---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/15/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:27 AM - Re: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system (kp) 2. 05:15 AM - Re: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators (Craig Winkelmann, CFI) 3. 06:34 AM - Re: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude IndicatorsAttitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude (V. Walker) 4. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system (cjpilot710@aol.com) 5. 07:07 AM - Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system (keithmckinley) 6. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system (Keith McKinley) 7. 12:02 PM - Re: Wanted to buy 2 Parachutes-Cash (Craig Winkelmann, CFI) 8. 12:09 PM - Re: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators (Jorgen Nielsen) 9. 02:44 PM - Re: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators (dabear) 10. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system (Walter Lannon) 11. 06:57 PM - Re: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude IndicatorsAttitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude (Roger Kemp MD) 12. 07:20 PM - Installing Video Sytem Power Question (Yak Driver) 13. 07:20 PM - Installing Video Sytem Power Question (Yak Driver) 14. 08:25 PM - Re: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators (Roger Kemp MD) 15. 11:55 PM - N registered Yak aircraft (Jan Mevis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:33 AM PST US From: "kp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system Why take it out at all ? You may never need it in your local climate but you may just one day sell your bird to somebody in colder climes. Cheapest fix I can devise is a neat piece of duct tape over the switch ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "keithmckinley" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:41 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system > > > little hesitant to disconnect or snip wires as something will still be > live back there. I was thinking about yanking the solenoids during the > next annual. has anyone actually done this mod? > > Keith > > -------- > Wizard > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198678#198678 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:52 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" Val: You should take a look at Blue Mountain Avionics. They have some very nice stuff for experimental aircraft. I am in the process of installing a BMA Sport in my CJ. Well, actually, Barry Hancock at Worldwide Warbirds is installing it. I've also installed round dial backup instruments. The BMA Sport integrates well with the Garmin SL-40 and Garmin transponders. You can contact me off-list if you want any further info. Or contact Barry. Cheers, Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198702#198702 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:52 AM PST US From: "V. Walker" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude IndicatorsAttitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Thanks Doc, That's what I needed to know. I'll start saving and do the research on the Dynon and Aspen systems. If you talk to Line Dog, he'll be happy to know I've put Bill Blackwell's long range fuel bladder tanks in, new gear this year, a spare stainless water separator, and new American pitot static instruments. (We're both admittedly anal about "Chang", formerly "CJ"). It's still looking great and performing beautifully. That's not a bad thing when it comes to aviation. Safe Skys and good flying, Val ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:24 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system You can also use it for your smoke system. I installed a a smoke oil tank the same size as my old Chinese ADF and mounted it on the same rack. I than used an old 24 volt fuel pump to pump the oil from the tank to the solenoid valve and hence to the exhaust stack. I installed new switch near the throttle, and hooked the solenoid in series with the pump. Thus when I close the switch the pump comes on and the valve opens. Has worked fine for about 1,500 now. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 8/14/2008 10:36:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wlannon@persona.ca writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: Walter Lannon Why not remove the entire system including wiring, cap off the fuel inlet at the pump "T" fitting and rivet or bolt a cover plate over the firewall hole. This leaves you an extra switch position, eliminates the possibility of a fuel leak in the solenoid valve and leaves only one fuel pressure hose to inspect or replace at annual. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" > > > Keith: > > Isn't oil thinning activated by a switch? Why not cut the wires or wire > the switch in the off position. > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198647#198647 > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:21 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system From: "keithmckinley" I live in a cold climate and I'd never use it. Prior to this winter I'll have a heater installed on my oil tank. Something the Chinese should have done. However, your point is a valid one. Keith -------- Wizard Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198718#198718 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:45 AM PST US From: Keith McKinley Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system good stuff!! K On Aug 15, 2008, at 9:58 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote: > You can also use it for your smoke system. I installed a a smoke > oil tank the same size as my old Chinese ADF and mounted it on the > same rack. I than used an old 24 volt fuel pump to pump the oil > from the tank to the solenoid valve and hence to the exhaust > stack. I installed new switch near the throttle, and hooked the > solenoid in series with the pump. Thus when I close the switch the > pump comes on and the valve opens. Has worked fine for about 1,500 > now. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > > In a message dated 8/14/2008 10:36:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > wlannon@persona.ca writes: > > Why not remove the entire system including wiring, cap off the fuel > inlet at > the pump "T" fitting and rivet or bolt a cover plate over the > firewall hole. > This leaves you an extra switch position, eliminates the > possibility of a > fuel leak in the solenoid valve and leaves only one fuel pressure > hose to > inspect or replace at annual. > > Walt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:12 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system > > > > > > > > Keith: > > > > Isn't oil thinning activated by a switch? Why not cut the wires > or wire > > the switch in the off position. > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198647#198647 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - > List Contribution Web Site ; > ======================== > > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read > reviews on AOL Autos. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:09 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Wanted to buy 2 Parachutes-Cash From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" Two Strong 304's are for sale on barnstormers. Were for a Yak-52 and have Yak logos, etc. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198757#198757 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:21 PM PST US From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators I have other products from same supplier and very happy with it. The enigma far more capable than the dynon. It's a South African product, made by MGL avionics. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of V. Walker Sent: 14 August 2008 07:33 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators Hey out there "guys". It's been awhile since I've posted anything on the list, but I always enjoy keeping track of what's going on with you all and the wisdom shared. I've been having lots of fun over the last year in the local area learning a little basic acro VFR and generally getting to know my mountainous local flying and all of the airspace restrictions around SLC. My CJ panel is about as basic as it gets with a Chinese Artificial Horizon and a whiskey compass and hand held Lowrance 1000 airmap for nav. No VOR, ILS or even an ADF. Mountains out here generally top 12 -14,000 feet. I'm seriously considering an expensive but all-in-one Enigma System glass cockpit with GPS, EFIS, flight instruments, terrain displays, etc. for experimental aircraft (non-certified). It's made by an Austrailian company called "Air Pacific Light Flying". Any input from the troops on this will be appreciated. I want this because I'm considering extended cross country flights now to some Red Strar fly-in destinations and being a paranoid ex-airline pilot, I want my back-ups. Also, I don't want to accidentally find myself IFR some dark and stormy night and have my eyeballs cage while trying to decide what's really happening with the Chinese ADI versus what my stressed out brain is trying to see from 30 plus years of flying IFR with the American versions. Thanks, P.S. Despite any differences of opinion we're bound to have, I don't doubt that anyone on this list would be willing to pull a brother (or sister) out of a burning plane at great risk to themselves if the situation called for it. These "Yaks" bring some pretty neat (if opinionated) people together, and for that I am eternally grateful. Val ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:32 PM PST US From: "dabear" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators I, like many others, have been following the EFIS products for a few years for the CJ/Yak application. None are perfect and like the choice between CJ/yak-52/yak50 the choice comes down to mission and individual preference. (NO THAT WAS NOT A REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION OF CJ versus YAK; down guys down :-) I'd like to get a system that not only does EFIS, but also supports replacing our engine instruments (that gets rid of 250lbs of Chinese/Russian wiring, power supplies, and instruments) and only adds limited (10lbs maybe) weight back in. The other thing I look for is support and the Dynon folks are all over supporting their customers with trade in and upgrade paths. Be very careful with the Blue Mountain stuff, they don't have a great history of supporting back revisions of their hardware and software. After walking the booths at Osh, I'm looking at #1) the next gen Dynon box, #2) the Advanced Systems unit, #3) the GRT units. #4) Aspen Avionics 1 and 2 swap back and forth. The AdvSys latest units are already out and support 9 Cyl CHT (A BIG issue when troubleshooting engine issues). They also have highspeed data connectivity between units, great upgrade support, and support redundant screens in the back for less cash than a full unit. But are more expensive than other units. Dynon is the low cost, great support leader. But they don't yet (and as of 3 days ago) don't plan to support 9Cyl engines. Their next gen box looks great and even has an autopilot interface. All for less money. The GRT unit has had redundant AHRS units for years, a good unit and good support and upgrades. However, seperate engine monitoring unit that "talks" to the EFIS. Their new units are good, just more expensive than the Dynon. Blue Mountain has multiple products and a very nice interface. Initially, I was going toward them. However after seeing how they deal with upgrade path, and support of people that purchased their 1st and 2nd gen units. I no longer consider them. (just my opinion, your experience may vary, void where prohibited, weight before cooking). The Aspen Avionics unit is fantastic. I like the idea of software upgrades (no Hardware changes) between their different levels of EFD1000. it is certified and a very nice unit. Only issue is the cost for the Pro version (support for 2 GPS/VHF Nav) at 10k. But I've added an EFIS to the list of upgades for the CJ including 2 axis autopilot 3 axis electric trim Radar Altimiter for CAT III approaches Look down-shoot down radar system Radar Jamming pod FLIR It might affect my ability to carry a GIB due to impact to gross weight...and ...Now all I need is the cash..... Dabear ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorgen Nielsen To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators I have other products from same supplier and very happy with it. The enigma far more capable than the dynon. It's a South African product, made by MGL avionics. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of V. Walker Sent: 14 August 2008 07:33 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators Hey out there "guys". It's been awhile since I've posted anything on the list, but I always enjoy keeping track of what's going on with you all and the wisdom shared. I've been having lots of fun over the last year in the local area learning a little basic acro VFR and generally getting to know my mountainous local flying and all of the airspace restrictions around SLC. My CJ panel is about as basic as it gets with a Chinese Artificial Horizon and a whiskey compass and hand held Lowrance 1000 airmap for nav. No VOR, ILS or even an ADF. Mountains out here generally top 12 -14,000 feet. I'm seriously considering an expensive but all-in-one Enigma System glass cockpit with GPS, EFIS, flight instruments, terrain displays, etc. for experimental aircraft (non-certified). It's made by an Austrailian company called "Air Pacific Light Flying". Any input from the troops on this will be appreciated. I want this because I'm considering extended cross country flights now to some Red Strar fly-in destinations and being a paranoid ex-airline pilot, I want my back-ups. Also, I don't want to accidentally find myself IFR some dark and stormy night and have my eyeballs cage while trying to decide what's really happening with the Chinese ADI versus what my stressed out brain is trying to see from 30 plus years of flying IFR with the American versions. Thanks, P.S. Despite any differences of opinion we're bound to have, I don't doubt that anyone on this list would be willing to pull a brother (or sister) out of a burning plane at great risk to themselves if the situation called for it. These "Yaks" bring some pretty neat (if opinionated) people together, and for that I am eternally grateful. Val http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt p://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:49 PM PST US From: Walter Lannon Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system Because it is a potential hazard from inadvertent operation or from a leaking solenoid valve. Disabling the switch will take care of the first. The second requires at least removal of the fuel feed hose. The need for oil dilution ended in virtually all climates with the advent of aviation multi-grade oils. It was a "necessary evil" in the "good old days" of bush flying in the Canadian North. The idea was borrowed from some of the truck operators and developed for aircraft use by a gentleman named Tommy Siers in 1928 who just happened to be my boss when I started with the airlines in 1951. That earned Tommy the McKee Trophy in 1940 for outstanding contribution to Canadian aviation. By that time it had been incorporated into most of the larger military and civil aircraft worldwide. It served a useful purpose in those days but not without cost. The sludge build up inside the engine and propellor dome became a major problem with later engines using 100/130 and 115/145 avgas due to the high lead (PB) content. That was when the system was properly operated. When improperly operated the likely result was engine failure due to loss of lubrication. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "kp" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:26 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system > > Why take it out at all ? > > You may never need it in your local climate but you may just one day sell > your bird to somebody in colder climes. > > Cheapest fix I can devise is a neat piece of duct tape over the switch ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keithmckinley" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:41 AM > Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6 oil thinning system > > >> >> >> little hesitant to disconnect or snip wires as something will still be >> live back there. I was thinking about yanking the solenoids during the >> next annual. has anyone actually done this mod? >> >> Keith >> >> -------- >> Wizard >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198678#198678 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:15 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp MD" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude IndicatorsAttitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Rog.Linedogg has gone come silent lately. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of V. Walker Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude IndicatorsAttitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Thanks Doc, That's what I needed to know. I'll start saving and do the research on the Dynon and Aspen systems. If you talk to Line Dog, he'll be happy to know I've put Bill Blackwell's long range fuel bladder tanks in, new gear this year, a spare stainless water separator, and new American pitot static instruments. (We're both admittedly anal about "Chang", formerly "CJ"). It's still looking great and performing beautifully. That's not a bad thing when it comes to aviation. Safe Skys and good flying, Val ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:51 PM PST US From: Yak Driver Subject: Yak-List: Installing Video Sytem Power Question Hi,=0AI'm installing a digital video system in my Yak 52 from datatoys.com. - Anyone have suggestions regarding where to tap for electrical power?- I used the power bus coming to the far right power switch in the line of s witches where the 'master' switch/start power, etc' are located for my tran sponder installation, not sure if I can also use that for the video system. =0AThanks,=0AMike =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:52 PM PST US From: Yak Driver Subject: Yak-List: Installing Video Sytem Power Question Hi,=0AI'm installing a digital video system in my Yak 52 from datatoys.com. - Anyone have suggestions regarding where to tap for electrical power?- I used the power bus coming to the far right power switch in the line of s witches where the 'master' switch/start power, etc' are located for my tran sponder installation, not sure if I can also use that for the video system. =0AThanks,=0AMike =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:17 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp MD" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators Great summary. The Blue Mountain has GPS built in. The Dynon interfaces with the Garmin 430, 396, 496, 40/30SL(as well as other GPS units) to give you through their interface module GPS , ILS, and VOR approaches. It will communicate with a second unit in the backseat along with flip flop between the HSI function and the HUD function for the D10A or with the D100 you can setup a split screen. The D10A plus all it's probes is around $2850. Add on the HS 34 HSI module for flipping between the 40SL and the 396 or 430 for $650. The D10A and D100 will communicate with the 396/430 without the HS 34 module but you lose the ILS/VOR function if you are interfacing it with a SL40. ADD an EMS D10 for engine monitoring (6 cylinders only but you can add a flip flop switch a pickup the 3 you are missing). So basically for $2300, 1700, and 650 plus $130 ( Li backup battery),$100 (external digital compass- highly recommend),$65 (OAT probe. Winds aloft and density altitude automatically calculated), $90 (wiring harness) , $20 (flush mount bracket) (fits in the existing panel holes in the YAK or CJ), $ 80 (encoder converter), you have a system that will do everything you wanted in navigation in an experimental A/C in the US. I have not added the EMS D10 yet so I did not give the cost of the probes for the EMS system but they are cheap. They range from $20 to $75 for probes with the most expensive being the fuel flow sensor. The software updates are free from Dynon and when you call support you get instant help while actually speaking with a human. I have been well satisfied with the system in my 50. For under $5000, you have a full up system. The remote mounted digital compass is a must due to all the ferrous metal around the panel (atleast in my 50 and 52) causing swing in the compass function in the main panel mount unit. Overall, I have been very pleased Go to the Dynon website to learn more. I'm pretty well sold on the unit. For the cost, you get 9 instruments in one. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dabear Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators I, like many others, have been following the EFIS products for a few years for the CJ/Yak application. None are perfect and like the choice between CJ/yak-52/yak50 the choice comes down to mission and individual preference. (NO THAT WAS NOT A REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION OF CJ versus YAK; down guys down :-) I'd like to get a system that not only does EFIS, but also supports replacing our engine instruments (that gets rid of 250lbs of Chinese/Russian wiring, power supplies, and instruments) and only adds limited (10lbs maybe) weight back in. The other thing I look for is support and the Dynon folks are all over supporting their customers with trade in and upgrade paths. Be very careful with the Blue Mountain stuff, they don't have a great history of supporting back revisions of their hardware and software. After walking the booths at Osh, I'm looking at #1) the next gen Dynon box, #2) the Advanced Systems unit, #3) the GRT units. #4) Aspen Avionics 1 and 2 swap back and forth. The AdvSys latest units are already out and support 9 Cyl CHT (A BIG issue when troubleshooting engine issues). They also have highspeed data connectivity between units, great upgrade support, and support redundant screens in the back for less cash than a full unit. But are more expensive than other units. Dynon is the low cost, great support leader. But they don't yet (and as of 3 days ago) don't plan to support 9Cyl engines. Their next gen box looks great and even has an autopilot interface. All for less money. The GRT unit has had redundant AHRS units for years, a good unit and good support and upgrades. However, seperate engine monitoring unit that "talks" to the EFIS. Their new units are good, just more expensive than the Dynon. Blue Mountain has multiple products and a very nice interface. Initially, I was going toward them. However after seeing how they deal with upgrade path, and support of people that purchased their 1st and 2nd gen units. I no longer consider them. (just my opinion, your experience may vary, void where prohibited, weight before cooking). The Aspen Avionics unit is fantastic. I like the idea of software upgrades (no Hardware changes) between their different levels of EFD1000. it is certified and a very nice unit. Only issue is the cost for the Pro version (support for 2 GPS/VHF Nav) at 10k. But I've added an EFIS to the list of upgades for the CJ including 2 axis autopilot 3 axis electric trim Radar Altimiter for CAT III approaches Look down-shoot down radar system Radar Jamming pod FLIR It might affect my ability to carry a GIB due to impact to gross weight...and ...Now all I need is the cash..... Dabear ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorgen Nielsen Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators I have other products from same supplier and very happy with it. The enigma far more capable than the dynon. It's a South African product, made by MGL avionics. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of V. Walker Sent: 14 August 2008 07:33 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators Hey out there "guys". It's been awhile since I've posted anything on the list, but I always enjoy keeping track of what's going on with you all and the wisdom shared. I've been having lots of fun over the last year in the local area learning a little basic acro VFR and generally getting to know my mountainous local flying and all of the airspace restrictions around SLC. My CJ panel is about as basic as it gets with a Chinese Artificial Horizon and a whiskey compass and hand held Lowrance 1000 airmap for nav. No VOR, ILS or even an ADF. Mountains out here generally top 12 -14,000 feet. I'm seriously considering an expensive but all-in-one Enigma System glass cockpit with GPS, EFIS, flight instruments, terrain displays, etc. for experimental aircraft (non-certified). It's made by an Austrailian company called "Air Pacific Light Flying". Any input from the troops on this will be appreciated. I want this because I'm considering extended cross country flights now to some Red Strar fly-in destinations and being a paranoid ex-airline pilot, I want my back-ups. Also, I don't want to accidentally find myself IFR some dark and stormy night and have my eyeballs cage while trying to decide what's really happening with the Chinese ADI versus what my stressed out brain is trying to see from 30 plus years of flying IFR with the American versions. Thanks, P.S. Despite any differences of opinion we're bound to have, I don't doubt that anyone on this list would be willing to pull a brother (or sister) out of a burning plane at great risk to themselves if the situation called for it. These "Yaks" bring some pretty neat (if opinionated) people together, and for that I am eternally grateful. Val http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:24 PM PST US From: "Jan Mevis" Subject: Yak-List: N registered Yak aircraft Does anyone know if American registered Yak, Sukhoi or Nanchang aircraft can keep their American registration outside the USA ? It is possible for non American citizens to have a November registered aircraft outside the USA, if the plane is brought to a Trust Company. A very complex matter but absolutely legal and safe. But I suppose that there are quite some restrictions. One such Trust Company that I've contacted says that it does not work for a Yak. If so, I'd liked to know why. 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