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Yak-List Digest Archive
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Total Messages Posted Mon 08/11/08: 27
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:40 AM - Rough Housai Engine Sunday (ByronMFox@aol.com)
2. 07:47 AM - V speeds for the CJ (jblake207@COMCAST.NET)
3. 08:36 AM - CJ 285HP engine settings (dabear)
4. 09:55 AM - Re: Chineses Gyro questions (doug sapp)
5. 10:16 AM - Craig Payne (Joe Howse)
6. 10:26 AM - Re: Chineses Gyro questions (Robert Schwartz)
7. 10:46 AM - Re: Chineses Gyro questions (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 10:53 AM - Fw: Craig Payne (Joe Howse)
9. 12:47 PM - CJ Triplex guage (keithmckinley)
10. 02:59 PM - Re: V speeds for the CJ (keithmckinley)
11. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: V speeds for the CJ (dabear)
12. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: V speeds for the CJ (Kurt Howerton)
13. 05:38 PM - Re: V speeds for the CJ (keithmckinley)
14. 06:24 PM - Marvel Mystery Oil (keithmckinley)
15. 06:37 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Stephen Fox)
16. 06:48 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Keith McKinley)
17. 07:02 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
18. 07:11 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (keithmckinley)
19. 08:00 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Roger Kemp MD)
20. 08:11 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (keithmckinley)
21. 08:16 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Roger Baker)
22. 08:31 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Keith McKinley)
23. 09:16 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Roger Baker)
24. 09:31 PM - Re: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Roger Kemp)
25. 09:46 PM - Re: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Keith McKinley)
26. 10:03 PM - Re: CJ 285HP engine settings (keithmckinley)
27. 10:06 PM - Re: V speeds for the CJ (keithmckinley)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 03:40:40 AM PST US
From: ByronMFox@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: Rough Housai Engine Sunday
Coming back from Grass Valley today, the CJ's engine suddenly began to run
rough. Was level at 4500' for 30 minutes, 2000 RPM, 70 MM and leaned, as I have
for several years, to 10 degrees rich of peak on my EGT gauge. Reduced
power and enriched -- engine ran smooth. With engine running richer increased
back to 70 MM -- still smooth. Checked mags. Both good. Leaned again to 10
degrees rich of peak and roughness returned. Enriched again and returned home.
Did
not check mags when running rough. Thoughts?
Note: I've never experienced the engine running rough when leaned. It will
usually surge if too lean.
Thanks, Blitz
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 07:47:16 AM PST US
From: jblake207@COMCAST.NET
Subject: Yak-List: V speeds for the CJ
Can anyone help fill in the numbers for the stock CJ? KPH or KTS.
Vso
Vs1
Vx
Vy
Vfe
Vle
Vlo
Vno
Vglide
Others speeds??
Thanks in advance,
Jb
Can anyone help fill in the numbers for the stock CJ? KPH or KTS.
Vso
Vs1
Vx
Vy
Vfe
Vle
Vlo
Vno
Vglide
Others speeds??
Thanks in advance,
Jb
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 08:36:57 AM PST US
From: "dabear"
Subject: Yak-List: CJ 285HP engine settings
Folks,
I'm finishing a checklist for a CJ-6A that has the 285 in it for a
friend. With my conversion to the M14P, the engine/yak manual had
recommended settings for full power, max continuous, 80%, 75% 65%, etc
settings. These settings came with RPM recommendations, max MPressure,
and suggested fuel burn rates. Does anyone have a similar table for the
285? If not, what do you use for power settings in different flight
modes?
DaBear
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 09:55:55 AM PST US
From: "doug sapp"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chineses Gyro questions
The A/I's run off inverters, the front inverter powers the compass system
and and the front A/I, the rear A/I is powered by a separate inverter. Your
"dead" A/I may in fact be OK and you may just have a inverter that it TU.
Only way to make sure is to swap the A/I's and see if it is inop when hooked
up in the rear pit also. good luck.
Make sure you properly reinstall (level aircraft with ball centered) the A/I
to prevent problems with dissimilar fuel feed.
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:22 PM, skidmk wrote:
>
> Hey guys,,, question. My AH died in the front of my CJ. The back one
> works fine. My question is this,, I get the impression by reading my
> chinese manuals that there is one gyro and the AH's are indicators? is that
> true? and if thats the case I would imagine that the front indicator is
> toast.
>
> explainations as to how the chinese ah works?
>
> thanks
>
> :P
>
> --------
> Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
> Ottawa, Ontario
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197791#197791
>
>
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 10:16:02 AM PST US
From: "Joe Howse"
Subject: Yak-List: Craig Payne
Does anyone have Craig Payne's current ph number.
Need it for shipping him some oarts.
Joe Howse
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 10:26:00 AM PST US
From: Robert Schwartz
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chineses Gyro questions
=0AI noticed on a cross country flight Sunday, that the left and right fuel
quantity guages do not read exaclty the same.- I had one at 50 and one a
t 40/45.-- What is the cause of this and can anything be done to correc
t it=0Athanks=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: doug sapp =0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, August 11,
2008 11:55:18 AM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Chineses Gyro questions=0A=0A=0A
The A/I's run off inverters, the front inverter powers the compass system a
nd and the front A/I, the rear A/I is powered by a separate inverter.- Yo
ur "dead" A/I may in fact be OK and you may just have a inverter that it TU
.- Only way to make sure is to swap the A/I's and see if it is inop when
hooked up in the-rear pit also.- good luck.=0A-=0AMake sure you prope
rly reinstall (level aircraft with ball centered) the A/I to prevent proble
ms with dissimilar fuel feed.=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:22 PM, skid
bourgem@cia.com>=0A=0AHey guys,,, question. -My AH died in the front of m
y CJ. -The back one works fine. -My question is this,, I get the impres
sion by reading my chinese manuals that there is one gyro and the AH's are
indicators? -is that true? -and if thats the case I would imagine that
the front indicator is toast.=0A=0Aexplainations as to how the chinese ah w
orks?=0A=0Athanks=0A=0A-:P=0A=0A--------=0AMike "Skidmk" Bourge
t=0AOttawa, Ontario=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://
forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197791#197791=0A=0A=0A-- =0AAlways Y
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 10:46:13 AM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chineses Gyro questions
Robert,
Based on your question it sounds like you're flying a Yak 52. The Yak
52 fuel instruments very rarely read the same. Since the system is
designed with a common fuel junction located below the front seat with
no fuel selector, fuel burned will depend greatly upon the position of
the airplane in flight. Normally Yak 52's consume fuel out of the left
main tank first and pilots will see the left fuel indicator drop 10, 15
or 20 liters before the right fuel tank indication drops below 60
liters. Yak 52's require a fair amount of left rudder on take off and
during the climb, which contributes to the uneven fuel burn.
Additionally, the Yak 52's vent system (assuming the model is before
1989) has a single, common vent system. Unequal venting of the fuel
tanks also contributes to the disparity of fuel in the tanks.
Bottom line, what you are seeing is normal and unless you see the right
tank staying a 45 - 60 liters with the left tank getting down to the
20-25 level, I wouldn't worry about it.
One thing you can do is check the slip indicator with your feet off the
rudder pedals during straight and level flight. Yawing in flight, for
which you compensate by rudder pressure to keep the ball centered,
contributes greatly to uneven fuel burn. Adjust the rudder trim tab OFF
THE AIRPLANE if you find the ball slipped left or right with your feet
off the rudder pedals.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Schwartz
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chineses Gyro questions
I noticed on a cross country flight Sunday, that the left and right
fuel quantity guages do not read exaclty the same. I had one at 50 and
one at 40/45. What is the cause of this and can anything be done to
correct it
thanks
----- Original Message ----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:55:18 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chineses Gyro questions
The A/I's run off inverters, the front inverter powers the compass
system and and the front A/I, the rear A/I is powered by a separate
inverter. Your "dead" A/I may in fact be OK and you may just have a
inverter that it TU. Only way to make sure is to swap the A/I's and see
if it is inop when hooked up in the rear pit also. good luck.
Make sure you properly reinstall (level aircraft with ball centered)
the A/I to prevent problems with dissimilar fuel feed.
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:22 PM, skidmk wrote:
Hey guys,,, question. My AH died in the front of my CJ. The back
one works fine. My question is this,, I get the impression by reading
my chinese manuals that there is one gyro and the AH's are indicators?
is that true? and if thats the case I would imagine that the front
indicator is toast.
explainations as to how the chinese ah works?
thanks
:P
--------
Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
Ottawa, Ontario
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197791#197791
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 10:53:34 AM PST US
From: "Joe Howse"
Subject: Yak-List: Fw: Craig Payne
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Howse
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Craig Payne
Does anyone have Craig Payne's current ph number.
Need it for shipping him some parts.
Joe Howse
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 12:47:41 PM PST US
Subject: Yak-List: CJ Triplex guage
From: "keithmckinley"
CJ-6A
The rear triplex gauge does not indicate fuel or oil pressure. Oil temp is good.
Swapped to the front and it worked fine. Does anyone know where the wire from
the sending units branches off to each cockpit before I start undoing zip ties
and wire bundles?
Also the "down" position of my oil temp switch pegs the instrument so I suspect
there is a ground issue. Where is this probe?
Thanks,
Keith
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Wizard
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 02:59:02 PM PST US
Subject: Yak-List: Re: V speeds for the CJ
From: "keithmckinley"
i'll get them when I have a minute to dig them out or check out
www.flyredstar.org
there is a section with checklists/manuals you can find most of them there
--------
Wizard
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________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 04:02:38 PM PST US
From: "dabear"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: V speeds for the CJ
Right now the website isn't working... can't get to the documents.
DaBear
----- Original Message -----
From: "keithmckinley"
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 5:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: V speeds for the CJ
>
>
> i'll get them when I have a minute to dig them out or check out
>
> www.flyredstar.org
>
> there is a section with checklists/manuals you can find most of them there
>
> --------
> Wizard
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197993#197993
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 04:30:33 PM PST US
From: Kurt Howerton
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: V speeds for the CJ
I use (in knots):
Vso 59
Vs1 61
Vfe 108
Vlo 130
Va 149
Vne 201
Vx 87
Vy 104
Your mileage may vary ...
--
Kurt Howerton
N923YK
http://cj6.scitechsys.com
dabear wrote:
>
> Right now the website isn't working... can't get to the documents.
>
>
> DaBear
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "keithmckinley"
>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 5:58 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: V speeds for the CJ
>
>
>>
>>
>> i'll get them when I have a minute to dig them out or check out
>>
>> www.flyredstar.org
>>
>> there is a section with checklists/manuals you can find most of them
>> there
>>
>> --------
>> Wizard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197993#197993
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 05:38:32 PM PST US
Subject: Yak-List: Re: V speeds for the CJ
From: "keithmckinley"
Speeds
Vs0 (stall gear, flaps down) 59 Kts (108 Kph)
Vs1 (stall clean) 61 Kts (112 Kph)
Vfe (max flap extension speed) 108 Kts (198 Kph)
Vlo (gear down speed) 130 Kts (240 Kph)
Va (maneuvering speed) 149 Kts (275 Kph)
Vd (maximum dive speed) 201 Kts (370 Kph)
Send me your email and I'll forward you a document with every V speed you could
ever wish for. It's 16 megs so I can't post it on this board
--------
Wizard
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________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 06:24:03 PM PST US
Subject: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
From: "keithmckinley"
New CJ owner with a 285 Housai.
What are the pro's and cons of MMO in the fuel and or oil?
Keith
700HS
--------
Wizard
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________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 06:37:27 PM PST US
From: Stephen Fox
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
Oh God here we go again :) Be prepared for an onslaught of answers
pro, con and places in between.
For what it's worth use religiously. No ill effects and I think the
engine runs better. Now will I admit, could it all be my
imagination .... absolutely :)
Steve Fox
On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:23 PM, keithmckinley wrote:
> New CJ owner with a 285 Housai.
>
> What are the pro's and cons of MMO in the fuel and or oil?
________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
Time: 06:48:10 PM PST US
From: Keith McKinley
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
I like to shake things up!
Keith
On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Stephen Fox wrote:
> Oh God here we go again :) Be prepared for an onslaught of answers
> pro, con and places in between.
>
> For what it's worth use religiously. No ill effects and I think the
> engine runs better. Now will I admit, could it all be my
> imagination .... absolutely :)
>
>
> Steve Fox
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:23 PM, keithmckinley wrote:
>
>> New CJ owner with a 285 Housai.
>>
>> What are the pro's and cons of MMO in the fuel and or oil?
>
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
Time: 07:02:55 PM PST US
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
Some people think it is the best thing since sliced bread. Other
people think that it is a waste of time and/or money, and every point
between the two.
There is no definitive data. There are good arguments on both sides.
I did not run it. After two hundred hours I had two cylinders in an
M-14P with leaded valves sticking. Keep in mind I have no vanes on the
front of my cowl, so the engine runs cooler than most.
I started to use it, and have had no leaded or sticking valves since
then. Could easily be coincidence, I have no idea.
I put in two quarts of it in the oil and run the engine hard right
before an oil change. This APPEARS to help get bad looking goop out of
the engine. But... there are pro's and con's for doing this as well!
In the end, it is up to you.
I like the way it smells, so I use it.
Mark Bitterlich
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of keithmckinley
Sent: Mon 8/11/2008 9:23 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
New CJ owner with a 285 Housai.
What are the pro's and cons of MMO in the fuel and or oil?
Keith
700HS
--------
Wizard
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________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
Time: 07:11:23 PM PST US
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil
From: "keithmckinley"
"I like the way it smells, so I use it. "
Mark, you cracked me up!
--------
Wizard
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________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
Time: 08:00:04 PM PST US
From: "Roger Kemp MD"
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
MMO added to the fuel is a source of Lead to coat the valve guides on that
285. Used religiously, you can feel the difference. It runs smoother. Miss
using it once after that and you will feel it shake up your world. You'll
say to yourself I should have had MMO with that last sortie.
Add a quart to the oil one hour prior to your oil change and it will break
up some of the carbon deposits in the crank case. Be prepared to see the
filter screens coated with carbon chips when you rinse them off.
Hah, son of Blitz.Potus, you thought I was going to give the 99th way to use
MMO in ones everyday life didn't you?
Welcome Keith.Wizard is it?
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith McKinley
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
I like to shake things up!
Keith
On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Stephen Fox wrote:
Oh God here we go again :) Be prepared for an onslaught of answers pro, con
and places in between.
For what it's worth use religiously. No ill effects and I think the engine
runs better. Now will I admit, could it all be my imagination ....
absolutely :)
Steve Fox
On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:23 PM, keithmckinley wrote:
New CJ owner with a 285 Housai.
What are the pro's and cons of MMO in the fuel and or oil?
________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
Time: 08:11:17 PM PST US
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil
From: "keithmckinley"
Hi Doc,
Thanks! Your post is pretty much what I've heard. I am worried that the carbon
coming free will somehow find its way intro the ball bearings in that beast of
an engine and wreak havoc. No doubt that's why you run only an hour before the
oil change.
How much mmo do you add to the oil and fuel?
Keith
--------
Wizard
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________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
Time: 08:16:19 PM PST US
From: Roger Baker
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
Hi Keith,
You should be aware that the MMO thing has "stirred things up"
on this list more times than most of us want count. You'll get some
answers (many tongue in cheek) from the "listers regular experts".
However, most people no longer give a hoot what others think about
MMO in their engines oil/gas/air system/body cavities, etc
So...have a good time "shaking things up".
Reb__________________________________________________________
On Aug 11, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Keith McKinley wrote:
> I like to shake things up!
>
> Keith
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Stephen Fox wrote:
>
>> Oh God here we go again :) Be prepared for an onslaught of answers
>> pro, con and places in between.
>>
>> For what it's worth use religiously. No ill effects and I think
>> the engine runs better. Now will I admit, could it all be my
>> imagination .... absolutely :)
>>
>>
>> Steve Fox
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:23 PM, keithmckinley wrote:
>>
>>> New CJ owner with a 285 Housai.
>>>
>>> What are the pro's and cons of MMO in the fuel and or oil?
>>
>
>
________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________
Time: 08:31:21 PM PST US
From: Keith McKinley
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
I'm not really sure how to read you there Reb, but I'm new and quite
honestly I do care what others with much more round engine time than
me think. After that, I figure I'm smart enough to draw my own
conclusions.
btw, my post was not intended to raise the blood pressure of the
veterans on this list.
Keith McKinley
On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:16 PM, Roger Baker wrote:
> Hi Keith,
>
> You should be aware that the MMO thing has "stirred things up"
> on this list more times than most of us want count. You'll get
> some answers (many tongue in cheek) from the "listers regular
> experts". However, most people no longer give a hoot what others
> think about MMO in their engines oil/gas/air system/body cavities, etc
>
> So...have a good time "shaking things up".
>
> Reb__________________________________________________________
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Keith McKinley wrote:
>
>> I like to shake things up!
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Stephen Fox wrote:
>>
>>> Oh God here we go again :) Be prepared for an onslaught of
>>> answers pro, con and places in between.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth use religiously. No ill effects and I think
>>> the engine runs better. Now will I admit, could it all be my
>>> imagination .... absolutely :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Fox
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:23 PM, keithmckinley wrote:
>>>
>>>> New CJ owner with a 285 Housai.
>>>>
>>>> What are the pro's and cons of MMO in the fuel and or oil?
>>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
>> www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
>
________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________
Time: 09:16:56 PM PST US
From: Roger Baker
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
Keith....you misread. I'm just letting you know that this MMO
subject is old biz...and you may not get a realistic spectrum of
answers.
Reb_________________
On Aug 11, 2008, at 8:30 PM, Keith McKinley wrote:
> I'm not really sure how to read you there Reb, but I'm new and
> quite honestly I do care what others with much more round engine
> time than me think. After that, I figure I'm smart enough to draw
> my own conclusions.
>
> btw, my post was not intended to raise the blood pressure of the
> veterans on this list.
>
> Keith McKinley
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:16 PM, Roger Baker wrote:
>
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> You should be aware that the MMO thing has "stirred things
>> up" on this list more times than most of us want count. You'll
>> get some answers (many tongue in cheek) from the "listers regular
>> experts". However, most people no longer give a hoot what others
>> think about MMO in their engines oil/gas/air system/body cavities,
>> etc
>>
>> So...have a good time "shaking things up".
>>
>> Reb__________________________________________________________
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Keith McKinley wrote:
>>
>>> I like to shake things up!
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Stephen Fox wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh God here we go again :) Be prepared for an onslaught of
>>>> answers pro, con and places in between.
>>>>
>>>> For what it's worth use religiously. No ill effects and I think
>>>> the engine runs better. Now will I admit, could it all be my
>>>> imagination .... absolutely :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve Fox
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:23 PM, keithmckinley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> New CJ owner with a 285 Housai.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the pro's and cons of MMO in the fuel and or oil?
>>>>
>>>
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>>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________
Time: 09:31:17 PM PST US
From: Roger Kemp
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil
I put in 4 oz. per 15 gal of fuel.
Doc
Ah hell, Potus, can't resist!
Some will remember from a few years back I lamented the fluffy white Yap dog the
inhabits my neighbors back yard during those most irritating times like when
your using the mens out door urinal. Peaing on that irritating clinging climbing
vine that emits some homo lilac smell when it is in bloom but at the othertimes
it simply grows all over the damned place always getting in my face when
cutting the grass or wrapped around the ceiling fan on the patio chocking it
to death generally agqain when I'm trying to cool off after cutting something
hideous out of the back yard like that damned plant!
Well this pomerafritziepoo what ever that damned puff ball with a face that looks
like it was just stopped by a frying pan fires up with its 6000 db YAP. You
know the type..sits in the owners lap drooling all over itself with a tongue
sticking out that would make any muff diver proud? The one that is all furball
and has an irritating hi frequency YAP. A YAP YAP that will make you piss all
over yourself when it fires up on the other side to fence next to that stupid
vine.The vine I'm to kill with yellow rain. You know the type piss ant dog.
Anyway frustratiton got the better of me, high on the success I'd had with that
stupid pesky cat that left paw prints all over my nice once shiney silver sports
car. It was time to strike. By the way, the scatchs buff out with MMO. After
that purple haze the cat sprayed behind as it lauched off the car, it buffs
right off!
Well the perfect opportunity presented itself! I caught that pesky fluff-a-poo
trying to poke its' what some would call a nose with tongue from hell proturding
between the slates of my fence attempting to sniff the ass of my black lab.
Freeking HomO! Well I've keep a Hypo full of MMO just for such an occassion!
Being quick to retrive the syringe pre loaded with 20 cc's of reddish purple MMO
I shot that little Homo fluff ball square on that lizard tongue with all twenty!
Squirted right by the neighbor without him even noticing the purple steam
squirting right by his leg as he stood next to the fence in the blink of the
eye.
Well it choked off a YAP right square in mid YA with a sputter! It spun, it twirled,
it rolled, it back flipped, and shit purple right there on the owner's foot!
Now I've always known that MMO is fast but not that fast. The neighbor did
not know what to think with purple haze squirted square on his foot! I was choking
off a belly laugh.
Have not heard a yap out of that fluffy pomofritzapoo whatever its' call since.
Oh did you know MMO will stain a white fluffy YAP-A-POO whatever's fur reddish
purple? It will. Do you know what a skinned (clipped to the skin) reddish purple
fluff-a-yap-a-poo looks like after the owner has them clipped to get rid
of that previously white now stained purple furball coat? Purple! Now it's an
even uglier pomafritzayapapoo whatever skinned down to its bar ass hide with that
fresh flattened frying pan face. But it does not stick its' sawed off nose
with that tongue that has to be atleast three freeking feet long through the
fence anymore and it does not try to sniff my lab's ass anymore. It probably fears
another skunk shot from my lab! Has not YAPPED at me since either!
So there it is, Potus, the 99th way to use MMO in everyday living to rid oneself
of those pesky yap dogs...Humm...come to think of it, I have not heard him yap
at all? Hmmm...maybe the 100th way to use MMO...Laryngeal cautery!....Liquid
laryngectomy that is.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
>From: keithmckinley
>Sent: Aug 11, 2008 10:10 PM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil
>
>
>Hi Doc,
>
>Thanks! Your post is pretty much what I've heard. I am worried that the carbon
coming free will somehow find its way intro the ball bearings in that beast of
an engine and wreak havoc. No doubt that's why you run only an hour before the
oil change.
>
>How much mmo do you add to the oil and fuel?
>
>Keith
>
>--------
>Wizard
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198078#198078
>
>
________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________
Time: 09:46:33 PM PST US
From: Keith McKinley
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil
Doc,
you gotta quit writing your own prescriptions! :)
K
On Aug 12, 2008, at 12:31 AM, Roger Kemp wrote:
>
> I put in 4 oz. per 15 gal of fuel.
> Doc
>
> Ah hell, Potus, can't resist!
> Some will remember from a few years back I lamented the fluffy
> white Yap dog the inhabits my neighbors back yard during those most
> irritating times like when your using the mens out door urinal.
> Peaing on that irritating clinging climbing vine that emits some
> homo lilac smell when it is in bloom but at the othertimes it
> simply grows all over the damned place always getting in my face
> when cutting the grass or wrapped around the ceiling fan on the
> patio chocking it to death generally agqain when I'm trying to cool
> off after cutting something hideous out of the back yard like that
> damned plant!
> Well this pomerafritziepoo what ever that damned puff ball with a
> face that looks like it was just stopped by a frying pan fires up
> with its 6000 db YAP. You know the type..sits in the owners lap
> drooling all over itself with a tongue sticking out that would make
> any muff diver proud? The one that is all furball and has an
> irritating hi frequency YAP. A YAP YAP that will make you piss all
> over yourself when it fires up on the other side to fence next to
> that stupid vine.The vine I'm to kill with yellow rain. You know
> the type piss ant dog.
> Anyway frustratiton got the better of me, high on the success I'd
> had with that stupid pesky cat that left paw prints all over my
> nice once shiney silver sports car. It was time to strike. By the
> way, the scatchs buff out with MMO. After that purple haze the cat
> sprayed behind as it lauched off the car, it buffs right off!
> Well the perfect opportunity presented itself! I caught that pesky
> fluff-a-poo trying to poke its' what some would call a nose with
> tongue from hell proturding between the slates of my fence
> attempting to sniff the ass of my black lab. Freeking HomO! Well
> I've keep a Hypo full of MMO just for such an occassion! Being
> quick to retrive the syringe pre loaded with 20 cc's of reddish
> purple MMO I shot that little Homo fluff ball square on that lizard
> tongue with all twenty! Squirted right by the neighbor without him
> even noticing the purple steam squirting right by his leg as he
> stood next to the fence in the blink of the eye.
> Well it choked off a YAP right square in mid YA with a sputter! It
> spun, it twirled, it rolled, it back flipped, and shit purple right
> there on the owner's foot! Now I've always known that MMO is fast
> but not that fast. The neighbor did not know what to think with
> purple haze squirted square on his foot! I was choking off a belly
> laugh.
> Have not heard a yap out of that fluffy pomofritzapoo whatever its'
> call since. Oh did you know MMO will stain a white fluffy YAP-A-POO
> whatever's fur reddish purple? It will. Do you know what a skinned
> (clipped to the skin) reddish purple fluff-a-yap-a-poo looks like
> after the owner has them clipped to get rid of that previously
> white now stained purple furball coat? Purple! Now it's an even
> uglier pomafritzayapapoo whatever skinned down to its bar ass hide
> with that fresh flattened frying pan face. But it does not stick
> its' sawed off nose with that tongue that has to be atleast three
> freeking feet long through the fence anymore and it does not try to
> sniff my lab's ass anymore. It probably fears another skunk shot
> from my lab! Has not YAPPED at me since either!
> So there it is, Potus, the 99th way to use MMO in everyday living
> to rid oneself of those pesky yap dogs...Humm...come to think of
> it, I have not heard him yap at all? Hmmm...maybe the 100th way to
> use MMO...Laryngeal cautery!....Liquid laryngectomy that is.
> Doc
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: keithmckinley
>> Sent: Aug 11, 2008 10:10 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Doc,
>>
>> Thanks! Your post is pretty much what I've heard. I am worried
>> that the carbon coming free will somehow find its way intro the
>> ball bearings in that beast of an engine and wreak havoc. No doubt
>> that's why you run only an hour before the oil change.
>>
>> How much mmo do you add to the oil and fuel?
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> --------
>> Wizard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198078#198078
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________
Time: 10:03:53 PM PST US
Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ 285HP engine settings
From: "keithmckinley"
here's a bit of info
--------
Wizard
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198092#198092
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/cj_861.jpg
________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________
Time: 10:06:31 PM PST US
Subject: Yak-List: Re: V speeds for the CJ
From: "keithmckinley"
try these:
--------
Wizard
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198093#198093
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/cj1_149.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/cj2_121.jpg
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