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1. 04:07 AM - Re: High Idle (Andrew Love)
2. 07:37 AM - Re: High Idle (Budd Davisson)
3. 12:07 PM - Re: Helmet Cam, On board Camera...ect...... (Tim Gagnon)
4. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Helmet Cam, On board Camera...ect...... (Kregg Victory)
5. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: News from Russia (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
6. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: News from Russia (doug sapp)
7. 07:41 PM - Re: Time is getting near - - - (CJcanuck)
8. 09:46 PM - Re: Re: Time is getting near - - - (cjpilot710@aol.com)
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Thanks for the input folks=2C we think we're onto it.
On another topic altogether=2C if anyone knows of a tidy S2A available for
sale from the factory that can be certified (or is already) please let me k
now=2C we have found one=2C but looking at other options=2C to be operated
privately=2C but would like it be ready for ATOs.
cheers=2C
Andrew Love
Contract Pilot
NZCPL (A)
Queenstown
New Zealand
P +64 3 451 0396 I F +64 3 342 5189 I M +64 21 8
18 816
From: heaysr@telus.net
Subject: RE: Yak-List: High Idle
Andrew=2C
It could also be carb ice. You are into
winter down-under and Queenstown is more chilly than Auckland. Cold & moist
I would
think. If you were running up at 46% to warm the oil=2C then pulled the
power off=2C ice in the carb will prevent a low idle. Work the throttle a b
it and
it may clear. If it is carb ice=2C be very wary because if your approach to
landing is a low power=2C ice may prevent you from getting the power comple
tely off
on rollout. Dicey if you have a short runway.
I get the problem in Vancouver=2C Canada in late fall and early
spring when it is cold and moist=2C if I have not reinstalled the heat tube
s that
feed into the back of the carb.
Royden Heays
Kiwi in Canada
Yak 55M
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Andrew Love
Sent: 14 Jul 2008 9:07 PM
Subject: Yak-List: High Idle
Hi folks=2C
A few issues with high idle on our M14P at the moment - it was running fine
over the weekend=2C but another pilot went to do some flying this morning
=2C and
found it wouldn't idle below 34%=2C any ideas?
Andrew Love
Contract Pilot
NZCPL (A)
Queenstown
New Zealand
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3 451 0396 I F
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Are you talking S-2A Pitts?
On 7/15/08 4:00 AM, "Andrew Love" <torque_roll@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the input folks, we think we're onto it.
> On another topic altogether, if anyone knows of a tidy S2A available for sale
> from the factory that can be certified (or is already) please let me know, we
> have found one, but looking at other options, to be operated privately, but
> would like it be ready for ATOs.
>
>
> cheers,
>
>
>
> Andrew Love
>
>
> Contract Pilot
>
> NZCPL (A)
> Queenstown
>
> New Zealand
>
>
>
> P +64 3 451 0396 I F +64 3 342 5189 I M +64 21 818
> 816
>
>
>
>
> From: heaysr@telus.net
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: High Idle
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:22:42 -0700
>
> Andrew,
>
>
>
> It could also be carb ice. You are into winter down-under and Queenstown is
> more chilly than Auckland. Cold & moist I would think. If you were running up
> at 46% to warm the oil, then pulled the power off, ice in the carb will
> prevent a low idle. Work the throttle a bit and it may clear. If it is carb
> ice, be very wary because if your approach to landing is a low power, ice may
> prevent you from getting the power completely off on rollout. Dicey if you
> have a short runway.
>
>
>
> I get the problem in Vancouver, Canada in late fall and early spring when it
> is cold and moist, if I have not reinstalled the heat tubes that feed into the
> back of the carb.
>
>
>
>
>
> Royden Heays
>
> Kiwi in Canada
>
> Yak 55M
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Love
> Sent: 14 Jul 2008 9:07 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: High Idle
>
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> A few issues with high idle on our M14P at the moment - it was running fine
> over the weekend, but another pilot went to do some flying this morning, and
> found it wouldn't idle below 34%, any ideas?
>
>
>
>
> Andrew Love
>
>
> Contract Pilot
>
> NZCPL (A)
> Queenstown
>
> New Zealand
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> P +64 3 451 0396 I F +64 3 342 5189 I M +64 21 818
> 816
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| Subject: | Re: Helmet Cam, On board Camera...ect...... |
I placed an order for four of these units. One I am keeping and doing some test
and the others will be made available on a first come first serve basis. A few
have already expressed interest and they will get first shot at them.
If you go to www.youtube.com and put VIO in the search function, you will see the picture quality of the camera.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192917#192917
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| Subject: | Re: Helmet Cam, On board Camera...ect...... |
You are right Tim. The prices are ore aggressive now. So what is your price?
About $475.
Kregg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:30 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Helmet Cam, On board Camera...ect......
I was going to ask less but if you are getting $600.00, then I maybe I will
too.
Nope..still will be asking less...much less.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192731#192731
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| Subject: | Re: News from Russia |
Dale, I think Walt went into this as well, so sorry for the multiple
responses.
To answer your question though.... If you are running two 12 volt
batteries and one happens to somehow get discharged while the other one
is not... Which represents an imbalance as you stated in your previous
message.... Then the charging system would tend to OVER charge the
already charged battery, causing it to more than likely vent gas and
definitely decrease it's overall life time. In a case like that, a
battery equalizer (also as you pointed out) will fix that problem by
making sure both batteries charge evenly.
The issue though is how the two 12 volt batteries got out of whack
enough for that to happen to begin with. There are two ways:
1. Someone hooks a wire up and draws 12 volts from just ONE of the two
batteries and uses that to power some 12 volt device. This will cause
the exact situation you mentioned and if you do something like that, you
will need a battery equalizer. However, the solution here is to simply
NOT DO THAT. If you need 12 volts for something, instead use a 24 to 12
volt converter, which in most cases is just a step down regulator. Lots
of folks make them. In any case, now you get 12 volts by drawing from
the main 24 volt bus and thus you no longer discharge the batteries in
an unequal fashion.
2. You have some cells go bad in one battery and not the other. In
this case, again you will have an imbalance, but here the clear and
obvious solution is to replace the bad battery.
Understood on the "money is no object" statement... But even if it was
not an object, there is a much wider selection of AGM and Gel Cell
batteries at 12 volts than there is at 24, thus allowing you a much
wider selection of total amp hour capabilities than there is with just
24 volt batteries.
v/r,
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:39 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: News from Russia
I had a electrical engineer explain it to me, I use a 24V. Tell me this
, when one battery gets charged up all the way and the other one is
slow. Does one overcharge and the other one that is weak ever charge
up? or do you keep overcharging the strong one until the weak finally
get it up. Or just how do you keep both batteries in square with each
other. Oh is it who cares because it is cheaper to replace the whatever
batteries than a aircraft battery. I believe he ask the question of
"money is no object" and being such why bother with two batteries if
that was the case.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192791#192791
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| Subject: | Re: News from Russia |
Guys,
I use the dry cell batteries (2 12's), with King KA-39 voltage converters
(28v to 12v) to run the 12 volt equipment, no problems yet. I have a few
KA-39's (used) in stock, contact me off list if you are in need. Or you can
normally find them on Ebay.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Dale, I think Walt went into this as well, so sorry for the multiple
> responses.
>
> To answer your question though.... If you are running two 12 volt
> batteries and one happens to somehow get discharged while the other one
> is not... Which represents an imbalance as you stated in your previous
> message.... Then the charging system would tend to OVER charge the
> already charged battery, causing it to more than likely vent gas and
> definitely decrease it's overall life time. In a case like that, a
> battery equalizer (also as you pointed out) will fix that problem by
> making sure both batteries charge evenly.
>
> The issue though is how the two 12 volt batteries got out of whack
> enough for that to happen to begin with. There are two ways:
>
> 1. Someone hooks a wire up and draws 12 volts from just ONE of the two
> batteries and uses that to power some 12 volt device. This will cause
> the exact situation you mentioned and if you do something like that, you
> will need a battery equalizer. However, the solution here is to simply
> NOT DO THAT. If you need 12 volts for something, instead use a 24 to 12
> volt converter, which in most cases is just a step down regulator. Lots
> of folks make them. In any case, now you get 12 volts by drawing from
> the main 24 volt bus and thus you no longer discharge the batteries in
> an unequal fashion.
>
> 2. You have some cells go bad in one battery and not the other. In
> this case, again you will have an imbalance, but here the clear and
> obvious solution is to replace the bad battery.
>
> Understood on the "money is no object" statement... But even if it was
> not an object, there is a much wider selection of AGM and Gel Cell
> batteries at 12 volts than there is at 24, thus allowing you a much
> wider selection of total amp hour capabilities than there is with just
> 24 volt batteries.
>
> v/r,
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:39 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: News from Russia
>
>
> I had a electrical engineer explain it to me, I use a 24V. Tell me this
> , when one battery gets charged up all the way and the other one is
> slow. Does one overcharge and the other one that is weak ever charge
> up? or do you keep overcharging the strong one until the weak finally
> get it up. Or just how do you keep both batteries in square with each
> other. Oh is it who cares because it is cheaper to replace the whatever
> batteries than a aircraft battery. I believe he ask the question of
> "money is no object" and being such why bother with two batteries if
> that was the case.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192791#192791
>
>
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Re: Time is getting near - - - |
Will the ground marshalling crews know to put us all together using the WB sign
from the OSH notam, or do we need a more specific one (ie, CJ6)?
Reason I ask is that I'll be arriving on the morning of the 28th, prior to the
mass arrival, so I want to make sure I'm directed to the proper place the first
time!
I will be transiting through West Bend on the morning of the 28th to catch up on
any last minute news.
Mike 'Primer' Kirk
C-GYMK
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| Subject: | Re: Time is getting near - - - |
In a message dated 7/15/2008 10:44:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
m_kirk69@hotmail.com writes:
Yes there will be special marshalling. Those a/c (Yaks & CJs) that will not
be flying during the show, will be parked along a special roll. Those
coming in from West Bend during the show on Monday, will their own special places
along with those who will be flying in the show. The details have not been
quite worked out yet, and there may be some repositioning later but not much.
Just follow instruction and don't decide to just to park where you please.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
--> Yak-List message posted by: "CJcanuck" <m_kirk69@hotmail.com>
Will the ground marshalling crews know to put us all together using the WB
sign from the OSH notam, or do we need a more specific one (ie, CJ6)?
Reason I ask is that I'll be arriving on the morning of the 28th, prior to
the mass arrival, so I want to make sure I'm directed to the proper place the
first time!
I will be transiting through West Bend on the morning of the 28th to catch
up on any last minute news.
Mike 'Primer' Kirk
C-GYMK
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193005#193005
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