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1. 09:44 AM - Timing (Jim Bowerman)
2. 10:45 AM - Lone Star Red Star Photos (Jon Boede)
3. 11:01 AM - Re: Timing (Peter K. Van Staagen)
4. 01:26 PM - Re: Timing (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 01:30 PM - Re: Timing (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 01:36 PM - Re: Timing (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 01:44 PM - Re: Timing (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
8. 01:45 PM - Re: Timing (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
9. 01:48 PM - Intake Manifold Drains (CJcanuck)
10. 02:28 PM - Re: Timing (Peter K. Van Staagen)
11. 02:34 PM - Re: Timing (Peter K. Van Staagen)
12. 06:34 PM - egt (Aviatre)
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I have installed a new left magneto on my Yak52 and tried to time it to the
Right mag. It is about 5 degrees off and I have no more adjustment on the
studs. The aircraft seemed to be running fine on the right mag, so the
assumption was that it was timed correctly.
One other item, I know where the timing marks are on the prop hub, but
don't know where the marks are on the engine. Can anyone help me with the
location of the timing mark on the engine case?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Bowerman N52YA
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| Subject: | Lone Star Red Star Photos |
Some of the photos, anyway...
http://www.cwam.org/wiki/index.php/LSRS_Spring_08
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Just find TDC on Cylinder 1 and make a pointer that you can attach to the
gills to point to the O degree mark on the prop hub.
Pete
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bowerman
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Timing
I have installed a new left magneto on my Yak52 and tried to time it to the
Right mag. It is about 5 degrees off and I have no more adjustment on the
studs. The aircraft seemed to be running fine on the right mag, so the
assumption was that it was timed correctly.
One other item, I know where the timing marks are on the prop hub, but
don't know where the marks are on the engine. Can anyone help me with the
location of the timing mark on the engine case?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Bowerman N52YA
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Jim,
Timing a new magneto can be somewhat of a challenge. If you have a copy
of the M14 maintenance manual, it is highly recommended you go through
the installation procedure for a new magneto which is on page 205, Task
Card 202. Trying to explain this on the yak list is difficult to say
the least. Basically though, there are 3 timings that you must go
through; raw, course and fine.
Raw timing - setting the coupling on the bottom of the magneto to the
correct position prior to installing the magneto.
Course timing - adjustment of the magneto by rotating the magneto in the
slotted holes.
Fine timing - adjustment of the plate to which the points are mounted by
the eccentric screw on the opposite side of the points.
It is important that you following the procedure in the manual starting
with the setting of the coupling. Otherwise you will be chasing your
tail for a very long time.
Using a magneto synchronizer/timing box and after you have the mags
firing fairly close to each other, you can tweak the timing or
synchronize the mags using the concentric adjustment screw on the
opposite side of the points. You must loosen the large slotted screws
on the sides of the plate first. Do not loosen the small slotted screws
as these are loosened to adjust the point gap. (.25 to .35 mm or .010 to
.014). Point gap will also affect the timing position. But the most
important thing to do is to set the coupling on the bottom of the mag as
instructed in Task Card 202.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Bowerman
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:41 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Timing
I have installed a new left magneto on my Yak52 and tried to time it
to the Right mag. It is about 5 degrees off and I have no more
adjustment on the studs. The aircraft seemed to be running fine on the
right mag, so the assumption was that it was timed correctly.
One other item, I know where the timing marks are on the prop hub,
but don=92t know where the marks are on the engine. Can anyone help me
with the location of the timing mark on the engine case?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Bowerman N52YA
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That's correct Peter, but ONLY if the magneto has been properly timed
BEFORE installing it. ie: setting the coupling on the bottom of the mag
to the correct position as stated in the M14P manual, pg 205 Task Card
202.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter K. Van Staagen
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Timing
Just find TDC on Cylinder 1 and make a pointer that you can attach to
the gills to point to the O degree mark on the prop hub.
Pete
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bowerman
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:42 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Timing
I have installed a new left magneto on my Yak52 and tried to time it
to the Right mag. It is about 5 degrees off and I have no more
adjustment on the studs. The aircraft seemed to be running fine on the
right mag, so the assumption was that it was timed correctly.
One other item, I know where the timing marks are on the prop hub,
but don=92t know where the marks are on the engine. Can anyone help me
with the location of the timing mark on the engine case?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Bowerman N52YA
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BTW, you don't time the mags to cylinder #1. They are timed to cylinder
#4.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Timing
That's correct Peter, but ONLY if the magneto has been properly timed
BEFORE installing it. ie: setting the coupling on the bottom of the mag
to the correct position as stated in the M14P manual, pg 205 Task Card
202.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter K. Van Staagen
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Timing
Just find TDC on Cylinder 1 and make a pointer that you can attach
to the gills to point to the O degree mark on the prop hub.
Pete
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bowerman
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:42 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Timing
I have installed a new left magneto on my Yak52 and tried to time it
to the Right mag. It is about 5 degrees off and I have no more
adjustment on the studs. The aircraft seemed to be running fine on the
right mag, so the assumption was that it was timed correctly.
One other item, I know where the timing marks are on the prop hub,
but don=92t know where the marks are on the engine. Can anyone help me
with the location of the timing mark on the engine case?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Bowerman N52YA
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Jim, there are many adjustment points on these MAGS.
Remove the MAG from the engine. Look on the bottom of the MAG for the
coupling. This coupling is really slick. You will notice that if you
loosen one bolt that holds it on, you can turn the OTHER bolt and it
will move the whole coupling on the MAG shaft. Look carefully at this
thing, it is an ADJUSTABLE MECHANISM! Since you already know which
direction you need to go on the screw slots to get the 5 degrees more
that you need, you should be able to look at that coupling shaft and
adjust it in the correct direction. Be careful, a small adjustment goes
a long way. You can then put the mag back onto the engine, and try to
sync the darn thing. By a lot of trial and error, you can even end up
getting it synced with the screw slot holes for the mag itself "in the
middle" per se. Lastly, there is a fine tuning screw opposite of the
points themselves. This is one of those "egg shaped" deals that as you
turn it, it moves the assembly. I think it is actually moving the
breaker plate for the points. This is kind of the way that a vacuum
advance breaker plate advances the timing on a automobile distributor.
ANYWAY... With that knowledge, and a lot of time and patience you can
get from to your goal. It's not a lot of fun, but it is a worthwhile
learning experience.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter K. Van
Staagen
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 13:54
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Timing
Just find TDC on Cylinder 1 and make a pointer that you can attach to
the gills to point to the O degree mark on the prop hub.
Pete
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bowerman
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Timing
I have installed a new left magneto on my Yak52 and tried to time it to
the Right mag. It is about 5 degrees off and I have no more adjustment
on the studs. The aircraft seemed to be running fine on the right mag,
so the assumption was that it was timed correctly.
One other item, I know where the timing marks are on the prop hub, but
don't know where the marks are on the engine. Can anyone help me with
the location of the timing mark on the engine case?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Bowerman N52YA
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I can't believe we were typing an answer to this at the same time
Dennis. Sheesh. Your answer was better than mine.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 16:25
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Timing
That's correct Peter, but ONLY if the magneto has been properly timed
BEFORE installing it. ie: setting the coupling on the bottom of the mag
to the correct position as stated in the M14P manual, pg 205 Task Card
202.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter K. Van Staagen <mailto:petervs@knology.net>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Timing
Just find TDC on Cylinder 1 and make a pointer that you can
attach to the gills to point to the O degree mark on the prop hub.
Pete
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bowerman
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:42 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Timing
I have installed a new left magneto on my Yak52 and tried to
time it to the Right mag. It is about 5 degrees off and I have no more
adjustment on the studs. The aircraft seemed to be running fine on the
right mag, so the assumption was that it was timed correctly.
One other item, I know where the timing marks are on the prop
hub, but don't know where the marks are on the engine. Can anyone help
me with the location of the timing mark on the engine case?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Bowerman N52YA
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| Subject: | Intake Manifold Drains |
Hi All!
I'm looking for an intake manifold drain kit, or at the very least the plug ends
that will thread into the manifold itself. I have the stock Housai engine and
manifold sections.
I've talked to Doug Sapp and Jim Kimball and neither carry them, at least not for
the HS-6, and I'm under the impression the plugs for the M-14p don't fit.
>From a cost perspective replacing the intake manifold for this isn't really practical,
but I'd really like to speed up my aircraft prep time and quick drains
would sure do the trick!
Mike
Read this topic online here:
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Absolutely!
Peter
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Timing
That's correct Peter, but ONLY if the magneto has been properly timed BEFORE
installing it. ie: setting the coupling on the bottom of the mag to the
correct position as stated in the M14P manual, pg 205 Task Card 202.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter K. Van Staagen <mailto:petervs@knology.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Timing
Just find TDC on Cylinder 1 and make a pointer that you can attach to the
gills to point to the O degree mark on the prop hub.
Pete
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bowerman
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Timing
I have installed a new left magneto on my Yak52 and tried to time it to the
Right mag. It is about 5 degrees off and I have no more adjustment on the
studs. The aircraft seemed to be running fine on the right mag, so the
assumption was that it was timed correctly.
One other item, I know where the timing marks are on the prop hub, but
don't know where the marks are on the engine. Can anyone help me with the
location of the timing mark on the engine case?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Bowerman N52YA
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DOH! You are so right, my bad.
Guess I should keep my mouth shut!
Thanks,
Pete
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Timing
BTW, you don't time the mags to cylinder #1. They are timed to cylinder #4.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Timing
That's correct Peter, but ONLY if the magneto has been properly timed BEFORE
installing it. ie: setting the coupling on the bottom of the mag to the
correct position as stated in the M14P manual, pg 205 Task Card 202.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter K. Van Staagen <mailto:petervs@knology.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Timing
Just find TDC on Cylinder 1 and make a pointer that you can attach to the
gills to point to the O degree mark on the prop hub.
Pete
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bowerman
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Timing
I have installed a new left magneto on my Yak52 and tried to time it to the
Right mag. It is about 5 degrees off and I have no more adjustment on the
studs. The aircraft seemed to be running fine on the right mag, so the
assumption was that it was timed correctly.
One other item, I know where the timing marks are on the prop hub, but
don't know where the marks are on the engine. Can anyone help me with the
location of the timing mark on the engine case?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Bowerman N52YA
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I know settings are relative, and I always run on the rich side of peak. I should
have stated my question more clearly. What I was wondering was how many degrees
rich of peak, at say, 60% vs 75% Power?
Frank Surfas
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