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1. 03:55 AM - Last Chance - West Bend Rooms (Craig Payne)
2. 05:05 AM - Re: Skyhawk Killing Mig-17 (Mark Davis)
3. 07:42 AM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (Robert Schwartz)
4. 08:15 AM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (ronald wasson)
5. 08:22 AM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (Kregg Victory)
6. 08:48 AM - Re: Skyhawk Killing Mig-17 (Sam Sax)
7. 09:15 AM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (doug sapp)
8. 10:04 AM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (Walter Lannon)
9. 10:48 AM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (Peter K. Van Staagen)
10. 10:52 AM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (Robert Schwartz)
11. 11:32 AM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (A. Dennis Savarese)
12. 11:33 AM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (A. Dennis Savarese)
13. 11:34 AM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (Robert Schwartz)
14. 03:37 PM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (Robert Schwartz)
15. 04:03 PM - Re: Last Chance - West Bend Rooms (dabear)
16. 04:54 PM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (Walter Lannon)
17. 06:20 PM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (A. Dennis Savarese)
18. 06:33 PM - Re: Fw: yak inst. (A. Dennis Savarese)
19. 11:08 PM - Official Yak-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
20. 11:13 PM - Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Last Chance - West Bend Rooms |
Folks just deciding to head to West Bend before Oshkosh? The RPA block hold on
rooms expires this Friday, the 4th. Call direct at 262-334-0307, NOT the 800 number.
The owner will grant 5 more rooms under our RPA discount, after that it's
whatever they normally get.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Skyhawk Killing Mig-17 |
Sam,
From Yahoo Search "On May 1, 1967, VA-76 "Spirit" A-4C Skyhawk, BuNo.
148609, side number NP-685, from USS Bon Homme Richard CVA-31, was piloted
by Lieutenant Commander Ted "T.R." Swartz. "T.R." was about to make an
air-to-ground missile attack on North Vietnam's Kep Airfield, north of
Hanoi.
The Skyhawk was armed with 5" ZUNI rockets designed for beating up ground
targets. An unguided weapon, the ZUNI, when fired, went more or less where
the pilot aimed it. As "T.R." began his roll-in to attack the target, his
wingman alerted him to a pair of enemy MiG-17 Fresco fighters, moving in to
attack at Swartz's 6 o'clock position. The intrepid Skyhawk driver wanted
nothing to do with THAT game, so he aborted his target run and pulled his
aircraft into a defensive high "G" barrel roll. The unexpected maneuver
caused the attacking MiGs to over-shoot and Swartz slid into their 6 o'clock
position.
WHOOOOOOOM!!; Swartz pickled a salvo of ZUNI rockets from beneath his
Skyhawk wings and, seconds later, was amazed to see one of his ZUNIs hit one
of the MiGs, which disintegrated in a ball of flame. SPLASH ONE MIG! T.R.
Swartz retured safely to USS Bon Homme Richard that day, his action marking
the first, and only, shoot-down of an enemy aircraft by a Skyhawk during the
Vietnam War."
As for shooting one's self down Doc, my favorite is "The F-11 Tiger is
noted for being the first jet aircraft to shoot itself down. On 21 September
1956, during a test firing of its 20 mm cannons, pilot Tom Attridge fired
two bursts mid-way through a shallow dive. As the velocity and trajectory of
the cannon rounds decayed, they ultimately crossed paths with the Tiger as
it continued its descent, disabling it and forcing Attridge to crash land
the aircraft. The pilot survived." My question is: Had Attridge already
had four kills, would he have become an Ace for shooting himself down?!?
After all don't they say "A kill is a kill"?
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:33 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Skyhawk Killing Mig-17
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Unless this amazing ty[e of a kill actually happened earlier in Vietnam,
> the documented kill of an A-4 Skyhawk that shot down a Mig-17 with a salvo
> of Zuni rockets was by an Israeli pilot Col. Ezra "Babban" Dotan over
> Syria/South Lebanon border on May 12th, 1970.
>
> Please check www.skyhawk.org/2e/israel/israeli-skyhawk-combat.htm
> and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-4_Skyhawk (Scroll down to section
> discussing the A-4 combat history in the Israeli Airforce)
>
> Col. Dotan shot down two Mig-17s that day... one with his Defa 30mm Cannon
> and than he ran out of ammo while in perfect close range and 6 O'clock
> position behind the second Mig-17. Had to be quite frustrating! He still
> had 2 pods of Zuni rockets... the first salvo fell well below the Mig-17.
> He raised his nose quite high, "guestimating" the trajectory of the
> rockets and fired the second salvo. The Mig exploded - he had no chance
> to avoid the debris and flew right through them causing damage to the tail
> surfaces and engine. He was able to nurse the Skyhawk back for a safe
> landing.
>
> The reason I know the story is that he told it to me in person. His total
> career score was 5 kills (Ace)- his other three Kills were all in Mirage
> III. Unfortunately, he died of Cancer not an old man.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Sam Sax
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Mark Davis <mark@pld.com>
>>Sent: Jun 30, 2008 7:16 PM
>>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/25/08
>>
>>
>>For lucky shots, my favorite is the A-4 Skyhawk that shot down a Mig 17 in
>>VietNam with a salvo of Zuni rockets. Had to have been the most
>>impressive
>>shootdown of the war!
>>
>>Mark Davis
>>N44YK
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: yak inst. |
=0A-gentlemen=0AI have a- YAK just got flying and I am having a problem
with front cockpit rate of climb indicator.- I am getting no climb or de
send indication whatsoever from the guage. Rear panel one works.-- I re
moved the instrument and when blowing/sucking it appears to be free and fun
ction correctly.- There are 2 lines to the instrument., I am assuming 1 s
tatic line to the system and one line to the rear cockpit, so instructor ca
n take away this guage during practice flights.- How can I be sure I have
the 2 hoses connected correctly. They both look alike and there are- no
markings to seperate the two??=0AAny suggestions as to the problem?=0Athank
s---- =0ABob=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: yak inst. |
do not suck on a gauge. The face is painted in radioactive paint that
would be very very bad to have long term in your lungs.
On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Robert Schwartz wrote:
>
> gentlemen
>
> I have a YAK just got flying and I am having a problem with front
> cockpit rate of climb indicator. I am getting no climb or desend
> indication whatsoever from the guage. Rear panel one works. I
> removed the instrument and when blowing/sucking it appears to be
> free and function correctly. There are 2 lines to the instrument.,
> I am assuming 1 static line to the system and one line to the rear
> cockpit, so instructor can take away this guage during practice
> flights. How can I be sure I have the 2 hoses connected correctly.
> They both look alike and there are no markings to seperate the two??
>
> Any suggestions as to the problem?
> thanks
> Bob
>
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This one of those times you have a friend do it......lol
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronald wasson
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
do not suck on a gauge. The face is painted in radioactive paint that would
be very very bad to have long term in your lungs.
On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Robert Schwartz wrote:
gentlemen
I have a YAK just got flying and I am having a problem with front cockpit
rate of climb indicator. I am getting no climb or desend indication
whatsoever from the guage. Rear panel one works. I removed the instrument
and when blowing/sucking it appears to be free and function correctly.
There are 2 lines to the instrument., I am assuming 1 static line to the
system and one line to the rear cockpit, so instructor can take away this
guage during practice flights. How can I be sure I have the 2 hoses
connected correctly. They both look alike and there are no markings to
seperate the two??
Any suggestions as to the problem?
thanks
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Skyhawk Killing Mig-17 |
This is amazing that pretty much the same scenario occurred in both cases - great
testimonial to the pilots resourcefulness!
Thanks for the information,
Sam Sax
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Davis <mark@pld.com>
>Sent: Jul 1, 2008 8:01 AM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skyhawk Killing Mig-17
>
>
>Sam,
> From Yahoo Search "On May 1, 1967, VA-76 "Spirit" A-4C Skyhawk, BuNo.
>148609, side number NP-685, from USS Bon Homme Richard CVA-31, was piloted
>by Lieutenant Commander Ted "T.R." Swartz. "T.R." was about to make an
>air-to-ground missile attack on North Vietnam's Kep Airfield, north of
>Hanoi.
>The Skyhawk was armed with 5" ZUNI rockets designed for beating up ground
>targets. An unguided weapon, the ZUNI, when fired, went more or less where
>the pilot aimed it. As "T.R." began his roll-in to attack the target, his
>wingman alerted him to a pair of enemy MiG-17 Fresco fighters, moving in to
>attack at Swartz's 6 o'clock position. The intrepid Skyhawk driver wanted
>nothing to do with THAT game, so he aborted his target run and pulled his
>aircraft into a defensive high "G" barrel roll. The unexpected maneuver
>caused the attacking MiGs to over-shoot and Swartz slid into their 6 o'clock
>position.
>WHOOOOOOOM!!; Swartz pickled a salvo of ZUNI rockets from beneath his
>Skyhawk wings and, seconds later, was amazed to see one of his ZUNIs hit one
>of the MiGs, which disintegrated in a ball of flame. SPLASH ONE MIG! T.R.
>Swartz retured safely to USS Bon Homme Richard that day, his action marking
>the first, and only, shoot-down of an enemy aircraft by a Skyhawk during the
>Vietnam War."
>
> As for shooting one's self down Doc, my favorite is "The F-11 Tiger is
>noted for being the first jet aircraft to shoot itself down. On 21 September
>1956, during a test firing of its 20 mm cannons, pilot Tom Attridge fired
>two bursts mid-way through a shallow dive. As the velocity and trajectory of
>the cannon rounds decayed, they ultimately crossed paths with the Tiger as
>it continued its descent, disabling it and forcing Attridge to crash land
>the aircraft. The pilot survived." My question is: Had Attridge already
>had four kills, would he have become an Ace for shooting himself down?!?
>After all don't they say "A kill is a kill"?
>
>Mark Davis
>N44YK
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:33 PM
>Subject: Yak-List: Skyhawk Killing Mig-17
>
>
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> Unless this amazing ty[e of a kill actually happened earlier in Vietnam,
>> the documented kill of an A-4 Skyhawk that shot down a Mig-17 with a salvo
>> of Zuni rockets was by an Israeli pilot Col. Ezra "Babban" Dotan over
>> Syria/South Lebanon border on May 12th, 1970.
>>
>> Please check www.skyhawk.org/2e/israel/israeli-skyhawk-combat.htm
>> and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-4_Skyhawk (Scroll down to section
>> discussing the A-4 combat history in the Israeli Airforce)
>>
>> Col. Dotan shot down two Mig-17s that day... one with his Defa 30mm Cannon
>> and than he ran out of ammo while in perfect close range and 6 O'clock
>> position behind the second Mig-17. Had to be quite frustrating! He still
>> had 2 pods of Zuni rockets... the first salvo fell well below the Mig-17.
>> He raised his nose quite high, "guestimating" the trajectory of the
>> rockets and fired the second salvo. The Mig exploded - he had no chance
>> to avoid the debris and flew right through them causing damage to the tail
>> surfaces and engine. He was able to nurse the Skyhawk back for a safe
>> landing.
>>
>> The reason I know the story is that he told it to me in person. His total
>> career score was 5 kills (Ace)- his other three Kills were all in Mirage
>> III. Unfortunately, he died of Cancer not an old man.
>>
>> FWIW,
>>
>> Sam Sax
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Mark Davis <mark@pld.com>
>>>Sent: Jun 30, 2008 7:16 PM
>>>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: Yak-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 06/25/08
>>>
>>>
>>>For lucky shots, my favorite is the A-4 Skyhawk that shot down a Mig 17 in
>>>VietNam with a salvo of Zuni rockets. Had to have been the most
>>>impressive
>>>shootdown of the war!
>>>
>>>Mark Davis
>>>N44YK
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: yak inst. |
Bob,
The best way to test it is to put it in a large zip lock bag. Make sure the
bag contains quite a bit of air when you seal it. Then gently squeeze the
bag you should see a change. My guess is that your guage is has a problem,
and the reason it works by blowing into it is that you able to exert a lot
more force with your blowing and sucking than your static system can. The
two ports are static and pitot. I do carry the CJ6 rate of climbs in stock,
and am pretty sure they will function in your aircraft.
Best from here.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Robert Schwartz <delfin_driver@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> gentlemen
>
> I have a YAK just got flying and I am having a problem with front cockpit
> rate of climb indicator. I am getting no climb or desend indication
> whatsoever from the guage. Rear panel one works. I removed the instrument
> and when blowing/sucking it appears to be free and function correctly.
> There are 2 lines to the instrument., I am assuming 1 static line to the
> system and one line to the rear cockpit, so instructor can take away this
> guage during practice flights. How can I be sure I have the 2 hoses
> connected correctly. They both look alike and there are no markings to
> seperate the two??
>
> Any suggestions as to the problem?
> thanks
> Bob
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: yak inst. |
Don't be blowing and sucking on your instruments. You can easily overpressure the
diaphragms causing distortion and inaccurate readings. Or worse.
Doug!!!!!!! - the one using pitot and static is the A/S indicator. The VSI has
only a static input.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
Bob,
The best way to test it is to put it in a large zip lock bag. Make sure the
bag contains quite a bit of air when you seal it. Then gently squeeze the bag
you should see a change. My guess is that your guage is has a problem, and the
reason it works by blowing into it is that you able to exert a lot more force
with your blowing and sucking than your static system can. The two ports are
static and pitot. I do carry the CJ6 rate of climbs in stock, and am pretty
sure they will function in your aircraft.
Best from here.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Robert Schwartz <delfin_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
gentlemen
I have a YAK just got flying and I am having a problem with front cockpit
rate of climb indicator. I am getting no climb or desend indication whatsoever
from the guage. Rear panel one works. I removed the instrument and when blowing/sucking
it appears to be free and function correctly. There are 2 lines
to the instrument., I am assuming 1 static line to the system and one line to
the rear cockpit, so instructor can take away this guage during practice flights.
How can I be sure I have the 2 hoses connected correctly. They both look
alike and there are no markings to seperate the two??
Any suggestions as to the problem?
thanks
Bob
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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Disconnect and plug both hoses and connect two other hoses and arrange them
to be accessible in the cockpit. One is a vent line for the static leak, the
other is the static line itself. Plug one hose and fly the plane. If the
gauge works then you know the open line is for the static line and the
plugged one is the leak vent which renders the gauge inop. If the gauge is
not working, plug the other line and see what happens. The gauge won't be
that accurate without the static line, but it will still do something.
Pete
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Schwartz
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
gentlemen
I have a YAK just got flying and I am having a problem with front cockpit
rate of climb indicator. I am getting no climb or desend indication
whatsoever from the guage. Rear panel one works. I removed the instrument
and when blowing/sucking it appears to be free and function correctly.
There are 2 lines to the instrument., I am assuming 1 static line to the
system and one line to the rear cockpit, so instructor can take away this
guage during practice flights. How can I be sure I have the 2 hoses
connected correctly. They both look alike and there are no markings to
seperate the two??
Any suggestions as to the problem?
thanks
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: yak inst. |
=0A-The vsi on the Yak 52 has two ports.- Since VSI is a static instrum
ent, I am assuming one of the lines goes to the rear cockkpit (instructor).
- But, the lines are not marked. Does anyone kow for sure about these?=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Walter Lannon <wlannon@pers
ona.ca>=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 12:01:06
PM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.=0A=0A=0A-=0ADon't be blowing a
nd sucking on-your instruments. You can easily overpressure the diaphragm
s causing distortion and inaccurate readings. Or worse.=0ADoug!!!!!!! - the
one-using pitot and static is-the A/S indicator. The-VSI has only a
static input.=0A-=0AWalt--=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: do
ug sapp =0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:12
AM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.=0A=0ABob,=0AThe best way to test
it is to put it in a large zip lock bag.- Make sure the bag contains quit
e a bit of air when you seal it.- Then gently squeeze the bag you should
see a change.- My guess is that your guage is has a problem, and the reas
on it works by blowing into it is that you able to exert a lot more force w
ith your blowing and sucking than your static system can.- The two ports
are static and pitot.-I do carry the CJ6 rate of climbs in stock, and am
pretty sure they will function in your aircraft.=0A-=0ABest from here.=0A
-=0A=0A=0A-=0AOn Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Robert Schwartz <delfin_d
river@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0A-gentlemen=0A-=0AI have a- YAK just g
ot flying and I am having a problem with front cockpit rate of climb indica
tor.- I am getting no climb or desend indication whatsoever from the guag
e. Rear panel one works.-- I removed the instrument and when blowing/su
cking it appears to be free and function correctly.- There are 2 lines to
the instrument., I am assuming 1 static line to the system and one line to
the rear cockpit, so instructor can take away this guage during practice f
lights.- How can I be sure I have the 2 hoses connected correctly. They b
oth look alike and there are- no markings to seperate the two??=0A-=0AA
ny suggestions as to the problem?=0Athanks---- =0ABob=0A-=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0AAlways Yakin,=0ADoug Sapp=0APhone 509-826-4610=0AFax 5
09-826-3644 =0A=0A=0A
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The VSI's in the Yak 52 are different. And they are different between
the front and rear cockpit, even though the basic part number DA-30 is
similar. But the front has one more character which I just don't
remember what it is. Not important except that the front has an
internal capillary tube which is used during instructor disabling that
forces the VSI to zero regardless of vertical speed. One side of the
VSI is connected to the disabling solenoid. If you try to bypass the
disabling solenoid, (electrically operated), the VSI in the front
cockpit will not function properly. Best thing to do is disconnect the
electrical wires from the solenoid so it can't be activated.
If you find a DA-30 from a rear cockpit, you can substitute it by simply
connecting the static line to the instrument.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
Bob,
The best way to test it is to put it in a large zip lock bag. Make
sure the bag contains quite a bit of air when you seal it. Then gently
squeeze the bag you should see a change. My guess is that your guage is
has a problem, and the reason it works by blowing into it is that you
able to exert a lot more force with your blowing and sucking than your
static system can. The two ports are static and pitot. I do carry the
CJ6 rate of climbs in stock, and am pretty sure they will function in
your aircraft.
Best from here.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Robert Schwartz
<delfin_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
gentlemen
I have a YAK just got flying and I am having a problem with front
cockpit rate of climb indicator. I am getting no climb or desend
indication whatsoever from the guage. Rear panel one works. I removed
the instrument and when blowing/sucking it appears to be free and
function correctly. There are 2 lines to the instrument., I am assuming
1 static line to the system and one line to the rear cockpit, so
instructor can take away this guage during practice flights. How can I
be sure I have the 2 hoses connected correctly. They both look alike and
there are no markings to seperate the two??
Any suggestions as to the problem?
thanks
Bob
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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Nope. The rear cockpit is connected directly to the static line. The
front is connected to static AND the disabling solenoid. I guess
technically one could say the front is connected to the rear since the
static line is common to both. Although the instruments look the same,
the rear instrument only has one port, whereas the front has 2 ports.
One of which goes to the disabling solenoid.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Schwartz
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
The vsi on the Yak 52 has two ports. Since VSI is a static
instrument, I am assuming one of the lines goes to the rear cockkpit
(instructor). But, the lines are not marked. Does anyone kow for sure
about these?
----- Original Message ----
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon@persona.ca>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 12:01:06 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
Don't be blowing and sucking on your instruments. You can easily
overpressure the diaphragms causing distortion and inaccurate readings.
Or worse.
Doug!!!!!!! - the one using pitot and static is the A/S indicator. The
VSI has only a static input.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
Bob,
The best way to test it is to put it in a large zip lock bag. Make
sure the bag contains quite a bit of air when you seal it. Then gently
squeeze the bag you should see a change. My guess is that your guage is
has a problem, and the reason it works by blowing into it is that you
able to exert a lot more force with your blowing and sucking than your
static system can. The two ports are static and pitot. I do carry the
CJ6 rate of climbs in stock, and am pretty sure they will function in
your aircraft.
Best from here.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Robert Schwartz
<delfin_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
gentlemen
I have a YAK just got flying and I am having a problem with front
cockpit rate of climb indicator. I am getting no climb or desend
indication whatsoever from the guage. Rear panel one works. I removed
the instrument and when blowing/sucking it appears to be free and
function correctly. There are 2 lines to the instrument., I am assuming
1 static line to the system and one line to the rear cockpit, so
instructor can take away this guage during practice flights. How can I
be sure I have the 2 hoses connected correctly. They both look alike and
there are no markings to seperate the two??
Any suggestions as to the problem?
thanks
Bob
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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Peter=0A-thanks for the input. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----
=0AFrom: Peter K. Van Staagen <petervs@knology.net>=0ATo: yak-list@matronic
s.com=0ASent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 12:42:11 PM=0ASubject: RE: Yak-List: Fw
: yak inst.=0A=0A=0ADisconnect and plug both hoses and connect two other ho
ses and arrange them to be accessible in the cockpit. One is a vent line fo
r the static leak, the other is the static line itself. Plug one hose and f
ly the plane. If the gauge works then you know the open line is for the sta
tic line and the plugged one is the leak vent which renders the gauge inop.
If the gauge is not working, plug the other line and see what happens. The
gauge won=A2t be that accurate without the static line, but it will still
do something.=0A-=0APete=0A-=0AFrom:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Schwartz
=0ASent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:39 AM=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASubj
ect: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.=0A-=0A=0A-gentlemen=0A-=0AI have a
- YAK just got flying and I am having a problem with front cockpit rate o
f climb indicator.- I am getting no climb or desend indication whatsoever
from the guage. Rear panel one works.-- I removed the instrument and w
hen blowing/sucking it appears to be free and function correctly.- There
are 2 lines to the instrument., I am assuming 1 static line to the system a
nd one line to the rear cockpit, so instructor can take away this guage dur
ing practice flights.- How can I be sure I have the 2 hoses connected cor
rectly. They both look alike and there are- no markings to seperate the t
wo??=0A-=0AAny suggestions as to the problem?=0Athanks---- =0ABob
=0A-=0A-=0A -=0A -=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List=0A
http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A -
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=0A-thanks everyone for the help. There are 2 ports on the front vsi. Doe
s anyone remember which is for static and which is for the disabling soleno
id?--- They are labeled 1 and 2-------- also, any dis
tinguishing ways to know which hose is the static and which goes to the ins
tructor board?=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: A. Dennis Savarese
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday,
July 1, 2008 1:26:06 PM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.=0A=0A=0AThe
VSI's in the Yak 52 are different.- And they are different between the f
ront and rear cockpit, even though the basic part number DA-30 is similar.
- But the front has one more character which I just don't remember what i
t is.- Not important except that-the front has an internal capillary tu
be which is used during instructor disabling that forces the VSI to zero re
gardless of vertical speed.- One side of the VSI is connected to the disa
bling solenoid.- If you try to bypass the disabling solenoid, (electrical
ly operated), the VSI in the front cockpit will not function properly.-
-Best thing to do is disconnect the electrical wires from the solenoid so
it can't be activated.=0A-=0AIf you find a DA-30 from a rear cockpit, yo
u can substitute it by simply connecting the static line to the instrument.
=0ADennis=0A-=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: doug sapp =0ATo: ya
k-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:12 AM=0ASubject: Re
: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.=0A=0ABob,=0AThe best way to test it is to put it
in a large zip lock bag.- Make sure the bag contains quite a bit of air w
hen you seal it.- Then gently squeeze the bag you should see a change.-
My guess is that your guage is has a problem, and the reason it works by b
lowing into it is that you able to exert a lot more force with your blowing
and sucking than your static system can.- The two ports are static and p
itot.-I do carry the CJ6 rate of climbs in stock, and am pretty sure they
will function in your aircraft.=0A-=0ABest from here.=0A-=0A=0A=0A-
=0AOn Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Robert Schwartz <delfin_driver@yahoo.com
> wrote:=0A=0A=0A-gentlemen=0A-=0AI have a- YAK just got flying and I
am having a problem with front cockpit rate of climb indicator.- I am ge
tting no climb or desend indication whatsoever from the guage. Rear panel o
ne works.-- I removed the instrument and when blowing/sucking it appear
s to be free and function correctly.- There are 2 lines to the instrument
., I am assuming 1 static line to the system and one line to the rear cockp
it, so instructor can take away this guage during practice flights.- How
can I be sure I have the 2 hoses connected correctly. They both look alike
and there are- no markings to seperate the two??=0A-=0AAny suggestions
as to the problem?=0Athanks---- =0ABob=0A-=0A =0A=0A=0A--
=0AAlways Yakin,=0ADoug Sapp=0APhone 509-826-4610=0AFax 509-826-3644 =0A
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.
matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.ma
===== =0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Last Chance - West Bend Rooms |
Hey Craig,
How ya doing? What was the url for your web page for CJ accessories?
Semper Fi
DaBear
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: yak-list
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:52 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Last Chance - West Bend Rooms
Folks just deciding to head to West Bend before Oshkosh? The RPA block
hold on rooms expires this Friday, the 4th. Call direct at 262-334-0307,
NOT the 800 number. The owner will grant 5 more rooms under our RPA
discount, after that it's whatever they normally get.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: yak inst. |
A quick primer on the VSI --
A single static source to the instrument goes to an internal manifold which in
turn connects to the diaphragm via a tube and to the inside of the case via second
MUCH smaller capillary tube.
It will register climb or descent due to the differential pressure change inside
and outside the diaphragm because of the flow restricting action of the capillary.
If one wanted to make a VSI fail to operate you would put a second fitting into
the case connected directly to a valve (manual or elec.) which in turn connects
back to the static source.
With the valve open the diaphragm and the case interior will always experience
the same static pressure and the instrument will read zero.
Assuming it reads zero (and not some other incorrect reading) the most likely problem
is a failed override valve. A case, or line, leak would open it to cockpit
pressure which may result in a zero reading but more likely a variable error.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
The VSI's in the Yak 52 are different. And they are different between the front
and rear cockpit, even though the basic part number DA-30 is similar. But
the front has one more character which I just don't remember what it is. Not
important except that the front has an internal capillary tube which is used
during instructor disabling that forces the VSI to zero regardless of vertical
speed. One side of the VSI is connected to the disabling solenoid. If you try
to bypass the disabling solenoid, (electrically operated), the VSI in the front
cockpit will not function properly. Best thing to do is disconnect the electrical
wires from the solenoid so it can't be activated.
If you find a DA-30 from a rear cockpit, you can substitute it by simply connecting
the static line to the instrument.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
Bob,
The best way to test it is to put it in a large zip lock bag. Make sure the
bag contains quite a bit of air when you seal it. Then gently squeeze the bag
you should see a change. My guess is that your guage is has a problem, and
the reason it works by blowing into it is that you able to exert a lot more force
with your blowing and sucking than your static system can. The two ports
are static and pitot. I do carry the CJ6 rate of climbs in stock, and am pretty
sure they will function in your aircraft.
Best from here.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Robert Schwartz <delfin_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
gentlemen
I have a YAK just got flying and I am having a problem with front cockpit
rate of climb indicator. I am getting no climb or desend indication whatsoever
from the guage. Rear panel one works. I removed the instrument and when
blowing/sucking it appears to be free and function correctly. There are 2 lines
to the instrument., I am assuming 1 static line to the system and one line
to the rear cockpit, so instructor can take away this guage during practice flights.
How can I be sure I have the 2 hoses connected correctly. They both look
alike and there are no markings to seperate the two??
Any suggestions as to the problem?
thanks
Bob
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: yak inst. |
Robert,
Check the one in the rear cockpit. The static ports are the same for
the front and rear. Once you figure that out, then the other port goes
to the disabling solenoid.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Schwartz
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
thanks everyone for the help. There are 2 ports on the front vsi.
Does anyone remember which is for static and which is for the disabling
solenoid? They are labeled 1 and 2 also, any distinguishing
ways to know which hose is the static and which goes to the instructor
board?
----- Original Message ----
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 1:26:06 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
The VSI's in the Yak 52 are different. And they are different between
the front and rear cockpit, even though the basic part number DA-30 is
similar. But the front has one more character which I just don't
remember what it is. Not important except that the front has an
internal capillary tube which is used during instructor disabling that
forces the VSI to zero regardless of vertical speed. One side of the
VSI is connected to the disabling solenoid. If you try to bypass the
disabling solenoid, (electrically operated), the VSI in the front
cockpit will not function properly. Best thing to do is disconnect the
electrical wires from the solenoid so it can't be activated.
If you find a DA-30 from a rear cockpit, you can substitute it by
simply connecting the static line to the instrument.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
Bob,
The best way to test it is to put it in a large zip lock bag. Make
sure the bag contains quite a bit of air when you seal it. Then gently
squeeze the bag you should see a change. My guess is that your guage is
has a problem, and the reason it works by blowing into it is that you
able to exert a lot more force with your blowing and sucking than your
static system can. The two ports are static and pitot. I do carry the
CJ6 rate of climbs in stock, and am pretty sure they will function in
your aircraft.
Best from here.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Robert Schwartz
<delfin_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
gentlemen
I have a YAK just got flying and I am having a problem with front
cockpit rate of climb indicator. I am getting no climb or desend
indication whatsoever from the guage. Rear panel one works. I removed
the instrument and when blowing/sucking it appears to be free and
function correctly. There are 2 lines to the instrument., I am assuming
1 static line to the system and one line to the rear cockpit, so
instructor can take away this guage during practice flights. How can I
be sure I have the 2 hoses connected correctly. They both look alike and
there are no markings to seperate the two??
Any suggestions as to the problem?
thanks
Bob
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?Yak-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: yak inst. |
Walt,
You never cease to impress me with your knowledge. I am always in awe
whenever I read your posts.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
A quick primer on the VSI --
A single static source to the instrument goes to an internal manifold
which in turn connects to the diaphragm via a tube and to the inside of
the case via second MUCH smaller capillary tube.
It will register climb or descent due to the differential pressure
change inside and outside the diaphragm because of the flow restricting
action of the capillary.
If one wanted to make a VSI fail to operate you would put a second
fitting into the case connected directly to a valve (manual or elec.)
which in turn connects back to the static source.
With the valve open the diaphragm and the case interior will always
experience the same static pressure and the instrument will read zero.
Assuming it reads zero (and not some other incorrect reading) the most
likely problem is a failed override valve. A case, or line, leak would
open it to cockpit pressure which may result in a zero reading but more
likely a variable error.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
The VSI's in the Yak 52 are different. And they are different
between the front and rear cockpit, even though the basic part number
DA-30 is similar. But the front has one more character which I just
don't remember what it is. Not important except that the front has an
internal capillary tube which is used during instructor disabling that
forces the VSI to zero regardless of vertical speed. One side of the
VSI is connected to the disabling solenoid. If you try to bypass the
disabling solenoid, (electrically operated), the VSI in the front
cockpit will not function properly. Best thing to do is disconnect the
electrical wires from the solenoid so it can't be activated.
If you find a DA-30 from a rear cockpit, you can substitute it by
simply connecting the static line to the instrument.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fw: yak inst.
Bob,
The best way to test it is to put it in a large zip lock bag.
Make sure the bag contains quite a bit of air when you seal it. Then
gently squeeze the bag you should see a change. My guess is that your
guage is has a problem, and the reason it works by blowing into it is
that you able to exert a lot more force with your blowing and sucking
than your static system can. The two ports are static and pitot. I do
carry the CJ6 rate of climbs in stock, and am pretty sure they will
function in your aircraft.
Best from here.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Robert Schwartz
<delfin_driver@yahoo.com> wrote:
gentlemen
I have a YAK just got flying and I am having a problem with
front cockpit rate of climb indicator. I am getting no climb or desend
indication whatsoever from the guage. Rear panel one works. I removed
the instrument and when blowing/sucking it appears to be free and
function correctly. There are 2 lines to the instrument., I am assuming
1 static line to the system and one line to the rear cockpit, so
instructor can take away this guage during practice flights. How can I
be sure I have the 2 hoses connected correctly. They both look alike and
there are no markings to seperate the two??
Any suggestions as to the problem?
thanks
Bob
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Yak-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
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Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
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a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
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Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
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Look for the link "Image Resizer"
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*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
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automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
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Please forward this information to the following email address:
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
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the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
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updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
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content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
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The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
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One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Yak-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Yak-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Yak-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Yak-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Yak-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Yak-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Yak-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Yak
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them to:
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
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Dear Listers,
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The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
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response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
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to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
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polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
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