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| Subject: | Re: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the |
Hi
Am in the same boat with this guy.He has taken money from me 2 years ago to supply
an 18T.Delivery should have been in may 2007.Still waiting.As you say we as
the buyer are powerless once a deposit has been paid.Know damn well that any
legal action will just add to the lost money,because so many people are after
him for money.Cant understand how he has managed to fleece quite so many people
for so long without the authorities catching up to him.I bet he goes nowhere
near a Lithuanian jail.Ananbaras is a limited company,and I bet all the property/land
etc is in his wifes name.Declare bankruptcy and walk away with a slap
on the wrist.
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| Subject: | Re: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the |
Liutauras has probably defrauded more people than we know about.
I personally know of one man who is out a large sum of money.
For fun, I contacted Liutaurus and he offered to sell me a Yak 18T, and deliver
it right here to me in Phoenix. Guess he is not exclusive through his reps in
the USA.
Here is what he offered to sell me.
These look familiar to anyone?
S/N 1: 6200811 Mfg'd 5-4-1976
S/N 2: 7202015 Mfg'd 12-16-77
S/N 3: 7201415 Mfg'd 10-30-77
Tom Johnson
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| Subject: | RE: Yak-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/14/08 |
Doug,
First of all, my name is Michael, Michael Hanshew to be exact. I made no
pretense of trying to hide who I am.
Secondly, I have made no assumptions. I have full, clear knowledge of the
situation having been involved from the very beginning. Do not doubt that
there is basis for my comments.
I mentioned no names in my post. I owe no one an apology. It is very obvious
from other comments that there are two broker/agents who fit the
description.
To see someone very close to me being taken advantage of is very
troublesome. You yourself have stated that when you could not produce as
agreed you returned the deposits. That was the honorable thing to do, and
congratulate you for realizing where the responsibility ultimately lies.
I can only hope others do the same.
Michael Hanshew
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1. 01:35 AM - Re: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (Phil
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Time: 01:35:14 AM PST US
From: "Phil Gower" <philgower@rappsystems.com.au>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
Hi this is my first post to the list an hope it works. Regarding with
whom to deal in the purchase of a YAK, I did a lot of research before
deciding to do business with Richard Goode and having done so I can't
praise his professionalism and communication highly enough in the
transaction I had with him which was to purchase a YAK18T from a
location in Europe.
The aircraft is as described, travelled well by container from Hungary,
and is now sitting in a hangar just down the road from me with all the
documentation, ready for Australian registration.
He has a good reputation among the people that frequent this list and
for good reason. Cheers, Phil Gower, Toowoomba.
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Time: 08:22:38 AM PST US
From: <f4ffm2@ADELPHIA.NET>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: Yak-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 06/12/08
Hi Doug,
Usually, I find your posts here to be a refreshing voice of logic and
reason
on this forum that is at times not really a bastion of well thought out
ideas.
This time, however, I am on the other side of the fence from you.
First,
I thought you were a bit far out in jumping Mike Hanshew for not putting his
name
underneath his message...when he clearly identified himself in the message
origin.
For, the record Mike Hanshew is one of the most talented, straight
forward
and respectable members of the Yak/CJ community that there is. He has a
very
nice Yak 52 and I have had the pleasure of flying with him in that airplane.
He is truly one of the good guys.
This festering sore of Liutauras Dzuisas and his business practices
needs
to be resolved in some way. I must say that I don't have a really workable
suggestion
as to how this could be done. It least, the whole ugly mess needs to
be exposed to the Yak/CJ community. I think that there are some people
involved
in this ugliness that should comment directly about their involvement and
what, from their viewpoint, "really happened".
A recent post by Ilia somebody excusing this as poor Liatauras having
bad
luck and being forced into a "Ponzi" scheme to try to save his business,
etc.,
is pure hog wash. Ponzi scheme or not, what this guy Dzuisas was/is doing
is
simply a continuing criminal enterprise. Whoever started this thread (maybe
Schrick) was right, simply put, the man should be put in jail AFTER whatever
assets
he has are returned to his trusting victims.
Doug, what appears to have rattled your cage here was Mike's assertion
that
broker (or brokers) involved here have some culpability. If I read you
right
that you don't think that they do, I must say that I think you are 100%
wrong
PARTICULARLY if they have a reason to even suspect that their source is less
than reliable.
In this case, it appears that one broker (wouldn't "agent" be a better
term
here?) continued to take deposits of 50% on airplanes to be delivered by
Dzuisas
even AFTER he knew that Dzuisas wasn't delivering airplanes as agreed.
In a first deal situation, being cheated by a supposed seller who
doesn't
perform kind of puts everybody in the "victim" status. But for a
dealer/broker/agent
to then continue to take 50% deposits for airplanes from a source that
HE KNOWS has not performed honorably in the past raises questions about that
persons character and integrity.
For such a person, who appears to me to have been acting as agent, to
then
remain silent when it becomes public knowledge that the seller (Dzuisas, in
this
case) is conducting a continuing criminal enterprise raises really
uncomfortable
possibilities. Those involved need to speak out....and sooner rather than
later.
Thanks for listening.
Roger Baker
---- doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since in your hast to be critical you did not sign your email I can only
> assume your name is really is Michael.....
>
> Michael,
> You have stated the obvious about making a profit, and then you go on to
> make assumptions way outside the scope of your knowledge of the situation.
> I don't mean to be harsh but none of the "brokers" that I know of
(including
> myself) have any intention of expecting the customer to assume the loss.
> They are honorable folks caught up in a bad situation, and I seriously
doubt
> that there is any basis for your your comments. In my situation
> I gave deposits back on 4 engines when this gentlemen did not ship, and I
> would expect that if it becomes apparent that he is not going to provide
the
> aircraft a similar action will make the customer whole again.
>
> The reason this dialogue was started in the first place was not to cast
> doubt or question the honor or intentions of the brokers involved, but to
> utilize the far reaching readership of the Yak list in an attempt to stop
> any more people from being sucked into a similar situation. If you
> personally know the folks involved and have heard them say that they
expect
> the customer to absorb the loss then there is a basis for your email, but
I
> can assure the readership that this is NOT the case and I personally take
> great offense at your saying that this is our intentions or is a
reflection
> of how we operate.
>
> You owe the brokers involved an apology, but since you didn't even sign
your
> email I doubt you are a big enough man to admit that you mis spoke.
>
> My name and contact information is below should you wish to contact me.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Michael Hanshew <michael@sf2racing.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have been reading with great interest the many posts concerning
Litaurus.
> > My concern would be the lack of responsibility on behalf of the aircraft
> > brokers involved. We have two individuals in business brokering
airplanes.
> > I
> > say "business" because I am sure there is profit involved in the
> > transaction, or else why bother? The people who placed deposits on
> > airplanes, were they advised that ultimately they were dealing with some
> > one
> > of less than reputable reputation? I think not. I am fairly certain the
> > deposits were sent to the brokers, not Lithuania. At that point the
> > responsibility lies with the broker. If you chose to represent people
who
> > are known to be less than reputable, you take the risk of soiling your
own
> > reputation. You took the risk, now you are expecting people who gave YOU
> > the
> > deposits to assume the loss? If the transaction would have gone smoothly
> > would you have returned your commissions? I think not. To separate
oneself
> > from this responsibility, to "pass the buck" instead of returning
earnest
> > money and accepting responsibility for your own poor judgment I find
> > appalling.
> >
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> > 1. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: YAK 52 FUEL TANK STRAPS (warren hallstrom)
> > 2. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the w ord out (Roger Kemp MD)
> > 3. 08:04 AM - Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > the word out (mougellionel@aol.com)
> > 4. 09:10 AM - Re: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get the word out (doug sapp)
> > 5. 09:40 AM - Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > the (frenchsukhoi)
> > 6. 09:49 AM - Re : Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in
JAIL
> > (get the (mougellionel@aol.com)
> > 7. 10:03 AM - Re : Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in
JAIL
> > (get (frenchsukhoi)
> > 8. 09:23 PM - Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the
w
> > ord ou (Tim Gagnon)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:35:48 AM PST US
> > From: warren hallstrom <aviat501@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: YAK 52 FUEL TANK STRAPS
> >
> > Dennis
> > I will make up a set straps to support the tanks midsection.. In
response
> > to your
> > previous E Mail on my vent system, the aircraft has been modified with
the
> > dual vents. Thanks for the info on the fuel bladder mod.
> >
> > Warren
> >
> >
> > The CJ straps will not fit.
> > Dennis
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "warren552"
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:01 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: YAK 52 FUEL TANK STRAPS
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Doug,
> > > maybe someone on the YAK list has experience with the CJ
> > > straps in regard to modifying them to work in the YAK.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187214#187214
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> > Time: 07:58:55 AM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > the w
> > ord out
> >
> > Yeah but are you guys going to get your airplanes out of him before he
> > goes?
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > netmaster15@juno.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > the w ord out
> >
> >
> > Remi, I could have told you that some years back.
> > CLIFF
> > -- "frenchsukhoi" <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr> wrote:
> >
> > Don't worry...it won't take a long time now. Lithuanians jails are
cold!!!
> >
> >
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> > Time: 08:04:10 AM PST US
> > Subject: Re : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > the
> > word out
> > From: mougellionel@aol.com
> >
> > Maybe you could join him in jail with your business partner in the same
> > time
> > =C2- ....
> >
> > Lionel Mougel
> >
> > French air force
> >
> >
> > -----E-mail d'origine-----
> > De : frenchsukhoi <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> > A : yak-list@matronics.com
> > Envoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi, 12 Juin 2008 1:21
> > Sujet : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the
> > wor
> > d out
> >
> >
> > Don't worry...it won't take a long time now. Lithuanians jails are
cold!!!
> >
> >
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> > Time: 09:10:20 AM PST US
> > From: "doug sapp" <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Re : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in
JAIL
> > (get
> > the word out
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:01 AM, <mougellionel@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you could join him in jail with your business partner in the
same
> > > time ....
> > >
> > > Lionel Mougel
> > >
> > > French air force
> > >
> >
> > Geeze guys, where did that come from?
> >
> > Doc does have a point, intentional or not he has touched on the reason
this
> > scoundrel is still in business. That point is very simply this: Hope
> > springs eternal! Once he has your deposit you have no choice but to
hope
> > that he WILL do what he says, if you wait long enough. And we all feel
tha
> > t
> > if we rock the boat to violently we will get nothing, so we have no
choice
> > but to remain quiet and hope for the best. In the mean time this jerk
goes
> > about his business of screwing even more folks in the flying community.
> > Personally I think the guy really does intend to do what he says he will
do
> > ,
> > but for one reason or another he gets himself in a financial jamb and so
he
> > sells the same plane twice or takes a deposit on something he does not
even
> > have yet. In my situation he took a 50% deposit on 4 engines, 24 hours
> > after he rec'd my deposit he canceled two of the engines and refused to
> > refund the deposit on the cancelled engines. So now he has full payment
fo
> > r
> > the two engines! Very slick indeed!! He then sold my engines to
another
> > party here in the states, not once but TWICE and only after I threatened
hi
> > m
> > with legal action, Dennis visited him, and I waited more than 2 years
did
> > he finally send my engines. Yes folks this guy needs to be put in jail,
> > hopefully that will happen after Dennis gets his aircraft. But as Doc
> > hinted somebody is going to be left holding the bag when it happens.
What
> > we need to do is to get the word out about him or better than that, go
over
> > there and "talk to him by hand", he obviously need an attitude
adjustment.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:01 AM, <mougellionel@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you could join him in jail with your business partner in the
same
> > > time ....
> > >
> > > Lionel Mougel
> > >
> > > French air force
> > >
> > >
> > > -----E-mail d'origine-----
> > > De : frenchsukhoi <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> > > A : yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi, 12 Juin 2008 1:21
> > > Sujet : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
the
> > > word out
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't worry...it won't take a long time now. Lithuanians jails are
cold!!
> > !
> > >
> > >
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> > --
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> > Doug Sapp
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> > Time: 09:40:13 AM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > the
> > From: "frenchsukhoi" <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> >
> >
> > Hello Lionel,
> >
> > Why you tell that?
> >
> > Rmi
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187605#187605
> >
> >
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> >
> > Time: 09:49:28 AM PST US
> > Subject: Re : Yak-List: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in
JAIL
> > (get
> > the
> > From: mougellionel@aol.com
> >
> >
> > I said that in regards of two things :
> >
> > Firstly , a L 39 in the south east maybe Mr Iturria or Barbier could
> > refresh
> > your mind
> > second , a yak 52 sold to two of my other friends from the french air
force
> > officer school
> >
> > i think it's enough to argue that i said
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> > -----E-mail d'origine-----
> > De : frenchsukhoi <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> > A : yak-list@matronics.com
> > Envoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi, 12 Juin 2008 18:37
> > Sujet : Yak-List: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > th
> > e
> >
> >
> > Hello Lionel,
> > Why you tell that?
> > R=C3=83=C2=A9mi
> >
> >
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> >
> > Time: 10:03:38 AM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re : Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in
JAIL
> > (get
> > From: "frenchsukhoi" <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> >
> >
> > Dear Lionel,
> >
> > 1) L39 in the south?
> >
> > 2) You friends from French Air Force: the problem is that this Yak-52
was
> > supposed
> > to be delivered by Liutauras...but as usually nothing happened after we
> > paid
> > the deposit. I am between Liutauras and your friends without any power
to
> > act...only
> > legal way as I do now. I never stolen anybody and I will not start to
> > stole someone today. I'm just claiming against Anabaras to take my
deposit
> > back
> > and I soon as will receive the money I will give it back to your
friends.
> > I'm not a bad guy and situation is pretty complicate for me...Dennis
> > SAVARESE
> > can confirm this.
> >
> > Best regards Lionel,
> >
> > Rmi
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187609#187609
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 8
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:23:04 PM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
the w
> > ord
> > ou
> > From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
> >
> >
> > How about we stop doing business with anyone over there? What will that
> > do...maybe
> > put pressure on those that are honest to take some sort of action
against
> > those that are not...a from of peer pressure.
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187696#187696
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 08:22:38 AM PST US
From: <f4ffm2@ADELPHIA.NET>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: Yak-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 06/12/08
---- doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since in your hast to be critical you did not sign your email I can only
> assume your name is really is Michael.....
>
> Michael,
> You have stated the obvious about making a profit, and then you go on to
> make assumptions way outside the scope of your knowledge of the situation.
> I don't mean to be harsh but none of the "brokers" that I know of
(including
> myself) have any intention of expecting the customer to assume the loss.
> They are honorable folks caught up in a bad situation, and I seriously
doubt
> that there is any basis for your your comments. In my situation
> I gave deposits back on 4 engines when this gentlemen did not ship, and I
> would expect that if it becomes apparent that he is not going to provide
the
> aircraft a similar action will make the customer whole again.
>
> The reason this dialogue was started in the first place was not to cast
> doubt or question the honor or intentions of the brokers involved, but to
> utilize the far reaching readership of the Yak list in an attempt to stop
> any more people from being sucked into a similar situation. If you
> personally know the folks involved and have heard them say that they
expect
> the customer to absorb the loss then there is a basis for your email, but
I
> can assure the readership that this is NOT the case and I personally take
> great offense at your saying that this is our intentions or is a
reflection
> of how we operate.
>
> You owe the brokers involved an apology, but since you didn't even sign
your
> email I doubt you are a big enough man to admit that you mis spoke.
>
> My name and contact information is below should you wish to contact me.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Michael Hanshew <michael@sf2racing.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have been reading with great interest the many posts concerning
Litaurus.
> > My concern would be the lack of responsibility on behalf of the aircraft
> > brokers involved. We have two individuals in business brokering
airplanes.
> > I
> > say "business" because I am sure there is profit involved in the
> > transaction, or else why bother? The people who placed deposits on
> > airplanes, were they advised that ultimately they were dealing with some
> > one
> > of less than reputable reputation? I think not. I am fairly certain the
> > deposits were sent to the brokers, not Lithuania. At that point the
> > responsibility lies with the broker. If you chose to represent people
who
> > are known to be less than reputable, you take the risk of soiling your
own
> > reputation. You took the risk, now you are expecting people who gave YOU
> > the
> > deposits to assume the loss? If the transaction would have gone smoothly
> > would you have returned your commissions? I think not. To separate
oneself
> > from this responsibility, to "pass the buck" instead of returning
earnest
> > money and accepting responsibility for your own poor judgment I find
> > appalling.
> >
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> > 1. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: YAK 52 FUEL TANK STRAPS (warren hallstrom)
> > 2. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
> > the w ord out (Roger Kemp MD)
> > 3. 08:04 AM - Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > the word out (mougellionel@aol.com)
> > 4. 09:10 AM - Re: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
> > (get the word out (doug sapp)
> > 5. 09:40 AM - Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > the (frenchsukhoi)
> > 6. 09:49 AM - Re : Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in
JAIL
> > (get the (mougellionel@aol.com)
> > 7. 10:03 AM - Re : Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in
JAIL
> > (get (frenchsukhoi)
> > 8. 09:23 PM - Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the
w
> > ord ou (Tim Gagnon)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:35:48 AM PST US
> > From: warren hallstrom <aviat501@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: YAK 52 FUEL TANK STRAPS
> >
> > Dennis
> > I will make up a set straps to support the tanks midsection.. In
response
> > to your
> > previous E Mail on my vent system, the aircraft has been modified with
the
> > dual vents. Thanks for the info on the fuel bladder mod.
> >
> > Warren
> >
> >
> > The CJ straps will not fit.
> > Dennis
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "warren552"
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:01 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: YAK 52 FUEL TANK STRAPS
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Doug,
> > > maybe someone on the YAK list has experience with the CJ
> > > straps in regard to modifying them to work in the YAK.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187214#187214
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:58:55 AM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > the w
> > ord out
> >
> > Yeah but are you guys going to get your airplanes out of him before he
> > goes?
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > netmaster15@juno.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > the w ord out
> >
> >
> > Remi, I could have told you that some years back.
> > CLIFF
> > -- "frenchsukhoi" <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr> wrote:
> >
> > Don't worry...it won't take a long time now. Lithuanians jails are
cold!!!
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
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> > Time: 08:04:10 AM PST US
> > Subject: Re : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > the
> > word out
> > From: mougellionel@aol.com
> >
> > Maybe you could join him in jail with your business partner in the same
> > time
> > =C2- ....
> >
> > Lionel Mougel
> >
> > French air force
> >
> >
> > -----E-mail d'origine-----
> > De : frenchsukhoi <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> > A : yak-list@matronics.com
> > Envoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi, 12 Juin 2008 1:21
> > Sujet : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get the
> > wor
> > d out
> >
> >
> > Don't worry...it won't take a long time now. Lithuanians jails are
cold!!!
> >
> >
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> > Time: 09:10:20 AM PST US
> > From: "doug sapp" <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Re : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in
JAIL
> > (get
> > the word out
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:01 AM, <mougellionel@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you could join him in jail with your business partner in the
same
> > > time ....
> > >
> > > Lionel Mougel
> > >
> > > French air force
> > >
> >
> > Geeze guys, where did that come from?
> >
> > Doc does have a point, intentional or not he has touched on the reason
this
> > scoundrel is still in business. That point is very simply this: Hope
> > springs eternal! Once he has your deposit you have no choice but to
hope
> > that he WILL do what he says, if you wait long enough. And we all feel
tha
> > t
> > if we rock the boat to violently we will get nothing, so we have no
choice
> > but to remain quiet and hope for the best. In the mean time this jerk
goes
> > about his business of screwing even more folks in the flying community.
> > Personally I think the guy really does intend to do what he says he will
do
> > ,
> > but for one reason or another he gets himself in a financial jamb and so
he
> > sells the same plane twice or takes a deposit on something he does not
even
> > have yet. In my situation he took a 50% deposit on 4 engines, 24 hours
> > after he rec'd my deposit he canceled two of the engines and refused to
> > refund the deposit on the cancelled engines. So now he has full payment
fo
> > r
> > the two engines! Very slick indeed!! He then sold my engines to
another
> > party here in the states, not once but TWICE and only after I threatened
hi
> > m
> > with legal action, Dennis visited him, and I waited more than 2 years
did
> > he finally send my engines. Yes folks this guy needs to be put in jail,
> > hopefully that will happen after Dennis gets his aircraft. But as Doc
> > hinted somebody is going to be left holding the bag when it happens.
What
> > we need to do is to get the word out about him or better than that, go
over
> > there and "talk to him by hand", he obviously need an attitude
adjustment.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:01 AM, <mougellionel@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you could join him in jail with your business partner in the
same
> > > time ....
> > >
> > > Lionel Mougel
> > >
> > > French air force
> > >
> > >
> > > -----E-mail d'origine-----
> > > De : frenchsukhoi <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> > > A : yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Envoy=E9 le : Jeudi, 12 Juin 2008 1:21
> > > Sujet : Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
the
> > > word out
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't worry...it won't take a long time now. Lithuanians jails are
cold!!
> > !
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187463#187463
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Always Yakin,
> > Doug Sapp
> > Phone 509-826-4610
> > Fax 509-826-3644
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 5
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:40:13 AM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > the
> > From: "frenchsukhoi" <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> >
> >
> > Hello Lionel,
> >
> > Why you tell that?
> >
> > Rmi
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187605#187605
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:49:28 AM PST US
> > Subject: Re : Yak-List: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in
JAIL
> > (get
> > the
> > From: mougellionel@aol.com
> >
> >
> > I said that in regards of two things :
> >
> > Firstly , a L 39 in the south east maybe Mr Iturria or Barbier could
> > refresh
> > your mind
> > second , a yak 52 sold to two of my other friends from the french air
force
> > officer school
> >
> > i think it's enough to argue that i said
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> > -----E-mail d'origine-----
> > De : frenchsukhoi <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> > A : yak-list@matronics.com
> > Envoy=C3=A9 le : Jeudi, 12 Juin 2008 18:37
> > Sujet : Yak-List: Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL
(get
> > th
> > e
> >
> >
> > Hello Lionel,
> > Why you tell that?
> > R=C3=83=C2=A9mi
> >
> >
> > ead this topic online here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187605#187605
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> > Time: 10:03:38 AM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re : Re : Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in
JAIL
> > (get
> > From: "frenchsukhoi" <remi@frenchsukhoi.fr>
> >
> >
> > Dear Lionel,
> >
> > 1) L39 in the south?
> >
> > 2) You friends from French Air Force: the problem is that this Yak-52
was
> > supposed
> > to be delivered by Liutauras...but as usually nothing happened after we
> > paid
> > the deposit. I am between Liutauras and your friends without any power
to
> > act...only
> > legal way as I do now. I never stolen anybody and I will not start to
> > stole someone today. I'm just claiming against Anabaras to take my
deposit
> > back
> > and I soon as will receive the money I will give it back to your
friends.
> > I'm not a bad guy and situation is pretty complicate for me...Dennis
> > SAVARESE
> > can confirm this.
> >
> > Best regards Lionel,
> >
> > Rmi
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187609#187609
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 8
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:23:04 PM PST US
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Liutauras Dzuisas needs to be put in JAIL (get
the w
> > ord
> > ou
> > From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
> >
> >
> > How about we stop doing business with anyone over there? What will that
> > do...maybe
> > put pressure on those that are honest to take some sort of action
against
> > those that are not...a from of peer pressure.
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187696#187696
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
> Phone 509-826-4610
> Fax 509-826-3644
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