - you are not booked.
You must book with the UoW and provide them with a deposit BEFORE
June 15th. Visa or Master card only.
Call Sarah Klein at 920-424-3226 to book the rooms. The dorms are
filling fast. At $50 per night for 2 beds, people are looking for
deals.
"Chop Chop" guys.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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[quote="Rollrate(at)aol.com"] Looks like auto fuel burning Nanchangs have the
upper hand in this realm although ethanol is an issue. Hopefully ethanol will
go away leaving the auto fuel option for CJ pilots. Corn belongs on your plate,
not in your tank..
Any insight concerning the fuel situation? I worry about the value of my plane
dropping and would appreciate any comments.
Pete
quote]
Hi Pete,
I agree decreasing values is a real possibility as rising fuel prices cause a glut
of planes on the market. And it appears that it is, or very soon will be,
impossible to buy auto gas without some amount of ethanol in it. No plane owners
are gonna be able to find auto gas that they can use.
Hopefully 100LL's replacement will arrive sooner, rather than later.
-Steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184079#184079
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Seems to me the Ethanol problem is an easy one to beat. According to
previous emails you check for ethanol by adding water to the fuel shake up
and the ethanol combines with the water and comes out of the fuel. So it
would seem that all you need to do is by auto gas, chuck in some water shake
it up and then separate the water from the auto gas.
Could it be that easy? Merely a 10% loss of fuel quantity...
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mozam
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Costs
[quote="Rollrate(at)aol.com"] Looks like auto fuel burning Nanchangs have
the upper hand in this realm although ethanol is an issue. Hopefully
ethanol will go away leaving the auto fuel option for CJ pilots. Corn
belongs on your plate, not in your tank..
Any insight concerning the fuel situation? I worry about the value of my
plane dropping and would appreciate any comments.
Pete
quote]
Hi Pete,
I agree decreasing values is a real possibility as rising fuel prices cause
a glut of planes on the market. And it appears that it is, or very soon
will be, impossible to buy auto gas without some amount of ethanol in it.
No plane owners are gonna be able to find auto gas that they can use.
Hopefully 100LL's replacement will arrive sooner, rather than later.
-Steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184079#184079
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh AirVenture |
Just speaking about ground operations for Osh this year, anyone that does
not stay @ OSH, will be a royal pain in ground ops. There is a team that
has been working with EAA/Warbirds since SnF on this project.. People not
flying the show, will be parked in a different area than the participants,
etc... Just FYI , that is all.. Maybe Jim can give the dorms some love, and
they will call you guys quicker..
On 5/20/08 1:59 PM, "dabear" <Dabear@damned.org> wrote:
> It pains me greatly to agree with Barry in public ;-) but I get the same
> issue. If this keeps up, I'll just stay at MTW and fly in each day.
>
> dabear
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Barry Hancock <mailto:bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
>>
>> To: cjpilot710@aol.com
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:19 PM
>>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Oshkosh AirVenture
>>
>>
>> My problem is no one answers the phone, I leave a message and don't get a
>> response for days. They call back and leave a message and then when I
>> return the call the whole routine starts again.....
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2008, at 9:44 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Troops,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> An important reminder. You must register with the UoW for you dorm rooms
-
>>> not just on the RPA web site.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Today I called the UoW they only have 24 people who have booked rooms under
>>> RPA and paid deposits. Off the RPA web site, I have 37 who have indicated
>>> they wanted dorm rooms.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have not talked to the UoW directly - you are not booked.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You must book with the UoW and provide them with a deposit BEFORE June
>>> 15th. Visa or Master card only.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Call Sarah Klein at 920-424-3226 to book the rooms. The dorms are filling
>>> fast. At $50 per night for 2 beds, people are looking for deals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Chop Chop" guys.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at
>>> AOL Food <http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001> .
>>
>>
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>> avigator?Yak-List
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| Subject: | Re: Final answer on ethanol testing |
Does this even mean that the Mogas sold on the field (if its
available) has ethanol as a contaminant?
MTW now has Mogas on the field, last I checked it was about $3.75 per
gal and they are notoriously high for 100LL - they were selling 100LL
for about $5.35 several weeks ago. So it was $1.60 cheaper for the
mogas on the field - but if what say is true, how can they guarantee
it free of ethanol?
Herb
On May 16, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Mozam wrote:
>
>
>> Once I do that then *I* will have the final answer on ethanol
>> testing regardless of what *anyone* has to say about it.
>
>
> Below is a cut and paste from an EAA article on their web site
> today. Is it possible BOTH the FAA and EAA got this very simple
> test wrong?
>
>>> EAAs auto fuel Alcohol Test Kit allows a pilot or aircraft
>>> maintenance technician to make preventative tests on auto fuel,
>>> even before fuel is purchased for an aircraft. Simply pour water,
>>> then auto fuel, in the included test tube and shake it to mix the
>>> contents. When the mixture has settled within five to 10 minutes,
>>> a gauge on the test tube indicates whether the water level has
>>> risen. An increase in the amount of water on the gauge indicates
>>> that alcohol is present in the fuel. The gauge will also indicate
>>> the percentage of alcohol. EAAs kit is simpler than previous
>>> tests, as much less fuel is used to make a determination.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183423#183423
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh AirVenture |
In a message dated 5/20/2008 8:30:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
isaligman@saligman.com writes:
Troops,
When you talk to them make sure you tell them you are "RPA" or "Red Star
Pilots Association". The young lady I talked to today, said we still had rooms
being held for us. That the second floor of Evans Hall was full with RPA and
that the other rooms would be on the 3rd & 4th floors. That was what I was
told.
We put down $1,000 of deposit for some 20 extra rooms on top of what was
already booked. They will only hold those rooms until June 15th. After that
they keep the deposit and open the room for that waiting list.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Hi Pappy,
I tried the number several times today and finally did get through to an
answering machine.
The machine said the rooms are sold out but they are making a waiting list.
Are there any magic words which might unlock additional RPA held rooms?
Ira
On 5/20/08, _cjpilot710@aol.com_ (mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com)
<_cjpilot710@aol.com_ (mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com) > wrote:
Troops,
An important reminder. You must register with the UoW for you dorm rooms -
not just on the RPA web site.
Today I called the UoW they only have 24 people who have booked rooms under
RPA and paid deposits. Off the RPA web site, I have 37 who have indicated
they wanted dorm rooms.
If you have not talked to the UoW directly - you are not booked.
You must book with the UoW and provide them with a deposit BEFORE June 15th.
Visa or Master card only.
Call Sarah Klein at 920-424-3226 to book the rooms. The dorms are filling
fast. At $50 per night for 2 beds, people are looking for deals.
"Chop Chop" guys.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Final answer on ethanol testing |
You must get a tester and use on all mogas.
Terry Lewis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herb Coussons" <drc@wscare.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Final answer on ethanol testing
>
> Does this even mean that the Mogas sold on the field (if its available)
> has ethanol as a contaminant?
> MTW now has Mogas on the field, last I checked it was about $3.75 per gal
> and they are notoriously high for 100LL - they were selling 100LL for
> about $5.35 several weeks ago. So it was $1.60 cheaper for the mogas on
> the field - but if what say is true, how can they guarantee it free of
> ethanol?
>
> Herb
>
>
> On May 16, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Mozam wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> Once I do that then *I* will have the final answer on ethanol testing
>>> regardless of what *anyone* has to say about it.
>>
>>
>> Below is a cut and paste from an EAA article on their web site today.
>> Is it possible BOTH the FAA and EAA got this very simple test wrong?
>>
>>>> EAAs auto fuel Alcohol Test Kit allows a pilot or aircraft
>>>> maintenance technician to make preventative tests on auto fuel, even
>>>> before fuel is purchased for an aircraft. Simply pour water, then auto
>>>> fuel, in the included test tube and shake it to mix the contents. When
>>>> the mixture has settled within five to 10 minutes, a gauge on the test
>>>> tube indicates whether the water level has risen. An increase in the
>>>> amount of water on the gauge indicates that alcohol is present in the
>>>> fuel. The gauge will also indicate the percentage of alcohol. EAAs
>>>> kit is simpler than previous tests, as much less fuel is used to make
>>>> a determination.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183423#183423
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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