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Hi everybody
Many thanks for your answers concerning ailerons gap sealing for the YAK52 & 50.
As I am competing a little bit in intermediate I am looking for any
improvements to the plane.I will contact Vytas at Termikas.
Happy loopings & landings
Jacques
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> 1. 04:30 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Jacques Bodart)
> 2. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Hans Oortman)
> 3. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 4. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Jan Mevis)
> 5. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Budd Davisson)
> 6. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Roger Kemp)
> 7. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Budd Davisson)
> 8. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Jan Mevis)
> 9. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Budd Davisson)
> 10. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (A. Dennis Savarese)
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> 12. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 13. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Walter Lannon)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
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> Time: 04:30:57 AM PST US
> From: "Jacques Bodart" <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
> rate.
>
> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>
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> > 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
> > 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
> > 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> > 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
> > 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
> > 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> > 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> > 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
> > 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> > 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
> 64E)
> > 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
> > 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
> > 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
> > From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> > o 610 940 0420
> > c 610 324 5500
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
> > From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
> > yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
> > still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of course,
> > only easier....
> >
> >
> > But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
> >
> >
> > Jan Mevis
> >
> > Yak 50 RA2005K
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> > wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
> > From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
> > in 83.
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> > Richard Goode
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D.
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on th
> > e wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
> > atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
> > p://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
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> > Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> > From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: England in April
> >
> >
> > A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see a
> > nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >
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> > Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in 83.
> >
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >
> > Richard Goode
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> > wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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> >
> >
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> > Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
> > From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
> > > another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> > >
> > > I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> > > pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
> > -)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52 aerobatic
> >
> > pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good fortune to
> >
> > fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
> >
> >
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> >
> > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
> > From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >
> >
> > Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> > for solo and dual flight?
> >
> > John P. Graham
> > CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> > Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >
> >
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and
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> > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >
> >
> > Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you comfortable
> > without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10 deg.
> > Because I want a heavy nose feel.
> > Doc
> > Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >
> >
> > Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> > for solo and dual flight?
> >
> > John P. Graham
> > CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> > Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >
> >
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> >
> > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> > From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> >
> > Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> > you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> > has shovels... An 84 model.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> > M.D.
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> > 83.
> >
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >
> > Richard Goode
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> > Shovels on the wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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> >
> >
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> >
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> > Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
> > From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
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> > Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
> > From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
> >
> >
> > Doc
> > You need them!
> > David H.
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
> > Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
> > Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
> > just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by the
> > forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
> > Doc
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
> > CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> > Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> > you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> > has shovels... An 84 model.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> > M.D.
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> > 83.
> >
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >
> > Richard Goode
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> > Shovels on the wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
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>
> Time: 05:21:09 AM PST US
> From: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> Does anybody know the equivalent oil designation for W100 at Esso (Exxon??)
>
> Hans O.
> Dutch Yak Driver
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:50:10 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> Jacques,
> In my opinion it would be somewhat impossible to seal the aileron gaps on a
> 52 or 50 because the pivot point of the aileron is aft of the leading edge.
> The aileron protrudes below the wing gap when the aileron trailing edge is
> up. The reason for the design is to keep the ailerons functional during a
> full stall, which has been proven in spin testing to be valuable in spin
> recovery by using in-spin aileron.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jacques Bodart" <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:27 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> > <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
> >
> > Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
> > YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
> > rate.
> >
> > Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
> > attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
> > ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
> >
> > On 13/02/2008, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com> wrote:
> >> *
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> >>
> >> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
> >> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
> >> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
> >> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
> >> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> >> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
> >> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> >> MALS-14 64E)
> >> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
> >> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
> >> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 1
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
> >> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 2
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
> >> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
> >> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
> >> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
> >> course,
> >> only easier....
> >>
> >>
> >> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jan Mevis
> >>
> >> Yak 50 RA2005K
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 3
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
> >> the
> >> wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 4
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
> >> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came
> >> out
> >> in 83.
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >> Richard Goode
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
> >> th
> >> e wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
> >> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
> >> p://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> >> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
> >>
> >>
> >> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
> >> a
> >> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >>
> >> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> >> pilo
> >> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jon
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 6
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> >> 83.
> >>
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>
> >> Richard Goode
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
> >> the
> >> wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
> >> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> > A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
> >> > see
> >> > another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >> >
> >> > I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> >> > pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
> >> -)
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Jon
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
> >> aerobatic
> >>
> >> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good fortune
> >> to
> >>
> >> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
> >>
> >>
> >> **************
> >> The year's
> >> hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music.
> >>
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> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 8
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
> >> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>
> >>
> >> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> >> for solo and dual flight?
> >>
> >> John P. Graham
> >> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> >> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >>
> >>
> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 9
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>
> >>
> >> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
> >> comfortable
> >> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
> >> deg.
> >> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
> >> Doc
> >> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>
> >>
> >> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> >> for solo and dual flight?
> >>
> >> John P. Graham
> >> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> >> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >>
> >>
> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 10
> >> ____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> >> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >>
> >>
> >> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> >> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> >> has shovels... An 84 model.
> >>
> >> Mark Bitterlich
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> >> M.D.
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> >> 83.
> >>
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>
> >> Richard Goode
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> >> Shovels on the wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> >> http://forums.matronics.com
> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> ics.com
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> >>
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> >>
> >> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
> >> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
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> >> ________________________________ Message 12
> >> ____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
> >> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Doc
> >> You need them!
> >> David H.
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 13
> >> ____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
> >> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
> >> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
> >> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by
> >> the
> >> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
> >> Doc
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
> >> Mark G
> >> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >>
> >> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> >> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> >> has shovels... An 84 model.
> >>
> >> Mark Bitterlich
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> >> M.D.
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> >> 83.
> >>
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>
> >> Richard Goode
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> >> Shovels on the wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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>
> Time: 05:57:20 AM PST US
> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps a few
> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
>
> Jan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques Bodart
> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
> rate.
>
> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>
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> >
> > 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
> > 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
> > 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> > 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
> > 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
> > 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> > 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> > 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
> > 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> > 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> MALS-14 64E)
> > 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
> > 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
> > 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
> > From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> > o 610 940 0420
> > c 610 324 5500
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
> > From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
> > yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
> > still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
> course,
> > only easier....
> >
> >
> > But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
> >
> >
> > Jan Mevis
> >
> > Yak 50 RA2005K
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> > wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
> > From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
> > in 83.
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> > Richard Goode
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D.
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on th
> > e wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
> > atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
> > p://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
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> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> > From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: England in April
> >
> >
> > A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
> a
> > nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >
> > I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> pilo
> > ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jon
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in 83.
> >
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >
> > Richard Goode
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> > wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> > http://forums.matronics.com
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
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> > ics.com
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> >
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> >
> >
> > Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
> > From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
> see
> > > another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> > >
> > > I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> > > pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
> > -)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
> aerobatic
> >
> > pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good fortune
> to
> >
> > fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
> >
> >
> > **************
> > The year's
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> >
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> >
> > ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
> > From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >
> >
> > Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> > for solo and dual flight?
> >
> > John P. Graham
> > CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> > Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >
> >
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and
> > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >
> >
> > Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
> comfortable
> > without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
> deg.
> > Because I want a heavy nose feel.
> > Doc
> > Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >
> >
> > Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> > for solo and dual flight?
> >
> > John P. Graham
> > CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> > Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >
> >
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and
> > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> > From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> >
> > Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> > you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> > has shovels... An 84 model.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> > M.D.
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> > 83.
> >
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >
> > Richard Goode
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> > Shovels on the wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> > http://forums.matronics.com
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
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> >
> > Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
> > From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
> >
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> >
> >
> > Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
> > From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
> >
> >
> > Doc
> > You need them!
> > David H.
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
> > Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
> > Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
> > just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by the
> > forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
> > Doc
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> G
> > CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> > Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> > you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> > has shovels... An 84 model.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> > M.D.
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> > 83.
> >
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >
> > Richard Goode
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> > Shovels on the wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >
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> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 07:13:40 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
> From: Budd Davisson <buddairbum@cox.net>
>
>
> Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that it makes
> a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing really
> effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which the
> "curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the ailerons was
> totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed machine with
> any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
>
> bd
>
>
> On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>
> >
> > I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps a few
> > degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques Bodart
> > Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
> >
> >
> > Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
> > YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
> > rate.
> >
> > Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
> > attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
> > ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
> >
> > On 13/02/2008, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com> wrote:
> >> *
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> >> Total Messages Posted Tue 02/12/08: 13
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Message Index:
> >> ----------------------
> >>
> >> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
> >> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
> >> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
> >> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
> >> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> >> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
> >> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> > MALS-14 64E)
> >> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
> >> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
> >> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 1
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
> >> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 2
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
> >> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
> >> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
> >> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
> > course,
> >> only easier....
> >>
> >>
> >> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jan Mevis
> >>
> >> Yak 50 RA2005K
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 3
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> >> wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 4
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
> >> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
> >> in 83.
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >> Richard Goode
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on th
> >> e wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
> >> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
> >> p://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> >> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
> >>
> >>
> >> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
> > a
> >> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >>
> >> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> > pilo
> >> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jon
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 6
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in 83.
> >>
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>
> >> Richard Goode
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> >> wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
> >> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
> > see
> >>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> >>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
> >> -)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Jon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
> > aerobatic
> >>
> >> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good fortune
> > to
> >>
> >> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
> >>
> >>
> >> **************
> >> The year's
> >> hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music.
> >>
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> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 8
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
> >> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>
> >>
> >> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> >> for solo and dual flight?
> >>
> >> John P. Graham
> >> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> >> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >>
> >>
> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 9
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>
> >>
> >> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
> > comfortable
> >> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
> > deg.
> >> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
> >> Doc
> >> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>
> >>
> >> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> >> for solo and dual flight?
> >>
> >> John P. Graham
> >> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> >> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >>
> >>
> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 10
> > ____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> > <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >>
> >>
> >> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> >> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> >> has shovels... An 84 model.
> >>
> >> Mark Bitterlich
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> >> M.D.
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> >> 83.
> >>
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>
> >> Richard Goode
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> >> Shovels on the wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
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> >> ________________________________ Message 12
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> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
> >> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Doc
> >> You need them!
> >> David H.
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 13
> > ____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
> >> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
> >> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
> >> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by the
> >> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
> >> Doc
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> > G
> >> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >>
> >> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> >> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> >> has shovels... An 84 model.
> >>
> >> Mark Bitterlich
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> >> M.D.
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> >> 83.
> >>
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>
> >> Richard Goode
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> >> Shovels on the wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> >> http://forums.matronics.com
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> Time: 08:46:24 AM PST US
> From: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> Jacques,
> Since you are in Belgium, I suggest you have a direct conversation with Vytas
at
> Termikus. Take a close look at your aelirons and those of a Pits. The YAK's
> ailerons are designed to give an effective aileron at low air speeds as well
as
> being effective in a spin (a stalled wing). They act much like a fowler flap.
> A gap seal will completely take away the advantage of an effective aileron at
> speeds as low as 57 mph.
> At least that is my humble opinion. Along with Vytas's too.
> Roger Kemp
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Budd Davisson <buddairbum@cox.net>
> >Sent: Jun 3, 2008 9:10 AM
> >To: Yak List <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
> >
> >
> >Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that it makes
> >a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing really
> >effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which the
> >"curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the ailerons was
> >totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed machine with
> >any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
> >
> >bd
> >
> >
> >On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps a few
> >> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
> >>
> >> Jan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques Bodart
> >> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
> >> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
> >> rate.
> >>
> >> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
> >> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
> >> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
> >>
> >> Many thanks
> >>
> >> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
> >>
> >> On 13/02/2008, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com> wrote:
> >>> *
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> >>> Total Messages Posted Tue 02/12/08: 13
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> >>> ----------------------
> >>>
> >>> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
> >>> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
> >>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >>> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
> >>> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
> >>> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >>> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> >>> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
> >>> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >>> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> >> MALS-14 64E)
> >>> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
> >>> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
> >>> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 1
> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
> >>> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira Saligman
> >>> o 610 940 0420
> >>> c 610 324 5500
> >>> f 215 243 7699
> >>>
> >>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 2
> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
> >>> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
> >>> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
> >>> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
> >> course,
> >>> only easier....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jan Mevis
> >>>
> >>> Yak 50 RA2005K
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >>> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira Saligman
> >>>
> >>> o 610 940 0420
> >>>
> >>> c 610 324 5500
> >>>
> >>> f 215 243 7699
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 3
> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
> >>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>> Ira,
> >>>
> >>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> >>> wing tips?
> >>>
> >>> If so, why change to spads?
> >>>
> >>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>>
> >>> Doc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira Saligman
> >>>
> >>> o 610 940 0420
> >>>
> >>> c 610 324 5500
> >>>
> >>> f 215 243 7699
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 4
> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
> >>> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
> >>> in 83.
> >>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>> Richard Goode
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
> >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira,
> >>>
> >>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on th
> >>> e wing tips?
> >>>
> >>> If so, why change to spads?
> >>>
> >>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>>
> >>> Doc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
> >>> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira Saligman
> >>>
> >>> o 610 940 0420
> >>>
> >>> c 610 324 5500
> >>>
> >>> f 215 243 7699
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
> >>> p://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> >>> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
> >> a
> >>> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> >> pilo
> >>> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Jon
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 6
> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> >>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>>
> >>> Doc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in 83.
> >>>
> >>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>>
> >>> Richard Goode
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>>
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira,
> >>>
> >>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> >>> wing tips?
> >>>
> >>> If so, why change to spads?
> >>>
> >>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>>
> >>> Doc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira Saligman
> >>>
> >>> o 610 940 0420
> >>>
> >>> c 610 324 5500
> >>>
> >>> f 215 243 7699
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
> >>> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
> >> see
> >>>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> >>>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
> >>> -)
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Jon
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
> >> aerobatic
> >>>
> >>> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good fortune
> >> to
> >>>
> >>> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> **************
> >>> The year's
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> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 8
> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
> >>> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> >>> for solo and dual flight?
> >>>
> >>> John P. Graham
> >>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> >>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 9
> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
> >>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
> >> comfortable
> >>> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
> >> deg.
> >>> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
> >>> Doc
> >>> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> >>> for solo and dual flight?
> >>>
> >>> John P. Graham
> >>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> >>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> >>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 10
> >> ____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> >> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> >>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> >>> has shovels... An 84 model.
> >>>
> >>> Mark Bitterlich
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> >>> M.D.
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>>
> >>> Doc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> >>> 83.
> >>>
> >>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>>
> >>> Richard Goode
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>>
> >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>>
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira,
> >>>
> >>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> >>> Shovels on the wing tips?
> >>>
> >>> If so, why change to spads?
> >>>
> >>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>>
> >>> Doc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira Saligman
> >>>
> >>> o 610 940 0420
> >>>
> >>> c 610 324 5500
> >>>
> >>> f 215 243 7699
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> >>> http://forums.matronics.com
> >>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> >>> ics.com
> >>> .matronics.com/contribution
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> dangerous content by http://www.invictawiz.com
> >>> and is believed to be clean.
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ate: 2/11/2008 5:28 PM
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Hi everybody
Many thanks for your answers concerning ailerons gap sealing for the YAK52 & 50.
As I am competing a little bit in intermediate I am looking for any
improvements to the plane.I will contact Vytas at Termikas.
Happy loopings & landings
Jacques
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> 1. 04:30 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Jacques Bodart)
> 2. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Hans Oortman)
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> 6. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Roger Kemp)
> 7. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Budd Davisson)
> 8. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Jan Mevis)
> 9. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Budd Davisson)
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> 12. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 13. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08 (Walter Lannon)
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> Time: 04:30:57 AM PST US
> From: "Jacques Bodart" <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
> rate.
>
> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>
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> >
> > 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
> > 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
> > 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> > 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
> > 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
> > 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> > 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> > 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
> > 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> > 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
> 64E)
> > 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
> > 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
> > 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
> > From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> > o 610 940 0420
> > c 610 324 5500
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
> > From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
> > yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
> > still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of course,
> > only easier....
> >
> >
> > But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
> >
> >
> > Jan Mevis
> >
> > Yak 50 RA2005K
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> > wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
> > From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
> > in 83.
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> > Richard Goode
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D.
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on th
> > e wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
> > atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
> > p://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> > From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: England in April
> >
> >
> > A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see a
> > nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >
> > I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for pilo
> > ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jon
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in 83.
> >
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >
> > Richard Goode
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> > wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> > http://forums.matronics.com
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
> > ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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> >
> > Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
> > From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
> > > another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> > >
> > > I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> > > pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
> > -)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52 aerobatic
> >
> > pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good fortune to
> >
> > fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
> >
> >
> > **************
> > The year's
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> >
> > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
> > From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >
> >
> > Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> > for solo and dual flight?
> >
> > John P. Graham
> > CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> > Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >
> >
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and
> > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >
> >
> > Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you comfortable
> > without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10 deg.
> > Because I want a heavy nose feel.
> > Doc
> > Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >
> >
> > Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> > for solo and dual flight?
> >
> > John P. Graham
> > CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> > Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >
> >
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and
> > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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> >
> > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> > From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> >
> > Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> > you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> > has shovels... An 84 model.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> > M.D.
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> > 83.
> >
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >
> > Richard Goode
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> > Shovels on the wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> > http://forums.matronics.com
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
> > From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
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> >
> > Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
> > From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
> >
> >
> > Doc
> > You need them!
> > David H.
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
> > Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
> > Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
> > just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by the
> > forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
> > Doc
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
> > CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> > Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> > you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> > has shovels... An 84 model.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> > M.D.
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> > 83.
> >
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >
> > Richard Goode
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> > Shovels on the wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
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>
> Time: 05:21:09 AM PST US
> From: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> Does anybody know the equivalent oil designation for W100 at Esso (Exxon??)
>
> Hans O.
> Dutch Yak Driver
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:50:10 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> Jacques,
> In my opinion it would be somewhat impossible to seal the aileron gaps on a
> 52 or 50 because the pivot point of the aileron is aft of the leading edge.
> The aileron protrudes below the wing gap when the aileron trailing edge is
> up. The reason for the design is to keep the ailerons functional during a
> full stall, which has been proven in spin testing to be valuable in spin
> recovery by using in-spin aileron.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jacques Bodart" <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:27 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> > <jacques.bodart@gmail.com>
> >
> > Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
> > YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
> > rate.
> >
> > Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
> > attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
> > ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
> >
> > On 13/02/2008, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com> wrote:
> >> *
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> >>
> >> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
> >> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
> >> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
> >> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
> >> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> >> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
> >> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> >> MALS-14 64E)
> >> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
> >> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
> >> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 1
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
> >> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 2
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
> >> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
> >> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
> >> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
> >> course,
> >> only easier....
> >>
> >>
> >> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jan Mevis
> >>
> >> Yak 50 RA2005K
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 3
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
> >> the
> >> wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 4
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
> >> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came
> >> out
> >> in 83.
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >> Richard Goode
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
> >> th
> >> e wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
> >> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
> >> p://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> >> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
> >>
> >>
> >> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
> >> a
> >> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >>
> >> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> >> pilo
> >> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jon
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 6
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> >> 83.
> >>
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>
> >> Richard Goode
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on
> >> the
> >> wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
> >> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> > A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
> >> > see
> >> > another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >> >
> >> > I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> >> > pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
> >> -)
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Jon
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
> >> aerobatic
> >>
> >> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good fortune
> >> to
> >>
> >> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
> >>
> >>
> >> **************
> >> The year's
> >> hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music.
> >>
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> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 8
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
> >> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>
> >>
> >> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> >> for solo and dual flight?
> >>
> >> John P. Graham
> >> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> >> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >>
> >>
> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 9
> >> _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>
> >>
> >> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
> >> comfortable
> >> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
> >> deg.
> >> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
> >> Doc
> >> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>
> >>
> >> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> >> for solo and dual flight?
> >>
> >> John P. Graham
> >> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> >> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >>
> >>
> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 10
> >> ____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> >> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >>
> >>
> >> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> >> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> >> has shovels... An 84 model.
> >>
> >> Mark Bitterlich
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> >> M.D.
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> >> 83.
> >>
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>
> >> Richard Goode
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> >> Shovels on the wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> >> http://forums.matronics.com
> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>
> >>
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> >> ics.com
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> >>
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> >>
> >> Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
> >> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
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> >> ________________________________ Message 12
> >> ____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
> >> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Doc
> >> You need them!
> >> David H.
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 13
> >> ____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
> >> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
> >> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
> >> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by
> >> the
> >> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
> >> Doc
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
> >> Mark G
> >> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >>
> >> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> >> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> >> has shovels... An 84 model.
> >>
> >> Mark Bitterlich
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> >> M.D.
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> >> 83.
> >>
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>
> >> Richard Goode
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> >> Shovels on the wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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>
> Time: 05:57:20 AM PST US
> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps a few
> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
>
> Jan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques Bodart
> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
> rate.
>
> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
>
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> >
> > 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
> > 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
> > 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> > 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
> > 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
> > 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> > 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> > 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
> > 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> > 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> MALS-14 64E)
> > 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
> > 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
> > 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
> > From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> > o 610 940 0420
> > c 610 324 5500
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
> > From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
> > yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
> > still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
> course,
> > only easier....
> >
> >
> > But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
> >
> >
> > Jan Mevis
> >
> > Yak 50 RA2005K
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> > wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
> > From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
> > in 83.
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> > Richard Goode
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D.
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on th
> > e wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
> > atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
> > p://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
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> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> > From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: England in April
> >
> >
> > A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
> a
> > nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >
> > I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> pilo
> > ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jon
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in 83.
> >
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >
> > Richard Goode
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> > wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> > http://forums.matronics.com
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
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> > ics.com
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> >
> >
> > Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
> > From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
> see
> > > another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> > >
> > > I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> > > pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
> > -)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
> aerobatic
> >
> > pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good fortune
> to
> >
> > fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
> >
> >
> > **************
> > The year's
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> >
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> >
> > ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
> > From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >
> >
> > Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> > for solo and dual flight?
> >
> > John P. Graham
> > CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> > Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >
> >
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and
> > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >
> >
> > Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
> comfortable
> > without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
> deg.
> > Because I want a heavy nose feel.
> > Doc
> > Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >
> >
> > Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> > for solo and dual flight?
> >
> > John P. Graham
> > CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> > Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >
> >
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and
> > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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> >
> > ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> > From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> >
> > Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> > you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> > has shovels... An 84 model.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> > M.D.
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> > 83.
> >
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >
> > Richard Goode
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> > Shovels on the wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> > http://forums.matronics.com
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
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> >
> > Time: 03:07:00 PM PST US
> > From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
> >
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> >
> >
> > Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
> > From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
> >
> >
> > Doc
> > You need them!
> > David H.
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
> > Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
> > Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
> > just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by the
> > forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
> > Doc
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> G
> > CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> > Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> > you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> > has shovels... An 84 model.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> > M.D.
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> > Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> > 83.
> >
> > Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >
> > Richard Goode
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> > Shovels on the wing tips?
> >
> > If so, why change to spads?
> >
> > I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >
> >
> > Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 940 0420
> >
> > c 610 324 5500
> >
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> >
> > isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >
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> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 07:13:40 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
> From: Budd Davisson <buddairbum@cox.net>
>
>
> Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that it makes
> a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing really
> effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which the
> "curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the ailerons was
> totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed machine with
> any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
>
> bd
>
>
> On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>
> >
> > I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps a few
> > degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques Bodart
> > Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
> >
> >
> > Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
> > YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
> > rate.
> >
> > Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
> > attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
> > ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
> >
> > On 13/02/2008, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com> wrote:
> >> *
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> >> Total Messages Posted Tue 02/12/08: 13
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Message Index:
> >> ----------------------
> >>
> >> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
> >> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
> >> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
> >> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
> >> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> >> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
> >> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> > MALS-14 64E)
> >> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
> >> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
> >> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 1
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
> >> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 2
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
> >> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
> >> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
> >> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
> > course,
> >> only easier....
> >>
> >>
> >> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jan Mevis
> >>
> >> Yak 50 RA2005K
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 3
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> >> wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 4
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
> >> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
> >> in 83.
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >> Richard Goode
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on th
> >> e wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
> >> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
> >> p://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> >> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
> >>
> >>
> >> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
> > a
> >> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >>
> >> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> > pilo
> >> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jon
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 6
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in 83.
> >>
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>
> >> Richard Goode
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> >> wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
> >> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
> > see
> >>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> >>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
> >> -)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Jon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
> > aerobatic
> >>
> >> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good fortune
> > to
> >>
> >> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
> >>
> >>
> >> **************
> >> The year's
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> >>
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> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 8
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
> >> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>
> >>
> >> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> >> for solo and dual flight?
> >>
> >> John P. Graham
> >> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> >> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >>
> >>
> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 9
> > _____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>
> >>
> >> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
> > comfortable
> >> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
> > deg.
> >> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
> >> Doc
> >> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>
> >>
> >> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> >> for solo and dual flight?
> >>
> >> John P. Graham
> >> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> >> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >>
> >>
> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 10
> > ____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> > <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >>
> >>
> >> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> >> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> >> has shovels... An 84 model.
> >>
> >> Mark Bitterlich
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> >> M.D.
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> >> 83.
> >>
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>
> >> Richard Goode
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> >> Shovels on the wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> >> http://forums.matronics.com
> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> From: Martin Robinson <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
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> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spades
> >> From: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Doc
> >> You need them!
> >> David H.
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163756#163756
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________ Message 13
> > ____________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> Time: 05:35:56 PM PST US
> >> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> That is what I thought the wing tip aileron load lighteners were called!
> >> Shovels! I do not have them on my 78 but don't feel I need them either.
> >> Besides, I have wingtips anyway. Not dumping them for shovels. She rolls
> >> just fine with my current arrangement and have not been overwhelmed by the
> >> forces on the controls at 380 kmph either yet.
> >> Doc
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> > G
> >> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:24 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >>
> >> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> >> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> >> has shovels... An 84 model.
> >>
> >> Mark Bitterlich
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> >> M.D.
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> >> 83.
> >>
> >> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>
> >> Richard Goode
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira,
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> >> Shovels on the wing tips?
> >>
> >> If so, why change to spads?
> >>
> >> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>
> >> Doc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ira Saligman
> >>
> >> o 610 940 0420
> >>
> >> c 610 324 5500
> >>
> >> f 215 243 7699
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Time: 08:46:24 AM PST US
> From: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
>
>
> Jacques,
> Since you are in Belgium, I suggest you have a direct conversation with Vytas
at
> Termikus. Take a close look at your aelirons and those of a Pits. The YAK's
> ailerons are designed to give an effective aileron at low air speeds as well
as
> being effective in a spin (a stalled wing). They act much like a fowler flap.
> A gap seal will completely take away the advantage of an effective aileron at
> speeds as low as 57 mph.
> At least that is my humble opinion. Along with Vytas's too.
> Roger Kemp
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Budd Davisson <buddairbum@cox.net>
> >Sent: Jun 3, 2008 9:10 AM
> >To: Yak List <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
> >
> >
> >Having gap sealed a number of Pitts, I can categorically state that it makes
> >a significant different. Spades lighten the forces, but gap sealing really
> >effects the roll rate. I've also flown at least one Mustang in which the
> >"curtains" a canvas gap seal that attaches to the front of the ailerons was
> >totally deteriorated and that airplane was almost a two-handed machine with
> >any speed at all on it (which they all are, but this one was worse).
> >
> >bd
> >
> >
> >On 6/3/08 5:54 AM, "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I just wonder if this gap sealing will make a big difference. Perhaps a few
> >> degrees per second ? Is there any scientific data about this ?
> >>
> >> Jan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jacques Bodart
> >> Sent: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 13:27
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 02/12/08
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anybody had done some sort of gap sealing for the ailerons of a
> >> YAK52 or 50 like many PITTS or other aerobatic a/c to improve the roll
> >> rate.
> >>
> >> Concerning the spades/shovels differences so for you the shovels are
> >> attached to the ailerons tip and the spades are attached to the
> >> ailerons hinges and hanging below the wing?
> >>
> >> Many thanks
> >>
> >> Jacques Bodart(Belgium)
> >>
> >> On 13/02/2008, Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list@matronics.com> wrote:
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> >>> ----------------------
> >>>
> >>> 1. 06:10 AM - Spades (Ira Saligman)
> >>> 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Spades (Jan Mevis)
> >>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >>> 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Spades (Richard Goode)
> >>> 5. 09:36 AM - England in April (Jon Boede)
> >>> 6. 09:36 AM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >>> 7. 10:05 AM - Re: England in April (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> >>> 8. 11:35 AM - Trim wheel position (John Graham)
> >>> 9. 12:42 PM - Re: Trim wheel position (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >>> 10. 02:27 PM - Re: Spades (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> >> MALS-14 64E)
> >>> 11. 03:07 PM - Re: England in April (Martin Robinson)
> >>> 12. 03:29 PM - Re: Spades (napeone)
> >>> 13. 05:35 PM - Re: Spades (Roger Kemp M.D.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 1
> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 06:10:07 AM PST US
> >>> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira Saligman
> >>> o 610 940 0420
> >>> c 610 324 5500
> >>> f 215 243 7699
> >>>
> >>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 2
> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 06:52:44 AM PST US
> >>> From: "Jan Mevis" <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>> If you mean the original Russian spades on the outer end of the ailerons,
> >>> yes. The difference when doing aerobatics is quite apparent. Although I
> >>> still need both hands for rolling. It won' make you roll faster, of
> >> course,
> >>> only easier....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But most of my collegue Yakista's consider it a very ugly modification.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jan Mevis
> >>>
> >>> Yak 50 RA2005K
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >>> Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:07
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira Saligman
> >>>
> >>> o 610 940 0420
> >>>
> >>> c 610 324 5500
> >>>
> >>> f 215 243 7699
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 3
> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 08:30:36 AM PST US
> >>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>> Ira,
> >>>
> >>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> >>> wing tips?
> >>>
> >>> If so, why change to spads?
> >>>
> >>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>>
> >>> Doc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira Saligman
> >>>
> >>> o 610 940 0420
> >>>
> >>> c 610 324 5500
> >>>
> >>> f 215 243 7699
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 4
> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 09:00:00 AM PST US
> >>> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>> MessageThe Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out
> >>> in 83.
> >>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>> Richard Goode
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Roger Kemp M.D.
> >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira,
> >>>
> >>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on th
> >>> e wing tips?
> >>>
> >>> If so, why change to spads?
> >>>
> >>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>>
> >>> Doc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
> >>> atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira Saligman
> >>>
> >>> o 610 940 0420
> >>>
> >>> c 610 324 5500
> >>>
> >>> f 215 243 7699
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt
> >>> p://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> >>> From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: England in April
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to see
> >> a
> >>> nother pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> >> pilo
> >>> ts. The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list. :-)
> >>>
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> >>> Jon
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> >>> ________________________________ Message 6
> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
> >>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>>
> >>> Doc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in 83.
> >>>
> >>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>>
> >>> Richard Goode
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>>
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira,
> >>>
> >>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have Shovels on the
> >>> wing tips?
> >>>
> >>> If so, why change to spads?
> >>>
> >>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>>
> >>> Doc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira Saligman
> >>>
> >>> o 610 940 0420
> >>>
> >>> c 610 324 5500
> >>>
> >>> f 215 243 7699
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 10:05:31 AM PST US
> >>> From: ByronMFox@aol.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: England in April
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 2/12/08 9:37:26 AM, jonboede@hotmail.com writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> A couple pilot friends of mine are headed to England in late April to
> >> see
> >>>> another pilot friend of mine who's now living in Bath.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm looking for suggestions on Aviation Things that are "must see" for
> >>>> pilots.- The Imperial War Museum at Duxford is already on the list.- :
> >>> -)
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Jon
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Must go up to Bobbinton and fly with Gennady Elfimov, famed Yak 52
> >> aerobatic
> >>>
> >>> pilot and singularly the finest instructor I've ever had the good fortune
> >> to
> >>>
> >>> fly with. See http://www.skytrace.co.uk/ ...Blitz
> >>>
> >>>
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> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 11:35:39 AM PST US
> >>> From: John Graham <cubflyer1940@yahoo.com>
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> >>> for solo and dual flight?
> >>>
> >>> John P. Graham
> >>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> >>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 9
> >> _____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 12:42:07 PM PST US
> >>> From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Neutral with dual and 10-20 deg nose up solo(whatever makes you
> >> comfortable
> >>> without pitching the nose up to high on rotation). I crank in about 10
> >> deg.
> >>> Because I want a heavy nose feel.
> >>> Doc
> >>> Yak 52 552SH and YAK 50 78YK (soon to 160SH)
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Graham
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:28 PM
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Trim wheel position
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone share their trim wheel settings/positions
> >>> for solo and dual flight?
> >>>
> >>> John P. Graham
> >>> CubFlyer1940@Yahoo.com
> >>> Cell phone (847) 641-1330
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
> >>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________ Message 10
> >> ____________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Time: 02:27:14 PM PST US
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> >> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Actually I have seen both installed.... Not at the same time mind
> >>> you.... But some guys have indeed put spades on the 50's ailerons. Mine
> >>> has shovels... An 84 model.
> >>>
> >>> Mark Bitterlich
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> >>> M.D.
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:33
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I got it backwards.
> >>>
> >>> Doc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:57 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The Yak 50 "spades" are the devices on the wing tips,which came out in
> >>> 83.
> >>>
> >>> Not very attractive but do lighten the aileron loads.
> >>>
> >>> Richard Goode
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: Roger Kemp M.D. <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>>
> >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:56 PM
> >>>
> >>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira,
> >>>
> >>> If I am not mistaken, does the 85 50 that you have not have
> >>> Shovels on the wing tips?
> >>>
> >>> If so, why change to spads?
> >>>
> >>> I'm flying my 78 without either quit comfortablely.
> >>>
> >>> Doc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:07 AM
> >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>> Subject: Yak-List: Spades
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone familiar with putting spades on a Yak 50?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ira Saligman
> >>>
> >>> o 610 940 0420
> >>>
> >>> c 610 324 5500
> >>>
> >>> f 215 243 7699
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> isaligman@Saligman.com <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> >>> http://forums.matronics.com
> >>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> ics.com
> >>> .matronics.com/contribution
> >>>
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> >>> and is believed to be clean.
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