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1. 12:12 AM - Re: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALE (Mark Schrick)
2. 01:38 AM - Diverted thread= Different Props for Housai (kp)
3. 08:41 AM - How to F@#% Up a Good Thing! (Hal)
4. 08:58 AM - Re: Canopy rail mirrors? (doug sapp)
5. 09:22 AM - Re: How to F@#% Up a Good Thing! (dabear)
6. 12:23 PM - Re: How to F@#% Up a Good Thing! (ByronMFox@aol.com)
7. 12:49 PM - Re: How to F@#% Up a Good Thing! (Stephen Fox)
8. 01:09 PM - Re: How to F@#% Up a Good Thing! (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
9. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Different Props for Housai (Vincent Palermo)
10. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Different Props for Housai (DAVID STROUD)
11. 07:21 PM - Re: How to F@#% Up a Good Thing! (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
12. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: Different Props for Housai (Roger Kemp MD)
13. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: Different Props for Housai (Stephen Fox)
14. 07:46 PM - FW: Radio-controlled C-17 (Roger Kemp MD)
15. 08:33 PM - OSH (Jay Land)
16. 09:04 PM - CJ-6 oil thinning system (keithmckinley)
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| Subject: | Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALE |
I have several NEW and USED Russian Attitude Indicators, VSI, and DG in
stock NOW. Prices best in USA. I also have invertors to power the units.
I am selling most Russian parts from Air speed indicators, compass, and MP
and Prop % indicator.
Call me for prices and I will deliver.
YAK Driver, LLC
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
San Jose, Ca 95120
(408) 391-6664 Cell
(408) 451-5741 Work
Schrick@pacbell.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SD737@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:09 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Attitude Indicators
I know a few guys have replaced the stock Russian Attitude Indicators with
US or electronic/glass...
Anyone out there have a new or used attitude indicator for a Yak-52 that
they want to sell?
Also, looking for a VSI.
If you have an A.I. and/or VSI or can direct me to someone that does it
would be much appreciated.
Please contact me off of the Matronics List directly via my email
SD737@AOL.COM
Thanks.
Scott
Scott Douglass
Reno, Nevada
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| Subject: | Diverted thread= Different Props for Housai |
Doc that's a great post ......... I love this list when it gets
distracted !
Keep it coming.
kp
How can you say Bush is a dim wit when he has a Masters in Economics
from Princeton? He=99s richer than any of our miserable asses. I
do not totally agree with all he has done but I =98m sure the
Earth is getting to hot Gore the bore would have really screwed it up.
It is because of him and his intern cigar poking boss that gave away a
number of our secrets in the name of detante (and campaign donations) to
the Chinese. The past is the past but the Chinese do have the technology
to manufacture MIRVS now which they did not have until the Draft Dodger
took office.
Now moving on to the naturalized citizen running for the office from
the Demoncratsbe prepared to give all your earned income to
this socialist seeking =9Ceconomic justice=9D for his race.
Can you tell me what race that would be? 143 days and he is qualified to
lead the world, Right!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:58 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
Well what do you think the dim-wit "The big BO" will do if he gets in?
Not a damn thing cause he don't know nothing anyway except raise your
taxes. That's going to cost you more than the PMB floating up. You
guys ought to focus on who will be president, not being pissed off at
Bush.
In a message dated 8/12/2008 8:23:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
l39parts@hotmail.com writes:
>From what I read Bush, the little half-wit in Washington, has been
encouraging the Chinese to let the RMB float, and the Chinese have
resisted because it will be bad for their business. The RMB would float
upward as the dollar sinks downward if the Chinese let it. I'll archive
this and we'll check back in January to see who's crystal ball was
sharpest.
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To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
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| Subject: | How to F@#% Up a Good Thing! |
Guys and Gals,
This list, and the RPA, and our flying together, work because we are all
committed to our common enjoyment of our airplanes, our flying and our being
together. Like a smooth engine it runs because it is lubricated by our
mutual courtesy of voluntarily - and deliberately - keeping the acidic and
corrosive aspects of life out of the conversation.
In part this means to me that:
We choose not to call each other names that are meant to diminish or hurt.
We choose not to deride each other for our choice of airplane, where we
live, how we fly or what oil - or additives - we use or don't use.
We choose to respect each other's ancestry and country.
And, we choose not to add the acid of religious beliefs or political views
into the conversation.
Vote for and contribute to whomever you wish; Believe in and pray to
whatever or whomever you wish; Love and/or have sex with whomever or
whatever you wish and will have you; Be a carnivore, a vegan or a synthetic
food eater; Believe that the world is flat, round or a grain of sand on a
turtle's back; Believe that the government and wall street are here to help
you - or not; Believe that Elvis is dead or alive.
Believe and do what you want, but do it somewhere else! Because - if you
do it here - know clearly and perfectly well that you are taking a cheap,
sneak shot intended to push other people's buttons when they are playing
nice with each other and not out looking for a fight. In my view it is the
person taking the cheap shot that should be roundly condemned by everyone
else on the list who thinks that this community has value.
One of the reasons we get together is because nobody knows the whole story.
With planes, engines and flying we can each contribute a bit to an open
conversation. That's rare these days. I for one want to keep it running.
Hal
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy rail mirrors? |
Try Craig Payne. I think he has them.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:27 PM, N642K <mdecanio@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Anybody have a line on mirrors?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198311#198311
>
>
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Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Re: How to F@#% Up a Good Thing! |
Nicely stated!!!!
DaBear
tired of being insulted just because i'm a carnivore.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hal
To: Yak List
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:40 AM
Subject: Yak-List: How to F@#% Up a Good Thing!
Guys and Gals,
This list, and the RPA, and our flying together, work because we are
all committed to our common enjoyment of our airplanes, our flying and
our being together. Like a smooth engine it runs because it is
lubricated by our mutual courtesy of voluntarily - and deliberately -
keeping the acidic and corrosive aspects of life out of the
conversation.
In part this means to me that:
We choose not to call each other names that are meant to diminish or
hurt.
We choose not to deride each other for our choice of airplane, where
we live, how we fly or what oil - or additives - we use or don't use.
We choose to respect each other's ancestry and country.
And, we choose not to add the acid of religious beliefs or political
views into the conversation.
Vote for and contribute to whomever you wish; Believe in and pray to
whatever or whomever you wish; Love and/or have sex with whomever or
whatever you wish and will have you; Be a carnivore, a vegan or a
synthetic food eater; Believe that the world is flat, round or a grain
of sand on a turtle's back; Believe that the government and wall street
are here to help you - or not; Believe that Elvis is dead or alive.
Believe and do what you want, but do it somewhere else! Because -
if you do it here - know clearly and perfectly well that you are taking
a cheap, sneak shot intended to push other people's buttons when they
are playing nice with each other and not out looking for a fight. In my
view it is the person taking the cheap shot that should be roundly
condemned by everyone else on the list who thinks that this community
has value.
One of the reasons we get together is because nobody knows the whole
story. With planes, engines and flying we can each contribute a bit to
an open conversation. That's rare these days. I for one want to keep
it running.
Hal
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| Subject: | Re: How to F@#% Up a Good Thing! |
Thanks, Hal. Sound reminder. Fortunately, most provocateurs grow bored when
we fail to rise to their bait and go away. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: How to F@#% Up a Good Thing! |
Hal,
The much younger Fox would like to add his thanks as well.
Stephen Fox
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On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:22 PM, ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
> Thanks, Hal. Sound reminder. Fortunately, most provocateurs grow
> bored when we fail to rise to their bait and go away. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | How to F@#% Up a Good Thing! |
Hal, wonderful words of wisdom.
But.............................
What I believe is more important than trying to control what people say,
is to ask the readers why in the world it should matter to them what
anyway else says to begin with?
Advice I have failed to follow myself now and then by the way, but I do
keep trying!
You see when it comes right down to it, there is an amazing range of
things that, if said, can manage to make one person or another angry.
For example, my refusal to give an inch on the issue of wearing Flight
Suits and Parachutes while flying in formation. A lot of people got
very sick and tired of that tirade and they had every right to.
Personally, I get rather tired of RPA members confusing the YAKLIST as
their alternative meeting place and acting like the whole purpose of
this list is to support their functions, advertise their events, and pat
each other on the back for their 'accomplishments'. Others, I am sure,
consider this valuable information. Keep in mind that I have met a few
RPA members and think them a good group of people.
Regardless, many readers of this list come from all over the world and
they come here primarily for technical or other help in keeping their
aircraft flying, to them, much of what we say is pure drivel and
maddening to boot!
In the end there is an old saying in the U.S. military that comes to
mind that I will paraphrase. It goes something like this: "I may
disagree totally with what you are saying, but I will defend with my
life the right for you to say it."
Let's learn to accept the differences between ourselves without anger.
If that fails, then proper peer pressure will usually win out. I think
this a far better solution than hinting around what we should or should
not talk about, although I understand your intentions and honor them as
they were meant.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hal
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:40
Subject: Yak-List: How to F@#% Up a Good Thing!
Guys and Gals,
This list, and the RPA, and our flying together, work because we are all
committed to our common enjoyment of our airplanes, our flying and our
being together. Like a smooth engine it runs because it is lubricated
by our mutual courtesy of voluntarily - and deliberately - keeping the
acidic and corrosive aspects of life out of the conversation.
In part this means to me that:
We choose not to call each other names that are meant to diminish or
hurt.
We choose not to deride each other for our choice of airplane, where we
live, how we fly or what oil - or additives - we use or don't use.
We choose to respect each other's ancestry and country.
And, we choose not to add the acid of religious beliefs or political
views into the conversation.
Vote for and contribute to whomever you wish; Believe in and pray to
whatever or whomever you wish; Love and/or have sex with whomever or
whatever you wish and will have you; Be a carnivore, a vegan or a
synthetic food eater; Believe that the world is flat, round or a grain
of sand on a turtle's back; Believe that the government and wall street
are here to help you - or not; Believe that Elvis is dead or alive.
Believe and do what you want, but do it somewhere else! Because - if
you do it here - know clearly and perfectly well that you are taking a
cheap, sneak shot intended to push other people's buttons when they are
playing nice with each other and not out looking for a fight. In my
view it is the person taking the cheap shot that should be roundly
condemned by everyone else on the list who thinks that this community
has value.
One of the reasons we get together is because nobody knows the whole
story. With planes, engines and flying we can each contribute a bit to
an open conversation. That's rare these days. I for one want to keep
it running.
Hal
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| Subject: | Re: Different Props for Housai |
Doc, I have never met you but right now I wish I could shake your
hand. Your statement makes more sense than any I have seen since the
talk wonder off the subject line. Amen and Amen....
Vincent Palermo
vpalermo@tampabay.rr.com
On Aug 12, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Roger Kemp MD wrote:
> How can you say Bush is a dim wit when he has a Masters in Economics
> from Princeton? He=92s richer than any of our miserable asses. I do
> not totally agree with all he has done but I =91m sure the Earth is
> getting to hot Gore the bore would have really screwed it up. It is
> because of him and his intern cigar poking boss that gave away a
> number of our secrets in the name of detante (and campaign
> donations) to the Chinese. The past is the past but the Chinese do
> have the technology to manufacture MIRVS now which they did not have
> until the Draft Dodger took office.
> Now moving on to the naturalized citizen running for the office
> from the Demoncrats=85be prepared to give all your earned income to
> this socialist seeking =93economic justice=94 for his race. Can you
tell
> me what race that would be? 143 days and he is qualified to lead the
> world, Right!
> Doc
>
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| Subject: | Re: Different Props for Housai |
Lead the world, Amigo....? Don't get me started.
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV
----- Original Message -----
From: Vincent Palermo
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
Doc, I have never met you but right now I wish I could shake your
hand. Your statement makes more sense than any I have seen since the
talk wonder off the subject line. Amen and Amen....
Vincent Palermo
vpalermo@tampabay.rr.com
On Aug 12, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Roger Kemp MD wrote:
How can you say Bush is a dim wit when he has a Masters in Economics
from Princeton? He=92s richer than any of our miserable asses. I do not
totally agree with all he has done but I =91m sure the Earth is getting
to hot Gore the bore would have really screwed it up. It is because of
him and his intern cigar poking boss that gave away a number of our
secrets in the name of detante (and campaign donations) to the Chinese.
The past is the past but the Chinese do have the technology to
manufacture MIRVS now which they did not have until the Draft Dodger
took office.
Now moving on to the naturalized citizen running for the office
from the Demoncrats=85be prepared to give all your earned income to this
socialist seeking =93economic justice=94 for his race. Can you tell me
what race that would be? 143 days and he is qualified to lead the world,
Right!
Doc
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| Subject: | Re: How to F@#% Up a Good Thing! |
Here here!? Thanks Hal, I too am tired of being looked down on just because I happen
to like sheep.
Bunndini
-----Original Message-----
From: Hal <yakjock@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 8:40 am
Subject: Yak-List: How to F@#% Up a Good Thing!
Guys and Gals,
?
This list, and the RPA, and our flying together, work because we are all committed
to our common enjoyment of our airplanes, our flying and our being together.?
Like a smooth engine it runs because it is lubricated by our mutual courtesy
of voluntarily - and deliberately -?keeping the acidic and corrosive aspects
of life out of the conversation.
?
In part this means to me that:
?
We choose not to?call each other names that are meant to diminish or hurt.
?
We choose not to deride each?other for our?choice of airplane, where we live, how
we fly or what oil - or additives - we use or don't use.
?
We choose to respect each other's ancestry and country.
?
And, we choose not to add the acid of religious beliefs or?political views into
the conversation.
?
?
Vote for and contribute to whomever you wish; Believe in and pray to whatever or
whomever you wish; Love and/or have sex with whomever or whatever you wish and
will have you; Be a carnivore, a vegan or a synthetic food eater;? Believe
that the world is flat, round or a grain of sand on a turtle's back; Believe that
the government and wall street are here to help you - or not; Believe that
Elvis is dead or alive.
?
Believe and do what you want, but do it somewhere else!??? Because -?if you do
it here -?know clearly and perfectly well that you are?taking a cheap, sneak?shot
intended to push other people's buttons when they are playing nice with each
other and not out looking for a fight.? In my view it is the person taking
the cheap shot that should be roundly condemned by everyone else on the list who
thinks that this community has value.
?
One of the reasons we get together is because nobody knows the whole story.? With
planes, engines and flying we can each contribute a bit to an open conversation.?
That's rare these days.? I for one want to?keep it running.
?
Hal
?
?
?
?
?
?
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| Subject: | Re: Different Props for Housai |
Don't plan to Dave. You already have almost as many Muslims in your
country as France, Germany, and Holland along with the fact that China
already owns your countries oil sands. They bought the rights to that a
couple years ago. I'm just hoping my country closes the door on these people
that are really not our friends before we have them demanding that I
celebrate Ramadan and bow to the east 6 times a day or eat deep fat fried
scorpion.
The "lead the world" statement came directly from the "Chosen Ones" mouth as
he addressed the "200,000" adoring crowds in Berlin. The one thing missed by
the doting liberal press was that he was speaking between two of Germany's
popular bands?? What was that all about?
This half breed in like an Angel Food Cake..all fluff and little substance.
But he would have the world believe he is a qualified leader with 143 days
of Senatorial experience.
It is amazing to me that your own Free Canadian Press has so aptly pointed
out that the chosen one (in his own mind) is a naturalized US citizen since
he was not born to two parents that were/are US citizens and his US born
mother had not lived in the US for 5 years before his birth since he was
born before she was 21 years old.
Bully ol' Boy, Bully
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID STROUD
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
Lead the world, Amigo....? Don't get me started.
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV
----- Original Message -----
From: Vincent Palermo <mailto:vpalermo@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
Doc, I have never met you but right now I wish I could shake your hand. Your
statement makes more sense than any I have seen since the talk wonder off
the subject line. Amen and Amen....
Vincent Palermo
vpalermo@tampabay.rr.com
On Aug 12, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Roger Kemp MD wrote:
How can you say Bush is a dim wit when he has a Masters in Economics from
Princeton? He's richer than any of our miserable asses. I do not totally
agree with all he has done but I 'm sure the Earth is getting to hot Gore
the bore would have really screwed it up. It is because of him and his
intern cigar poking boss that gave away a number of our secrets in the name
of detante (and campaign donations) to the Chinese. The past is the past but
the Chinese do have the technology to manufacture MIRVS now which they did
not have until the Draft Dodger took office.
Now moving on to the naturalized citizen running for the office from the
Demoncrats.be prepared to give all your earned income to this socialist
seeking "economic justice" for his race. Can you tell me what race that
would be? 143 days and he is qualified to lead the world, Right!
Doc
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| Subject: | Re: Different Props for Housai |
Doc take it off the list .
On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:21 PM, Roger Kemp MD wrote:
> Don=92t plan to Dave. You already have almost as many Muslims in
> your country as France, Germany, and Holland along with the fact
> that China already owns your countries oil sands. They bought the
> rights to that a couple years ago. I=92m just hoping my country
> closes the door on these people that are really not our friends
> before we have them demanding that I celebrate Ramadan and bow to
> the east 6 times a day or eat deep fat fried scorpion.
> The =93lead the world=94 statement came directly from the =93Chosen
Ones=94
> mouth as he addressed the =93200,000=94 adoring crowds in Berlin. The
> one thing missed by the doting liberal press was that he was
> speaking between two of Germany=92s popular bands?? What was that all
> about?
> This half breed in like an Angel Food Cake=85.all fluff and little
> substance. But he would have the world believe he is a qualified
> leader with 143 days of Senatorial experience.
> It is amazing to me that your own Free Canadian Press has so aptly
> pointed out that the chosen one (in his own mind) is a naturalized
> US citizen since he was not born to two parents that were/are US
> citizens and his US born mother had not lived in the US for 5 years
> before his birth since he was born before she was 21 years old.
> Bully ol=92 Boy, Bully
>
> Doc
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID STROUD
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:39 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
>
> Lead the world, Amigo....? Don't get me started.
>
> David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> Fairchild 51 replica
> under construction C-FYXV
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vincent Palermo
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai
>
> Doc, I have never met you but right now I wish I could shake your
> hand. Your statement makes more sense than any I have seen since
> the talk wonder off the subject line. Amen and Amen....
> Vincent Palermo
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> On Aug 12, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Roger Kemp MD wrote:
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> How can you say Bush is a dim wit when he has a Masters in
> Economics from Princeton? He=92s richer than any of our miserable
> asses. I do not totally agree with all he has done but I =91m sure
> the Earth is getting to hot Gore the bore would have really screwed
> it up. It is because of him and his intern cigar poking boss that
> gave away a number of our secrets in the name of detante (and
> campaign donations) to the Chinese. The past is the past but the
> Chinese do have the technology to manufacture MIRVS now which they
> did not have until the Draft Dodger took office.
> Now moving on to the naturalized citizen running for the office
> from the Demoncrats=85be prepared to give all your earned income to
> this socialist seeking =93economic justice=94 for his race. Can you
> tell me what race that would be? 143 days and he is qualified to
> lead the world, Right!
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| Subject: | FW: Radio-controlled C-17 |
For those that like the sublime R/C aircraft. See the link below.
Enough politics.
Doc
A flight demonstration of a huge radio-controlled C-17 model aircraft with a
20 ft wingspan and a takeoff weight of 260lbs:
http://www.wxpnews.com/GO0G9N/080812-RC-C17-Jet
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For those who have asked and were in the air, here is a link to Alex=B9s CJ
routine from OSH.
I hope to add some interesting footage from a camera he had in his rear
cockpit during the routine but wanted to get this up.
http://www.landaerosports.com/content/view/28/46/
Click on the =B3OSH=B2 tab.
Thanks to Russ for the video!
Jay
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| Subject: | CJ-6 oil thinning system |
Can anyone give me the best method for disabling this system.
Thanks,
Keith McKinley
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