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1. 02:11 AM - A/H Wanted (Graeme Frew)
2. 02:52 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 06/24/08 (Sam Whatmough)
3. 08:23 AM - Re: M14P Pricing and availability (Dale)
4. 08:40 AM - Paging Mr. Larry P. Pine, Paging Mr. Larry P. Pine (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
5. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: M14P Pricing and availability (Ernest Martinez)
6. 09:24 AM - M14P Pricing and availability in response to John Fish (Richard Goode)
7. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: M14P Pricing and availability (Budd Davisson)
8. 10:01 AM - Re: M14P Pricing and availability in response to John Fish (Roger Baker)
9. 12:33 PM - Re: A/H Wanted (ByronMFox@aol.com)
10. 12:41 PM - Re: Yak 55M aileron (mikspin)
11. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: Yak 55M aileron (F V)
12. 02:33 PM - Re: A/H Wanted (Kregg Victory)
13. 02:38 PM - EAA Warbirds Magazine (tjyak50)
14. 03:05 PM - Re: A/H Wanted (Dee Conger)
15. 03:26 PM - Re: A/H Wanted (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
16. 03:36 PM - Re: Yak 55M aileron (mikspin)
17. 07:47 PM - Re: A/H Wanted (Roger Kemp MD)
18. 08:59 PM - Wgt and CG difference between V-530 and MTV-9-K-C/CL250-29 props (Royden Heays)
19. 09:37 PM - Re: Wgt and CG difference between V-530 and MTV-9-K-C/CL250-29 props (Kregg Victory)
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I am after a Yak Artificial Horizon and I assume there is a remote gyro to
run it and I will need that too. If someone has one lying around or knows of
a reliable spares source can you let me know please.
Graeme Frew
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 06/24/08 |
Hi All,
I have a fully working Baklan 5 radio that will shortly be for sale once I
have removed it from my aircraft (replacing with a combined COM/GPS),
Anyone interested in making me an offer for it?
Sam Whatmough
sam@yakobats.co.uk
Yak 55/52
UK
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> 1. 02:24 AM - Re: Radios for sale? (Andrew Love)
> 2. 04:23 AM - Re: Looking to buy Yak-52 (Ira Saligman)
> 3. 06:23 AM - NOS M-14Ps (Jill Gernetzke)
> 4. 07:31 AM - Re: New M-14P wanted (Roger Kemp)
> 5. 07:58 AM - Yak -52's for sale (Jerry Painter)
> 6. 07:59 AM - -52's again (Jerry Painter)
> 7. 08:04 AM - Re: Is it me or do they ever so slightly resemble YAKs?
> (skidmk)
> 8. 08:44 AM - M14P Pricing and availability (Richard Goode)
> 9. 10:37 AM - Re: M14P Pricing and availability (
> fish@aviation-tech.com)
> 10. 02:05 PM - Re: New M-14P wanted (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
> Point, MALS-14 64E)
> 11. 04:48 PM - Re: New M-14P wanted (Roger Kemp MD)
> 12. 06:24 PM - Yak 55M aileron (Frederick van Rooyen)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:24:25 AM PST US
> From: Andrew Love <torque_roll@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Radios for sale?
>
>
> Hi Doc,
>
> Thanks for your advice on this one. Got a couple of possibles already. And
> thanks to the other replies I had too.
>
> cheers
> Andrew Love PilotJAG Air LtdQueenstown
> New Zealand www.jagair.co.nz
> P +64 3 442 3177 I F +64 3 4423176 I M +64 21 8
> 18 816
>
>
> From: viperdoc@mindspring.comTo: yak-list@matronics.comSubject: RE:
> Yak-Lis
> t: Radios for sale?Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:08:16 -0500
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> I=92m confused=85thought I sent the wlacrussianeng.co link to Andrew Love
> i
> n AU. That url is a source of YAK parts that I use when I can=92t get them
> here in the US.
> Before saying the following, here is the disclaimer: =93 I am not a broker,
> importer, or maintainer of Red Star Aircraft. I maintain my own aircraft i
> n my own hanger. I do get assistance when needed or mandated by FAA regulat
> ion. This being said, the following are two known YAK refurbishers/ re-sale
> rs across the pond that I know people have had favorable dealings with, my
> self included. Those were for parts I needed. I=92ve had a protracted time
> dealing with Liutaraus @ Anabaras in Li. That was over some issues with my
> 52 concerning the engine. He eventually made that right. He replaced the en
> gine and I paid him what he requested as compensation for that.
> I am not disparaging Aeroconcept or anyone else for that matter that sells
> or refurbishs YAK aircraft in the world.
> So much for the TMFI with the disclaimer.
> So:
> Try the Termikus website (www.termikus.com) or Rob Rowe or Mark Jefferies
> i
> n the UK (www.yakuk.com )( I think) for YAKS for sale across the pond.
> I=92
> m not aware of any available in the US currently. Jerry Painter (?) I belie
> ve had or has a TW for sale up in Oregan or is it Washington State? If you
> are interested in a YAK-50, talk to Dave Hilker in KS. Contact me off list
> for that contact info if interested.
> Thanks,
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@mat
> ronics.com] On Behalf Of SD737@aol.comSent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:24
> PMT
> o: yak-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Yak-List: Radios for sale?
>
>
> Hi Doc,
>
>
> Pete Taylor is the friend who is interested in a Yak-52.
>
>
> I went to the website http://www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk/ that you forwarded
> t
> o me, but no Yak-52's listed for sale.
>
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
>
> Scott
>
>
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> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 04:23:59 AM PST US
> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking to buy Yak-52
>
> I am planning to sell my 52TW, I will place add in the usual websites but
> the basics are a 2003 52TW, 250 hrs, 74 gal fuel, MT 3 blade, Garmin 430,
> 327 xponder, 340 com, 106A GLideslope, Cleveland brakes. Battery has been
> moved fwd, and several other mods.
>
>
> Ira
>
> o 610 940 0420
> c 610 324 5500
> f 215 243 7699
>
> <mailto:isaligman@Saligman.com> isaligman@Saligman.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:23:07 AM PST US
> From: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: NOS M-14Ps
>
>
> Gang,
>
> The engine on eBay is tis not priced out of line. The last five
> engines I've sold have gone overseas. The last new, old stock engine
> in Russia was not even offered to me because the seller wanted $44k
> over there. That does not include, shipping, customs or any markup.
>
> If I told you that engines would be available in Russia - NEW - in
> January 2009, the price would be $44K plus shipping and customs, I
> would ask for a 5% fee, and the product would need to be paid in
> advance, how many of you would place an order? (I typically tie up
> cash for 10 - 20 engines and then ship them over.) As things go, you
> might likely have to wait 6 months - year beyond January 2009. Still
> interested? I have historically not taken customer money until I have
> the product in hand. That is assuming a lot of risk. Some days I
> think it would be easier to write a cloak and daggers novel about this
> whole business and not worry about when parts will arrive or if the
> wire transfer has gotten to its destination, etc but I actually love
> what I do.
>
> I have not been offered any M-14Ps in 6 months. The supply is down to
> a trickle. For those of you who were long-term thinkers and had the
> cash, you bought a spare engine. For those of you that didn't, you are
> blessed with a finely engineered piece of equipment that will provide
> you with many hours of reliable flying if you take care of it.
>
> I have six overhauled engines on the shelf for sale. No replacement
> stock for the next 6 months, at least.
>
> Jill
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:31:22 AM PST US
> From: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
>
>
> Mark,
> I'm afraid the M-14P good deals went away a couple of years ago.That price
> is pretty
> much in line with the rise in the EU and the fall of the US Dollar.
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <
> mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >Sent: Jun 24, 2008 12:03 AM
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
> >
> >
> >They must think engine prices go up with gas prices as well.
> >
> >32 grand is in the ballpark for a PF, but not a P, not in my opinion
> >anyway.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter K. Van
> >Staagen
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:37 AM
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
> >
> >--> <petervs@knology.net>
> >
> >There is a new old stock M14-P on Ebay, starting bid of $32,000 with no
> >bids. That price makes me want to part out my Yak. Doesn't say if it is
> >Russian.
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME
> >%3AB
> >%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=160254017228
> >
> >Pete
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of radiopicture
> >Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:27 PM
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
> >
> >
> >In search of first-run Russian (not Romanian), zero time (new-pickled in
> >crate) M-14P.
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189472#189472
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:58:34 AM PST US
> From: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak -52's for sale
>
>
> Hey Craig--thanks for the plug! Actually I have THREE -52's for sale: an
> 86 ($65K), a '96 ($85K) and a 2001 -52TW ($125K). Plus lots more! Come
> and
> get 'em!
>
> Jerry Painter
> Wild Blue Aviation
> 425-876-0865
> JP@FlyWBA.com
> www.FlyWBA.com <http://www.flywba.com/>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:59:16 AM PST US
> From: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: -52's again
>
>
> Ah, no, Craig, no gear up.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:04:15 AM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Is it me or do they ever so slightly resemble YAKs?
> From: "skidmk" <bourgem@cia.com>
>
>
> actually,, I was thinking they looked like Bandit, daBear, and Skidmk,,,
> very handsome
> in their tight fitting flight suits [Laughing]
>
> --------
> Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
> Ottawa, Ontario
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189563#189563
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:44:43 AM PST US
> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: M14P Pricing and availability
>
> M14P Pricing and availability
>
> I am sure that people consider me biased because I am in the business of
> selling engines.
>
> However I see the issues as being:
>
> a.. A conventional market is balanced by having approximately equal
> amounts of supply and demand.
> b.. The M14P market is extremely unconventional, in that it began in
> the early nineties with large supplies of both unused engines and
> factory zero-timed ones available in Russia and other parts of Eastern
> Europe.
> c.. The last genuine new serial production engine was made in 1994.
> Since then small numbers have been made from previously manufactured
> forgings/castings/sub-assemblies etc.
> d.. The market was for a long time stabilised by the engines from
> Shadetree, who had about 120 unused but old stock engines. I think
> that I am right in saying that the last was sold about two years ago,
> and for about US $28,000. Of course these were genuine engines; known
> history; properly conserved and stored.
> e.. For the last 12 or so years, the worldwide Yak and Sukhoi
> community (600 plus aircraft) have been slowly working their way through
> an existing stock of engines that were bought cheaply which represented
> fantastic value. Inevitably, as the supply dwindles the price will go
> up.
> f.. We then have homebuilt aircraft - my estimate is that there are a
> good 300 Pitts-12; Moose etc aircraft being built, and all of course
> needing engines.
> g.. The other factor to consider is that in most parts of the world,
> except the US, we have to observe factory TBOs. That is 750 hours for
> a new M14P and 500 hours if it is in a single seat aircraft, or after
> overhaul. This means that we have to change what appear to be perfectly
> good engines when these times are reached.
> h.. As I have previously said, the Voronezh Mechanical Plant are
> currently making 100 new engines for a Russian Ministry of Transport
> contract. These engines are being sold at US $62,000 each. OK, it is a
> government contract; no one worries about prices, but that figure is now
> in the minds of the Russians, and it is not easy to dissuade the old
> Soviet mentality that runs this factory.
> i.. What is the price of a factory new geared and supercharged
> Lycoming / Continental? US$60,000? Also Russian manufacturing is
> desperately inefficient, and while they will benefit from low wage costs
> and material costs (although both of these are dramatically increasing)
> factory inefficiencies put prices up considerably.
> j.. Then we have currency fluctuations - no one needs telling that the
> US $ has dropped compared with virtually all currencies, and including,
> by a significant amount, the Russian Rouble. This in itself will
> increase the price of anything coming from Europe or Eastern Europe into
> the US market. It was US 95 cents to a Euro now US $1.55.
> k.. The simple fact is that there are virtually no genuine; properly
> conserved and stored new but "old stock" engines left. I have always
> bought any that I have found (we have sold over ninety of these in the
> last fifteen years), and the most recent one that I have bought was
> about a year ago - and I still have not been able to get it out of
> Russia due to Putin's export controls which have absolutely paralysed
> everything that is aviation-related.
> l.. If the engine at US $32,000 is good - I do not think that is a bad
> price, and I suspect that those who laugh at it today might well be
> kicking themselves for not buying it in three years time.
> m.. Our zero-timed engines come from Vedeneyev themselves, and, I am
> sure we are not considered to be cheap. I am no economist but the
> problem with the unpredictability of this market is not the price that I
> have paid for an engine, but the price that I will have to pay to
> replace it!
> n.. Of course, with increasing prices, there becomes more and more
> scope for enterprising companies to overhaul engines.
> o.. Obviously good companies like Barrett; Carl Hays are working on
> this, but the real problem is that the Russians have always closely
> guarded all overhaul paperwork, but more importantly the supply of major
> components which one really does need to perform proper overhauls. Of
> course these can be made, but at huge cost.
> In my humble view, the good news is that M14P engine supply and
> overhauls will continue. The bad news is that I am sure that prices
> will continue to go up, and believe me I would be far happier if they
> did not and the market was stable!
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Herefordshire
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:37:14 AM PST US
> From: "fish@aviation-tech.com" <fish@aviation-tech.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P Pricing and availability
>
>
> Richard,
>
> Reading between the lines, engines should still be relativy
> cheap here in the US. My reasoning for this is, if you have
> to replace your engines at low times. We can still use them
> in as removed condition here!
>
> Where the kink would come from, is engines being returned
> overseas to use for overhaul. So the questions is are we
> going through enough engines to continue to supply cores to
> Europe for rebuild?
>
> I would envision an evolving supply line would go something
> like, Europians purchase a New/rebult engine and run for
> 500-700 Hours. Then sell the engine to someone here (with
> 500-700 hrs on it), we run it to runout. We then use it for
> a core when purchasing an engine from someone in Europe
> (when purchasing a 500-700 hr eng), who then trades it in as
> a core for a new rebuild.
>
> On the flip side, I have said for years that prices would be
> going up and we will eventually start building parts here
> for our aircraft. Some parts (Say Carbs, cases, ect) will be
> rebuilt. But new cylinders/pistons, Rings, ect; with enough
> demand will be manufactured here.
>
> Anouther option is for someone to attempt to change the TBO
> required. This would most easily be done in Russia/Romaina
> then in each country in Europe (I beleive also Canada and
> Australia). This would have the effect of reducing demand,
> helping to keep prices down.
>
> Fly Safe
> John Fischer
> Yak-52, N213YA
> California City, CA
>
> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: M14P Pricing and availability
>
> > M14P Pricing and availability
> >
> > I am sure that people consider me biased because I am in
> > the business of selling engines.
> >
> > However I see the issues as being:
> >
> > a.. A conventional market is balanced by having
> > approximately equal amounts of supply and demand.
> > b.. The M14P market is extremely unconventional, in that
> > it began in the early nineties with large supplies of both
> > unused engines and factory zero-timed ones available in
> > Russia and other parts of Eastern Europe.
> > c.. The last genuine new serial production engine was
> > made in 1994. Since then small numbers have been made
> > from previously manufactured
> > forgings/castings/sub-assemblies etc.
> > d.. The market was for a long time stabilised by the
> > engines from Shadetree, who had about 120 unused but old
> > stock engines. I think that I am right in saying that
> > the last was sold about two years ago, and for about US
> > $28,000. Of course these were genuine engines; known
> > history; properly conserved and stored.
> > e.. For the last 12 or so years, the worldwide Yak and
> > Sukhoi community (600 plus aircraft) have been slowly
> > working their way through an existing stock of engines
> > that were bought cheaply which represented fantastic
> > value. Inevitably, as the supply dwindles the price will
> > go up.
> > f.. We then have homebuilt aircraft - my estimate is
> > that there are a good 300 Pitts-12; Moose etc aircraft
> > being built, and all of course needing engines.
> > g.. The other factor to consider is that in most parts
> > of the world, except the US, we have to observe factory
> > TBOs. That is 750 hours for a new M14P and 500 hours if
> > it is in a single seat aircraft, or after overhaul. This
> > means that we have to change what appear to be perfectly
> > good engines when these times are reached.
> > h.. As I have previously said, the Voronezh Mechanical
> > Plant are currently making 100 new engines for a Russian
> > Ministry of Transport contract. These engines are being
> > sold at US $62,000 each. OK, it is a government contract;
> > no one worries about prices, but that figure is now in the
> > minds of the Russians, and it is not easy to dissuade the
> > old Soviet mentality that runs this factory.
> > i.. What is the price of a factory new geared and
> > supercharged Lycoming / Continental? US$60,000? Also
> > Russian manufacturing is desperately inefficient, and
> > while they will benefit from low wage costs and material
> > costs (although both of these are dramatically increasing)
> > factory inefficiencies put prices up considerably.
> > j.. Then we have currency fluctuations - no one needs
> > telling that the US $ has dropped compared with virtually
> > all currencies, and including, by a significant amount,
> > the Russian Rouble. This in itself will increase the
> > price of anything coming from Europe or Eastern Europe
> > into the US market. It was US 95 cents to a Euro now US
> > $1.55.
> > k.. The simple fact is that there are virtually no
> > genuine; properly conserved and stored new but "old stock"
> > engines left. I have always bought any that I have found
> > (we have sold over ninety of these in the last fifteen
> > years), and the most recent one that I have bought was
> > about a year ago - and I still have not been able to get
> > it out of Russia due to Putin's export controls which have
> > absolutely paralysed everything that is aviation-related.
> > l.. If the engine at US $32,000 is good - I do not think
> > that is a bad price, and I suspect that those who laugh at
> > it today might well be kicking themselves for not buying
> > it in three years time.
> > m.. Our zero-timed engines come from Vedeneyev
> > themselves, and, I am sure we are not considered to be
> > cheap. I am no economist but the problem with the
> > unpredictability of this market is not the price that I
> > have paid for an engine, but the price that I will have to
> > pay to replace it!
> > n.. Of course, with increasing prices, there becomes
> > more and more scope for enterprising companies to overhaul
> > engines.
> > o.. Obviously good companies like Barrett; Carl Hays are
> > working on this, but the real problem is that the Russians
> > have always closely guarded all overhaul paperwork, but
> > more importantly the supply of major components which one
> > really does need to perform proper overhauls. Of course
> > these can be made, but at huge cost. In my humble view,
> > the good news is that M14P engine supply and overhauls
> > will continue. The bad news is that I am sure that
> > prices will continue to go up, and believe me I would be
> > far happier if they did not and the market was stable!
> >
> > Richard Goode Aerobatics
> > Rhodds Farm
> > Lyonshall
> > Herefordshire
> > HR5 3LW
> > United Kingdom
> >
> > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120
> > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129
> > www.russianaeros.com
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:05:02 PM PST US
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <
> mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>
> OK! I stand corrected. So I guess my spare M-14P with 70 hours on it's
> first rebuild, done in Russia with logbooks on hand is now worth about
> 20K right?
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:28 AM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
>
>
> Mark,
> I'm afraid the M-14P good deals went away a couple of years ago.That
> price is pretty much in line with the rise in the EU and the fall of the
> US Dollar.
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> ><mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >Sent: Jun 24, 2008 12:03 AM
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
> >
> >--> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> >They must think engine prices go up with gas prices as well.
> >
> >32 grand is in the ballpark for a PF, but not a P, not in my opinion
> >anyway.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter K. Van
> >Staagen
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:37 AM
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
> >
> >--> <petervs@knology.net>
> >
> >There is a new old stock M14-P on Ebay, starting bid of $32,000 with no
>
> >bids. That price makes me want to part out my Yak. Doesn't say if it is
>
> >Russian.
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADM
> >E
> >%3AB
> >%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=160254017228
> >
> >Pete
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of radiopicture
> >Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:27 PM
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
> >
> >--> <eric@buffaloskyline.com>
> >
> >In search of first-run Russian (not Romanian), zero time (new-pickled
> >in
> >crate) M-14P.
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189472#189472
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:48:25 PM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
>
>
> Its probably worth what ever you can get for it in this current
> environment.
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
> G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:02 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
>
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> OK! I stand corrected. So I guess my spare M-14P with 70 hours on it's
> first rebuild, done in Russia with logbooks on hand is now worth about
> 20K right?
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:28 AM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
>
>
> Mark,
> I'm afraid the M-14P good deals went away a couple of years ago.That
> price is pretty much in line with the rise in the EU and the fall of the
> US Dollar.
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> ><mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >Sent: Jun 24, 2008 12:03 AM
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
> >
> >--> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >
> >They must think engine prices go up with gas prices as well.
> >
> >32 grand is in the ballpark for a PF, but not a P, not in my opinion
> >anyway.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter K. Van
> >Staagen
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:37 AM
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
> >
> >--> <petervs@knology.net>
> >
> >There is a new old stock M14-P on Ebay, starting bid of $32,000 with no
>
> >bids. That price makes me want to part out my Yak. Doesn't say if it is
>
> >Russian.
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADM
> >E
> >%3AB
> >%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=160254017228
> >
> >Pete
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of radiopicture
> >Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:27 PM
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Yak-List: New M-14P wanted
> >
> >--> <eric@buffaloskyline.com>
> >
> >In search of first-run Russian (not Romanian), zero time (new-pickled
> >in
> >crate) M-14P.
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189472#189472
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:24:19 PM PST US
> From: Frederick van Rooyen <fvanrooyen@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak 55M aileron
>
> Urgently need a left aileron for a Yak 55M. Anybody know of one for sale?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: M14P Pricing and availability |
Hello
I have been in contact over the years with the usual suspects that have parts for
our engines. as a interesting note there seems to be a large number of engine
cylinders sitting around not being used ( I didn't say they were for sale as
of right now ) and other parts as well. I also know that a large number of
engines are sitting around doing nothing but collecting dust in hangars waiting
for someone to wear out the other one on the plane, which may never happen or
to finish a project that may never happen. If you look at the number of hours
being flown by a few it would seem to be a lot. However a lot of planes are
not being flown that much. How many people have planes with low hours that are
20 years old with the same engine. I was told by Precision Engines that we
have a never ending supply of parts for the large radial engines , enough to last
forever in their words. They should know. This is because of the number built
and slow down of use over the years. This scenario could also play out for
the M-14 as well. I'd hate to be sitting on a bunch of Corvette engines thinking
that all the Corvettes would wear out. Think about it. When was the last
time one of those had 200,000 miles on the odometer.
I don't think one should panic but realize everything is available at a cost and
one should weigh that against need. A lot of people don't fly their planes much
because they are afraid of wear and tear and trying to hold the value to the
sell to the next owner. Those planes may never wear out or need a engine for
another 20 years. How many hangars at your field have planes sitting in them
and have not moved in 10 years. Some day when all those people die ( mostly
people in their 60's and 70's now ) and the family's sell them in the next 10
years we will have a glut of all kinds of planes and parts because the young
generation coming up can't afford to get a license, pay the insurance if they
can get it, hangar it and pay for maint. Planes might get real cheap for other
reasons than gas prices.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189756#189756
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| Subject: | Paging Mr. Larry P. Pine, Paging Mr. Larry P. Pine |
Mr. Pine, with next contact please to leave me your new phone number.? Or please
to email me with info.
Regards,
'Bunndini'
Website: http://www.vectorwarbirds.com/
"Wasn't there something in your life worth losing everything for?"
Mulay Achmed Mohammed el-Raisuli the Magnificent, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the
Berbers - 1902
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| Subject: | Re: M14P Pricing and availability |
Consensus where I live is that an engines worst enemy is lack of use
not over use. I had a 300 hr engine in my Bonanza, when I had to have
it torn down because of a prop strike, it was found that the cams and
lifters were all rusted. I had been flying the plane about 20 hrs per
year.
Put an hour per week on and engine, and change the oil religiously,
and the engine should last virtually forever. Let anything just sit
(other than a well pickled engine) and it will rot, this applies to
planes, cars, boats (I have LOTS of experience with the latter and
diesel engines).
Ernie
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Dale <hdinamic@qwest.net> wrote:
>
> Hello
> I have been in contact over the years with the usual suspects that have parts
for our engines. as a interesting note there seems to be a large number of engine
cylinders sitting around not being used ( I didn't say they were for sale
as of right now ) and other parts as well. I also know that a large number of
engines are sitting around doing nothing but collecting dust in hangars waiting
for someone to wear out the other one on the plane, which may never happen
or to finish a project that may never happen. If you look at the number of hours
being flown by a few it would seem to be a lot. However a lot of planes are
not being flown that much. How many people have planes with low hours that
are 20 years old with the same engine. I was told by Precision Engines that we
have a never ending supply of parts for the large radial engines , enough to
last forever in their words. They should know. This is because of the number
built and slow down of use over the years. This scena
r!
> io could also play out for the M-14 as well. I'd hate to be sitting on a bunch
of Corvette engines thinking that all the Corvettes would wear out. Think
about it. When was the last time one of those had 200,000 miles on the odometer.
> I don't think one should panic but realize everything is available at a cost
and one should weigh that against need. A lot of people don't fly their planes
much because they are afraid of wear and tear and trying to hold the value to
the sell to the next owner. Those planes may never wear out or need a engine
for another 20 years. How many hangars at your field have planes sitting in
them and have not moved in 10 years. Some day when all those people die ( mostly
people in their 60's and 70's now ) and the family's sell them in the next
10 years we will have a glut of all kinds of planes and parts because the young
generation coming up can't afford to get a license, pay the insurance if they
can get it, hangar it and pay for maint. Planes might get real cheap for other
reasons than gas prices.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189756#189756
>
>
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| Subject: | M14P Pricing and availability in response to John Fish |
M14P Pricing and availability in response to John Fish
Briefly:
=D8 In principle you are right. However you of course
have far more aircraft using the M14P than we do in Europe.
=D8 Also while we do remove many good engines, a
depressingly large number are removed because of ground-strikes;
hydro-lock; overheating (flying will gills shut) etc.
=D8 The next issue is who rebuilds them - there are
five factories in the Soviet Union authorised to do this work, of which
two are operating, and two are limping along but with no money and no
parts.
=D8 I am sure ingenious Americans will start making
pistons - an obvious area that can be improved, but you are talking
major investment in terms of cylinders, and far greater yet for crank
cases; crank shafts etc.
=D8 We have been trying to change the TBO for a long
time - the current figures are desperately conservative, but it really
is like trying to push water up hill dealing with the Russians in these
matters.
Regards
Richard
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: M14P Pricing and availability |
You're absolutely right.
Case in point: the IO-360's in S-2A Pitts seldom make it to the 1400 hour
TBO because it's the kind of airplane that isn't flown often. My last engine
(my third) went to 2800 hours, had 76 pounds in all four holes and burned
one quart in 12 hours with perfect oil analysis. I fly it an average 350
hours a year, spread evenly with few down times except when I'm at
airshows, change oil at 25 hours Hobbs (20 hours tach), have a separate full
flow oil filter and aftermarket air filter. Every single one of those hours
sees a minimum of 8 landings,so it's not babied. AND, I'm in a dry climate
(AZ), which helps.
If you want 'em to last, fly the snot out of them and change the oil often.
bd
On 6/25/08 8:54 AM, "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Consensus where I live is that an engines worst enemy is lack of use
> not over use. I had a 300 hr engine in my Bonanza, when I had to have
> it torn down because of a prop strike, it was found that the cams and
> lifters were all rusted. I had been flying the plane about 20 hrs per
> year.
>
> Put an hour per week on and engine, and change the oil religiously,
> and the engine should last virtually forever. Let anything just sit
> (other than a well pickled engine) and it will rot, this applies to
> planes, cars, boats (I have LOTS of experience with the latter and
> diesel engines).
>
> Ernie
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Dale <hdinamic@qwest.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>> I have been in contact over the years with the usual suspects that have parts
>> for our engines. as a interesting note there seems to be a large number of
>> engine cylinders sitting around not being used ( I didn't say they were for
>> sale as of right now ) and other parts as well. I also know that a large
>> number of engines are sitting around doing nothing but collecting dust in
>> hangars waiting for someone to wear out the other one on the plane, which may
>> never happen or to finish a project that may never happen. If you look at
>> the number of hours being flown by a few it would seem to be a lot. However
a
>> lot of planes are not being flown that much. How many people have planes
>> with low hours that are 20 years old with the same engine. I was told by
>> Precision Engines that we have a never ending supply of parts for the large
>> radial engines , enough to last forever in their words. They should know.
>> This is because of the number built and slow down of use over the years. This
>> scena
> r!
>> io could also play out for the M-14 as well. I'd hate to be sitting on a
>> bunch of Corvette engines thinking that all the Corvettes would wear out.
>> Think about it. When was the last time one of those had 200,000 miles on the
>> odometer.
>> I don't think one should panic but realize everything is available at a cost
>> and one should weigh that against need. A lot of people don't fly their
>> planes much because they are afraid of wear and tear and trying to hold the
>> value to the sell to the next owner. Those planes may never wear out or need
>> a engine for another 20 years. How many hangars at your field have planes
>> sitting in them and have not moved in 10 years. Some day when all those
>> people die ( mostly people in their 60's and 70's now ) and the family's sell
>> them in the next 10 years we will have a glut of all kinds of planes and
>> parts because the young generation coming up can't afford to get a license,
>> pay the insurance if they can get it, hangar it and pay for maint. Planes
>> might get real cheap for other reasons than gas prices.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189756#189756
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: M14P Pricing and availability in response to John Fish |
On Jun 25, 2008, at 9:21 AM, Richard Goode wrote:
> M14P Pricing and availability in response to John Fish
>
>
> Briefly:
>
> =D8 In principle you are right. However you of
> course have far more aircraft using the M14P than we do in Europe.
> =D8 Also while we do remove many good engines, a
> depressingly large number are removed because of ground-strikes;
> hydro-lock; overheating (flying will gills shut) etc.
> =D8 The next issue is who rebuilds them ' there are
> five factories in the Soviet Union authorised to do this work, of
> which two are operating, and two are limping along but with no
> money and no parts.
> =D8 I am sure ingenious Americans will start making
> pistons ' an obvious area that can be improved, but you are talking
> major investment in terms of cylinders, and far greater yet for
> crank cases; crank shafts etc.The guys in Phoenix are already
> flying with new pistons and rings, etc. Seem to be working great!
> You're right, of course, that cylinders, crank cases and shafts
> will be another matter.
Roger Baker________________________________
>
> We have been trying to change the TBO for a long
> time ' the current figures are desperately conservative, but it
> really is like trying to push water up hill dealing with the
> Russians in these matters.
>
> Regards
> Richard
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Herefordshire
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
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In a message dated 6/25/08 2:12:05 AM, graemefrew@gmail.com writes:
> I am after a Yak Artificial Horizon and I assume there is a remote gyro to
> run it and I will need that too. If someone has one lying around or knows of
> a reliable spares source can you let me know please.
> Graeme Frew
>
Good to hear from you, Graeme. (Americans will note that in New Zealand
Graham is commonly mispelled.) Hope your lovely wife and boys are flourishing.
Do
you want a Yak 52 A/H, or one for your CJ? Doug Sapp's your man for the
latter ...Blitz
**************
Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
fuel-efficient used cars.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 55M aileron |
Is it the whole aileron or just the skin that is damaged?
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 55M aileron |
Just the skin is bent at the end of the aileron. hinges are fine.
----- Original Message -----
From: mikspin <mikspin@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak 55M aileron
>
> Is it the whole aileron or just the skin that is damaged?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189793#189793
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yak-List Email Forum -
> _-
> = - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> _-
> = - List Contribution Web Site -
> _-
> = -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
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I have a artificial horizon. And many other yak instruments as well
Kregg Victory
408-836-5122
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ByronMFox@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: A/H Wanted
In a message dated 6/25/08 2:12:05 AM, graemefrew@gmail.com writes:
I am after a Yak Artificial Horizon and I assume there is a remote gyro to
run it and I will need that too. If someone has one lying around or knows of
a reliable spares source can you let me know please.
Graeme Frew
Good to hear from you, Graeme. (Americans will note that in New Zealand
Graham is commonly mispelled.) Hope your lovely wife and boys are
flourishing. Do you want a Yak 52 A/H, or one for your CJ? Doug Sapp's your
man for the latter ...Blitz
**************
Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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| Subject: | EAA Warbirds Magazine |
Just got my new EAA Warbirds Magazine (June 2008).
Some great pictures of Yak (1) / CJ (3) in there.
They have an article about the 70th anniversary of the T6.
Too bad they didn't reprint the article about the 50th anniversary of the CJ!
or at least plug the fly-by.
Tj
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I also have several that i'll sell - cheap! These are from yak 50s.
Dee
Dee
-----Original Message-----
From: Kregg Victory <kregg@balancemyprop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:38 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: A/H Wanted
I have a artificial horizon. And many other yak instruments as well
Kregg Victory
408-836-5122
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ByronMFox@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: A/H Wanted
In a message dated 6/25/08 2:12:05 AM, graemefrew@gmail.com writes:
I am after a Yak Artificial Horizon and I assume there is a remote gyro to
run it and I will need that too. If someone has one lying around or knows of
a reliable spares source can you let me know please.
Graeme Frew
Good to hear from you, Graeme. (Americans will note that in New Zealand
Graham is commonly mispelled.) Hope your lovely wife and boys are
flourishing. Do you want a Yak 52 A/H, or one for your CJ? Doug Sapp's your
man for the latter ...Blitz
**************
Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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The YAK artificial horizon is a self contained electrical gyro that runs
off Alternating Current. You need both the part in the cockpit (horizon
with internal gyro) plus the motor/inverter that mounts else-where.
I would offer that a Dynon D-10A would be a much better choice.
Best of luck,
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Frew
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:08 AM
Subject: Yak-List: A/H Wanted
I am after a Yak Artificial Horizon and I assume there is a remote gyro
to run it and I will need that too. If someone has one lying around or
knows of a reliable spares source can you let me know please.
Graeme Frew
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 55M aileron |
Contact me off list, I may be able to help
acromike@gmail.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189817#189817
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For the money...agreed.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: A/H Wanted
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
The YAK artificial horizon is a self contained electrical gyro that runs
off Alternating Current. You need both the part in the cockpit (horizon
with internal gyro) plus the motor/inverter that mounts else-where.
I would offer that a Dynon D-10A would be a much better choice.
Best of luck,
Mark Bitterlich
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Frew
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:08 AM
Subject: Yak-List: A/H Wanted
I am after a Yak Artificial Horizon and I assume there is a remote gyro
to run it and I will need that too. If someone has one lying around or
knows of a reliable spares source can you let me know please.
Graeme Frew
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| Subject: | Wgt and CG difference between V-530 and MTV-9-K-C/CL250-29 props |
Many of your have chucked your 2 blade V-530 for a 3 blade
MTV-9-K-C/CL250-27 or 29 prop.
What is the impact on weight and balance, assuming a K flange that, without
an adaptor, matches the radial spline flange of the M14P?
I've read the V-530 without spinner weighs around 90 lb and the MTV-9-K-C/CL
250-29 with spinner weighs around 80 lb. Can anyone confirm or better the
accuracy of those approx. weights.
I guess the CG of the V-530 (without spinner)is approx. 6 in ahead of the
flange and the MTV-9-250 (with spinner) is approx. 7 in ahead, such that the
moment is approximately the same by intention of the MTV designers. Can
anyone confirm or better the accuracy of those moment arms.
Royden Heays
C-GRED
Yak 55M
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| Subject: | Wgt and CG difference between V-530 and MTV-9-K-C/CL250-29 |
props
V530 prop and spinner (Yak18 Clown nose style) weighs 98lbs
MTV-9-260-29 and spinner weight 88lbs.
No adapter on the MT
Both without oil.
Kregg Victory
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Royden Heays
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:57 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Wgt and CG difference between V-530 and
MTV-9-K-C/CL250-29 props
Many of your have chucked your 2 blade V-530 for a 3 blade
MTV-9-K-C/CL250-27 or 29 prop.
What is the impact on weight and balance, assuming a K flange that, without
an adaptor, matches the radial spline flange of the M14P?
I've read the V-530 without spinner weighs around 90 lb and the MTV-9-K-C/CL
250-29 with spinner weighs around 80 lb. Can anyone confirm or better the
accuracy of those approx. weights.
I guess the CG of the V-530 (without spinner)is approx. 6 in ahead of the
flange and the MTV-9-250 (with spinner) is approx. 7 in ahead, such that the
moment is approximately the same by intention of the MTV designers. Can
anyone confirm or better the accuracy of those moment arms.
Royden Heays
C-GRED
Yak 55M
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