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1. 03:49 AM - Re: New topic.. how but dem bears?... seriously Barry pedal mod? (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
2. 09:38 AM - CJ6 for Sale Or Interesting Trade (LSA preferred) (stan french)
3. 02:53 PM - Engine For Sale 285hp (ONTHEGOSA@aol.com)
4. 03:22 PM - Need Advice (Roger Bieberdorf)
5. 04:14 PM - Re: Need Advice (Walter Lannon)
6. 07:19 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/07/08 (Jill Gernetzke)
7. 07:21 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 06/08/08 (Jill Gernetzke)
8. 07:22 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/09/08 (Jill Gernetzke)
9. 07:26 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/07/08 (Jill Gernetzke)
10. 07:33 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 06/08/08 (Jill Gernetzke)
11. 07:33 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/09/08 (Jill Gernetzke)
12. 10:47 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 06/12/08 (aeroconcept)
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Subject: | Re: New topic.. how but dem bears?... seriously Barry pedal |
mod?
Saw the prototype at ARS and sat in the plane they are installed in. Very nice!!
Contact Barry off-line or call his business (Worldwide Warbirds). I think
he has some set made and available for sale.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187954#187954
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Subject: | CJ6 for Sale Or Interesting Trade (LSA preferred) |
N700HS is now available for Sale or trade. Contact me off list for
all info. stanfrench@sbcglobal.net 9168040427
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Subject: | Engine For Sale 285hp |
I have a good 285 for sale, 500 SMOH, intake drains, Auto Ignition, spare
exhaust plumbed for smoke system, been on oil filter since in States, Oil
analysis done every 50 hrs shows a good engine, runs strong! The only
reason
for
putting the engine up for sale is that I swapped over to a M14P "Rat"
engine
from Bill
Blackwell. The 285 has been maintained by Blackwell since in the States as
well.
$6,500 plus shipping.
Scott Andrews
602-705-4413
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2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)
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Can someone tell me how to:
1. Remove the Push to Talk Switch on the throttle of a CJ 6. I can
remove the button by unscrewing it, but do not see how to get the switch body
out of the handle.
2. Remove the "ball" on top of the Manual Fuel Pump handle or
on top of the Fuel Shut Off. Are they glued on? If so can they be remved
without breaking.
Thanks for the advice,
Roger Bieberdorf
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1. Small set screw at the bottom
2. I don't think so but have never had occasion to do that
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Bieberdorf
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Need Advice
Can someone tell me how to:
1. Remove the Push to Talk Switch on the throttle of a CJ 6. I can remove
the button by unscrewing it, but do not see how to get the switch body out
of the handle.
2. Remove the "ball" on top of the Manual Fuel Pump handle or on top
of the Fuel Shut Off. Are they glued on? If so can they be remved without breaking.
Thanks for the advice,
Roger Bieberdorf
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Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/07/08 |
We will be closed from June 9th thru June 12th and open for buiness
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> 2. 08:17 AM - Lycoming Announces Auto-Gas Approval Program
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> 3. 03:32 PM - Re: Pony Bottle with hose attachment for sale!
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> From: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 06/06/08
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> From: "Blitz Fox" <byronmfox@aol.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Lycoming Announces Auto-Gas Approval Program
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> Would one of our experts explain why the seals in an IO-360 are any
> different than
> ours. Does the type of auto gas noted lack ethonol? Thanks, Blitz
>
> Lycoming Announces Auto-Gas Approval Program
>
> June 4, 2008
> By Mary Grady, Contributing editor
>
> Recognizing global concerns about the immediate and long-term
> availability of aviation-grade 100LL fuel, Lycoming Engines announced
> (http://www.lycoming.com/news-and-events/press-releases/release-06-02
> -08.jsp) this week that it is working to get approval for the use of
> unleaded automotive gasoline for its standard-compression-ratio O-360
> and IO-360 product lines. Ian Walsh, general manager for Lycoming
> Engines, told AVweb the approval will not require any modification to
> the engines, the fuel will not need any additives or special
> treatment, and there will be no degradation in engine performance.
> "It's essentially a paperwork drill, to make this happen," he said. He
> expects to have approval from the FAA by this fall, but owners cannot
> implement the change until the airplane also gets certified. That is
> up to the manufacturers, Walsh said, and he could not estimate how
> long that would take, but said it is also essentially a paperwork
> issue. The engines will require a specific
>
> type of unleaded 93 AKI automotive gas, designated as Euro Norm
> EN228 (in Europe)
> or ASTM D4814 (in the U.S.). This fuel is not difficult to find, Walsh
> said,
> but users must verify that they are getting that particular type --
> not just
> any unleaded auto gas will do.
>
> The entire article may be viewed at
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/
> LycomingAnnounces_AutoGasApprovalProgram_198039-1.html
>
> (c) CLIENT_COPYRIGHT
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> Time: 03:32:27 PM PST US
> From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pony Bottle with hose attachment for sale!
>
> Sure!- Send it to me and I will get you a check as soon as it arrives.
> =0AMark Bitterlich=0A4626 Old Cherry Point Rd=0ANew Bern, NC
> 28560=0A=0A=0A
> =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Tim Gagnon
> <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>=0AT
> o: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:08:46
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> Yak-List me
> ssage posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>=0A=0AI have a
> small pon
> y bottle (6 cu. feet) and hose attachment with shrader fitting. It is
> perfe
> ct size for one or two starts....=0A=0ASold airplane and was going to
> keep
> this for SCUBA...I decided to use another style instead.=0A=0AIt comes
> with
> bottle, sleeve, hose..and shipping.=0A=0AFirst come first serve.
> =0A=0A$13
> 0.00. =0A=0AThis is the exact
> bottle....=0A=0Ahttp://www.scuba.com/scuba-ge
> ar-200/043068-042005-004094/Sherwood-6-Cubic-Foot-Aluminum-
> Tank.html=0A=0A
> =0A=0A=0ARead this topic online
> here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/view
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Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 06/08/08 |
We will be closed from June 9th thru June 12th and open for buiness
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Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/09/08 |
We will be closed from June 9th thru June 12th and open for buiness
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> 1. 08:45 AM - Dorm rooms at Oshkosh - two available (Hal)
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> Time: 08:45:36 AM PST US
> From: Hal <yakjock@gmail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Dorm rooms at Oshkosh - two available
>
> I have reserved two dorm rooms at OSH that are more than I will
> need. Anyone interested in having them please contact me today as I
> will be
> turning them back in tomorrow. 503-704-6559 or Yakjock@gmail.com.
> (yes, I
> am coming to Osh - have rented a house.)
>
> Hal Morley
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> From: "dabear" <Dabear@damned.org>
> Subject: Yak-List: FAA Flight Doc
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> Anyone one the list an approved FAA Flight Doc? I'd like to ask a
> couple of questions if someone is willing to talk on the phone.
> Please
> contact me off list.
>
> DaBear
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Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/07/08 |
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> Gernetzke)
> 2. 08:17 AM - Lycoming Announces Auto-Gas Approval Program
> (Blitz Fox)
> 3. 03:32 PM - Re: Pony Bottle with hose attachment for sale!
> (Yak Pilot)
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> Time: 05:39:57 AM PST US
> From: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 06/06/08
>
>
> We will be closed from June 9th thru June 12th and open for buiness
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> M-14P, Inc.
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> Time: 08:17:50 AM PST US
> From: "Blitz Fox" <byronmfox@aol.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Lycoming Announces Auto-Gas Approval Program
>
>
> You have been sent this message from byronmfox@aol.com as a courtesy
> of AVwebFlash (http://www.avweb.com).
>
> Would one of our experts explain why the seals in an IO-360 are any
> different than
> ours. Does the type of auto gas noted lack ethonol? Thanks, Blitz
>
> Lycoming Announces Auto-Gas Approval Program
>
> June 4, 2008
> By Mary Grady, Contributing editor
>
> Recognizing global concerns about the immediate and long-term
> availability of aviation-grade 100LL fuel, Lycoming Engines announced
> (http://www.lycoming.com/news-and-events/press-releases/release-06-02
> -08.jsp) this week that it is working to get approval for the use of
> unleaded automotive gasoline for its standard-compression-ratio O-360
> and IO-360 product lines. Ian Walsh, general manager for Lycoming
> Engines, told AVweb the approval will not require any modification to
> the engines, the fuel will not need any additives or special
> treatment, and there will be no degradation in engine performance.
> "It's essentially a paperwork drill, to make this happen," he said. He
> expects to have approval from the FAA by this fall, but owners cannot
> implement the change until the airplane also gets certified. That is
> up to the manufacturers, Walsh said, and he could not estimate how
> long that would take, but said it is also essentially a paperwork
> issue. The engines will require a specific
>
> type of unleaded 93 AKI automotive gas, designated as Euro Norm
> EN228 (in Europe)
> or ASTM D4814 (in the U.S.). This fuel is not difficult to find, Walsh
> said,
> but users must verify that they are getting that particular type --
> not just
> any unleaded auto gas will do.
>
> The entire article may be viewed at
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/
> LycomingAnnounces_AutoGasApprovalProgram_198039-1.html
>
> (c) CLIENT_COPYRIGHT
>
>
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> _____________________________________
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> Time: 03:32:27 PM PST US
> From: Yak Pilot <yakplt@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pony Bottle with hose attachment for sale!
>
> Sure!- Send it to me and I will get you a check as soon as it arrives.
> =0AMark Bitterlich=0A4626 Old Cherry Point Rd=0ANew Bern, NC
> 28560=0A=0A=0A
> =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Tim Gagnon
> <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>=0AT
> o: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:08:46
> PM=0ASubject
> : Yak-List: Pony Bottle with hose attachment for sale!=0A=0A-->
> Yak-List me
> ssage posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>=0A=0AI have a
> small pon
> y bottle (6 cu. feet) and hose attachment with shrader fitting. It is
> perfe
> ct size for one or two starts....=0A=0ASold airplane and was going to
> keep
> this for SCUBA...I decided to use another style instead.=0A=0AIt comes
> with
> bottle, sleeve, hose..and shipping.=0A=0AFirst come first serve.
> =0A=0A$13
> 0.00. =0A=0AThis is the exact
> bottle....=0A=0Ahttp://www.scuba.com/scuba-ge
> ar-200/043068-042005-004094/Sherwood-6-Cubic-Foot-Aluminum-
> Tank.html=0A=0A
> =0A=0A=0ARead this topic online
> here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/view
> ===============
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 06/08/08 |
We will be closed from June 9th thru June 12th and open for buiness
again on June 16th.
M-14P, Inc.
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Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/09/08 |
We will be closed from June 9th thru June 12th and open for buiness
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> 1. 08:45 AM - Dorm rooms at Oshkosh - two available (Hal)
> 2. 10:54 AM - FAA Flight Doc (dabear)
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> Time: 08:45:36 AM PST US
> From: Hal <yakjock@gmail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Dorm rooms at Oshkosh - two available
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> I have reserved two dorm rooms at OSH that are more than I will
> need. Anyone interested in having them please contact me today as I
> will be
> turning them back in tomorrow. 503-704-6559 or Yakjock@gmail.com.
> (yes, I
> am coming to Osh - have rented a house.)
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> Hal Morley
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> Time: 10:54:51 AM PST US
> From: "dabear" <Dabear@damned.org>
> Subject: Yak-List: FAA Flight Doc
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> Anyone one the list an approved FAA Flight Doc? I'd like to ask a
> couple of questions if someone is willing to talk on the phone.
> Please
> contact me off list.
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> DaBear
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Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 06/12/08 |
The point was certainly not to excuse - or to accuse somebody, this being a judge's
job. Being myself part of the trade, I hope that what happened, will help
the Yak community sort out the legitimate players.
Ilia "something" Palamodov
Aeroconcept Trading
www.aero-concept.com
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