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1. 05:38 AM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (N395V)
2. 07:43 AM - Rough running engine (Doug Zeissner)
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4. 08:22 AM - Re: Rough running engine (ByronMFox@aol.com)
5. 08:47 AM - Re: Rough running engine (Kurt Howerton)
6. 09:09 AM - Attitude Indicators (SD737@aol.com)
7. 09:12 AM - Marvel Mystery Oil (SD737@aol.com)
8. 10:43 AM - Exhaust extensions on Radial Engines (Roger Kemp MD)
9. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Roger Kemp MD)
10. 11:22 AM - Re: Rough running engine (Roger Kemp MD)
11. 02:43 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (John Cox)
12. 03:35 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Ron Davis)
13. 04:46 PM - Re: Required crewmember (Ron Davis)
14. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Different Props for Housai (Ron Davis)
15. 05:35 PM - Re: Chineses Gyro questions (Rob Rowe)
16. 05:38 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Roger Kemp MD)
17. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: Different Props for Housai (cjpilot710@aol.com)
18. 06:24 PM - Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Yak Pilot)
19. 07:33 PM - Re: Re: Different Props for Housai (Roger Kemp MD)
20. 09:28 PM - Canopy rail mirrors? (N642K)
21. 09:57 PM - Re: Canopy rail mirrors? (Jim Selby)
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery Oil |
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| Subject: | Rough running engine |
Blitz- Your situation with your engine running rough could be a suction
side leak in your fuel system. I fought similar symptoms for about a
year
until it was figured out. I would fly for +/- 45 min and then my engine
would start running rough. Over time the problem got worse.. to the
point that
it would stop running for a second then start again. I would suspect
that you are on the verge of getting to that point. My suction side leak
ended up being through the
wobble pump and the fitting into the pump- which has a straight fitting
and a fiber gasket that can dry up. The hotter and higher I flew the
more the problem manifested itself.
The problem with a leak on the suction side is that you may not have a
fuel stain to help track down the location because it will suck in air
but not leak fuel.
I went through the whole litany of checking and tearing down mags. When
the mixture gets too lean it can mimic a mag problem by giving you large
Mag drops from the excessive lean mixture. Don't let it go because when
it decides to start sucking more air it WILL scare the shit out of you!
Doug Zeissner
714 264-1019
email: doug.zeissner@rdmd.ocgov.com
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery Oil |
Just for the record several years ago I spoke with both?a Phillips and Shell oils
engineers about this subject.? Both of them said in no uncertain terms to NOT
put MMO in their aviation oils.? That all it would do is degrade the performance
of oils that their companies spent millions developing for aircraft engines.?That
was better than hearsay and wife's tails for me.??But I do add it to
the fuel and have had no valve or upper cylinder problems?whatsoever,?that's
over 1000hrs now.
Regards to the powers that be,
Bunndini?
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith McKinley <keith@mckinley.us>
Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 9:47 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil
?
Doc,?
?
you gotta quit writing your own prescriptions! :)?
?
K?
?
On Aug 12, 2008, at 12:31 AM, Roger Kemp wrote:?
?
>?
> I put in 4 oz. per 15 gal of fuel.?
> Doc?
>?
> Ah hell, Potus, can't resist!?
> Some will remember from a few years back I lamented the fluffy > white Yap dog
the inhabits my neighbors back yard during those most > irritating times like
when your using the mens out door urinal. > Peaing on that irritating clinging
climbing vine that emits some > homo lilac smell when it is in bloom but at
the othertimes it > simply grows all over the damned place always getting in
my face > when cutting the grass or wrapped around the ceiling fan on the > patio
chocking it to death generally agqain when I'm trying to cool > off after
cutting something hideous out of the back yard like that > damned plant!?
> Well this pomerafritziepoo what ever that damned puff ball with a > face that
looks like it was just stopped by a frying pan fires up > with its 6000 db YAP.
You know the type..sits in the owners lap > drooling all over itself with a
tongue sticking out that would make > any muff diver proud? The one that is all
furball and has an > irritating hi frequency YAP. A YAP YAP that will make
you piss all > over yourself when it fires up on the other side to fence next
to > that stupid vine.The vine I'm to kill with yellow rain. You know > the type
piss ant dog.?
> Anyway frustratiton got the better of me, high on the success I'd > had with
that stupid pesky cat that left paw prints all over my > nice once shiney silver
sports car. It was time to strike. By the > way, the scatchs buff out with
MMO. After that purple haze the cat > sprayed behind as it lauched off the car,
it buffs right off!?
> Well the perfect opportunity presented itself! I caught that pesky > fluff-a-poo
trying to poke its' what some would call a nose with > tongue from hell proturding
between the slates of my fence > attempting to sniff the ass of my black
lab. Freeking HomO! Well > I've keep a Hypo full of MMO just for such an occassion!
Being > quick to retrive the syringe pre loaded with 20 cc's of reddish
> purple MMO I shot that little Homo fluff ball square on that lizard > tongue
with all twenty! Squirted right by the neighbor without him > even noticing
the purple steam squirting right by his leg as he > stood next to the fence
in the blink of the eye.?
> Well it choked off a YAP right square in mid YA with a sputter! It > spun, it
twirled, it rolled, it back flipped, and shit purple right > there on the owner's
foot! Now I've always known that MMO is fast > but not that fast. The neighbor
did not know what to think with > purple haze squirted square on his foot!
I was choking off a belly > laugh.?
> Have not heard a yap out of that fluffy pomofritzapoo whatever its' > call since.
Oh did you know MMO will stain a white fluffy YAP-A-POO > whatever's fur
reddish purple? It will. Do you know what a skinned > (clipped to the skin) reddish
purple fluff-a-yap-a-poo looks like > after the owner has them clipped to
get rid of that previously > white now stained purple furball coat? Purple!
Now it's an even > uglier pomafritzayapapoo whatever skinned down to its bar ass
hide > with that fresh flattened frying pan face. But it does not stick > its'
sawed off nose with that tongue that has to be atleast three > freeking feet
long through the fence anymore and it does not try to > sniff my lab's ass
anymore. It probably fears another skunk shot > from my lab! Has not YAPPED at
me since either!?
> So there it is, Potus, the 99th way to use MMO in everyday living > to rid oneself
of those pesky yap dogs...Humm...come to think of > it, I have not heard
him yap at all? Hmmm...maybe the 100th way to > use MMO...Laryngeal cautery!....Liquid
laryngectomy that is.?
> Doc?
> -----Original Message-----?
>> From: keithmckinley <keith.mckinley@townisp.com>?
>> Sent: Aug 11, 2008 10:10 PM?
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com?
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil?
>>?
>>?
>> Hi Doc,?
>>?
>> Thanks! Your post is pretty much what I've heard. I am worried >> that the carbon
coming free will somehow find its way intro the >> ball bearings in that
beast of an engine and wreak havoc. No doubt >> that's why you run only an hour
before the oil change.?
>>?
>> How much mmo do you add to the oil and fuel??
>>?
>> Keith?
>>?
>> --------?
>> Wizard?
>>?
>>?
>>?
>>?
>> Read this topic online here:?
>>?
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198078#198078?
>>?
>>?
>>?
>>?
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| Subject: | Re: Rough running engine |
Thanks for the heads-up, Doug. Good advice!! ...Blitz
In a message dated 8/12/08 7:44:43 AM, Doug.Zeissner@rdmd.ocgov.com writes:
>
> Blitz- Your situation with your engine running rough could be a suction si
de
> leak in your fuel system. I fought similar symptoms for about a year
> until it was figured out. I would fly for +/- 45 min and then my engine
> would start running rough. Over time the problem got worse.. to the point
that
> it would stop running for a second then start again. I would suspect that
> you are on the verge of getting to that point. My suction side leak ended
up
> being through the
> wobble pump and the fitting into the pump- which has a straight fitting a
nd
> a fiber gasket that can dry up. The hotter and higher I flew the more the
> problem manifested itself.
> The problem with a leak on the suction side is that you may not have a fu
el
> stain to help track down the location because it will suck in air but not
> leak fuel.
> I went through the whole litany of checking and tearing down mags. When t
he
> mixture gets too lean it can mimic a mag problem by giving you large
> Mag drops from the excessive lean mixture. Don=99t let it go becaus
e when it
> decides to start sucking more air it WILL scare the shit out of you!
> =C2-
> =C2-
> Doug Zeissner
> 714 264-1019
> email: doug.zeissner@rdmd.ocgov.com
> =C2-
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rough running engine |
A couple of weeks ago, I heard Vladmir speak. He advocated replacing the
wobble pump with an electric pump
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php). Probably
won't help in this case, but it's something to think about while you're
working on the wobble pump.
--
Kurt Howerton
N923YK
http://cj6.scitechsys.com
ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
> Thanks for the heads-up, Doug. Good advice!! ...Blitz
>
> In a message dated 8/12/08 7:44:43 AM, Doug.Zeissner@rdmd.ocgov.com writes:
>
>
>>
>> Blitz- Your situation with your engine running rough could be a
>> suction side leak in your fuel system. I fought similar symptoms for
>> about a year
>> until it was figured out. I would fly for +/- 45 min and then my
>> engine would start running rough. Over time the problem got worse.. to
>> the point that
>> it would stop running for a second then start again. I would suspect
>> that you are on the verge of getting to that point. My suction side
>> leak ended up being through the
>> wobble pump and the fitting into the pump- which has a straight
>> fitting and a fiber gasket that can dry up. The hotter and higher I
>> flew the more the problem manifested itself.
>> The problem with a leak on the suction side is that you may not have a
>> fuel stain to help track down the location because it will suck in air
>> but not leak fuel.
>> I went through the whole litany of checking and tearing down mags.
>> When the mixture gets too lean it can mimic a mag problem by giving
>> you large
>> Mag drops from the excessive lean mixture. Dont let it go because
>> when it decides to start sucking more air it WILL scare the shit out
>> of you!
>>
>>
>> /* Doug Zeissner*/
>> 714 264-1019
>> email: doug.zeissner@rdmd.ocgov.com
>>
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| Subject: | Attitude Indicators |
I know a few guys have replaced the stock Russian Attitude Indicators with
US or electronic/glass...
Anyone out there have a new or used attitude indicator for a Yak-52 that
they want to sell?
Also, looking for a VSI.
If you have an A.I. and/or VSI or can direct me to someone that does it
would be much appreciated.
Please contact me off of the Matronics List directly via my email
_SD737@AOL.COM_ (mailto:SD737@AOL.COM)
Thanks.
Scott
Scott Douglass
Reno, Nevada
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| Subject: | Marvel Mystery Oil |
Just talked to Jill yesterday about Marvel Mystery Oil and she did not
recommend it.
She had discussed this with a Phillips rep and said that it has "corrosive
properties".....
I've always been pleased with Phillips 25-60 Radial Engine Oil
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| Subject: | Exhaust extensions on Radial Engines |
[]
Note the exhaust extensions on this original Boeing 40C airliner. This was
restored with 8000 hours of volunteer help.
What caught my eye was the exhaust extensions on this AC.
Doc
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery Oil |
2 dichloro Benzene. Interesting. Now wonder the YAK likes it so much. We are
giving it a source of Benzene an aeromatic hydrocarbon.
The rest is old wives tales.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:38 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil
http://setonresourcecenter.com/msds/docs/wcd00043/wcd04377.htm#SECTION_XII_-
_Ingredients/Identity_Information_
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2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| Subject: | Rough running engine |
So with the PN 40164 24v Facet automotive fuel pump we can eliminate the Primer
pump and have a backup for loss of the shaft drive fuel pump? It will be pumping
30 gph directly into the supercharger though assuming the 24v model is used.
How's that going to work? Anybody out there ops tested this theory yet? I'm
showing my ignorance of this one.
As for MMO, its fineto in my oil. The YAK engines ran on Benzene based fuels before
they got here so that is probably why they seemed to like it. At least mine
did that is.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Howerton
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Rough running engine
A couple of weeks ago, I heard Vladmir speak. He advocated replacing the
wobble pump with an electric pump
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php). Probably
won't help in this case, but it's something to think about while you're
working on the wobble pump.
--
Kurt Howerton
N923YK
http://cj6.scitechsys.com
ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
> Thanks for the heads-up, Doug. Good advice!! ...Blitz
>
> In a message dated 8/12/08 7:44:43 AM, Doug.Zeissner@rdmd.ocgov.com writes:
>
>
>>
>> Blitz- Your situation with your engine running rough could be a
>> suction side leak in your fuel system. I fought similar symptoms for
>> about a year
>> until it was figured out. I would fly for +/- 45 min and then my
>> engine would start running rough. Over time the problem got worse.. to
>> the point that
>> it would stop running for a second then start again. I would suspect
>> that you are on the verge of getting to that point. My suction side
>> leak ended up being through the
>> wobble pump and the fitting into the pump- which has a straight
>> fitting and a fiber gasket that can dry up. The hotter and higher I
>> flew the more the problem manifested itself.
>> The problem with a leak on the suction side is that you may not have a
>> fuel stain to help track down the location because it will suck in air
>> but not leak fuel.
>> I went through the whole litany of checking and tearing down mags.
>> When the mixture gets too lean it can mimic a mag problem by giving
>> you large
>> Mag drops from the excessive lean mixture. Dont let it go because
>> when it decides to start sucking more air it WILL scare the shit out
>> of you!
>>
>>
>> /* Doug Zeissner*/
>> 714 264-1019
>> email: doug.zeissner@rdmd.ocgov.com
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Marvel Mystery Oil |
I would love to hear where the corrosion property is found and what form
it takes. Any pictures would help.
The issue is much like the damage from ethanol in MOGAS being used in
aircraft engines. No one is specific on the damage just that it might
just cause some. Some use it, some avoid it, some fear it.
John Cox
"Can't recommend it, won't discourage it, have seen the improvements
with it, want to see the down side with facts rather than conjecture on
beloved MMO."
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SD737@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:12 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
Just talked to Jill yesterday about Marvel Mystery Oil and she did not
recommend it.
She had discussed this with a Phillips rep and said that it has
"corrosive properties".....
I've always been pleased with Phillips 25-60 Radial Engine Oil
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| Subject: | Marvel Mystery Oil |
There is no lead in MMO
From: viperdoc@mindspring.comTo: yak-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Yak-Lis
t: Marvel Mystery OilDate: Mon=2C 11 Aug 2008 21:58:43 -0500
MMO added to the fuel is a source of Lead to coat the valve guides on that
285. Used religiously=2C you can feel the difference. It runs smoother. Mis
s using it once after that and you will feel it shake up your world. You=92
ll say to yourself I should have had MMO with that last sortie.
Add a quart to the oil one hour prior to your oil change and it will break
up some of the carbon deposits in the crank case. Be prepared to see the fi
lter screens coated with carbon chips when you rinse them off.
Hah=2C son of Blitz=85Potus=2C you thought I was going to give the 99th way
to use MMO in ones everyday life didn=92t you?
Welcome Keith=85Wizard is it?
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith McKinleySent: Monday=2C August 11=2C 2008 8:
49 PMTo: yak-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
I like to shake things up!
Keith
On Aug 11=2C 2008=2C at 9:37 PM=2C Stephen Fox wrote:
Oh God here we go again :) Be prepared for an onslaught of answers pro=2C c
on and places in between.
For what it's worth use religiously. No ill effects and I think the engine
runs better. Now will I admit=2C could it all be my imagination .... absolu
tely :)
Steve Fox
On Aug 11=2C 2008=2C at 9:23 PM=2C keithmckinley wrote:
New CJ owner with a 285 Housai.
What are the pro's and cons of MMO in the fuel and or oil?
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| Subject: | Required crewmember |
Both pilots are required to have a type rating by who=2C or what? Not by pa
rt 61 of the FARs which governs US pilot licenses. Maybe your operating ce
rtificate.
Sec. 61.31 Type rating requirements=2C additional training=2C and authoriz
ation requirements. (a) Type ratings required. A person who acts as a pi
lot in command of any of the following aircraft must hold a type rating for
that aircraft: (1) Large aircraft (except lighter-than-air). (2) Tur
bojet-powered airplanes. (3) Other aircraft specified by the Administrat
or through aircraft type certificate procedures.
From: f4ffm2@adelphia.netSubject: Re: Yak-List: Required crewmemberDate: Tu
e=2C 22 Jul 2008 22:13:17 -0700To: yak-list@matronics.comJim....just to kee
p the record straight. Both pilots on a 747-400 (required crew) DO have to
have a type rating. When I first started flying the 47-400 in the early 1
990's=2C new F/O's were required to get a type rating in the left seat. By
the time I retired off the airplane in 2003=2C as a sop to the airlines to
save money=2C the FAA had bought into a thing called an SIC Type Rating...
..which is sort of a type rating but limited to second in command.
This SIC 'thing' is still 'grandfathered' in international operations.....b
ut=2C the real rule for ICAO and EASA airspace is that=2C for an airplane r
equiring two pilots and a type rating=2C BOTH pilots shall have an unrestri
cted type rating.
FYI
Roger Baker__________________________________________
On Jul 22=2C 2008=2C at 8:32 PM=2C cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/22/2008 4:48:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C mark.bit
terlich@navy.mil writes:
And according to what is now being said on this subject=2C I have anotherqu
estion. Does the B-24 require two pilots to fly it? If so=2C thenPappy ca
n not be the only FAST rated person aboard. His co-pilot wouldhave to be t
oo. See? Look how much we're learning here! Look outPappy! Mark
Geee. Does both pilots (required crew) of a 747 require a type rating? No
=2C just the pilot-in-command. (standard common practice with all airlines
and Part 121)
Do both pilots of that same 747 require a ATP? No just the PIC (Part 121 &
exception if over 8 hours)
Do both pilots of that same 747 require a 1 class flight physical? No=2C j
ust the PIC(Part 121)
That has been the same for every airplane that I've crewed for a very long
time.
Now you can have a type rating without a ATP? Yes. AAMOF I know of severa
l private pilots with B-25 type ratings.
Note: PIC has nothing to do with what pilot license (private=2C commercial
=2C or ATP) is in the PIC's pocket.
And the B-24 requires 2 pilots=2C (plus a "flight mechanic" NOTE: not "Flig
ht Engineer") and to fly formation in wavered airspace only the PIC is requ
ired to have a FAST card which is the only place a FAST card is any good=2C
no matter what airplane he is flying.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Different Props for Housai |
>From what I read Bush=2C the little half-wit in Washington=2C has been enco
uraging the Chinese to let the RMB float=2C and the Chinese have resisted b
ecause it will be bad for their business. The RMB would float upward as th
e dollar sinks downward if the Chinese let it. I'll archive this and we'll
check back in January to see who's crystal ball was sharpest.
From: viperdoc@mindspring.comTo: yak-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Yak-Lis
t: Re: Different Props for HousaiDate: Sun=2C 20 Jul 2008 20:28:45 -0500
Doug=92s correct! You should see what they have on the boards for combat ai
rcraft and air defense. They have read our play book thanks to=85.
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sappSent: Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2008 4:43 PMTo
: yak-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Hous
ai
Ron=2C
You miss the point. THEY think that par or close to par is in fact going t
o happen=2C rather is does or does not is not the issue. Because of this b
elief they are either refusing to sell=2C (waiting for the big bucks)=2C or
have jacked up the price on most items 20% to 30% and 40% on selected item
s. To the Chinese seller of aircraft parts=2C you are akin to Bill Gates
=2C and you have so much money that another 20% to 30% will not stop you f
rom buying parts. They read Trade a Plane too. They are eager to site the
doubling of fuel prices not stopping us from driving our big cars. Right
or wrong it's all about perceptions. And yes you are correct=2C the RMB is
only worth 0.1455 cents to our Pacific Peso today=2C but not too long ago
it was only worth 0.05!! These folks are poised to eat our lunch=2C I have
been in this game nearly 20 years=2C am in China at least once a year ever
y year and have seen the changes. Believe me my friend when I say that we
are right on the edge of being in very deep poop!
On Sun=2C Jul 20=2C 2008 at 12:15 PM=2C Ron Davis <l39parts@hotmail.com> wr
ote:
Par by Christmas? Who's talking about the rmb=2C currently worth 14 cents
=2C being worth a dollar by hristmas? That would put Wal-Mart out of busin
ess. The chances of that are less than the chances of Hillary becoming McC
ain's VP.
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Craig=2C
You can buy a surplus aircraft with a 0 time engines? I can't find them fo
r around 40K? 50K maybe. Most of the aircraft imported latley are timed o
ut by Chinese standards=2C engine 500 hours=2C and airframe @ 3800 to 4000
hours. If you want a 500 hour engine there is no need to go to all that b
other=2C they are all over the US for 3-4K.
No unfortunatly the days of the 10K 285 is long gone. If you can buy one f
or 15 to 18K take my advice and do it=2C 2 years or less you will thank me
. M14P's are pushing 25K and the rmb is still gaining strength aginst the
dollar. They are talking about par by Christmas=2C you do the math.
On Wed=2C Jul 9=2C 2008 at 4:39 PM=2C Craig Winkelmann=2C CFI <capav8r@gmai
l.com> wrote:
m>At those kind of prices for engines=2C we can buy a surplus aircraft=2C t
ake the engine and part out the plane and be ahead of the game.CraigRead th
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| Subject: | Re: Chineses Gyro questions |
FWIW adding to Dennis's overview on fuel imbalance ... flying out of wings level
has a double hit, firstly as described the high wing tank feeds fuel in preference
to the low tank.
The second hit is that excess fuel from the compensation tank (yellow sphere on
firewall that feeds the pressure carb) is returned to the collector tank under
the seat, which in turn can overflow back to the wing tanks via a simple T connection
... so excess fuel (determined by pump pressure over carb consumption
/ throttle setting) will ultimately tend to flow back to the low wing tank.
So you end up feeding from the high tank & returning excess to the low one ...
quickly getting the tanks out of balance. And as quickly remedied by raising the
fuller tank wing by 5 degrees offset by opposite rudder, as per the Russian
pilot notes.
Briefly worth mentioning other less common sources of imbalance that I've come
across in wings level flight ...
If one of the vent tubes gets blocked or angled differently into the airflow (on
1989+ models) this can cause a tank pressure imbalance with fuel return favoured
to the low pressure one & fed from the higher pressure one.
[Presume the Russians changed the design to two separate tank vents to stop the
syphoning problem with the single vent in hot weather with full tanks ... fixing
one problem to potentially create another]
Similarly over-tightening the wing filler caps in time can stretch the rubber seal
leaving the tank open to the upper wing surface (low) pressure, with results
as per the vents above. If suspected this can be simply checked by swapping
the filler cap around to see if the imbalance follows it.
I've also heard that the wing tank feed non-return (flap) valves can stick over
time due to residue build up (I think), which may also contribute to tank imbalance.
Hope this helps.
brgds, Rob R
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| Subject: | Marvel Mystery Oil |
Agree and I was wrong. The active ingredient is 2-dichloro-benzene. So as
best I can tell it is the release of chloride with the combustion of benzene
that is the corrosive agent.
Incidentally, Benzene is an aromatic compound therefore the sweet smell.
Need to go back to my organic chemistry to verify that.
Any chemical engineers on the list?
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
There is no lead in MMO
_____
From: viperdoc@mindspring.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
MMO added to the fuel is a source of Lead to coat the valve guides on that
285. Used religiously, you can feel the difference. It runs smoother. Miss
using it once after that and you will feel it shake up your world. You'll
say to yourself I should have had MMO with that last sortie.
Add a quart to the oil one hour prior to your oil change and it will break
up some of the carbon deposits in the crank case. Be prepared to see the
filter screens coated with carbon chips when you rinse them off.
Hah, son of Blitz.Potus, you thought I was going to give the 99th way to use
MMO in ones everyday life didn't you?
Welcome Keith.Wizard is it?
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith McKinley
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Marvel Mystery Oil
I like to shake things up!
Keith
On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:37 PM, Stephen Fox wrote:
Oh God here we go again :) Be prepared for an onslaught of answers pro, con
and places in between.
For what it's worth use religiously. No ill effects and I think the engine
runs better. Now will I admit, could it all be my imagination ....
absolutely :)
Steve Fox
On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:23 PM, keithmckinley wrote:
New CJ owner with a 285 Housai.
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| Subject: | Re: Different Props for Housai |
Well what do you think the dim-wit "The big BO" will do if he gets in? Not
a damn thing cause he don't know nothing anyway except raise your taxes.
That's going to cost you more than the PMB floating up. You guys ought to
focus
on who will be president, not being pissed off at Bush.
In a message dated 8/12/2008 8:23:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
l39parts@hotmail.com writes:
>From what I read Bush, the little half-wit in Washington, has been
encouraging the Chinese to let the RMB float, and the Chinese have resisted
because
it will be bad for their business. The RMB would float upward as the dolla
r
sinks downward if the Chinese let it. I'll archive this and we'll check ba
ck
in January to see who's crystal ball was sharpest.
____________________________________
From: viperdoc@mindspring.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
Doug=99s correct! You should see what they have on the boards for com
bat
aircraft and air defense. They have read our play book thanks to.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
Ron,
You miss the point. THEY think that par or close to par is in fact going t
o
happen, rather is does or does not is not the issue. Because of this belie
f
they are either refusing to sell, (waiting for the big bucks), or have
jacked up the price on most items 20% to 30% and 40% on selected items. To
the
Chinese seller of aircraft parts, you are akin to Bill Gates, and you have
so
much money that another 20% to 30% will not stop you from buying parts. Th
ey
read Trade a Plane too. They are eager to site the doubling of fuel prices
not stopping us from driving our big cars. Right or wrong it's all about
perceptions. And yes you are correct, the RMB is only worth 0.1455 cents t
o our
Pacific Peso today, but not too long ago it was only worth 0.05!! These
folks are poised to eat our lunch, I have been in this game nearly 20 years
, am
in China at least once a year every year and have seen the changes. Believ
e
me my friend when I say that we are right on the edge of being in very deep
poop!
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Ron Davis <_l39parts@hotmail.com_
(mailto:l39parts@hotmail.com) > wrote:
Par by Christmas? Who's talking about the rmb, currently worth 14 cents,
being worth a dollar by hristmas? That would put Wal-Mart out of business.
The chances of that are less than the chances of Hillary becoming McCain's
VP.
____________________________________
From: _dougsappllc@gmail.com_ (mailto:dougsappllc@gmail.com)
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
Craig,
You can buy a surplus aircraft with a 0 time engines? I can't find them fo
r
around 40K? 50K maybe. Most of the aircraft imported latley are timed out
by Chinese standards, engine 500 hours, and airframe @ 3800 to 4000 hours.
If you want a 500 hour engine there is no need to go to all that bother,
they are all over the US for 3-4K.
No unfortunatly the days of the 10K 285 is long gone. If you can buy one
for 15 to 18K take my advice and do it, 2 years or less you will thank me.
M14P's are pushing 25K and the rmb is still gaining strength aginst the dol
lar.
They are talking about par by Christmas, you do the math.
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Craig Winkelmann, CFI <_capav8r@gmail.com_
(mailto:capav8r@gmail.com) > wrote:
_
(mailto:capav8r@gmail.com) >
At those kind of prices for engines, we can buy a surplus aircraft, take th
e
engine and part out the plane and be ahead of the game.
Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel Mystery Oil |
I discussed it with a friend who talked to an MMO Rep and he said that was
not true.- =0AI guess it comes down to who's 3rd party hear-say informati
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ystery Oil=0A=0AJust talked to Jill yesterday about Marvel Mystery Oil and
she did not recommend it.=0A-=0AShe had discussed this with a Phillips re
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| Subject: | Re: Different Props for Housai |
How can you say Bush is a dim wit when he has a Masters in Economics
from Princeton? He=99s richer than any of our miserable asses. I
do not totally agree with all he has done but I =98m sure the
Earth is getting to hot Gore the bore would have really screwed it up.
It is because of him and his intern cigar poking boss that gave away a
number of our secrets in the name of detante (and campaign donations) to
the Chinese. The past is the past but the Chinese do have the technology
to manufacture MIRVS now which they did not have until the Draft Dodger
took office.
Now moving on to the naturalized citizen running for the office from
the Demoncratsbe prepared to give all your earned income to
this socialist seeking =9Ceconomic justice=9D for his race.
Can you tell me what race that would be? 143 days and he is qualified to
lead the world, Right!
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
Well what do you think the dim-wit "The big BO" will do if he gets in?
Not a damn thing cause he don't know nothing anyway except raise your
taxes. That's going to cost you more than the PMB floating up. You
guys ought to focus on who will be president, not being pissed off at
Bush.
In a message dated 8/12/2008 8:23:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
l39parts@hotmail.com writes:
>From what I read Bush, the little half-wit in Washington, has been
encouraging the Chinese to let the RMB float, and the Chinese have
resisted because it will be bad for their business. The RMB would float
upward as the dollar sinks downward if the Chinese let it. I'll archive
this and we'll check back in January to see who's crystal ball was
sharpest.
_____
From: viperdoc@mindspring.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
Doug=99s correct! You should see what they have on the boards for
combat aircraft and air defense. They have read our play book thanks
to.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
Ron,
You miss the point. THEY think that par or close to par is in fact
going to happen, rather is does or does not is not the issue. Because
of this belief they are either refusing to sell, (waiting for the big
bucks), or have jacked up the price on most items 20% to 30% and 40% on
selected items. To the Chinese seller of aircraft parts, you are akin
to Bill Gates, and you have so much money that another 20% to 30% will
not stop you from buying parts. They read Trade a Plane too. They are
eager to site the doubling of fuel prices not stopping us from driving
our big cars. Right or wrong it's all about perceptions. And yes you
are correct, the RMB is only worth 0.1455 cents to our Pacific Peso
today, but not too long ago it was only worth 0.05!! These folks are
poised to eat our lunch, I have been in this game nearly 20 years, am in
China at least once a year every year and have seen the changes.
Believe me my friend when I say that we are right on the edge of being
in very deep poop!
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Ron Davis <l39parts@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Par by Christmas? Who's talking about the rmb, currently worth 14
cents, being worth a dollar by hristmas? That would put Wal-Mart out of
business. The chances of that are less than the chances of Hillary
becoming McCain's VP.
_____
From: dougsappllc@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
Craig,
You can buy a surplus aircraft with a 0 time engines? I can't find them
for around 40K? 50K maybe. Most of the aircraft imported latley are
timed out by Chinese standards, engine 500 hours, and airframe @ 3800 to
4000 hours. If you want a 500 hour engine there is no need to go to
all that bother, they are all over the US for 3-4K.
No unfortunatly the days of the 10K 285 is long gone. If you can buy
one for 15 to 18K take my advice and do it, 2 years or less you will
thank me. M14P's are pushing 25K and the rmb is still gaining strength
aginst the dollar. They are talking about par by Christmas, you do the
math.
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Craig Winkelmann, CFI
<capav8r@gmail.com> wrote:
<capav8r@gmail.com>
At those kind of prices for engines, we can buy a surplus aircraft, take
the engine and part out the plane and be ahead of the game.
Craig
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Anybody have a line on mirrors?
Thanks in advance,
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Contact Craig Payne....
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