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1. 02:22 AM - Re: N registered Yak aircraft (dabear)
2. 03:52 AM - Re: N registered Yak aircraft (Hans Oortman 1)
3. 04:33 AM - Re: N registered Yak aircraft (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 06:05 AM - Re: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
5. 08:02 AM - Re: The great 2008 Yak Glass cockpit competition (V. Walker)
6. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: N registered Yak aircraft (Scott Poehlmann)
7. 10:57 AM - Re: The great 2008 Yak Glass cockpit competition (Robert Schwartz)
8. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators (Jay Land)
9. 07:10 PM - Re: The great 2008 Yak Glass cockpit competition (Roger Kemp MD)
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| Subject: | Re: N registered Yak aircraft |
I would think that 3 things stopped it from working, but I'm not a
lawyer or expert on the faa....
1) the 300nm limit on the operating limitations...(the FSDO had to know
where you were based). That "might" change now that requirement is
removed
2) the fact that my OL says operations of the aircraft outside the US is
not allowed without prior approval of the country flown into (many do
not recognize our experimental Exhibition cert)
3) getting a US A&P to sign off on the annual each year.
Those are the quick things that come to mind at 5:30 in the morning...
dabear
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Mevis
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: N registered Yak aircraft
Does anyone know if American registered Yak, Sukhoi or Nanchang
aircraft can keep their American registration outside the USA ?
It is possible for non American citizens to have a November registered
aircraft outside the USA, if the plane is brought to a Trust Company. A
very complex matter but absolutely legal and safe.
But I suppose that there are quite some restrictions. One such Trust
Company that I've contacted says that it does not work for a Yak. If so,
I'd liked to know why.
Jan Mevis
Yak 50 RA2005K
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| Subject: | N registered Yak aircraft |
Jan,
The trust thing only works for N-registered aircraft which fall in the
normal registration category.
Planes like the Yaks, CJ's and T28's (i.e. all ex military) fall in the
experimental category and are there for not allowed to fly outside the USA.
That is what I have been told by the FAA and our own officials. I would like
to bring a T28 to Holland but have given up on that because of the
registration thing. Finding a T28 in the normal category is merely
impossible.
What bothers me though is that the Red Bull guys are all flying their planes
in the US experimental category and still have flown in Rotterdam a few
weeks ago. How they have done that beats me but I am surely interested to
find out.
Regards,
Hans
RA3326K
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Jan Mevis
Verzonden: zaterdag 16 augustus 2008 8:55
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Yak-List: N registered Yak aircraft
Does anyone know if American registered Yak, Sukhoi or Nanchang aircraft can
keep their American registration outside the USA ?
It is possible for non American citizens to have a November registered
aircraft outside the USA, if the plane is brought to a Trust Company. A very
complex matter but absolutely legal and safe.
But I suppose that there are quite some restrictions. One such Trust Company
that I've contacted says that it does not work for a Yak. If so, I'd liked
to know why.
Jan Mevis
Yak 50 RA2005K
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| Subject: | Re: N registered Yak aircraft |
I bet the same rule was in effect in 1972 and most likely somewhere in the
ICAO accords. in 1972 all the World Acro teams that where in England that
year were flying their national reregistered aircraft. After the competiti
on,
Mary Gaffeny and the female Russian team member wanted to trade rides, Mary
to
fly the Yak 18R and the Russian gal to fly Mary's Pitts. The Brits nicks i
t
because neither aircraft were register in the UK and neither pilot had UK
licenses. Some years before that while I worked for Bahamas Airways I was
not
allowed to fly Bahamian registered DC-3s because I didn't have UK rating.
Shortly after that while I was based in Germany, I had to get a German priv
ate
pilots license in order to fly the local flying club's SuperCub.
It makes sense to me.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 8/16/2008 6:53:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pa3arw@euronet.nl writes:
Jan,
The trust thing only works for N-registered aircraft which fall in the
normal registration category.
Planes like the Yaks, CJ=99s and T28=99s (i.e. all ex military)
fall in the
experimental category and are there for not allowed to fly outside the USA.
That is what I have been told by the FAA and our own officials. I would lik
e
to bring a T28 to Holland but have given up on that because of the
registration thing. Finding a T28 in the normal category is merely impossib
le
What bothers me though is that the Red Bull guys are all flying their plane
s
in the US experimental category and still have flown in Rotterdam a few
weeks ago. How they have done that beats me but I am surely interested to f
ind
out.
Regards,
Hans
RA3326K
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Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Jan Mevis
Verzonden: zaterdag 16 augustus 2008 8:55
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Yak-List: N registered Yak aircraft
Does anyone know if American registered Yak, Sukhoi or Nanchang aircraft ca
n
keep their American registration outside the USA ?
It is possible for non American citizens to have a November registered
aircraft outside the USA, if the plane is brought to a Trust Company. A ver
y
complex matter but absolutely legal and safe.
But I suppose that there are quite some restrictions. One such Trust Compan
y
that I=99ve contacted says that it does not work for a Yak. If so, I
=99d liked
to know why.
Jan Mevis
Yak 50 RA2005K
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| Subject: | Re: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators |
Gang:
As for my experience with Blue Mountain Avionics, it has been nothing but superior.
They have worked very hard with Barry and I on multiple issues with regard
to doing 9-cylinder engine monitoring, installation, etc. Your mileage may
vary, but they have been fantastic to work with. I called Dynon and GRT during
my decision making process and asked about 9 cylinder monitoring and got a
flat out no, not in the cards.
With the Sport, I get a display I can actually read due to its size, synthetic
vision, XM weather, full integration to the Garmin SL-30. If you do the Garmin
GTX 330 transponder, you can even have traffic. In addition, I get full 9-cylinder
engine monitoring, fuel flow, etc, etc. There is also an aerobatic mode
that minimizes info on the display to attitude, airspeed, altitude and g's.
If I were doing it all over, I may even have considered their EFIS-2 as it gives
you the 6-pack, HSI and moving map all in one display. Very nice.
More expensive that Dynon, yes.
Craig
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198907#198907
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| Subject: | Re: The great 2008 Yak Glass cockpit competition |
I spoke with the representatives at Dynon and Aspen yesterday after
reviewing their products on line. Both claim to have a "bigger, better
all-encompassing" system coming out for us in 2009. Neither could give
pricing right now, but at this time I'm inclined to go with Dynon
products for all of the reasons Doc and others here have listed. The
pricing and the sales rep at Aspen were barely accommodating and I noted
that the battery back up for Aspen systems was only :30 minutes versus
the Dynon systems' 1:30. (Maybe they have a better back-up option for
another thousand $ or so). I did like the Aspen add-on buildable
options and the fact that the presentation and information on their
units was very similar to what I was looking at in the 767/757.
Unfortunately, the pricing wasn't much below it either.
I got all excited when DaBear mentioned he was considering their FLIR,
Cat III, and radar jamming capabilities. I really need that too and I'm
sure that, for a price, Aspen will supply it.
Thanks Doc. I'm having my financial advisor.... er, - my "avionics
man" take a look at the options listed here. This information really
helps.
Val
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| Subject: | Re: N registered Yak aircraft |
Hans Oortman 1 wrote:
>
> Jan,
>
> The trust thing only works for N-registered aircraft which fall in the
> normal registration category.
>
> Planes like the Yaks, CJs and T28s (i.e. all ex military) fall in
> the experimental category and are there for not allowed to fly outside
> the USA.
>
> That is what I have been told by the FAA and our own officials. I
> would like to bring a T28 to Holland but have given up on that because
> of the registration thing. Finding a T28 in the normal category is
> merely impossible
>
> What bothers me though is that the Red Bull guys are all flying their
> planes in the US experimental category and still have flown in
> Rotterdam a few weeks ago. How they have done that beats me but I am
> surely interested to find out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hans
>
> RA3326K
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *Van:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *Namens *Jan Mevis
> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 16 augustus 2008 8:55
> *Aan:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Onderwerp:* Yak-List: N registered Yak aircraft
>
> Does anyone know if American registered Yak, Sukhoi or Nanchang
> aircraft can keep their American registration outside the USA ?
>
> It is possible for non American citizens to have a November registered
> aircraft outside the USA, if the plane is brought to a Trust Company.
> A very complex matter but absolutely legal and safe.
>
> But I suppose that there are quite some restrictions. One such Trust
> Company that Ive contacted says that it does not work for a Yak. If
> so, Id liked to know why.
>
> Jan Mevis
>
> Yak 50 RA2005K
>
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Hi Jan and Hans,
You are right about the way the trust works.
As far as the Red Bull (and other aerobatic airplanes, e.g.,
US-registered planes at WAC or other competitions in Europe), these
airplanes aren't BASED in Europe, they are only flown there. The issue
is the address at which the airplane is registered. An Experimental
airplane which is US registered can FLY in a country outside the US IF
it has written permission from the aviation authority in that country,
but it is registered to an address in the US. The simplest case of this
is the following: Lets say I have a Yak 55 which I want to take to an
aerobatic contest in Canada. I write to Transport Canada (the aviation
authority for Canada) and obtain permission for the airplane to fly in
Canada, then I fly to Canada, hopefully win the contest and then come
back to my base in the US. We do the same thing every two years with the
US Aerobatic Team airplanes, which go over to the WAC--e.g., in 2007 it
was in Spain. In fact several of the planes were air-lifted to
Luxembourg, and then flown to Spain through France and then back to
Luxembourg after the WAC. So permission was obtained from Luxembourg,
Belgium, France, and Spain. I am certain that the Red Bull airplanes are
handled the same way, and are registered to a US citizen (or US Company)
in the US with a US address. There is no reason that a US citizen (or
US-held company) with a US address could not register an
Experimental-Exhibition airplane, obtain permission for it to fly in a
European country and fly it there for as long as the European country
would allow.
To answer Jan's original question, if a US citizen owns a US registered
Sukhoi or Yak, and takes it to Europe, and obtains permission for it to
fly there, it can (in fact it MUST) remain on the US registry and can
legally fly (since a US citizen wouldn't be allowed to register an
airplane in say Germany, nor could they fly it without a JAR pilot
certificate...). I know several high-level US aerobatic pilots who keep
airplanes in Europe for the purpose of flying in European contests
without having to ship the airplane over the pond. On the other hand, a
non-US citizen who isn't at least also a US resident and holder of a US
pilot certificate essentially can't register an airplane on the US
registry EVEN IF IT IS IN THE US.
This stuff is quite complex, but basically boils down to the citizenship
of the owner of the airplane determines where it is registered.
Hope this helps.
Scott Poehlmann
Yak 55M N155YK
Vice President, IAC
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| Subject: | Re: The great 2008 Yak Glass cockpit competition |
I am looking to put an auto pilot in my YAK 52.----Does anyone have
any experience in what will be involved.- Is there a kit-available for
the yak or will I have to learn as I go.-- STEC of something similar i
s what I am considering=0A-Robert E. Schwartz=0ATel: 563-940-8600=0AEmail
: L29delfin@yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: V.
Walker <Valkyre1@utahbroadband.com>=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sa
turday, August 16, 2008 10:00:33 AM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: The great 2008
Yak Glass cockpit competition=0A=0A=0AI spoke with the representatives at
Dynon and Aspen yesterday after reviewing their products on line.- Both c
laim to have a "bigger, better all-encompassing" system coming out for us i
n 2009.- Neither could give pricing right now, but at this time I'm incli
ned to go with Dynon products for all of the reasons-Doc and others here
have listed.- The pricing and the sales rep at Aspen-were barely accomm
odating and I noted that the battery back up for Aspen systems was only :30
minutes versus the Dynon systems' 1:30.- (Maybe they have a better back-
up option for another thousand $ or so).- I did like the Aspen-add-on b
uildable options and the fact that the presentation and-information on th
eir units was very similar to what I was looking at in the-767/757.- Un
fortunately,-the pricing wasn't much below-it either.=0A-=0AI got all
excited when DaBear mentioned he was considering their FLIR, Cat III, and
radar jamming capabilities.- I really need that too and I'm sure that, fo
r a price, Aspen will supply it.--=0A-=0AThanks Doc.- I'm having my
financial advisor....--er, --my "avionics man" take a look at the op
tions listed here.- This information really helps.-=0A-=0AVal-=0A
======0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude Indicators |
How are they doing the engine probes now? Do you have electric start? In
the past they had to put the probes in the position of the air start
nozzles.
The Blue Mountain has always seemed to have a lot of bang for the buck.
Thanks, Jay
> From: "Craig Winkelmann, CFI" <capav8r@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:04:14 -0700
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Attitude Indicators and MORE for SALEAttitude
> Indicators
>
>
> Gang:
>
> As for my experience with Blue Mountain Avionics, it has been nothing but
> superior. They have worked very hard with Barry and I on multiple issues with
> regard to doing 9-cylinder engine monitoring, installation, etc. Your mileage
> may vary, but they have been fantastic to work with. I called Dynon and GRT
> during my decision making process and asked about 9 cylinder monitoring and
> got a flat out no, not in the cards.
>
> With the Sport, I get a display I can actually read due to its size, synthetic
> vision, XM weather, full integration to the Garmin SL-30. If you do the
> Garmin GTX 330 transponder, you can even have traffic. In addition, I get
> full 9-cylinder engine monitoring, fuel flow, etc, etc. There is also an
> aerobatic mode that minimizes info on the display to attitude, airspeed,
> altitude and g's.
>
> If I were doing it all over, I may even have considered their EFIS-2 as it
> gives you the 6-pack, HSI and moving map all in one display. Very nice.
>
> More expensive that Dynon, yes.
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198907#198907
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | The great 2008 Yak Glass cockpit competition |
Believe it or not Dynon has a reasonably priced unit that interfaces with
their other avionics. It was debuted at OSH.
I know I sound like a Dynon rep. Not so. I've just been very happy with
their stuff especially for the money. Blue Mountain feel from my graces
earlier when they absolutely refused to back their products that some of my
friends in the squadron had in their RVs. It was not pretty. The claim by
Blue Mountain was that they had done something to the unit to cause the
software failure. Not 4 units, one maybe.
I just have great service from Dynon and absolutely appreciate the fact that
when I call their office I get to talk to a human being the not only has
knowledge of their product but can give a concise answer to help fix the
problem.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Schwartz
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The great 2008 Yak Glass cockpit competition
I am looking to put an auto pilot in my YAK 52. Does anyone have any
experience in what will be involved. Is there a kit available for the yak
or will I have to learn as I go. STEC of something similar is what I am
considering
Robert E. Schwartz
Tel: 563-940-8600
Email: L29delfin@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: V. Walker <Valkyre1@utahbroadband.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:00:33 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The great 2008 Yak Glass cockpit competition
I spoke with the representatives at Dynon and Aspen yesterday after
reviewing their products on line. Both claim to have a "bigger, better
all-encompassing" system coming out for us in 2009. Neither could give
pricing right now, but at this time I'm inclined to go with Dynon products
for all of the reasons Doc and others here have listed. The pricing and the
sales rep at Aspen were barely accommodating and I noted that the battery
back up for Aspen systems was only :30 minutes versus the Dynon systems'
1:30. (Maybe they have a better back-up option for another thousand $ or
so). I did like the Aspen add-on buildable options and the fact that the
presentation and information on their units was very similar to what I was
looking at in the 767/757. Unfortunately, the pricing wasn't much below it
either.
I got all excited when DaBear mentioned he was considering their FLIR, Cat
III, and radar jamming capabilities. I really need that too and I'm sure
that, for a price, Aspen will supply it.
Thanks Doc. I'm having my financial advisor.... er, - my "avionics man"
take a look at the options listed here. This information really helps.
Val
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