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1. 07:34 AM - engines (Joe Howse)
2. 09:06 AM - Re: News from Russia (doug sapp)
3. 10:39 AM - Re: News from Russia (Roger Baker)
4. 01:34 PM - Re: News from Russia (SD737@aol.com)
5. 01:37 PM - Exhaust spanner tool (Jill Gernetzke)
6. 01:50 PM - Re: Exhaust spanner tool (Dee Conger)
7. 05:12 PM - Re: News from Russia (Dee Conger)
8. 07:50 PM - A New Way to Get a CJ Out of a Hangar (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
9. 08:14 PM - Re: News from Russia (Roger Kemp MD)
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I cannot beleive the Chinese would bother to copy the M14P engine when
they already have built the 400 HP H6K HUOSAI.
Fred Ihlenberg had the first one in North America in his CJ.
I am not sure where his airplane ended up.
I flew one in my CJ for several months (several CJ pilots tried my
airplane), Then the engine was sold to Richard Hess in Atlanta,
he had agreed to demo the engine for the Chinese to test the market for
further production.
The all metal JL2 3 blade prop was developed for this engine with the
splined hub. ( subsequently I had them build the JL2B with the flanged
hub to fit the M14P)
In my opinion the H6K was superior to the M14, much smoother running
Perhaps Richard has info on further production.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: News from Russia |
Boat Anchor???
6 lbs. A standard Yak 52 rings weighs 6.8 lbs, a CJ6 ring weighs 5.8
pounds.
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Dee Conger <dee@innoviveinc.com> wrote:
> How much does that boat anchor weigh?
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *doug sapp
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:24 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: News from Russia
>
>
> Richard,
>
> Doug Sapp here. Recently I purchased several M14B engines (AN-14), each
> was equiped with a mount ring which was not of the normal tubular type
> construction, but is it flat stock and appears to be solid metal. The
> attach points where the mount legs attach are "eye bolts" rather than a
> welded on tab. It was suggested to me that these may be the same as used on
> the suk? Can you please look at the photos and give me your opinion?
>
>
> Best from here.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Richard Goode <
> richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
>
> I have just returned from Russia and thought that Russian aircraft Owners
> might be interested in a variety of developments:
>
>
> *Yak-54*
>
>
> The Yak-54 had a total of seventeen aircraft made at the Saratov factory,
> and production has, over the last year been moved to the Arsenyev factory in
> Russian Far East. Five aircraft have now been made at Arsenyev and are for
> sale. Ex factory price is Euro 200,000 - say US $310,000! The aircraft
> however has full certification in Russia, and now has a "Lifetime" of 2,000
> hours.
>
>
> Apparently factory capacity is twenty/thirty aircraft are year, but I
> suspect that the market capacity is far less.
>
>
> Also Arsenyev are finally producing some Service Bulletins for Yak-54s
> which are not dissimilar to those of 59 and 60 on Yak-52 for wing mountings,
> as well as strengthening of stabilisers.
>
>
> *Yak-52*
>
>
> Yakovlev and the military manufacturing unit at Kubinka near Moscow have
> made three Yak-52M aircraft. These are effectively 52s, but with the
> Zvesda extraction seats; 260 litres of fuel; 400hp; 3-blade (Russian) MT
> props and a bubble canopy.
>
>
> We were told that one hundred aircraft were to be made, but that does not
> seem to be happening.
>
>
> *Yak-152*
>
>
> This is an interesting deal, since it is being done on a 50/50 basis with
> the Chinese government.
>
>
> The aircraft has been improved in a number of small aerodynamic ways, but
> principally through a fully retracting undercarriage (inwards), but
> otherwise as the 52M.
>
>
> It is having a Chinese 3-blade prop of their own design.
>
>
> The Chinese have, as part of the deal, taken three 400hp M14PF engines, but
> the Russian view is that they will be using this to copy and manufacture
> their own engines.
>
>
> I understand this is intended to be a major production for China -
> presumably it will end up replacing all CJ6 aircraft.
>
>
> The first prototype will be manufactured by the end of this year, and fly
> early next.
>
>
> Clearly the performance is greatly enhanced - maximum level speed is
> calculated 370kph.
>
>
> *Yak-58T*
>
>
> Some might remember the original Yak-58 which was a 6-seat, M14P engined,
> but "pusher" aircraft. In my own view the design was basically good, but
> the prototype stalled on approach to the Berlin Air Show a number of years
> ago and crashed, which seemingly stopped the programme. However recent
> news is that testing has recommenced on two remaining aircraft.
>
>
> However for some reason, Yak have used the same number for a totally
> different number for the 58T. This is a 6-seat 18T development, in which
> it is intended either to use these Centurion 350hp diesel or the Mistral
> 350hp rotary engine.
>
>
> It is a 6-seater, considerably sleeker and seemingly more streamlined than
> the 18T. They have funding to make some prototypes, but whether this is a
> serious and long-term project I cannot say.
>
>
> I can send drawings and details directly to anyone who might be interested.
>
>
> *Yak-18T production*
>
>
> As I have written before the Russian Minister of Transport placed an order
> for sixty 18T aircraft with the Smolensk factory.
>
>
> It would seem that Smolensk are being fairly efficient, and almost on
> schedule with twenty-two aircraft made, but they are having major problems
> with engine deliveries. These aircraft have an all-Garmin cockpit with 530
> GNS; American horizon etc. The propeller is the 3-blade metal Avia prop made
> in Czech Republic, but note that the Avia factory is now owned by MT.
>
>
> The M14P factory is having major problems to produce these engines for the
> new 18Ts. The view currently is that engines are roughly one-third
> "new-old stock"; one-third totally new parts; one third overhauled parts.
>
>
> Engine rebuilders in various places around the world have been obtaining
> parts over the last five / six years from the "back-door" of the factory,
> and apparently FSB (new KGB) have been called in and I hear that the
> back-door is firmly closed.
>
>
> Vedeneyev however are saying that the Russian government is expecting no
> less than 2,000 engines to be built over the next fifteen years, but
> everyone is looking pessimistic and says that this will never happen.
>
>
> *Yak-55*
>
>
> There have been rumours of a Service Bulletin for wing mountings on the
> 55. Like many things in Russia this is somewhat confused, but the latest
> information is that there is a "Manufacturers Directive" but not a formal
> Service Bulletin. This involves replacing the wing mountings on the wings
> themselves, but not the corresponding fuselage mountings. It gives a
> further 250 hours, and then again needs to be repeated. I suspect that,
> since it is not mandatory, this is not so important, but if I were a 55
> owner I would make repetitive crack-tests of wing mountings on a regular
> basis.
>
>
> *Carburettors*
>
>
> All carburettors were made at a prison factory outside Perm. Rumours that
> I had heard over the last couple of years are now substantiated, and the
> prison has been closed - indeed demolished. I suspect it unlikely that
> there will be new carburettors for the future.
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Herefordshire
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
>
> --
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
> Phone 509-826-4610
> Fax 509-826-3644
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Re: News from Russia |
Hi Doug,
=46rom the picture, the engine ring looks to be the same as on
Sukhoi Su-29 and Su-31. Made of titanium.
I'm going out to RNM to fly my -29 later today and I'll look at
the ring on it more closely. If different than your pictue, I'll
update you.
Best regards,
Roger
Baker___________________________________________________________________
____
On Jul 10, 2008, at 12:23 PM, doug sapp wrote:
> Richard,
> Doug Sapp here. Recently I purchased several M14B engines (AN-14),
> each was equiped with a mount ring which was not of the normal
> tubular type construction, but is it flat stock and appears to be
> solid metal. The attach points where the mount legs attach are
> "eye bolts" rather than a welded on tab. It was suggested to me
> that these may be the same as used on the suk? Can you please look
> at the photos and give me your opinion?
>
> Best from here.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Richard Goode
> <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
> I have just returned from Russia and thought that Russian aircraft
> Owners might be interested in a variety of developments:
>
> Yak-54
>
> The Yak-54 had a total of seventeen aircraft made at the Saratov
> factory, and production has, over the last year been moved to the
> Arsenyev factory in Russian Far East. Five aircraft have now been
> made at Arsenyev and are for sale. Ex factory price is Euro
> 200,000 - say US $310,000! The aircraft however has full
> certification in Russia, and now has a "Lifetime" of 2,000 hours.
>
> Apparently factory capacity is twenty/thirty aircraft are year, but
> I suspect that the market capacity is far less.
>
> Also Arsenyev are finally producing some Service Bulletins for
> Yak-54s which are not dissimilar to those of 59 and 60 on Yak-52
> for wing mountings, as well as strengthening of stabilisers.
>
> Yak-52
>
> Yakovlev and the military manufacturing unit at Kubinka near Moscow
> have made three Yak-52M aircraft. These are effectively 52s, but
> with the Zvesda extraction seats; 260 litres of fuel; 400hp; 3-
> blade (Russian) MT props and a bubble canopy.
>
> We were told that one hundred aircraft were to be made, but that
> does not seem to be happening.
>
> Yak-152
>
> This is an interesting deal, since it is being done on a 50/50
> basis with the Chinese government.
>
> The aircraft has been improved in a number of small aerodynamic
> ways, but principally through a fully retracting undercarriage
> (inwards), but otherwise as the 52M.
>
> It is having a Chinese 3-blade prop of their own design.
>
> The Chinese have, as part of the deal, taken three 400hp M14PF
> engines, but the Russian view is that they will be using this to
> copy and manufacture their own engines.
>
> I understand this is intended to be a major production for China -
> presumably it will end up replacing all CJ6 aircraft.
>
> The first prototype will be manufactured by the end of this year,
> and fly early next.
>
> Clearly the performance is greatly enhanced - maximum level speed
> is calculated 370kph.
>
> Yak-58T
>
> Some might remember the original Yak-58 which was a 6-seat, M14P
> engined, but "pusher" aircraft. In my own view the design was
> basically good, but the prototype stalled on approach to the Berlin
> Air Show a number of years ago and crashed, which seemingly stopped
> the programme. However recent news is that testing has
> recommenced on two remaining aircraft.
>
> However for some reason, Yak have used the same number for a
> totally different number for the 58T. This is a 6-seat 18T
> development, in which it is intended either to use these Centurion
> 350hp diesel or the Mistral 350hp rotary engine.
>
> It is a 6-seater, considerably sleeker and seemingly more
> streamlined than the 18T. They have funding to make some
> prototypes, but whether this is a serious and long-term project I
> cannot say.
>
> I can send drawings and details directly to anyone who might be
> interested.
>
> Yak-18T production
>
> As I have written before the Russian Minister of Transport placed
> an order for sixty 18T aircraft with the Smolensk factory.
>
> It would seem that Smolensk are being fairly efficient, and almost
> on schedule with twenty-two aircraft made, but they are having
> major problems with engine deliveries. These aircraft have an all-
> Garmin cockpit with 530 GNS; American horizon etc. The propeller is
> the 3-blade metal Avia prop made in Czech Republic, but note that
> the Avia factory is now owned by MT.
>
> The M14P factory is having major problems to produce these engines
> for the new 18Ts. The view currently is that engines are roughly
> one-third "new-old stock"; one-third totally new parts; one third
> overhauled parts.
>
> Engine rebuilders in various places around the world have been
> obtaining parts over the last five / six years from the "back-door"
> of the factory, and apparently FSB (new KGB) have been called in
> and I hear that the back-door is firmly closed.
>
> Vedeneyev however are saying that the Russian government is
> expecting no less than 2,000 engines to be built over the next
> fifteen years, but everyone is looking pessimistic and says that
> this will never happen.
>
> Yak-55
>
> There have been rumours of a Service Bulletin for wing mountings on
> the 55. Like many things in Russia this is somewhat confused, but
> the latest information is that there is a "Manufacturers Directive"
> but not a formal Service Bulletin. This involves replacing the
> wing mountings on the wings themselves, but not the corresponding
> fuselage mountings. It gives a further 250 hours, and then again
> needs to be repeated. I suspect that, since it is not mandatory,
> this is not so important, but if I were a 55 owner I would make
> repetitive crack-tests of wing mountings on a regular basis.
>
> Carburettors
>
> All carburettors were made at a prison factory outside Perm.
> Rumours that I had heard over the last couple of years are now
> substantiated, and the prison has been closed - indeed
> demolished. I suspect it unlikely that there will be new
> carburettors for the future.
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Herefordshire
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
> --
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
> Phone 509-826-4610
> Fax 509-826-3644 =EF=BC=EF=BC
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| Subject: | Re: News from Russia |
How do I unsubscribe from the Yak-list???
I need to set up a separate email account for the Yak list so that all of
the Yak chatter goes into a separate email account. Too much random chatter
that fills my email box and then I end up missing emails that I need to get.
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| Subject: | Exhaust spanner tool |
Group,
I just got a batch of exhaust/intake nut spanner wrenches back from my
machinist. Contact me offlist if you need one.
Jill Gernetzke
M-14P, Incorporated
4905 Flightline Drive
Kingman, AZ 86401 -7417
(928)-681-4400
Fax(928)681-4404
www.m-14p.com
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| Subject: | Exhaust spanner tool |
Hi jill - what is the price?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Exhaust spanner tool
Group,
I just got a batch of exhaust/intake nut spanner wrenches back from my
machinist. Contact me offlist if you need one.
Jill Gernetzke
M-14P, Incorporated
4905 Flightline Drive
Kingman, AZ 86401 -7417
(928)-681-4400
Fax(928)681-4404
www.m-14p.com
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| Subject: | News from Russia |
Looked much heavier to me - 6 lbs is not bad.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: News from Russia
Boat Anchor???
6 lbs. A standard Yak 52 rings weighs 6.8 lbs, a CJ6 ring weighs 5.8
pounds.
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Dee Conger <dee@innoviveinc.com>
wrote:
How much does that boat anchor weigh?
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: News from Russia
Richard,
Doug Sapp here. Recently I purchased several M14B engines (AN-14), each
was equiped with a mount ring which was not of the normal tubular type
construction, but is it flat stock and appears to be solid metal. The
attach points where the mount legs attach are "eye bolts" rather than a
welded on tab. It was suggested to me that these may be the same as
used on the suk? Can you please look at the photos and give me your
opinion?
Best from here.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Richard Goode
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote:
I have just returned from Russia and thought that Russian aircraft
Owners might be interested in a variety of developments:
Yak-54
The Yak-54 had a total of seventeen aircraft made at the Saratov
factory, and production has, over the last year been moved to the
Arsenyev factory in Russian Far East. Five aircraft have now been made
at Arsenyev and are for sale. Ex factory price is Euro 200,000 - say
US $310,000! The aircraft however has full certification in Russia,
and now has a "Lifetime" of 2,000 hours.
Apparently factory capacity is twenty/thirty aircraft are year, but I
suspect that the market capacity is far less.
Also Arsenyev are finally producing some Service Bulletins for Yak-54s
which are not dissimilar to those of 59 and 60 on Yak-52 for wing
mountings, as well as strengthening of stabilisers.
Yak-52
Yakovlev and the military manufacturing unit at Kubinka near Moscow have
made three Yak-52M aircraft. These are effectively 52s, but with the
Zvesda extraction seats; 260 litres of fuel; 400hp; 3-blade (Russian) MT
props and a bubble canopy.
We were told that one hundred aircraft were to be made, but that does
not seem to be happening.
Yak-152
This is an interesting deal, since it is being done on a 50/50 basis
with the Chinese government.
The aircraft has been improved in a number of small aerodynamic ways,
but principally through a fully retracting undercarriage (inwards), but
otherwise as the 52M.
It is having a Chinese 3-blade prop of their own design.
The Chinese have, as part of the deal, taken three 400hp M14PF engines,
but the Russian view is that they will be using this to copy and
manufacture their own engines.
I understand this is intended to be a major production for China -
presumably it will end up replacing all CJ6 aircraft.
The first prototype will be manufactured by the end of this year, and
fly early next.
Clearly the performance is greatly enhanced - maximum level speed is
calculated 370kph.
Yak-58T
Some might remember the original Yak-58 which was a 6-seat, M14P
engined, but "pusher" aircraft. In my own view the design was
basically good, but the prototype stalled on approach to the Berlin Air
Show a number of years ago and crashed, which seemingly stopped the
programme. However recent news is that testing has recommenced on two
remaining aircraft.
However for some reason, Yak have used the same number for a totally
different number for the 58T. This is a 6-seat 18T development, in
which it is intended either to use these Centurion 350hp diesel or the
Mistral 350hp rotary engine.
It is a 6-seater, considerably sleeker and seemingly more streamlined
than the 18T. They have funding to make some prototypes, but whether
this is a serious and long-term project I cannot say.
I can send drawings and details directly to anyone who might be
interested.
Yak-18T production
As I have written before the Russian Minister of Transport placed an
order for sixty 18T aircraft with the Smolensk factory.
It would seem that Smolensk are being fairly efficient, and almost on
schedule with twenty-two aircraft made, but they are having major
problems with engine deliveries. These aircraft have an all-Garmin
cockpit with 530 GNS; American horizon etc. The propeller is the 3-blade
metal Avia prop made in Czech Republic, but note that the Avia factory
is now owned by MT.
The M14P factory is having major problems to produce these engines for
the new 18Ts. The view currently is that engines are roughly
one-third "new-old stock"; one-third totally new parts; one third
overhauled parts.
Engine rebuilders in various places around the world have been obtaining
parts over the last five / six years from the "back-door" of the
factory, and apparently FSB (new KGB) have been called in and I hear
that the back-door is firmly closed.
Vedeneyev however are saying that the Russian government is expecting no
less than 2,000 engines to be built over the next fifteen years, but
everyone is looking pessimistic and says that this will never happen.
Yak-55
There have been rumours of a Service Bulletin for wing mountings on the
55. Like many things in Russia this is somewhat confused, but the
latest information is that there is a "Manufacturers Directive" but not
a formal Service Bulletin. This involves replacing the wing mountings
on the wings themselves, but not the corresponding fuselage mountings.
It gives a further 250 hours, and then again needs to be repeated. I
suspect that, since it is not mandatory, this is not so important, but
if I were a 55 owner I would make repetitive crack-tests of wing
mountings on a regular basis.
Carburettors
All carburettors were made at a prison factory outside Perm. Rumours
that I had heard over the last couple of years are now substantiated,
and the prison has been closed - indeed demolished. I suspect it
unlikely that there will be new carburettors for the future.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129
www.russianaeros.com <http://www.russianaeros.com/>
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | A New Way to Get a CJ Out of a Hangar |
Check out this link!
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2672263.html
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192346#192346
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| Subject: | News from Russia |
Go to the navigator page on the matronics page.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SD737@aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: News from Russia
How do I unsubscribe from the Yak-list???
I need to set up a separate email account for the Yak list so that all of
the Yak chatter goes into a separate email account. Too much random
chatter that fills my email box and then I end up missing emails that I need
to get.
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