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| Subject: | Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL |
Hi this is my first post to the list an hope it works. Regarding with
whom to deal in the purchase of a YAK, I did a lot of research before
deciding to do business with Richard Goode and having done so I can't
praise his professionalism and communication highly enough in the
transaction I had with him which was to purchase a YAK18T from a
location in Europe.
The aircraft is as described, travelled well by container from Hungary,
and is now sitting in a hangar just down the road from me with all the
documentation, ready for Australian registration.
He has a good reputation among the people that frequent this list and
for good reason. Cheers, Phil Gower, Toowoomba.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Yak-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 06/12/08 |
Hi Doug,
Usually, I find your posts here to be a refreshing voice of logic and reason
on this forum that is at times not really a bastion of well thought out ideas.
This time, however, I am on the other side of the fence from you. First,
I thought you were a bit far out in jumping Mike Hanshew for not putting his name
underneath his message...when he clearly identified himself in the message
origin.
For, the record Mike Hanshew is one of the most talented, straight forward
and respectable members of the Yak/CJ community that there is. He has a very
nice Yak 52 and I have had the pleasure of flying with him in that airplane.
He is truly one of the good guys.
This festering sore of Liutauras Dzuisas and his business practices needs
to be resolved in some way. I must say that I don't have a really workable suggestion
as to how this could be done. It least, the whole ugly mess needs to
be exposed to the Yak/CJ community. I think that there are some people involved
in this ugliness that should comment directly about their involvement and
what, from their viewpoint, "really happened".
A recent post by Ilia somebody excusing this as poor Liatauras having bad
luck and being forced into a "Ponzi" scheme to try to save his business, etc.,
is pure hog wash. Ponzi scheme or not, what this guy Dzuisas was/is doing is
simply a continuing criminal enterprise. Whoever started this thread (maybe
Schrick) was right, simply put, the man should be put in jail AFTER whatever assets
he has are returned to his trusting victims.
Doug, what appears to have rattled your cage here was Mike's assertion that
broker (or brokers) involved here have some culpability. If I read you right
that you don't think that they do, I must say that I think you are 100% wrong
PARTICULARLY if they have a reason to even suspect that their source is less
than reliable.
In this case, it appears that one broker (wouldn't "agent" be a better term
here?) continued to take deposits of 50% on airplanes to be delivered by Dzuisas
even AFTER he knew that Dzuisas wasn't delivering airplanes as agreed.
In a first deal situation, being cheated by a supposed seller who doesn't
perform kind of puts everybody in the "victim" status. But for a dealer/broker/agent
to then continue to take 50% deposits for airplanes from a source that
HE KNOWS has not performed honorably in the past raises questions about that
persons character and integrity.
For such a person, who appears to me to have been acting as agent, to then
remain silent when it becomes public knowledge that the seller (Dzuisas, in this
case) is conducting a continuing criminal enterprise raises really uncomfortable
possibilities. Those involved need to speak out....and sooner rather than
later.
Thanks for listening.
Roger Baker
---- doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since in your hast to be critical you did not sign your email I can only
> assume your name is really is Michael.....
>
> Michael,
> You have stated the obvious about making a profit, and then you go on to
> make assumptions way outside the scope of your knowledge of the situation.
> I don't mean to be harsh but none of the "brokers" that I know of (including
> myself) have any intention of expecting the customer to assume the loss.
> They are honorable folks caught up in a bad situation, and I seriously doubt
> that there is any basis for your your comments. In my situation
> I gave deposits back on 4 engines when this gentlemen did not ship, and I
> would expect that if it becomes apparent that he is not going to provide the
> aircraft a similar action will make the customer whole again.
>
> The reason this dialogue was started in the first place was not to cast
> doubt or question the honor or intentions of the brokers involved, but to
> utilize the far reaching readership of the Yak list in an attempt to stop
> any more people from being sucked into a similar situation. If you
> personally know the folks involved and have heard them say that they expect
> the customer to absorb the loss then there is a basis for your email, but I
> can assure the readership that this is NOT the case and I personally take
> great offense at your saying that this is our intentions or is a reflection
> of how we operate.
>
> You owe the brokers involved an apology, but since you didn't even sign your
> email I doubt you are a big enough man to admit that you mis spoke.
>
> My name and contact information is below should you wish to contact me.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Michael Hanshew <michael@sf2racing.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have been reading with great interest the many posts concerning Litaurus.
> > My concern would be the lack of responsibility on behalf of the aircraft
> > brokers involved. We have two individuals in business brokering airplanes.
> > I
> > say "business" because I am sure there is profit involved in the
> > transaction, or else why bother? The people who placed deposits on
> > airplanes, were they advised that ultimately they were dealing with some
> > one
> > of less than reputable reputation? I think not. I am fairly certain the
> > deposits were sent to the brokers, not Lithuania. At that point the
> > responsibility lies with the broker. If you chose to represent people who
> > are known to be less than reputable, you take the risk of soiling your own
> > reputation. You took the risk, now you are expecting people who gave YOU
> > the
> > deposits to assume the loss? If the transaction would have gone smoothly
> > would you have returned your commissions? I think not. To separate oneself
> > from this responsibility, to "pass the buck" instead of returning earnest
> > money and accepting responsibility for your own poor judgment I find
> > appalling.
> >
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> > 1. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: YAK 52 FUEL TANK STRAPS (warren hallstrom)
> > 2. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the w ord out (Roger Kemp MD)
> > 3. 08:04 AM - Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the word out (mougellionel@aol.com)
> > 4. 09:10 AM - Re: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get the word out (doug sapp)
> > 5. 09:40 AM - Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the (frenchsukhoi)
> > 6. 09:49 AM - Re : Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get the (mougellionel@aol.com)
> > 7. 10:03 AM - Re : Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get (frenchsukhoi)
> > 8. 09:23 PM - Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the w
> > ord ou (Tim Gagnon)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:35:48 AM PST US
> > From: warren hallstrom <aviat501@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: YAK 52 FUEL TANK STRAPS
> >
> > Dennis
> > I will make up a set straps to support the tanks midsection.. In response
> > to your
> > previous E Mail on my vent system, the aircraft has been modified with the
> > dual vents. Thanks for the info on the fuel bladder mod.
> >
> > Warren
> >
> >
> > The CJ straps will not fit.
> > Dennis
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "warren552"
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:01 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: YAK 52 FUEL TANK STRAPS
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Doug,
> > > maybe someone on the YAK list has experience with the CJ
> > > straps in regard to modifying them to work in the YAK.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187214#187214
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:58:55 AM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the w
> > ord out
> >
> > Yeah but are you guys going to get your airplanes out of him before he
> > goes?
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > netmaster15@juno.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the w ord out
> >
> >
> > Remi, I could have told you that some years back.
> > CLIFF
> > -- "frenchsukhoi" <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr> wrote:
> >
> > Don't worry...it won't take a long time now. Lithuanians jails are cold!!!
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187463#187463
> >
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> > Time: 08:04:10 AM PST US
> > Subject: Re : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the
> > word out
> > From: mougellionel@aol.com
> >
> > Maybe you could join him in jail with your business partner in the same
> > time
> > =C2- ....
> >
> > Lionel Mougel
> >
> > French air force
> >
> >
> > -----E-mail d'origine-----
> > De : frenchsukhoi <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> > A : yak-list@matronics.com
> > Envoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi, 12 Juin 2008 1:21
> > Sujet : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the
> > wor
> > d out
> >
> >
> > Don't worry...it won't take a long time now. Lithuanians jails are cold!!!
> >
> >
> > ead this topic online here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187463#187463
> >
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> > Time: 09:10:20 AM PST US
> > From: "doug sapp" <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Re : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get
> > the word out
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:01 AM, <mougellionel@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you could join him in jail with your business partner in the same
> > > time ....
> > >
> > > Lionel Mougel
> > >
> > > French air force
> > >
> >
> > Geeze guys, where did that come from?
> >
> > Doc does have a point, intentional or not he has touched on the reason this
> > scoundrel is still in business. That point is very simply this: Hope
> > springs eternal! Once he has your deposit you have no choice but to hope
> > that he WILL do what he says, if you wait long enough. And we all feel tha
> > t
> > if we rock the boat to violently we will get nothing, so we have no choice
> > but to remain quiet and hope for the best. In the mean time this jerk goes
> > about his business of screwing even more folks in the flying community.
> > Personally I think the guy really does intend to do what he says he will do
> > ,
> > but for one reason or another he gets himself in a financial jamb and so he
> > sells the same plane twice or takes a deposit on something he does not even
> > have yet. In my situation he took a 50% deposit on 4 engines, 24 hours
> > after he rec'd my deposit he canceled two of the engines and refused to
> > refund the deposit on the cancelled engines. So now he has full payment fo
> > r
> > the two engines! Very slick indeed!! He then sold my engines to another
> > party here in the states, not once but TWICE and only after I threatened hi
> > m
> > with legal action, Dennis visited him, and I waited more than 2 years did
> > he finally send my engines. Yes folks this guy needs to be put in jail,
> > hopefully that will happen after Dennis gets his aircraft. But as Doc
> > hinted somebody is going to be left holding the bag when it happens. What
> > we need to do is to get the word out about him or better than that, go over
> > there and "talk to him by hand", he obviously need an attitude adjustment.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:01 AM, <mougellionel@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you could join him in jail with your business partner in the same
> > > time ....
> > >
> > > Lionel Mougel
> > >
> > > French air force
> > >
> > >
> > > -----E-mail d'origine-----
> > > De : frenchsukhoi <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> > > A : yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi, 12 Juin 2008 1:21
> > > Sujet : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the
> > > word out
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't worry...it won't take a long time now. Lithuanians jails are cold!!
> > !
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187463#187463
> > >
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Always Yakin,
> > Doug Sapp
> > Phone 509-826-4610
> > Fax 509-826-3644
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 5
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:40:13 AM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the
> > From: "frenchsukhoi" <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> >
> >
> > Hello Lionel,
> >
> > Why you tell that?
> >
> > Rmi
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187605#187605
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:49:28 AM PST US
> > Subject: Re : Yak-List: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get
> > the
> > From: mougellionel@aol.com
> >
> >
> > I said that in regards of two things :
> >
> > Firstly , a L 39 in the south east maybe Mr Iturria or Barbier could
> > refresh
> > your mind
> > second , a yak 52 sold to two of my other friends from the french air force
> > officer school
> >
> > i think it's enough to argue that i said
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> > -----E-mail d'origine-----
> > De : frenchsukhoi <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> > A : yak-list@matronics.com
> > Envoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi, 12 Juin 2008 18:37
> > Sujet : Yak-List: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > th
> > e
> >
> >
> > Hello Lionel,
> > Why you tell that?
> > R=C3=83=C2=A9mi
> >
> >
> > ead this topic online here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187605#187605
> >
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> > ________________________________ Message 7
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 10:03:38 AM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re : Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get
> > From: "frenchsukhoi" <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> >
> >
> > Dear Lionel,
> >
> > 1) L39 in the south?
> >
> > 2) You friends from French Air Force: the problem is that this Yak-52 was
> > supposed
> > to be delivered by Liutauras...but as usually nothing happened after we
> > paid
> > the deposit. I am between Liutauras and your friends without any power to
> > act...only
> > legal way as I do now. I never stolen anybody and I will not start to
> > stole someone today. I'm just claiming against Anabaras to take my deposit
> > back
> > and I soon as will receive the money I will give it back to your friends.
> > I'm not a bad guy and situation is pretty complicate for me...Dennis
> > SAVARESE
> > can confirm this.
> >
> > Best regards Lionel,
> >
> > Rmi
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187609#187609
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 8
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:23:04 PM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the w
> > ord
> > ou
> > From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
> >
> >
> > How about we stop doing business with anyone over there? What will that
> > do...maybe
> > put pressure on those that are honest to take some sort of action against
> > those that are not...a from of peer pressure.
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187696#187696
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
> Phone 509-826-4610
> Fax 509-826-3644
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---- doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since in your hast to be critical you did not sign your email I can only
> assume your name is really is Michael.....
>
> Michael,
> You have stated the obvious about making a profit, and then you go on to
> make assumptions way outside the scope of your knowledge of the situation.
> I don't mean to be harsh but none of the "brokers" that I know of (including
> myself) have any intention of expecting the customer to assume the loss.
> They are honorable folks caught up in a bad situation, and I seriously doubt
> that there is any basis for your your comments. In my situation
> I gave deposits back on 4 engines when this gentlemen did not ship, and I
> would expect that if it becomes apparent that he is not going to provide the
> aircraft a similar action will make the customer whole again.
>
> The reason this dialogue was started in the first place was not to cast
> doubt or question the honor or intentions of the brokers involved, but to
> utilize the far reaching readership of the Yak list in an attempt to stop
> any more people from being sucked into a similar situation. If you
> personally know the folks involved and have heard them say that they expect
> the customer to absorb the loss then there is a basis for your email, but I
> can assure the readership that this is NOT the case and I personally take
> great offense at your saying that this is our intentions or is a reflection
> of how we operate.
>
> You owe the brokers involved an apology, but since you didn't even sign your
> email I doubt you are a big enough man to admit that you mis spoke.
>
> My name and contact information is below should you wish to contact me.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Michael Hanshew <michael@sf2racing.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have been reading with great interest the many posts concerning Litaurus.
> > My concern would be the lack of responsibility on behalf of the aircraft
> > brokers involved. We have two individuals in business brokering airplanes.
> > I
> > say "business" because I am sure there is profit involved in the
> > transaction, or else why bother? The people who placed deposits on
> > airplanes, were they advised that ultimately they were dealing with some
> > one
> > of less than reputable reputation? I think not. I am fairly certain the
> > deposits were sent to the brokers, not Lithuania. At that point the
> > responsibility lies with the broker. If you chose to represent people who
> > are known to be less than reputable, you take the risk of soiling your own
> > reputation. You took the risk, now you are expecting people who gave YOU
> > the
> > deposits to assume the loss? If the transaction would have gone smoothly
> > would you have returned your commissions? I think not. To separate oneself
> > from this responsibility, to "pass the buck" instead of returning earnest
> > money and accepting responsibility for your own poor judgment I find
> > appalling.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak-List Digest
> > Server
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:59 PM
> > To: Yak-List Digest List
> > Subject: Yak-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 06/12/08
> >
> > *
> >
> > =================================================
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> > =================================================
> >
> > Today's complete Yak-List Digest can also be found in either of the
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> > Total Messages Posted Thu 06/12/08: 8
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> > Today's Message Index:
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> >
> > 1. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: YAK 52 FUEL TANK STRAPS (warren hallstrom)
> > 2. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the w ord out (Roger Kemp MD)
> > 3. 08:04 AM - Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the word out (mougellionel@aol.com)
> > 4. 09:10 AM - Re: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get the word out (doug sapp)
> > 5. 09:40 AM - Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the (frenchsukhoi)
> > 6. 09:49 AM - Re : Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get the (mougellionel@aol.com)
> > 7. 10:03 AM - Re : Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get (frenchsukhoi)
> > 8. 09:23 PM - Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the w
> > ord ou (Tim Gagnon)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:35:48 AM PST US
> > From: warren hallstrom <aviat501@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: YAK 52 FUEL TANK STRAPS
> >
> > Dennis
> > I will make up a set straps to support the tanks midsection.. In response
> > to your
> > previous E Mail on my vent system, the aircraft has been modified with the
> > dual vents. Thanks for the info on the fuel bladder mod.
> >
> > Warren
> >
> >
> > The CJ straps will not fit.
> > Dennis
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "warren552"
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:01 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: YAK 52 FUEL TANK STRAPS
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Doug,
> > > maybe someone on the YAK list has experience with the CJ
> > > straps in regard to modifying them to work in the YAK.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187214#187214
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:58:55 AM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the w
> > ord out
> >
> > Yeah but are you guys going to get your airplanes out of him before he
> > goes?
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > netmaster15@juno.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the w ord out
> >
> >
> > Remi, I could have told you that some years back.
> > CLIFF
> > -- "frenchsukhoi" <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr> wrote:
> >
> > Don't worry...it won't take a long time now. Lithuanians jails are cold!!!
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187463#187463
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> > Time: 08:04:10 AM PST US
> > Subject: Re : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the
> > word out
> > From: mougellionel@aol.com
> >
> > Maybe you could join him in jail with your business partner in the same
> > time
> > =C2- ....
> >
> > Lionel Mougel
> >
> > French air force
> >
> >
> > -----E-mail d'origine-----
> > De : frenchsukhoi <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> > A : yak-list@matronics.com
> > Envoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi, 12 Juin 2008 1:21
> > Sujet : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the
> > wor
> > d out
> >
> >
> > Don't worry...it won't take a long time now. Lithuanians jails are cold!!!
> >
> >
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> > ________________________________ Message 4
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> > Time: 09:10:20 AM PST US
> > From: "doug sapp" <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Re : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get
> > the word out
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:01 AM, <mougellionel@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you could join him in jail with your business partner in the same
> > > time ....
> > >
> > > Lionel Mougel
> > >
> > > French air force
> > >
> >
> > Geeze guys, where did that come from?
> >
> > Doc does have a point, intentional or not he has touched on the reason this
> > scoundrel is still in business. That point is very simply this: Hope
> > springs eternal! Once he has your deposit you have no choice but to hope
> > that he WILL do what he says, if you wait long enough. And we all feel tha
> > t
> > if we rock the boat to violently we will get nothing, so we have no choice
> > but to remain quiet and hope for the best. In the mean time this jerk goes
> > about his business of screwing even more folks in the flying community.
> > Personally I think the guy really does intend to do what he says he will do
> > ,
> > but for one reason or another he gets himself in a financial jamb and so he
> > sells the same plane twice or takes a deposit on something he does not even
> > have yet. In my situation he took a 50% deposit on 4 engines, 24 hours
> > after he rec'd my deposit he canceled two of the engines and refused to
> > refund the deposit on the cancelled engines. So now he has full payment fo
> > r
> > the two engines! Very slick indeed!! He then sold my engines to another
> > party here in the states, not once but TWICE and only after I threatened hi
> > m
> > with legal action, Dennis visited him, and I waited more than 2 years did
> > he finally send my engines. Yes folks this guy needs to be put in jail,
> > hopefully that will happen after Dennis gets his aircraft. But as Doc
> > hinted somebody is going to be left holding the bag when it happens. What
> > we need to do is to get the word out about him or better than that, go over
> > there and "talk to him by hand", he obviously need an attitude adjustment.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:01 AM, <mougellionel@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you could join him in jail with your business partner in the same
> > > time ....
> > >
> > > Lionel Mougel
> > >
> > > French air force
> > >
> > >
> > > -----E-mail d'origine-----
> > > De : frenchsukhoi <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> > > A : yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi, 12 Juin 2008 1:21
> > > Sujet : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the
> > > word out
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't worry...it won't take a long time now. Lithuanians jails are cold!!
> > !
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187463#187463
> > >
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> >
> > --
> > Always Yakin,
> > Doug Sapp
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> >
> > ________________________________ Message 5
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:40:13 AM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the
> > From: "frenchsukhoi" <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> >
> >
> > Hello Lionel,
> >
> > Why you tell that?
> >
> > Rmi
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187605#187605
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:49:28 AM PST US
> > Subject: Re : Yak-List: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get
> > the
> > From: mougellionel@aol.com
> >
> >
> > I said that in regards of two things :
> >
> > Firstly , a L 39 in the south east maybe Mr Iturria or Barbier could
> > refresh
> > your mind
> > second , a yak 52 sold to two of my other friends from the french air force
> > officer school
> >
> > i think it's enough to argue that i said
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> > -----E-mail d'origine-----
> > De : frenchsukhoi <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> > A : yak-list@matronics.com
> > Envoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi, 12 Juin 2008 18:37
> > Sujet : Yak-List: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > th
> > e
> >
> >
> > Hello Lionel,
> > Why you tell that?
> > R=C3=83=C2=A9mi
> >
> >
> > ead this topic online here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187605#187605
> >
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> > ________________________________ Message 7
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 10:03:38 AM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re : Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get
> > From: "frenchsukhoi" <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> >
> >
> > Dear Lionel,
> >
> > 1) L39 in the south?
> >
> > 2) You friends from French Air Force: the problem is that this Yak-52 was
> > supposed
> > to be delivered by Liutauras...but as usually nothing happened after we
> > paid
> > the deposit. I am between Liutauras and your friends without any power to
> > act...only
> > legal way as I do now. I never stolen anybody and I will not start to
> > stole someone today. I'm just claiming against Anabaras to take my deposit
> > back
> > and I soon as will receive the money I will give it back to your friends.
> > I'm not a bad guy and situation is pretty complicate for me...Dennis
> > SAVARESE
> > can confirm this.
> >
> > Best regards Lionel,
> >
> > Rmi
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187609#187609
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 8
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:23:04 PM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the w
> > ord
> > ou
> > From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
> >
> >
> > How about we stop doing business with anyone over there? What will that
> > do...maybe
> > put pressure on those that are honest to take some sort of action against
> > those that are not...a from of peer pressure.
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187696#187696
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
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