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1. 04:30 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Jacques Bodart)
2. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Hans Oortman)
3. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Jan Mevis)
5. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Budd Davisson)
6. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Roger Kemp)
7. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Budd Davisson)
8. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Jan Mevis)
9. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Budd Davisson)
10. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Budd Davisson)
12. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (A. Dennis Savarese)
13. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Walter Lannon)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 |
Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
rate.
Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
Many thanks
Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
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> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E)
> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
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> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
> o 610 940 0420
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> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of course,
> only easier....
>
>
> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
>
>
> Jan Mevis
>
> Yak 50 RA2005K
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>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
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>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
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> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
> Ira,
>
> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> wing tips?
>
> If so, why change to spads?
>
> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 940 0420
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> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
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> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>
> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
> in 83.
> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> Richard Goode
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Ira,
>
> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on th
> e wing tips?
>
> If so, why change to spads?
>
> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 940 0420
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>
> isaligman@Saligman.com
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> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
>
>
> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see a
> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>
> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for pilo
> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
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> Thanks,
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> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in 83.
>
> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>
> Richard Goode
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Ira,
>
> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> wing tips?
>
> If so, why change to spads?
>
> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 940 0420
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>
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> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>
>
> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> > A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
> > another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >
> > I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> > pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
> -)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52 aerobatic
>
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> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>
>
> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> for solo and dual flight?
>
> John P. Graham
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> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>
>
> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you comfortable
> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10 deg.
> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
> Doc
> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>
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> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> for solo and dual flight?
>
> John P. Graham
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> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
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> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>
> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> has shovels... An 84 model.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> M.D.
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> 83.
>
> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>
> Richard Goode
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Ira,
>
> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> Shovels on the wing tips?
>
> If so, why change to spads?
>
> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 940 0420
>
> c 610 324 5500
>
> f 215 243 7699
>
>
> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>
>
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> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
>
>
> Doc
> You need them!
> David H.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
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> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by the
> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> has shovels... An 84 model.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> M.D.
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> 83.
>
> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>
> Richard Goode
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Ira,
>
> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> Shovels on the wing tips?
>
> If so, why change to spads?
>
> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 940 0420
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 |
Does anybody know the equivalent oil designation for W100 at Esso (Exxon??)
Hans O.
Dutch Yak Driver
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 |
Jacques,
In my opinion it would be somewhat impossible to seal the aileron gaps on a
52 or 50 because the pivot point of the aileron is aft of the leading edge.
The aileron protrudes below the wing gap when the aileron trailing edge is
up. The reason for the design is to keep the ailerons functional during a
full stall, which has been proven in spin testing to be valuable in spin
recovery by using in-spin aileron.
Dennis
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:27 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
> <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
>
> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
> rate.
>
> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>
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>> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
>> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
>> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
>> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
>> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
>> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
>> MALS-14 64E)
>> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
>> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
>> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
>> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>> o 610 940 0420
>> c 610 324 5500
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
>> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
>> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
>> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
>> course,
>> only easier....
>>
>>
>> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
>>
>>
>> Jan Mevis
>>
>> Yak 50 RA2005K
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>>
>> o 610 940 0420
>>
>> c 610 324 5500
>>
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>>
>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> Ira,
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
>> the
>> wing tips?
>>
>> If so, why change to spads?
>>
>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>>
>> o 610 940 0420
>>
>> c 610 324 5500
>>
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>>
>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
>> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came
>> out
>> in 83.
>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>> Richard Goode
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> Ira,
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
>> th
>> e wing tips?
>>
>> If so, why change to spads?
>>
>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
>> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>>
>> o 610 940 0420
>>
>> c 610 324 5500
>>
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>>
>>
>> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>
>>
>>
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>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
>>
>>
>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
>> a
>> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>
>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
>> pilo
>> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jon
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 6
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
>> 83.
>>
>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>
>> Richard Goode
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> Ira,
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
>> the
>> wing tips?
>>
>> If so, why change to spads?
>>
>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>>
>> o 610 940 0420
>>
>> c 610 324 5500
>>
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>>
>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>
>>
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>> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
>> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> > A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
>> > see
>> > another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>> >
>> > I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
>> > pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
>> -)
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Jon
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
>> aerobatic
>>
>> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good fortune
>> to
>>
>> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 8
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
>> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>
>>
>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>> for solo and dual flight?
>>
>> John P. Graham
>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>
>>
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>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>
>>
>> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
>> comfortable
>> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
>> deg.
>> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
>> Doc
>> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>
>>
>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>> for solo and dual flight?
>>
>> John P. Graham
>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>
>>
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>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>>
>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>> M.D.
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
>> 83.
>>
>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>
>> Richard Goode
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>>
>> Ira,
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>
>> If so, why change to spads?
>>
>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>>
>> o 610 940 0420
>>
>> c 610 324 5500
>>
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>>
>>
>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
>> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
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>>
>> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
>> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
>>
>>
>> Doc
>> You need them!
>> David H.
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
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>>
>> ________________________________ Message 13
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
>> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
>> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
>> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by
>> the
>> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
>> Doc
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
>> Mark G
>> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>> M.D.
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
>> 83.
>>
>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>
>> Richard Goode
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>>
>> Ira,
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>
>> If so, why change to spads?
>>
>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>>
>> o 610 940 0420
>>
>> c 610 324 5500
>>
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps a few
degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques Bodart
Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
rate.
Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
Many thanks
Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
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> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E)
> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
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> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
> o 610 940 0420
> c 610 324 5500
> f 215 243 7699
>
> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>
>
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>
> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
course,
> only easier....
>
>
> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
>
>
> Jan Mevis
>
> Yak 50 RA2005K
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 940 0420
>
> c 610 324 5500
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>
>
> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
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>
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>
> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
> Ira,
>
> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> wing tips?
>
> If so, why change to spads?
>
> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 940 0420
>
> c 610 324 5500
>
> f 215 243 7699
>
>
> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
>
> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>
> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
> in 83.
> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> Richard Goode
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Ira,
>
> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on th
> e wing tips?
>
> If so, why change to spads?
>
> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 940 0420
>
> c 610 324 5500
>
> f 215 243 7699
>
>
> isaligman@Saligman.com
>
>
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> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
>
>
> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
a
> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>
> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
pilo
> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
>
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>
> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in 83.
>
> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>
> Richard Goode
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Ira,
>
> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> wing tips?
>
> If so, why change to spads?
>
> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 940 0420
>
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>
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>
>
> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>
>
> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> > A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
see
> > another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >
> > I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> > pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
> -)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
aerobatic
>
> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good fortune
to
>
> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
>
>
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>
>
> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>
>
> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> for solo and dual flight?
>
> John P. Graham
> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>
>
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>
> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>
>
> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
comfortable
> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
deg.
> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
> Doc
> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>
>
> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> for solo and dual flight?
>
> John P. Graham
> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>
>
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>
> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>
> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> has shovels... An 84 model.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> M.D.
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> 83.
>
> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>
> Richard Goode
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Ira,
>
> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> Shovels on the wing tips?
>
> If so, why change to spads?
>
> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 940 0420
>
> c 610 324 5500
>
> f 215 243 7699
>
>
> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
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> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
>
>
> Doc
> You need them!
> David H.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
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>
> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by the
> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> has shovels... An 84 model.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> M.D.
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> 83.
>
> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>
> Richard Goode
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Ira,
>
> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> Shovels on the wing tips?
>
> If so, why change to spads?
>
> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 940 0420
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>
> f 215 243 7699
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 |
Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that it makes
a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing really
effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which the
"curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the ailerons was
totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed machine with
any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
bd
On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>
> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps a few
> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
>
> Jan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques Bodart
> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
> rate.
>
> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>
> On 13/02/2008, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com> wrote:
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>> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
>> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
>> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
>> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
>> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
>> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> MALS-14 64E)
>> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
>> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
>> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>
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>>
>> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
>> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>> o 610 940 0420
>> c 610 324 5500
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>
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>>
>> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
>> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
>> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
>> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
> course,
>> only easier....
>>
>>
>> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
>>
>>
>> Jan Mevis
>>
>> Yak 50 RA2005K
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>>
>> o 610 940 0420
>>
>> c 610 324 5500
>>
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>>
>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
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>>
>> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> Ira,
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
>> wing tips?
>>
>> If so, why change to spads?
>>
>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>>
>> o 610 940 0420
>>
>> c 610 324 5500
>>
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>>
>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4
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>>
>>
>> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
>> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
>> in 83.
>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>> Richard Goode
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> Ira,
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on th
>> e wing tips?
>>
>> If so, why change to spads?
>>
>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
>> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>>
>> o 610 940 0420
>>
>> c 610 324 5500
>>
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>>
>>
>> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>
>>
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>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
>>
>>
>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
> a
>> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>
>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> pilo
>> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jon
>>
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>>
>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in 83.
>>
>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>
>> Richard Goode
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> Ira,
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
>> wing tips?
>>
>> If so, why change to spads?
>>
>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>>
>> o 610 940 0420
>>
>> c 610 324 5500
>>
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>>
>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>
>>
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>> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
>> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
> see
>>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
>>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
>> -)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
> aerobatic
>>
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>>
>> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
>> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>
>>
>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>> for solo and dual flight?
>>
>> John P. Graham
>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>
>>
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>>
>> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>
>>
>> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
> comfortable
>> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
> deg.
>> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
>> Doc
>> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>
>>
>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>> for solo and dual flight?
>>
>> John P. Graham
>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
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>>
>> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>>
>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>> M.D.
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
>> 83.
>>
>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>
>> Richard Goode
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>>
>> Ira,
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>
>> If so, why change to spads?
>>
>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>>
>> o 610 940 0420
>>
>> c 610 324 5500
>>
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>>
>>
>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
>> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
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>>
>>
>> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
>> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
>>
>>
>> Doc
>> You need them!
>> David H.
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
>> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
>> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
>> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by the
>> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
>> Doc
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> G
>> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>> M.D.
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
>> 83.
>>
>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>
>> Richard Goode
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>>
>> Ira,
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>
>> If so, why change to spads?
>>
>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ira Saligman
>>
>> o 610 940 0420
>>
>> c 610 324 5500
>>
>> f 215 243 7699
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 |
Jacques,
Since you are in Belgium, I suggest you have a direct conversation with Vytas at
Termikus. Take a close look at your aelirons and those of a Pits. The YAK's
ailerons are designed to give an effective aileron at low air speeds as well as
being effective in a spin (a stalled wing). They act much like a fowler flap.
A gap seal will completely take away the advantage of an effective aileron at
speeds as low as 57 mph.
At least that is my humble opinion. Along with Vytas's too.
Roger Kemp
-----Original Message-----
>From: Budd Davisson <buddairbum@cox.net>
>Sent: Jun 3, 2008 9:10 AM
>To: Yak List <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
>Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that it makes
>a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing really
>effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which the
>"curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the ailerons was
>totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed machine with
>any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
>
>bd
>
>
>On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>
>>
>> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps a few
>> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques Bodart
>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>
>>
>> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
>> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
>> rate.
>>
>> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
>> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
>> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>>
>> On 13/02/2008, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com> wrote:
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>>> Today's Message Index:
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>>>
>>> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
>>> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
>>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
>>> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
>>> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
>>> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
>>> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
>> MALS-14 64E)
>>> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
>>> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
>>> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> _____________________________________
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>>>
>>> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
>>> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ira Saligman
>>> o 610 940 0420
>>> c 610 324 5500
>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>
>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
>>> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
>>> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
>>> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
>> course,
>>> only easier....
>>>
>>>
>>> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jan Mevis
>>>
>>> Yak 50 RA2005K
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ira Saligman
>>>
>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>
>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>
>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>
>>>
>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
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>>> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>> Ira,
>>>
>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
>>> wing tips?
>>>
>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>
>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>
>>> Doc
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ira Saligman
>>>
>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>
>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>
>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>
>>>
>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
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>>>
>>> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
>>> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
>>> in 83.
>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>> Richard Goode
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>> Ira,
>>>
>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on th
>>> e wing tips?
>>>
>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>
>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>
>>> Doc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
>>> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ira Saligman
>>>
>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>
>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>
>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
>>>
>>>
>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
>> a
>>> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
>> pilo
>>> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jon
>>>
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>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>
>>> Doc
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in 83.
>>>
>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>
>>> Richard Goode
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>> Ira,
>>>
>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
>>> wing tips?
>>>
>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>
>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>
>>> Doc
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ira Saligman
>>>
>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>
>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>
>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>
>>>
>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
>>> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
>> see
>>>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
>>>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
>>> -)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
>> aerobatic
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
>>> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>
>>>
>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>
>>> John P. Graham
>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>
>>>
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>>> ________________________________ Message 9
>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>
>>>
>>> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
>> comfortable
>>> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
>> deg.
>>> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
>>> Doc
>>> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>
>>>
>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>
>>> John P. Graham
>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>
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>>>
>>> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>
>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>>> M.D.
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>
>>> Doc
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
>>> 83.
>>>
>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>
>>> Richard Goode
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ira,
>>>
>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>
>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>
>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>
>>> Doc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ira Saligman
>>>
>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>
>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>
>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
>>> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
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>>> ________________________________ Message 12
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>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
>>> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doc
>>> You need them!
>>> David H.
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 13
>> ____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
>>> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
>>> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
>>> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by the
>>> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
>>> Doc
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
>> G
>>> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>
>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>
>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>>> M.D.
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>
>>> Doc
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
>>> 83.
>>>
>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>
>>> Richard Goode
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ira,
>>>
>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>
>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>
>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>
>>> Doc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ira Saligman
>>>
>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>
>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>
>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 |
I haven't looked at a Yak's ailerons. What makes them so different? Are they
Frieze type or what?
Besides, temporarily gap sealing an aileron to see if it is effective is an
hour job. Use two pieces of wide packing tape face to face, overlapping an
inche or so. Snake it up through the gap and press it in place. Fly it, see
what the difference is and, if you don't like it, remove it. If you like it,
go for something more permanent.
Speaking as an aeronautical engineer, there are only a few aileron designs
that don't benefit from eliminating pressure loss through the gap. Those are
generally identified as being separate airfoils that are largely
disassociated from the wing and their function is to produce lift on their
own, not change the camberline (see Junkers designs), which is the case with
all "normal" ailerons. I've flown and been around most Yak models and
nothing jumped out at me as being unusual about their ailerons, but then, I
wasn't looking for it either.
Someone enlighten me on this. I'm never too old to learn something.
bd
On 6/3/08 8:43 AM, "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Jacques,
> Since you are in Belgium, I suggest you have a direct conversation with Vytas
> at Termikus. Take a close look at your aelirons and those of a Pits. The YAK's
> ailerons are designed to give an effective aileron at low air speeds as well
> as being effective in a spin (a stalled wing). They act much like a fowler
> flap. A gap seal will completely take away the advantage of an effective
> aileron at speeds as low as 57 mph.
> At least that is my humble opinion. Along with Vytas's too.
> Roger Kemp
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Budd Davisson <buddairbum@cox.net>
>> Sent: Jun 3, 2008 9:10 AM
>> To: Yak List <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>
>>
>> Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that it makes
>> a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing really
>> effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which the
>> "curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the ailerons was
>> totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed machine with
>> any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
>>
>> bd
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps a few
>>> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques Bodart
>>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
>>> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
>>> rate.
>>>
>>> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
>>> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
>>> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>>>
>>> On 13/02/2008, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com> wrote:
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>>>> Today's Message Index:
>>>> ----------------------
>>>>
>>>> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
>>>> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
>>>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
>>>> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
>>>> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
>>>> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
>>>> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
>>> MALS-14 64E)
>>>> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
>>>> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
>>>> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 1
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
>>>> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
>>>> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
>>>> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
>>>> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
>>> course,
>>>> only easier....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jan Mevis
>>>>
>>>> Yak 50 RA2005K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 3
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> Ira,
>>>>
>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
>>>> wing tips?
>>>>
>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>
>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 4
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
>>>> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
>>>> in 83.
>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>> Richard Goode
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira,
>>>>
>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on th
>>>> e wing tips?
>>>>
>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>
>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
>>>> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> p://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>>>>
>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
>>> a
>>>> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
>>> pilo
>>>> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 6
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in 83.
>>>>
>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira,
>>>>
>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
>>>> wing tips?
>>>>
>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>
>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
>>>> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
>>> see
>>>>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
>>>>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
>>>> -)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
>>> aerobatic
>>>>
>>>> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good fortune
>>> to
>>>>
>>>> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> ________________________________ Message 8
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
>>>> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>
>>>> John P. Graham
>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 9
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
>>> comfortable
>>>> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
>>> deg.
>>>> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
>>>> Doc
>>>> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>
>>>> John P. Graham
>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>>>> M.D.
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
>>>> 83.
>>>>
>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira,
>>>>
>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>
>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>
>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>> ____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
>>>> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
>>>> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>> You need them!
>>>> David H.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 13
>>> ____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
>>>> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
>>>> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
>>>> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by the
>>>> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
>>> G
>>>> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>
>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>>>> M.D.
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
>>>> 83.
>>>>
>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira,
>>>>
>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>
>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>
>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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I think indeed that the lip of the aileron protrudes somewhat in the
airstream.
But even if it is possible to gain a higher roll rate, I just wonder if it's
worth the effort. You can't turn a Yak 52 into a Sukhoi (and that goes for a
Yak 50 too).
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Budd Davisson
Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 18:07
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
I haven't looked at a Yak's ailerons. What makes them so different? Are they
Frieze type or what?
Besides, temporarily gap sealing an aileron to see if it is effective is an
hour job. Use two pieces of wide packing tape face to face, overlapping an
inche or so. Snake it up through the gap and press it in place. Fly it, see
what the difference is and, if you don't like it, remove it. If you like it,
go for something more permanent.
Speaking as an aeronautical engineer, there are only a few aileron designs
that don't benefit from eliminating pressure loss through the gap. Those are
generally identified as being separate airfoils that are largely
disassociated from the wing and their function is to produce lift on their
own, not change the camberline (see Junkers designs), which is the case with
all "normal" ailerons. I've flown and been around most Yak models and
nothing jumped out at me as being unusual about their ailerons, but then, I
wasn't looking for it either.
Someone enlighten me on this. I'm never too old to learn something.
bd
On 6/3/08 8:43 AM, "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Jacques,
> Since you are in Belgium, I suggest you have a direct conversation with
Vytas
> at Termikus. Take a close look at your aelirons and those of a Pits. The
YAK's
> ailerons are designed to give an effective aileron at low air speeds as
well
> as being effective in a spin (a stalled wing). They act much like a fowler
> flap. A gap seal will completely take away the advantage of an effective
> aileron at speeds as low as 57 mph.
> At least that is my humble opinion. Along with Vytas's too.
> Roger Kemp
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Budd Davisson <buddairbum@cox.net>
>> Sent: Jun 3, 2008 9:10 AM
>> To: Yak List <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>
>>
>> Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that it
makes
>> a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing
really
>> effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which the
>> "curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the ailerons
was
>> totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed machine
with
>> any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
>>
>> bd
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps a
few
>>> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques Bodart
>>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>
<jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
>>> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
>>> rate.
>>>
>>> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
>>> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
>>> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>>>
>>> On 13/02/2008, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com> wrote:
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>>>> Today's Message Index:
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>>>>
>>>> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
>>>> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
>>>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
>>>> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
>>>> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
>>>> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
>>>> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
>>> MALS-14 64E)
>>>> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
>>>> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
>>>> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 1
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
>>>> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
>>>> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the
ailerons,
>>>> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
>>>> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
>>> course,
>>>> only easier....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jan Mevis
>>>>
>>>> Yak 50 RA2005K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 3
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> Ira,
>>>>
>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
the
>>>> wing tips?
>>>>
>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>
>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 4
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
>>>> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came
out
>>>> in 83.
>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>> Richard Goode
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira,
>>>>
>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
th
>>>> e wing tips?
>>>>
>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>
>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
>>>> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
see
>>> a
>>>> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
>>> pilo
>>>> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 6
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
83.
>>>>
>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira,
>>>>
>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
the
>>>> wing tips?
>>>>
>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>
>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
>>>> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
>>> see
>>>>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
>>>>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
>>>> -)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
>>> aerobatic
>>>>
>>>> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good
fortune
>>> to
>>>>
>>>> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 8
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
>>>> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>
>>>> John P. Graham
>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 9
>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
>>> comfortable
>>>> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
>>> deg.
>>>> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
>>>> Doc
>>>> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>
>>>> John P. Graham
>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
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>>>> ________________________________ Message 10
>>> ____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
Mine
>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>>>> M.D.
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
>>>> 83.
>>>>
>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira,
>>>>
>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>
>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>
>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> ics.com
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
>>>> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
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>>> ____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
>>>> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>> You need them!
>>>> David H.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 13
>>> ____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were
called!
>>>> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
>>>> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She
rolls
>>>> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by
the
>>>> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
Mark
>>> G
>>>> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>
>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
Mine
>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>>>> M.D.
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
>>>> 83.
>>>>
>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira,
>>>>
>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>
>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>
>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>
>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>
>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>
>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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You may be describing a Frieze aileron, which is what I assumed they have.
Maybe not. If so, it is designed so the nose of the up aileron sticks down
into the wind to generate more drag and limit adverse yaw. There is the
mistaken thought that air is meant to flow over the top of the aileron
through the gap as if it is a slotted surface similar to a Fowler flap. That
is not the case. The tighter the gap (or if it's sealed), the more effective
it will be.
Does the nose stick down when the trailing edge is faired?
bd
On 6/3/08 12:02 PM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>
> I think indeed that the lip of the aileron protrudes somewhat in the
> airstream.
> But even if it is possible to gain a higher roll rate, I just wonder if it's
> worth the effort. You can't turn a Yak 52 into a Sukhoi (and that goes for a
> Yak 50 too).
>
> Jan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Budd Davisson
> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 18:07
> To: Yak List
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> I haven't looked at a Yak's ailerons. What makes them so different? Are they
> Frieze type or what?
>
> Besides, temporarily gap sealing an aileron to see if it is effective is an
> hour job. Use two pieces of wide packing tape face to face, overlapping an
> inche or so. Snake it up through the gap and press it in place. Fly it, see
> what the difference is and, if you don't like it, remove it. If you like it,
> go for something more permanent.
>
> Speaking as an aeronautical engineer, there are only a few aileron designs
> that don't benefit from eliminating pressure loss through the gap. Those are
> generally identified as being separate airfoils that are largely
> disassociated from the wing and their function is to produce lift on their
> own, not change the camberline (see Junkers designs), which is the case with
> all "normal" ailerons. I've flown and been around most Yak models and
> nothing jumped out at me as being unusual about their ailerons, but then, I
> wasn't looking for it either.
>
> Someone enlighten me on this. I'm never too old to learn something.
>
> bd
>
>
> On 6/3/08 8:43 AM, "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Jacques,
>> Since you are in Belgium, I suggest you have a direct conversation with
> Vytas
>> at Termikus. Take a close look at your aelirons and those of a Pits. The
> YAK's
>> ailerons are designed to give an effective aileron at low air speeds as
> well
>> as being effective in a spin (a stalled wing). They act much like a fowler
>> flap. A gap seal will completely take away the advantage of an effective
>> aileron at speeds as low as 57 mph.
>> At least that is my humble opinion. Along with Vytas's too.
>> Roger Kemp
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Budd Davisson <buddairbum@cox.net>
>>> Sent: Jun 3, 2008 9:10 AM
>>> To: Yak List <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>
>>>
>>> Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that it
> makes
>>> a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing
> really
>>> effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which the
>>> "curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the ailerons
> was
>>> totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed machine
> with
>>> any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
>>>
>>> bd
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps a
> few
>>>> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques Bodart
>>>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>
> <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
>>>> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
>>>> rate.
>>>>
>>>> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
>>>> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
>>>> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks
>>>>
>>>> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>>>>
>>>> On 13/02/2008, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com> wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
>>>>> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
>>>>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
>>>>> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
>>>>> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
>>>>> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
>>>>> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
>>>> MALS-14 64E)
>>>>> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
>>>>> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
>>>>> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
>>>>> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
>>>>> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the
> ailerons,
>>>>> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
>>>>> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
>>>> course,
>>>>> only easier....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan Mevis
>>>>>
>>>>> Yak 50 RA2005K
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>
>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>
>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>
>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________ Message 3
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>
>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
> the
>>>>> wing tips?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>
>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>
>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>
>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________ Message 4
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
>>>>> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came
> out
>>>>> in 83.
>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>
>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
> th
>>>>> e wing tips?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
>>>>> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>
>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>
>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>
>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
>>>>> p://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> ________________________________ Message 5
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>>> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
> see
>>>> a
>>>>> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
>>>> pilo
>>>>> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________ Message 6
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> 83.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>
>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
> the
>>>>> wing tips?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>
>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>
>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>
>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>> ics.com
>>>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
>>>>> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
>>>> see
>>>>>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
>>>>>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
>>>>> -)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
>>>> aerobatic
>>>>>
>>>>> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good
> fortune
>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **************
>>>>> The year's
>>>>> hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL
> Music.
>>>>>
>>>>> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________ Message 8
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
>>>>> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>>
>>>>> John P. Graham
>>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________ Message 9
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
>>>> comfortable
>>>>> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
>>>> deg.
>>>>> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
>>>>> Doc
>>>>> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>>
>>>>> John P. Graham
>>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________ Message 10
>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
> Mine
>>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>>>>> M.D.
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
>>>>> 83.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>
>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>
>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>
>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>
>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>> ics.com
>>>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ate: 2/11/2008 5:28 PM
>>>>>
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>>>>> ________________________________ Message 11
>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
>>>>> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>
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>>>>> ________________________________ Message 12
>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
>>>>> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Doc
>>>>> You need them!
>>>>> David H.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________ Message 13
>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were
> called!
>>>>> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
>>>>> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She
> rolls
>>>>> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by
> the
>>>>> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
>>>>> Doc
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
> Mark
>>>> G
>>>>> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
> Mine
>>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>>>>> M.D.
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
>>>>> 83.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>
>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>
>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>
>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>
>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 |
Yes, the nose or leading edge of the aileron does stick down below the
bottom surface of the wing. At high angles of attack, the air does flow
through the gap giving the aileron effectiveness.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Budd Davisson" <buddairbum@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
> You may be describing a Frieze aileron, which is what I assumed they have.
> Maybe not. If so, it is designed so the nose of the up aileron sticks down
> into the wind to generate more drag and limit adverse yaw. There is the
> mistaken thought that air is meant to flow over the top of the aileron
> through the gap as if it is a slotted surface similar to a Fowler flap.
> That
> is not the case. The tighter the gap (or if it's sealed), the more
> effective
> it will be.
>
> Does the nose stick down when the trailing edge is faired?
>
> bd
>
>
> On 6/3/08 12:02 PM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think indeed that the lip of the aileron protrudes somewhat in the
>> airstream.
>> But even if it is possible to gain a higher roll rate, I just wonder if
>> it's
>> worth the effort. You can't turn a Yak 52 into a Sukhoi (and that goes
>> for a
>> Yak 50 too).
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Budd Davisson
>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 18:07
>> To: Yak List
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>
>>
>> I haven't looked at a Yak's ailerons. What makes them so different? Are
>> they
>> Frieze type or what?
>>
>> Besides, temporarily gap sealing an aileron to see if it is effective is
>> an
>> hour job. Use two pieces of wide packing tape face to face, overlapping
>> an
>> inche or so. Snake it up through the gap and press it in place. Fly it,
>> see
>> what the difference is and, if you don't like it, remove it. If you like
>> it,
>> go for something more permanent.
>>
>> Speaking as an aeronautical engineer, there are only a few aileron
>> designs
>> that don't benefit from eliminating pressure loss through the gap. Those
>> are
>> generally identified as being separate airfoils that are largely
>> disassociated from the wing and their function is to produce lift on
>> their
>> own, not change the camberline (see Junkers designs), which is the case
>> with
>> all "normal" ailerons. I've flown and been around most Yak models and
>> nothing jumped out at me as being unusual about their ailerons, but then,
>> I
>> wasn't looking for it either.
>>
>> Someone enlighten me on this. I'm never too old to learn something.
>>
>> bd
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/08 8:43 AM, "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Jacques,
>>> Since you are in Belgium, I suggest you have a direct conversation with
>> Vytas
>>> at Termikus. Take a close look at your aelirons and those of a Pits. The
>> YAK's
>>> ailerons are designed to give an effective aileron at low air speeds as
>> well
>>> as being effective in a spin (a stalled wing). They act much like a
>>> fowler
>>> flap. A gap seal will completely take away the advantage of an effective
>>> aileron at speeds as low as 57 mph.
>>> At least that is my humble opinion. Along with Vytas's too.
>>> Roger Kemp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Budd Davisson <buddairbum@cox.net>
>>>> Sent: Jun 3, 2008 9:10 AM
>>>> To: Yak List <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that it
>> makes
>>>> a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing
>> really
>>>> effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which
>>>> the
>>>> "curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the ailerons
>> was
>>>> totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed machine
>> with
>>>> any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
>>>>
>>>> bd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps
>>>>> a
>> few
>>>>> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques
>>>>> Bodart
>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>>
>> <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
>>>>> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
>>>>> rate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
>>>>> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
>>>>> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13/02/2008, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> Today's Message Index:
>>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
>>>>>> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
>>>>>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
>>>>>> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
>>>>>> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
>>>>>> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
>>>>>> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
>>>>>> Point,
>>>>> MALS-14 64E)
>>>>>> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
>>>>>> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
>>>>>> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 1
>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
>>>>>> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
>>>>>> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the
>> ailerons,
>>>>>> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
>>>>> course,
>>>>>> only easier....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly
>>>>>> modification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan Mevis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yak 50 RA2005K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>
>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>
>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 3
>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels
>>>>>> on
>> the
>>>>>> wing tips?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>
>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>
>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 4
>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
>>>>>> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which
>>>>>> came
>> out
>>>>>> in 83.
>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels
>>>>>> on
>> th
>>>>>> e wing tips?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
>>>>>> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>
>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>
>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
>>>>>> p://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 5
>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>>>> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
>> see
>>>>> a
>>>>>> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see"
>>>>>> for
>>>>> pilo
>>>>>> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 6
>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
>>>>>> in
>> 83.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels
>>>>>> on
>> the
>>>>>> wing tips?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>
>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>
>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>> ics.com
>>>>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 7
>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
>>>>>> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April
>>>>>>> to
>>>>> see
>>>>>>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see"
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.-
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>> -)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
>>>>> aerobatic
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good
>> fortune
>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **************
>>>>>> The year's
>>>>>> hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL
>> Music.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 8
>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
>>>>>> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John P. Graham
>>>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 9
>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
>>>>> comfortable
>>>>>> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about
>>>>>> 10
>>>>> deg.
>>>>>> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John P. Graham
>>>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>>>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 10
>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>>>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
>> Mine
>>>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>>>>>> M.D.
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> 83.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>
>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>
>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>> ics.com
>>>>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
>>>>>> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 12
>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
>>>>>> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>> You need them!
>>>>>> David H.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 13
>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were
>> called!
>>>>>> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them
>>>>>> either.
>>>>>> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She
>> rolls
>>>>>> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed
>>>>>> by
>> the
>>>>>> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
>> Mark
>>>>> G
>>>>>> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
>> Mine
>>>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>>>>>> M.D.
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> 83.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>
>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>
>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>
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If that's the case, then, you're right, sealing them would be counter
productive. That kind of aileron design is seen very seldom because it's
only advantage is at high AOA (and may not actually work that well there)
and it is a very high drag design. On the other hand, the -52 didn't have
"low-drag" anywhere in its design criteria, did it?
As I'm thinking about this, I still think someone should try gap sealing
because there's a high possibility we're reading this wrong: an aileron set
up like this, although high drag, would really control adverse yaw well
because the parasite drag would change the instant the aileron is even
slightly deflected. As the nose continues down on the inboard aileron, its
drag skyrockets, while the drag on the outboard aileron drops noticeably
because the nose is retracted into the wing. Although high drag in level
flight, this would be a clever way to minimize adverse yaw and keep from
using differential ailerons for the same purpose. Any flow through the gap
would disrupt airflow and slow the roll rate, not increase it.
If I owned a -52, I'd have gap seals on it this afternoon to find out.
bd
On 6/3/08 12:53 PM, "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Yes, the nose or leading edge of the aileron does stick down below the
> bottom surface of the wing. At high angles of attack, the air does flow
> through the gap giving the aileron effectiveness.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Budd Davisson" <buddairbum@cox.net>
> To: "Yak List" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
>>
>> You may be describing a Frieze aileron, which is what I assumed they have.
>> Maybe not. If so, it is designed so the nose of the up aileron sticks down
>> into the wind to generate more drag and limit adverse yaw. There is the
>> mistaken thought that air is meant to flow over the top of the aileron
>> through the gap as if it is a slotted surface similar to a Fowler flap.
>> That
>> is not the case. The tighter the gap (or if it's sealed), the more
>> effective
>> it will be.
>>
>> Does the nose stick down when the trailing edge is faired?
>>
>> bd
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/08 12:02 PM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think indeed that the lip of the aileron protrudes somewhat in the
>>> airstream.
>>> But even if it is possible to gain a higher roll rate, I just wonder if
>>> it's
>>> worth the effort. You can't turn a Yak 52 into a Sukhoi (and that goes
>>> for a
>>> Yak 50 too).
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Budd Davisson
>>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 18:07
>>> To: Yak List
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>
>>>
>>> I haven't looked at a Yak's ailerons. What makes them so different? Are
>>> they
>>> Frieze type or what?
>>>
>>> Besides, temporarily gap sealing an aileron to see if it is effective is
>>> an
>>> hour job. Use two pieces of wide packing tape face to face, overlapping
>>> an
>>> inche or so. Snake it up through the gap and press it in place. Fly it,
>>> see
>>> what the difference is and, if you don't like it, remove it. If you like
>>> it,
>>> go for something more permanent.
>>>
>>> Speaking as an aeronautical engineer, there are only a few aileron
>>> designs
>>> that don't benefit from eliminating pressure loss through the gap. Those
>>> are
>>> generally identified as being separate airfoils that are largely
>>> disassociated from the wing and their function is to produce lift on
>>> their
>>> own, not change the camberline (see Junkers designs), which is the case
>>> with
>>> all "normal" ailerons. I've flown and been around most Yak models and
>>> nothing jumped out at me as being unusual about their ailerons, but then,
>>> I
>>> wasn't looking for it either.
>>>
>>> Someone enlighten me on this. I'm never too old to learn something.
>>>
>>> bd
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/3/08 8:43 AM, "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jacques,
>>>> Since you are in Belgium, I suggest you have a direct conversation with
>>> Vytas
>>>> at Termikus. Take a close look at your aelirons and those of a Pits. The
>>> YAK's
>>>> ailerons are designed to give an effective aileron at low air speeds as
>>> well
>>>> as being effective in a spin (a stalled wing). They act much like a
>>>> fowler
>>>> flap. A gap seal will completely take away the advantage of an effective
>>>> aileron at speeds as low as 57 mph.
>>>> At least that is my humble opinion. Along with Vytas's too.
>>>> Roger Kemp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Budd Davisson <buddairbum@cox.net>
>>>>> Sent: Jun 3, 2008 9:10 AM
>>>>> To: Yak List <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that it
>>> makes
>>>>> a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing
>>> really
>>>>> effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which
>>>>> the
>>>>> "curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the ailerons
>>> was
>>>>> totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed machine
>>> with
>>>>> any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
>>>>>
>>>>> bd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps
>>>>>> a
>>> few
>>>>>> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques
>>>>>> Bodart
>>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>>>
>>> <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
>>>>>> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
>>>>>> rate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
>>>>>> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
>>>>>> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
>>>>>>> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
>>>>>>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
>>>>>>> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
>>>>>>> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
>>>>>>> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
>>>>>>> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
>>>>>>> Point,
>>>>>> MALS-14 64E)
>>>>>>> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
>>>>>>> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
>>>>>>> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 1
>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
>>>>>>> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
>>>>>>> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the
>>> ailerons,
>>>>>>> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>> only easier....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly
>>>>>>> modification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan Mevis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yak 50 RA2005K
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 3
>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels
>>>>>>> on
>>> the
>>>>>>> wing tips?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 4
>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
>>>>>>> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which
>>>>>>> came
>>> out
>>>>>>> in 83.
>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels
>>>>>>> on
>>> th
>>>>>>> e wing tips?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
>>>>>>> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
>>>>>>> p://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 5
>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>>>>> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
>>> see
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see"
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>> pilo
>>>>>>> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 6
>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
>>>>>>> in
>>> 83.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels
>>>>>>> on
>>> the
>>>>>>> wing tips?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> ics.com
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
>>>>>>> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see"
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.-
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> -)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
>>>>>> aerobatic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good
>>> fortune
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **************
>>>>>>> The year's
>>>>>>> hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 8
>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
>>>>>>> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John P. Graham
>>>>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>>>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 9
>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
>>>>>> comfortable
>>>>>>> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about
>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>> deg.
>>>>>>> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John P. Graham
>>>>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>>>>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 10
>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>>>>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
>>> Mine
>>>>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>>>>>>> M.D.
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> 83.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
>>>>>>> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
>>>>>>> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>> You need them!
>>>>>>> David H.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 13
>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were
>>> called!
>>>>>>> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them
>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She
>>> rolls
>>>>>>> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed
>>>>>>> by
>>> the
>>>>>>> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
>>> Mark
>>>>>> G
>>>>>>> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
>>> Mine
>>>>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>>>>>>> M.D.
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> 83.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Nope! Sure didn't ("low-drag" anywhere in its design criteria")
----- Original Message -----
From: "Budd Davisson" <buddairbum@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
> If that's the case, then, you're right, sealing them would be counter
> productive. That kind of aileron design is seen very seldom because it's
> only advantage is at high AOA (and may not actually work that well there)
> and it is a very high drag design. On the other hand, the -52 didn't have
> "low-drag" anywhere in its design criteria, did it?
>
> As I'm thinking about this, I still think someone should try gap sealing
> because there's a high possibility we're reading this wrong: an aileron
> set
> up like this, although high drag, would really control adverse yaw well
> because the parasite drag would change the instant the aileron is even
> slightly deflected. As the nose continues down on the inboard aileron, its
> drag skyrockets, while the drag on the outboard aileron drops noticeably
> because the nose is retracted into the wing. Although high drag in level
> flight, this would be a clever way to minimize adverse yaw and keep from
> using differential ailerons for the same purpose. Any flow through the gap
> would disrupt airflow and slow the roll rate, not increase it.
>
> If I owned a -52, I'd have gap seals on it this afternoon to find out.
>
> bd
>
>
> On 6/3/08 12:53 PM, "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Yes, the nose or leading edge of the aileron does stick down below the
>> bottom surface of the wing. At high angles of attack, the air does flow
>> through the gap giving the aileron effectiveness.
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Budd Davisson" <buddairbum@cox.net>
>> To: "Yak List" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>
>>
>>>
>>> You may be describing a Frieze aileron, which is what I assumed they
>>> have.
>>> Maybe not. If so, it is designed so the nose of the up aileron sticks
>>> down
>>> into the wind to generate more drag and limit adverse yaw. There is the
>>> mistaken thought that air is meant to flow over the top of the aileron
>>> through the gap as if it is a slotted surface similar to a Fowler flap.
>>> That
>>> is not the case. The tighter the gap (or if it's sealed), the more
>>> effective
>>> it will be.
>>>
>>> Does the nose stick down when the trailing edge is faired?
>>>
>>> bd
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/3/08 12:02 PM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think indeed that the lip of the aileron protrudes somewhat in the
>>>> airstream.
>>>> But even if it is possible to gain a higher roll rate, I just wonder if
>>>> it's
>>>> worth the effort. You can't turn a Yak 52 into a Sukhoi (and that goes
>>>> for a
>>>> Yak 50 too).
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Budd Davisson
>>>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 18:07
>>>> To: Yak List
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I haven't looked at a Yak's ailerons. What makes them so different? Are
>>>> they
>>>> Frieze type or what?
>>>>
>>>> Besides, temporarily gap sealing an aileron to see if it is effective
>>>> is
>>>> an
>>>> hour job. Use two pieces of wide packing tape face to face, overlapping
>>>> an
>>>> inche or so. Snake it up through the gap and press it in place. Fly it,
>>>> see
>>>> what the difference is and, if you don't like it, remove it. If you
>>>> like
>>>> it,
>>>> go for something more permanent.
>>>>
>>>> Speaking as an aeronautical engineer, there are only a few aileron
>>>> designs
>>>> that don't benefit from eliminating pressure loss through the gap.
>>>> Those
>>>> are
>>>> generally identified as being separate airfoils that are largely
>>>> disassociated from the wing and their function is to produce lift on
>>>> their
>>>> own, not change the camberline (see Junkers designs), which is the case
>>>> with
>>>> all "normal" ailerons. I've flown and been around most Yak models and
>>>> nothing jumped out at me as being unusual about their ailerons, but
>>>> then,
>>>> I
>>>> wasn't looking for it either.
>>>>
>>>> Someone enlighten me on this. I'm never too old to learn something.
>>>>
>>>> bd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/3/08 8:43 AM, "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques,
>>>>> Since you are in Belgium, I suggest you have a direct conversation
>>>>> with
>>>> Vytas
>>>>> at Termikus. Take a close look at your aelirons and those of a Pits.
>>>>> The
>>>> YAK's
>>>>> ailerons are designed to give an effective aileron at low air speeds
>>>>> as
>>>> well
>>>>> as being effective in a spin (a stalled wing). They act much like a
>>>>> fowler
>>>>> flap. A gap seal will completely take away the advantage of an
>>>>> effective
>>>>> aileron at speeds as low as 57 mph.
>>>>> At least that is my humble opinion. Along with Vytas's too.
>>>>> Roger Kemp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Budd Davisson <buddairbum@cox.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Jun 3, 2008 9:10 AM
>>>>>> To: Yak List <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that
>>>>>> it
>>>> makes
>>>>>> a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing
>>>> really
>>>>>> effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> "curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the
>>>>>> ailerons
>>>> was
>>>>>> totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed
>>>>>> machine
>>>> with
>>>>>> any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference.
>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>> a
>>>> few
>>>>>>> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques
>>>>>>> Bodart
>>>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>>>>
>>>> <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
>>>>>>> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the
>>>>>>> roll
>>>>>>> rate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
>>>>>>> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
>>>>>>>> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
>>>>>>>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>>> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
>>>>>>>> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
>>>>>>>> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>>> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
>>>>>>>> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
>>>>>>>> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>>> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
>>>>>>>> Point,
>>>>>>> MALS-14 64E)
>>>>>>>> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
>>>>>>>> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
>>>>>>>> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 1
>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
>>>>>>>> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
>>>>>>>> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the
>>>> ailerons,
>>>>>>>> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent.
>>>>>>>> Although
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>> only easier....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly
>>>>>>>> modification.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jan Mevis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yak 50 RA2005K
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 3
>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
>>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels
>>>>>>>> on
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> wing tips?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 4
>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
>>>>>>>> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which
>>>>>>>> came
>>>> out
>>>>>>>> in 83.
>>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>>> Shovels
>>>>>>>> on
>>>> th
>>>>>>>> e wing tips?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
>>>>>>>> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> p://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>>>>>> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April
>>>>>>>> to
>>>> see
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see"
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> pilo
>>>>>>>> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.
>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 6
>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
>>>>>>>> in
>>>> 83.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels
>>>>>>>> on
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> wing tips?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
>>>>>>>> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see"
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the
>>>>>>>>> list.-
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>> -)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
>>>>>>> aerobatic
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good
>>>> fortune
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **************
>>>>>>>> The year's
>>>>>>>> hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL
>>>> Music.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 8
>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
>>>>>>>> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>>>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John P. Graham
>>>>>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>>>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>>>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>>>>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 9
>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
>>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
>>>>>>> comfortable
>>>>>>>> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about
>>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>> deg.
>>>>>>>> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>>>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John P. Graham
>>>>>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>>>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>>>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>>>>>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 10
>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>>>>>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>>>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
>>>> Mine
>>>>>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>>>>>>>> Kemp
>>>>>>>> M.D.
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> 83.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>> ics.com
>>>>>>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
>>>>>>>> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
>>>>>>>> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>> You need them!
>>>>>>>> David H.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 13
>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
>>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were
>>>> called!
>>>>>>>> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them
>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She
>>>> rolls
>>>>>>>> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed
>>>>>>>> by
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Bitterlich,
>>>> Mark
>>>>>>> G
>>>>>>>> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>>>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
>>>> Mine
>>>>>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>>>>>>>> Kemp
>>>>>>>> M.D.
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> 83.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 |
I will climb out on my usual limb here and suggest that the Yak 52 aileron
is the same as the CJ though the truth is I don't know.
The CJ aileron is a very standard Frieze balanced, differential throw system
that works to minimize adverse yaw exactly as Budd has described. The gap in
the Frieze design is kept to the minimum practical for safe clearance. The
system is exactly the same as the Harvard/T6 and many other aircraft. Gap
sealing would be somewhat difficult, maybe not a good idea and, I think,
would be of little value.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Nope! Sure didn't ("low-drag" anywhere in its design criteria")
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Budd Davisson" <buddairbum@cox.net>
> To: "Yak List" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
>>
>> If that's the case, then, you're right, sealing them would be counter
>> productive. That kind of aileron design is seen very seldom because it's
>> only advantage is at high AOA (and may not actually work that well there)
>> and it is a very high drag design. On the other hand, the -52 didn't have
>> "low-drag" anywhere in its design criteria, did it?
>>
>> As I'm thinking about this, I still think someone should try gap sealing
>> because there's a high possibility we're reading this wrong: an aileron
>> set
>> up like this, although high drag, would really control adverse yaw well
>> because the parasite drag would change the instant the aileron is even
>> slightly deflected. As the nose continues down on the inboard aileron,
>> its
>> drag skyrockets, while the drag on the outboard aileron drops noticeably
>> because the nose is retracted into the wing. Although high drag in level
>> flight, this would be a clever way to minimize adverse yaw and keep from
>> using differential ailerons for the same purpose. Any flow through the
>> gap
>> would disrupt airflow and slow the roll rate, not increase it.
>>
>> If I owned a -52, I'd have gap seals on it this afternoon to find out.
>>
>> bd
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/08 12:53 PM, "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>> Yes, the nose or leading edge of the aileron does stick down below the
>>> bottom surface of the wing. At high angles of attack, the air does flow
>>> through the gap giving the aileron effectiveness.
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Budd Davisson" <buddairbum@cox.net>
>>> To: "Yak List" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You may be describing a Frieze aileron, which is what I assumed they
>>>> have.
>>>> Maybe not. If so, it is designed so the nose of the up aileron sticks
>>>> down
>>>> into the wind to generate more drag and limit adverse yaw. There is the
>>>> mistaken thought that air is meant to flow over the top of the aileron
>>>> through the gap as if it is a slotted surface similar to a Fowler flap.
>>>> That
>>>> is not the case. The tighter the gap (or if it's sealed), the more
>>>> effective
>>>> it will be.
>>>>
>>>> Does the nose stick down when the trailing edge is faired?
>>>>
>>>> bd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/3/08 12:02 PM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think indeed that the lip of the aileron protrudes somewhat in the
>>>>> airstream.
>>>>> But even if it is possible to gain a higher roll rate, I just wonder
>>>>> if
>>>>> it's
>>>>> worth the effort. You can't turn a Yak 52 into a Sukhoi (and that goes
>>>>> for a
>>>>> Yak 50 too).
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Budd
>>>>> Davisson
>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 18:07
>>>>> To: Yak List
>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't looked at a Yak's ailerons. What makes them so different?
>>>>> Are
>>>>> they
>>>>> Frieze type or what?
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, temporarily gap sealing an aileron to see if it is effective
>>>>> is
>>>>> an
>>>>> hour job. Use two pieces of wide packing tape face to face,
>>>>> overlapping
>>>>> an
>>>>> inche or so. Snake it up through the gap and press it in place. Fly
>>>>> it,
>>>>> see
>>>>> what the difference is and, if you don't like it, remove it. If you
>>>>> like
>>>>> it,
>>>>> go for something more permanent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking as an aeronautical engineer, there are only a few aileron
>>>>> designs
>>>>> that don't benefit from eliminating pressure loss through the gap.
>>>>> Those
>>>>> are
>>>>> generally identified as being separate airfoils that are largely
>>>>> disassociated from the wing and their function is to produce lift on
>>>>> their
>>>>> own, not change the camberline (see Junkers designs), which is the
>>>>> case
>>>>> with
>>>>> all "normal" ailerons. I've flown and been around most Yak models and
>>>>> nothing jumped out at me as being unusual about their ailerons, but
>>>>> then,
>>>>> I
>>>>> wasn't looking for it either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone enlighten me on this. I'm never too old to learn something.
>>>>>
>>>>> bd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/3/08 8:43 AM, "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques,
>>>>>> Since you are in Belgium, I suggest you have a direct conversation
>>>>>> with
>>>>> Vytas
>>>>>> at Termikus. Take a close look at your aelirons and those of a Pits.
>>>>>> The
>>>>> YAK's
>>>>>> ailerons are designed to give an effective aileron at low air speeds
>>>>>> as
>>>>> well
>>>>>> as being effective in a spin (a stalled wing). They act much like a
>>>>>> fowler
>>>>>> flap. A gap seal will completely take away the advantage of an
>>>>>> effective
>>>>>> aileron at speeds as low as 57 mph.
>>>>>> At least that is my humble opinion. Along with Vytas's too.
>>>>>> Roger Kemp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Budd Davisson <buddairbum@cox.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Jun 3, 2008 9:10 AM
>>>>>>> To: Yak List <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that
>>>>>>> it
>>>>> makes
>>>>>>> a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing
>>>>> really
>>>>>>> effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> "curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the
>>>>>>> ailerons
>>>>> was
>>>>>>> totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed
>>>>>>> machine
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference.
>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>> few
>>>>>>>> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques
>>>>>>>> Bodart
>>>>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the
>>>>>>>> roll
>>>>>>>> rate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
>>>>>>>> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2008, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> Today's Message Index:
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
>>>>>>>>> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
>>>>>>>>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>>>> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
>>>>>>>>> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
>>>>>>>>> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>>>> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
>>>>>>>>> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
>>>>>>>>> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>>>> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
>>>>>>>>> Point,
>>>>>>>> MALS-14 64E)
>>>>>>>>> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
>>>>>>>>> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
>>>>>>>>> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 1
>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the
>>>>> ailerons,
>>>>>>>>> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent.
>>>>>>>>> Although
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster,
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>> only easier....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly
>>>>>>>>> modification.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jan Mevis
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yak 50 RA2005K
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 3
>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>>>> Shovels
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> wing tips?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 4
>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which
>>>>>>>>> came
>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> in 83.
>>>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
>>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>>>> Shovels
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>> th
>>>>>>>>> e wing tips?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
>>>>>>>>> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
>>>>>>>>> p://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 5
>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see"
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> pilo
>>>>>>>>> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.
>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 6
>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> 83.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>>>> Shovels
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> wing tips?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>>> ics.com
>>>>>>>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _____
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 7
>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late
>>>>>>>>>> April
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must
>>>>>>>>>> see"
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the
>>>>>>>>>> list.-
>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>> -)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
>>>>>>>> aerobatic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good
>>>>> fortune
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **************
>>>>>>>>> The year's
>>>>>>>>> hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL
>>>>> Music.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 8
>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>>>>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John P. Graham
>>>>>>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>>>>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>>>>>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 9
>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
>>>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
>>>>>>>> comfortable
>>>>>>>>> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>>> deg.
>>>>>>>>> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>>>>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John P. Graham
>>>>>>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>>>>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>>>>>>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 10
>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>>>>>>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>>>>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
>>>>> Mine
>>>>>>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>>>>>>>>> Kemp
>>>>>>>>> M.D.
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> 83.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>>> ics.com
>>>>>>>>> .matronics.com/contribution
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>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
>>>>>>>>> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 12
>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
>>>>>>>>> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>> You need them!
>>>>>>>>> David H.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 13
>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
>>>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were
>>>>> called!
>>>>>>>>> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them
>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She
>>>>> rolls
>>>>>>>>> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been
>>>>>>>>> overwhelmed
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> Bitterlich,
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>> G
>>>>>>>>> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>>>>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
>>>>> Mine
>>>>>>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>>>>>>>>> Kemp
>>>>>>>>> M.D.
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> 83.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 |
Until the S-1T and late S-2A Pitts, they all had Frieze ailerons and we
routinely gap sealed them. Boosted the roll rate a solid 25% (that's a
guess) or more. And it's not as hard as it appears.
However, if as someone said, when the trailing edge of Yak aileron is faired
with the flaps and the tips, the nose is protruding below the wing, we don't
have a Frieze aileron. We have some sort of hybrid.
bd
On 6/3/08 5:36 PM, "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@persona.ca> wrote:
>
> I will climb out on my usual limb here and suggest that the Yak 52 aileron
> is the same as the CJ though the truth is I don't know.
>
> The CJ aileron is a very standard Frieze balanced, differential throw system
> that works to minimize adverse yaw exactly as Budd has described. The gap in
> the Frieze design is kept to the minimum practical for safe clearance. The
> system is exactly the same as the Harvard/T6 and many other aircraft. Gap
> sealing would be somewhat difficult, maybe not a good idea and, I think,
> would be of little value.
>
> Walt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Nope! Sure didn't ("low-drag" anywhere in its design criteria")
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Budd Davisson" <buddairbum@cox.net>
>> To: "Yak List" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 3:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If that's the case, then, you're right, sealing them would be counter
>>> productive. That kind of aileron design is seen very seldom because it's
>>> only advantage is at high AOA (and may not actually work that well there)
>>> and it is a very high drag design. On the other hand, the -52 didn't have
>>> "low-drag" anywhere in its design criteria, did it?
>>>
>>> As I'm thinking about this, I still think someone should try gap sealing
>>> because there's a high possibility we're reading this wrong: an aileron
>>> set
>>> up like this, although high drag, would really control adverse yaw well
>>> because the parasite drag would change the instant the aileron is even
>>> slightly deflected. As the nose continues down on the inboard aileron,
>>> its
>>> drag skyrockets, while the drag on the outboard aileron drops noticeably
>>> because the nose is retracted into the wing. Although high drag in level
>>> flight, this would be a clever way to minimize adverse yaw and keep from
>>> using differential ailerons for the same purpose. Any flow through the
>>> gap
>>> would disrupt airflow and slow the roll rate, not increase it.
>>>
>>> If I owned a -52, I'd have gap seals on it this afternoon to find out.
>>>
>>> bd
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/3/08 12:53 PM, "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the nose or leading edge of the aileron does stick down below the
>>>> bottom surface of the wing. At high angles of attack, the air does flow
>>>> through the gap giving the aileron effectiveness.
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Budd Davisson" <buddairbum@cox.net>
>>>> To: "Yak List" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You may be describing a Frieze aileron, which is what I assumed they
>>>>> have.
>>>>> Maybe not. If so, it is designed so the nose of the up aileron sticks
>>>>> down
>>>>> into the wind to generate more drag and limit adverse yaw. There is the
>>>>> mistaken thought that air is meant to flow over the top of the aileron
>>>>> through the gap as if it is a slotted surface similar to a Fowler flap.
>>>>> That
>>>>> is not the case. The tighter the gap (or if it's sealed), the more
>>>>> effective
>>>>> it will be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the nose stick down when the trailing edge is faired?
>>>>>
>>>>> bd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/3/08 12:02 PM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think indeed that the lip of the aileron protrudes somewhat in the
>>>>>> airstream.
>>>>>> But even if it is possible to gain a higher roll rate, I just wonder
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> worth the effort. You can't turn a Yak 52 into a Sukhoi (and that goes
>>>>>> for a
>>>>>> Yak 50 too).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Budd
>>>>>> Davisson
>>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 18:07
>>>>>> To: Yak List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't looked at a Yak's ailerons. What makes them so different?
>>>>>> Are
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> Frieze type or what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, temporarily gap sealing an aileron to see if it is effective
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> hour job. Use two pieces of wide packing tape face to face,
>>>>>> overlapping
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> inche or so. Snake it up through the gap and press it in place. Fly
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> what the difference is and, if you don't like it, remove it. If you
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> go for something more permanent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking as an aeronautical engineer, there are only a few aileron
>>>>>> designs
>>>>>> that don't benefit from eliminating pressure loss through the gap.
>>>>>> Those
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> generally identified as being separate airfoils that are largely
>>>>>> disassociated from the wing and their function is to produce lift on
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> own, not change the camberline (see Junkers designs), which is the
>>>>>> case
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> all "normal" ailerons. I've flown and been around most Yak models and
>>>>>> nothing jumped out at me as being unusual about their ailerons, but
>>>>>> then,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> wasn't looking for it either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone enlighten me on this. I'm never too old to learn something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/3/08 8:43 AM, "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques,
>>>>>>> Since you are in Belgium, I suggest you have a direct conversation
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>> Vytas
>>>>>>> at Termikus. Take a close look at your aelirons and those of a Pits.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>> YAK's
>>>>>>> ailerons are designed to give an effective aileron at low air speeds
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>> well
>>>>>>> as being effective in a spin (a stalled wing). They act much like a
>>>>>>> fowler
>>>>>>> flap. A gap seal will completely take away the advantage of an
>>>>>>> effective
>>>>>>> aileron at speeds as low as 57 mph.
>>>>>>> At least that is my humble opinion. Along with Vytas's too.
>>>>>>> Roger Kemp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Budd Davisson <buddairbum@cox.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Jun 3, 2008 9:10 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Yak List <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>> a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing
>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>> effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> "curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the
>>>>>>>> ailerons
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed
>>>>>>>> machine
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bd
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference.
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques
>>>>>>>>> Bodart
>>>>>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
>>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the
>>>>>>>>> roll
>>>>>>>>> rate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
>>>>>>>>> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
>>>>>>>>>> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
>>>>>>>>>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>>>>> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
>>>>>>>>>> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
>>>>>>>>>> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>>>>> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
>>>>>>>>>> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
>>>>>>>>>> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>>>>> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
>>>>>>>>>> Point,
>>>>>>>>> MALS-14 64E)
>>>>>>>>>> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
>>>>>>>>>> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
>>>>>>>>>> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 1
>>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the
>>>>>> ailerons,
>>>>>>>>>> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent.
>>>>>>>>>> Although
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster,
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>> only easier....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly
>>>>>>>>>> modification.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jan Mevis
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yak 50 RA2005K
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 3
>>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>>>>> Shovels
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> wing tips?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 4
>>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which
>>>>>>>>>> came
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> in 83.
>>>>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
>>>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>>>>> Shovels
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>> th
>>>>>>>>>> e wing tips?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
>>>>>>>>>> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>>> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see"
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> pilo
>>>>>>>>>> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.
>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 6
>>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>> 83.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>>>>> Shovels
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> wing tips?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>>>> ics.com
>>>>>>>>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 7
>>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>>> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late
>>>>>>>>>>> April
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must
>>>>>>>>>>> see"
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the
>>>>>>>>>>> list.-
>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>> -)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
>>>>>>>>> aerobatic
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good
>>>>>> fortune
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **************
>>>>>>>>>> The year's
>>>>>>>>>> hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL
>>>>>> Music.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 8
>>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
>>>>>>>>>> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>>>>>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John P. Graham
>>>>>>>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>>>>>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>>>>>>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 9
>>>>>>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
>>>>>>>>> comfortable
>>>>>>>>>> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>>>> deg.
>>>>>>>>>> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
>>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>>>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
>>>>>>>>>> for solo and dual flight?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John P. Graham
>>>>>>>>>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>>>>>>>>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
>>>>>>>>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 10
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>>>>>>>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>>>>>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
>>>>>> Mine
>>>>>>>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>>>>>>>>>> Kemp
>>>>>>>>>> M.D.
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> 83.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>>>> ics.com
>>>>>>>>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>>>>>>>>>> dangerous content by http://www.invictawiz.com
>>>>>>>>>> and is believed to be clean.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ate: 2/11/2008 5:28 PM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>> MailScanner <http://www.mailscanner.info/> , and is believed to be
>>>>>>>>>> clean.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 11
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
>>>>>>>>>> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found ---
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A message with no text/plain MIME section was received.
>>>>>>>>>> The entire body of the message was removed. Please
>>>>>>>>>> resend the email using Plain Text formatting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section
>>>>>>>>>> in their client's default configuration. If you're using
>>>>>>>>>> HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings
>>>>>>>>>> and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found ---
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 12
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
>>>>>>>>>> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>> You need them!
>>>>>>>>>> David H.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 13
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were
>>>>>> called!
>>>>>>>>>> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them
>>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She
>>>>>> rolls
>>>>>>>>>> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been
>>>>>>>>>> overwhelmed
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
>>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>> Bitterlich,
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>> G
>>>>>>>>>> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
>>>>>>>>>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons.
>>>>>> Mine
>>>>>>>>>> has shovels... An 84 model.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>>>>>>>>>> Kemp
>>>>>>>>>> M.D.
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
>>>>>>>>>> Goode
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> 83.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Richard Goode
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ira,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
>>>>>>>>>> Shovels on the wing tips?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If so, why change to spads?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira
>>>>>>>>>> Saligman
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ira Saligman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> o 610 940 0420
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> c 610 324 5500
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> f 215 243 7699
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>>>> ics.com
>>>>>>>>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> dangerous content by http://www.invictawiz.com
>>>>>>>>>> and is believed to be clean.
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ate: 2/11/2008 5:28 PM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>> MailScanner <http://www.mailscanner.info/> , and is believed to be
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>>>>
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