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1. 03:22 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (Chris Wise)
2. 04:51 AM - Re: {Spam?} Re: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (Richard Goode)
3. 04:53 AM - Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (Ernest Martinez)
4. 05:05 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 05:31 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
6. 05:33 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (dabear)
7. 06:10 AM - Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (Dale)
8. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
10. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
11. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (Dave Jester)
12. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (Herb Coussons)
13. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (A. Dennis Savarese)
14. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership (Chris Wise)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership |
Yeah,
So what are you guys paying for fuel per litre?
Here in Australia we are now paying between Aust$ 1.83 to 1.90plus per
litre.
I actually paid $2.00 at some joint.
Our conversiom is 1 gallon = 4.546 litres.
The U.S. coversion is U.S. gallons X 3.8 to litres.
So at Aust$1.90 X 3.8 = $7.22 per U.S. gallon.
If we paid your U.S. gallon U.S.$4.45 divide by 3.8 = $1.17 a litre.
Way to go.
If you guys are crying now, how do you think we feel paying our rip off
price to fly a round engine at 60 litres an hour.
government are screwing us.
Cheers and enjoy it whilst you can.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale" <hdinamic@qwest.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 12:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
>
> 1.Cost of Plane $60,000 to 130,000 Plus loss of Interest on money.
> (investment loss=up to $6,500 per year, I didn't spend this much on fuel.)
> 2.Hangar $35,000 or $300 month ( more than most spend on fuel)
> 3.Maint per year$ $?To $3,000 ( did anyone spend less that this much on
> fuel )
> 4.Insurance $1,600 To $6,000 ( what's that about fuel )
> 5.Fuel $4.45 Gal ,
> 6. Oil toss up for fuel on cost. Not sure if I drip more than burn.
> 7. Try flying in Europe for these cost. Fuel $3eu liter?
> 8. Don't forget to set back $2.50 a hour for a air compressor. whew!
>
> Never understood someone selling their plane because of fuel going up and
> costing 20 bucks more a hour to fly when they invested this much to begin
> with.
> 9. I forgot the fun factor. Priceless. (for me but I'm worth it)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188845#188845
>
>
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> 11:52 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership |
We are paying the equivalent of US$11.88 for a US gallon[not
Imperial]for 100LL!!
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Wise
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: {Spam?} Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
Yeah,
So what are you guys paying for fuel per litre?
Here in Australia we are now paying between Aust$ 1.83 to 1.90plus per
litre.
I actually paid $2.00 at some joint.
Our conversiom is 1 gallon = 4.546 litres.
The U.S. coversion is U.S. gallons X 3.8 to litres.
So at Aust$1.90 X 3.8 = $7.22 per U.S. gallon.
If we paid your U.S. gallon U.S.$4.45 divide by 3.8 = $1.17 a litre.
Way to go.
If you guys are crying now, how do you think we feel paying our rip
off
price to fly a round engine at 60 litres an hour.
government are screwing us.
Cheers and enjoy it whilst you can.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale" <hdinamic@qwest.net>
To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 12:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
>
> 1.Cost of Plane $60,000 to 130,000 Plus loss of Interest on money.
> (investment loss=up to $6,500 per year, I didn't spend this much
on fuel.)
> 2.Hangar $35,000 or $300 month ( more than most spend on
fuel)
> 3.Maint per year$ $?To $3,000 ( did anyone spend less that this much
on
> fuel )
> 4.Insurance $1,600 To $6,000 ( what's that about fuel )
> 5.Fuel $4.45 Gal ,
> 6. Oil toss up for fuel on cost. Not sure if I drip more than burn.
> 7. Try flying in Europe for these cost. Fuel $3eu liter?
> 8. Don't forget to set back $2.50 a hour for a air compressor. whew!
>
> Never understood someone selling their plane because of fuel going
up and
> costing 20 bucks more a hour to fly when they invested this much to
begin
> with.
> 9. I forgot the fun factor. Priceless. (for me but I'm worth it)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188845#188845
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> 11:52 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership |
It happened to me a long time ago. And I own my own hangar and dont
have many of the expenses other people incurr. Sold the L-29 that was
a no brainer, sold the Bonanza, never used it, sold the CJ, fun factor
was wearing off, and fuel is only getting higer by the day, today its
$5.00, next year $8.00?
For the same $60 I can either fly for 45 min in the CJ, or spend an
entire weekend boating in SW florida sunshine burning, with air
conditioning, refridge, and Sat TV. And no annuals or FAA to deal with
to boot, and the only dress code is .....well there isnt any.
So I sold the CJ and bought a little 172 to take my sorry butt from
Central Fl, to SW Florida where the boat is docked. Cute little plane,
burns 8 gal an hour and slightly faster than the cars under me :).
Then again there's 2 other CJ's on the field where I live, I guess I
could always fly theirs :)
Ernie
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@fuse.net> wrote:
>
> I was in a McDonald's today here at Kirtland AFB and overheard a guy talking
airplanes. I guess he owns one and is concerned enough about the rising cost of
av-fuel that he is planning on selling his airplane. It made me think..at what
point will fuel have to get before people start parking or selling their Yaks
or CJ's. Mine is gone and fuel was one of many considerations in selling her.
(A new big house in a new town was the big one...)
>
> So...where does fuel have to be before people start getting really worried or
seriously curtail their flying...or has it already started to happen?
>
> I hope all is well with everyone!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188843#188843
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership |
8 GPH? In cruise flight? On an internal combustion engine of 620
cubic inches? I think every Yak and CJ owner would like to know your
secret. I certainly would and I've equipped my airplane with a fuel
flow instrument so I can see precisely what the fuel burn is in various
configurations. It's no where near 8 GPH regardless of whether I use
mogas or 100LL.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
Looks to me like yall are gluttons for punishment:
1. Cost of Plane I agree with but then I don't think they are losing
value like buying a new car does!!
2. Hanger? Nope shade: $1140. year or $95.00 per month
3. Maintenance: $200. for inspection and do my own work Auto Spark
Plugs as well, $1.95 each.
4. Insurance: $500.00 Liability only, take the risk?
5. Fuel: $3.80 p/gal. I use only mogas and have for years, send in
for the road tax refund as well.
6. Oil: About $735.00 per year for 200 hrs of flight time 50 hr
changes
7. Forget Europe
8. Pull the air compressor and completely clean the piston and ALL
the valves, I have never replaced one in 1000hrs of flying.
So you see, if your willing to work at it, it is still rather cheap,
and there is one thing for sure, it will only get more expensive, so fly
now as our time is running out!!
I figure my Nanchang burns about 8 GPH when running mogas as cost
compared to 100LL. So why are you running 100LL? The Chinese sure
didn't I can assure you of that!
Happy Flying!!
Bunndini for King!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale <hdinamic@qwest.net>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 7:42 pm
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
1.Cost of Plane $60,000 to 130,000 Plus loss of Interest on money.
(investment
loss=up to $6,500 per year, I didn't spend this much on fuel.)
2.Hangar $35,000 or $300 month ( more than most spend on
fuel)
3.Maint per year$ $?To $3,000 ( did anyone spend less that this much on
fuel )
4.Insurance $1,600 To $6,000 ( what's that about fuel )
5.Fuel $4.45 Gal ,
6. Oil toss up for fuel on cost. Not sure if I drip more than burn.
7. Try flying in Europe for these cost. Fuel $3eu liter?
8. Don't forget to set back $2.50 a hour for a air compressor. whew!
Never understood someone selling their plane because of fuel going up
and
costing 20 bucks more a hour to fly when they invested this much to
begin with.
9. I forgot the fun factor. Priceless. (for me but I'm worth it)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188845#188845
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership |
Dennis, I think he meant with the 172. I'm working on a Mustang II. I plan
to use an O-320 with CS prop. I hope to be in the 6-8gph range, and cruise (at
least) 150-165mph. It should have CJ like performance, but on near half the
fuel burn. Admittedly not as cool though!
Boyce
**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership |
Folks, I think we all agree the yaks/CJs are very economical warbirds. The
fun vs. cost factor is huge compared to many other airplanes. That said, we
are not all in the same financial situation. I'm not poor, nor crying poor.
But I can say that years ago I could afford and had time to fly 100-150
hours a year on my CJ. Now with gas prices and other prices climbing, it
affects my flying. Last year I flew 45 hours. Which I consider barely
enough to stay current. Maybe not enough to stay safe.
People talk about doing their own work. Some can, some can't. Others still
want to do the work, but also pay to have professionals maintain their birds
so they are safe as possible and reliable as possible. Annuals can run from
$2,500 to over $10,000 depending on issues found. Most of us don't skimp on
maintenance so these are important considerations.
I don't regret any penny I've spent flying and I certainly want to fly as
much as possible. I don't want to even consider selling the CJ. But there
will come a point when I don't fly enough to make it worth keeping. I'm
attaching the spreadsheet I did for the FlyRedStar web page. Look at it at
your own risk.
The value of the CJs are depressed right now. If I could get out of it what
I wanted/needed I'd be hard pressed not to sell. But since I probably
couldn't get the price I paid for it (prior to many upgrades including
engine/prop). I'm not selling.
Truely, the CJ/Yaks are inexpensive compared to many many airplanes and
most other warbirds. They are also great airplanes regardless of cost.
But, depending on an individuals financial situation, the cost to run per
hour eventually will affect the individuals decisision to keep the airplane.
DaBear
Yak/CJ Advocate and still looking for a partner in the DC area.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 12:12 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
>
> Great analogy!
> The price of gas is not the reason to sell the YAK or the CJ. Now the
> L29/39/9 or 11 maybe. Welcome to the T-6,Corsair, Spitfire, P-51 or P-47
> world 4 to 5 years ago. Now the cost to top those tanks at today's gas
> prices are a reason to park the fun machine.
> Yesterday for 12 gals @ $4.69/gal I had 47 min of sheer fun doing Cuban
> 8's, loops, split S 's, barrel rolls around the sun all following the low
> level up the river over the lake at sunset. Threw in a few ridge crossings
> over the building Qs over the lake during the acro session. What a great
> way
> to end a day after being in the office!
> The price of gas is not a reason to part with the YAK/CJ. We still have
> the
> cheapest most fun warbird to operate even at today's gas prices.
> Go fly and get an attitude adjustment! Sixty bucks for 3/4's hour of fun
> is
> not going to break us. It's the most fun we can have with on cloths on!
> Now $703 for 150 gal of JP4 may make me think about turning the L-39 into
> a
> static display.
>
> Doc
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:43 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
>
>
> 1.Cost of Plane $60,000 to 130,000 Plus loss of Interest on money.
> (investment loss=up to $6,500 per year, I didn't spend this much on fuel.)
> 2.Hangar $35,000 or $300 month ( more than most spend on fuel)
> 3.Maint per year$ $?To $3,000 ( did anyone spend less that this much on
> fuel
> )
> 4.Insurance $1,600 To $6,000 ( what's that about fuel )
> 5.Fuel $4.45 Gal ,
> 6. Oil toss up for fuel on cost. Not sure if I drip more than burn.
> 7. Try flying in Europe for these cost. Fuel $3eu liter?
> 8. Don't forget to set back $2.50 a hour for a air compressor. whew!
>
> Never understood someone selling their plane because of fuel going up and
> costing 20 bucks more a hour to fly when they invested this much to begin
> with.
> 9. I forgot the fun factor. Priceless. (for me but I'm worth it)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188845#188845
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership |
How about the guy who pays $459,999 for a new Cirrus / Columbia
and all the cost that goes along with these bad boys. I don't think fuel was their
first consideration. And three years later sell it for half the original price.
Then I like the people who pay $125,000 for a LSA to save on fuel? What's with
that logic.
If I want to save money flying I would buy a ticket on United.
I would take the bus.
Fish from a bridge.
Eat beans.
Going flying this morning 60 miles round trip to eat breakfast, Got to go prep
my YAK.
Everyone else can go to McDonalds.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188879#188879
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For the last 3 weeks while flying the B-24 I've watched 5 sometimes 8 people a
day pay $3,300 each?to fly in our new P-51C.??I watch 8 to 10 people at a time
pay $425?each,?to ride in the B-24 for 30 minutes.
Now this $3,300 is AND DOCUMENTED paid as a donation toward our foundation and
is therefore tax deductible.? This the same for the bombers.?
Like RPA the foundation is 501C-3.?
The time you spend practicing formation and reoccurrence for RPA events, plus the
expenses to and from events (S&F and OSH) is tax deductible.??
I have done this for years.? This amounts to several thousand dollars a year for
me.? Now every ones tax situation is different so check with your tax person.??I
HAVE ALWAYS HAD MY TAXES DONE BY PROFESSIONAL AND ASK THEIR ADVICE ON EVERY
THING.
What I'm trying to point out here, there is a way to off set SOME of the costs
of flying.? You?just must be willing to keep track of what you spend and record
it.
Since I am SOMEWHAT in charge?of what's happening in OSH this year under the RPA
name, the expenses of this trip?this year will be deducted on my tax form.?
This will offset some of the?cost.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
?
?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale <hdinamic@qwest.net>
Sent: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 9:07 am
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
How about the guy who pays $459,999 for a new Cirrus / Columbia
and all the cost that goes along with these bad boys. I don't think fuel was
their first consideration. And three years later sell it for half the original
price.
Then I like the people who pay $125,000 for a LSA to save on fuel? What's with
that logic.
If I want to save money flying I would buy a ticket on United.
I would take the bus.
Fish from a bridge.
Eat beans.
Going flying this morning 60 miles round trip to eat breakfast, Got to go prep
my YAK.
Everyone else can go to McDonalds.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188879#188879
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership |
Dennis if you read my post I said 8 gph as cost compared to 100LL.? If you are
paying $5.50 for 100LL and I am paying $3.80 for mogas and you are burning 14gph
it is costing you $77.00 per hour in fuel, it is only costing me $53.20 per
hour. So on a cost comparison pertaining to GPH I burn 9.67gph.? Its just a
novel way to compare it to guys that insist on using 100LL when they don't need
it.? I too have a EI fuel flow instrument, I show between 10.5 and 13.5 gph
in cruise depending on the mixture position. We have also made many fine tuning
adjustments to the carb for the correct combustion burn.? GO MO!!!
Bunndini for King!!
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 5:01 am
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
8 GPH??? In cruise flight?? On an internal
combustion engine of 620 cubic inches?? I think every Yak and CJ owner
would like to know?your secret.? I certainly would and I've equipped
my airplane with a fuel flow instrument so I can see precisely what the fuel
burn is in various configurations.? It's no where near 8 GPH regardless of
whether I use mogas or 100LL.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From:
vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:24
PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices
and aircraft ownership
Looks to me like yall are
gluttons for punishment:
1.? Cost of Plane I agree with but then I
don't think they are losing value like buying a new car does!!
2.?
Hanger?? Nope shade:? $1140. year or $95.00 per month
3.?
Maintenance:? $200. for inspection and do my own work Auto Spark Plugs as
well, $1.95 each.?
4.? Insurance:? $500.00 Liability only,
take the risk?
5.? Fuel:? $3.80 p/gal.? I use only mogas and
have for years, send in for the road tax refund as well.
6.?
Oil:? About $735.00 per year for 200 hrs of flight time 50 hr
changes
7.? Forget Europe
8.? Pull the air compressor and
completely clean the piston and ALL the valves, I have never replaced one in
1000hrs of flying.
So you see, if your willing to work at it, it is
still rather cheap, and there is one thing for sure, it will only get more
expensive, so fly now as our time is running out!!
I figure my Nanchang
burns about 8 GPH when running mogas as cost compared to 100LL.? So why
are you running 100LL?? The Chinese sure didn't I can assure you of
that!
Happy Flying!!
Bunndini for King!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale
<hdinamic@qwest.net>
Sent: Fri, 20 Jun
2008 7:42 pm
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft
ownership
1.Cost of Plane $60,000 to 130,000 Plus loss of Interest on money. (investment
loss=up to $6,500 per year, I didn't spend this much on fuel.)
2.Hangar $35,000 or $300 month ( more than most spend on fuel)
3.Maint per year$ $?To $3,000 ( did anyone spend less that this much on fuel )
4.Insurance $1,600 To $6,000 ( what's that about fuel )
5.Fuel $4.45 Gal ,
6. Oil toss up for fuel on cost. Not sure if I drip more than burn.
7. Try flying in Europe for these cost. Fuel $3eu liter?
8. Don't forget to set back $2.50 a hour for a air compressor. whew!
Never understood someone selling their plane because of fuel going up and
costing 20 bucks more a hour to fly when they invested this much to begin with.
9. I forgot the fun factor. Priceless. (for me but I'm worth it)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership |
Anyone out there ever figure out how to get around this clause contained in the
operating limitations for Experimental Exhibition Group III:? "No person may
operate this aircraft for carrying persons or property for compensation or hire."
My attorney says this even applies to receiving fuel for giving VIP rides.?? I
sure wish this one would go away!!
-----Original Message-----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 8:24 am
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
For the last 3 weeks while flying the B-24 I've watched 5 sometimes 8 people a
day pay $3,300 each?to fly in our new P-51C.??I watch 8 to 10 people at a time
pay $425?each,?to ride in the B-24 for 30 minutes.
Now this $3,300 is AND DOCUMENTED paid as a donation toward our foundation and
is therefore tax deductible.? This the same for the bombers.?
Like RPA the foundation is 501C-3.?
The time you spend practicing formation and reoccurrence for RPA events, plus the
expenses to and from events (S&F and OSH) is tax deductible.??
I have done this for years.? This amounts to several thousand dollars a year for
me.? Now every ones tax situation is different so check with your tax person.??I
HAVE ALWAYS HAD MY TAXES DONE BY PROFESSIONAL AND ASK THEIR ADVICE ON EVERY
THING.
What I'm trying to point out here, there is a way to off set SOME of the costs
of flying.? You?just must be willing to keep track of what you spend and record
it.
Since I am SOMEWHAT in charge?of what's happening in OSH this year under the RPA
name, the expenses of this trip?this year will be deducted on my tax form.?
This will offset some of the?cost.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
?
?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale <hdinamic@qwest.net>
Sent: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 9:07 am
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
How about the guy who pays $459,999 for a new Cirrus / Columbia
and all the cost that goes along with these bad boys. I don't think fuel was
their first consideration. And three years later sell it for half the original
price.
Then I like the people who pay $125,000 for a LSA to save on fuel? What's with
that logic.
If I want to save money flying I would buy a ticket on United.
I would take the bus.
Fish from a bridge.
Eat beans.
Going flying this morning 60 miles round trip to eat breakfast, Got to go prep
my YAK.
Everyone else can go to McDonalds.
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And over that 3 years they have taken a $250,000 deduction against
other income. Yes its still a loss in value but not as much as it
looks like.
On Jun 21, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Dale wrote:
>
> How about the guy who pays $459,999 for a new Cirrus / Columbia
> and all the cost that goes along with these bad boys. I don't think
> fuel was their first consideration. And three years later sell it
> for half the original price.
>
> Then I like the people who pay $125,000 for a LSA to save on fuel?
> What's with that logic.
>
> If I want to save money flying I would buy a ticket on United.
> I would take the bus.
> Fish from a bridge.
> Eat beans.
>
> Going flying this morning 60 miles round trip to eat breakfast, Got
> to go prep my YAK.
>
> Everyone else can go to McDonalds.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188879#188879
>
>
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OK. Thanks for clarifying.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
Dennis if you read my post I said 8 gph as cost compared to 100LL. If
you are paying $5.50 for 100LL and I am paying $3.80 for mogas and you
are burning 14gph it is costing you $77.00 per hour in fuel, it is only
costing me $53.20 per hour. So on a cost comparison pertaining to GPH I
burn 9.67gph. Its just a novel way to compare it to guys that insist on
using 100LL when they don't need it. I too have a EI fuel flow
instrument, I show between 10.5 and 13.5 gph in cruise depending on the
mixture position. We have also made many fine tuning adjustments to the
carb for the correct combustion burn. GO MO!!!
Bunndini for King!!
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 5:01 am
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
8 GPH? In cruise flight? On an internal combustion engine of 620
cubic inches? I think every Yak and CJ owner would like to know your
secret. I certainly would and I've equipped my airplane with a fuel
flow instrument so I can see precisely what the fuel burn is in various
configurations. It's no where near 8 GPH regardless of whether I use
mogas or 100LL.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
Looks to me like yall are gluttons for punishment:
1. Cost of Plane I agree with but then I don't think they are
losing value like buying a new car does!!
2. Hanger? Nope shade: $1140. year or $95.00 per month
3. Maintenance: $200. for inspection and do my own work Auto Spark
Plugs as well, $1.95 each.
4. Insurance: $500.00 Liability only, take the risk?
5. Fuel: $3.80 p/gal. I use only mogas and have for years, send
in for the road tax refund as well.
6. Oil: About $735.00 per year for 200 hrs of flight time 50 hr
changes
7. Forget Europe
8. Pull the air compressor and completely clean the piston and ALL
the valves, I have never replaced one in 1000hrs of flying.
So you see, if your willing to work at it, it is still rather cheap,
and there is one thing for sure, it will only get more expensive, so fly
now as our time is running out!!
I figure my Nanchang burns about 8 GPH when running mogas as cost
compared to 100LL. So why are you running 100LL? The Chinese sure
didn't I can assure you of that!
Happy Flying!!
Bunndini for King!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale <hdinamic@qwest.net>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 7:42 pm
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
1.Cost of Plane $60,000 to 130,000 Plus loss of Interest on money.
(investment
loss=up to $6,500 per year, I didn't spend this much on fuel.)
2.Hangar $35,000 or $300 month ( more than most spend on
fuel)
3.Maint per year$ $?To $3,000 ( did anyone spend less that this much on
fuel )
4.Insurance $1,600 To $6,000 ( what's that about fuel )
5.Fuel $4.45 Gal ,
6. Oil toss up for fuel on cost. Not sure if I drip more than burn.
7. Try flying in Europe for these cost. Fuel $3eu liter?
8. Don't forget to set back $2.50 a hour for a air compressor. whew!
Never understood someone selling their plane because of fuel going up
and
costing 20 bucks more a hour to fly when they invested this much to
begin with.
9. I forgot the fun factor. Priceless. (for me but I'm worth it)
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60 litres an hour is in U.S. about 16 gallons an hour
60 litres an hour is in Aust about 13.3 gallons an hour.
So who stated 8 GPH?
Regards, Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
8 GPH? In cruise flight? On an internal combustion engine of 620
cubic inches? I think every Yak and CJ owner would like to know your
secret. I certainly would and I've equipped my airplane with a fuel
flow instrument so I can see precisely what the fuel burn is in various
configurations. It's no where near 8 GPH regardless of whether I use
mogas or 100LL.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
Looks to me like yall are gluttons for punishment:
1. Cost of Plane I agree with but then I don't think they are
losing value like buying a new car does!!
2. Hanger? Nope shade: $1140. year or $95.00 per month
3. Maintenance: $200. for inspection and do my own work Auto Spark
Plugs as well, $1.95 each.
4. Insurance: $500.00 Liability only, take the risk?
5. Fuel: $3.80 p/gal. I use only mogas and have for years, send
in for the road tax refund as well.
6. Oil: About $735.00 per year for 200 hrs of flight time 50 hr
changes
7. Forget Europe
8. Pull the air compressor and completely clean the piston and ALL
the valves, I have never replaced one in 1000hrs of flying.
So you see, if your willing to work at it, it is still rather cheap,
and there is one thing for sure, it will only get more expensive, so fly
now as our time is running out!!
I figure my Nanchang burns about 8 GPH when running mogas as cost
compared to 100LL. So why are you running 100LL? The Chinese sure
didn't I can assure you of that!
Happy Flying!!
Bunndini for King!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale <hdinamic@qwest.net>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 7:42 pm
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Fuel Prices and aircraft ownership
1.Cost of Plane $60,000 to 130,000 Plus loss of Interest on money.
(investment
loss=up to $6,500 per year, I didn't spend this much on fuel.)
2.Hangar $35,000 or $300 month ( more than most spend on
fuel)
3.Maint per year$ $?To $3,000 ( did anyone spend less that this much on
fuel )
4.Insurance $1,600 To $6,000 ( what's that about fuel )
5.Fuel $4.45 Gal ,
6. Oil toss up for fuel on cost. Not sure if I drip more than burn.
7. Try flying in Europe for these cost. Fuel $3eu liter?
8. Don't forget to set back $2.50 a hour for a air compressor. whew!
Never understood someone selling their plane because of fuel going up
and
costing 20 bucks more a hour to fly when they invested this much to
begin with.
9. I forgot the fun factor. Priceless. (for me but I'm worth it)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188845#188845
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