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1. 05:14 AM - Re: Re: OL's and SAC's (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 03:08 PM - Re: wanted Housai or M14P engine (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
3. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: wanted Housai or M14P engine (doug sapp)
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| Subject: | Re: OL's and SAC's |
Barry,
With all due respect, I don't believe the Memorandum eliminates the
requirement for reissuance of operating limitations when the aircraft is
relocated. It only eliminates the requirement for the appropriate
paragraph 161 b, (31), (32), (33) or (34), each of which referred to
proficiency area limitations.
The elimination of the requirement to reissue the aircraft's operating
limitations is dependant upon how the OL's are written either by the
FSDO inspector or the DAR issuing the OL's. This is not covered by the
Memorandum. All of the aircraft that I have certified have been issued
OL's that do not require the reissuance of the OL's when an aircraft is
relocated. But again, this is solely dependant upon how the inspector
or DAR writes the OL's. This precedent was established years ago by
George Coy (if I am not mistaken - thank you George)and was accepted by
the FAA. The Detroit FSDO also implemented this same procedure sometime
later. George developed OL's with a "cover letter" which basically
stated when an aircraft is relocated, the owner is only required to send
a copy of the existing OL's to the new FSDO and certify in writing that
he has read and will comply with the existing OL's and state in the
letter the new home base airport is "-------". Nowhere in the body of
the aircraft's original OL's does it state a home base airport. The
home base airport is only stated in the Operational Program Letter,
which is the cover letter I mentioned to the OL's. The OPL is NOT the
Annual Schedule of Events we still are suppose to submit to the FAA
annually. BTW, the Annual Schedule of Events, (sometimes called the
Program Letter) has not been eliminated by the Memorandum according to
the FAA, which is totally ridiculous if we no longer have proficiency
flight restrictions. One other caveat; if the aircraft's OL's have not
been updated to remove the proficiency flight area, the aircraft must
still operate in accordance with the existing OL's which does have the
300/600 mile proficiency area restriction.
The reason the OL's had to be rewritten AND a new Special Airworthiness
Certificate had to be reissued when the aircraft was relocated was
because the home base airport was stated in the OL's and the OL's and
SAC are married together. If the OL's are no longer valid because of
the name of the home base airport, then the SAC was no longer valid
either. Thus, when the aircraft was moved to a new home base airport,
the OL's were invalid because of that one, single statement and so was
the SAC. As long as there were no other "restrictions" imposed by lets
say demographics, the OL's really didn't need to be rewritten EXCEPT to
change the name of the home base airport.
Pre-moratorium aircraft (July 1993) do not have proficiency area
restrictions. So none of this stuff applies to them.
Having said all this, remember the FAA/FSDO always has the power to
reissue the aircraft's operating limitations, regardless of how the
existing OL's are written . In almost all cases though when an aircraft
is relocated, the local FSDO accepts the OPL certification by the owner
along with a copy of the existing OL's. They don't like to have to do
additional paperwork.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith McKinley
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: OL's and SAC's
Hi Barry,
Do you have that reference? I do not see that in the memorandum
Dennis attached to his post.
Keith
On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Barry Hancock wrote:
Dennis, et. al.,
In addition to paragraph 30 being able to be deleted per the
Memorandum removing the 300nm range restriction. It also allows for the
removal of paragraph 46 requiring issuance of new OL's and SAC. We have
certified several aircraft, both CJ-6 and L-39, in the past 6 months and
are happy to help or act as your agent and completely manage the process
for you.
Regards,
Barry
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On Sep 5, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
As I previously mentioned, be sure the aircraft's registration is
current.
If not, they can not issue the OL's and Special Airworthiness
Certificate.
Also make sure the new OL's that will be issued do not have the
300 NM
proficiency area anywhere in them. That was rescinded on
September 11, 2007
by Memorandum, see attached.
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| Subject: | Re: wanted Housai or M14P engine |
Ernie in Ocala had a spare. Don't know what happened to it when he sold his plane.
You may want to contact him.
Craig
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3096#203096
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| Subject: | Re: wanted Housai or M14P engine |
Sold it to Jim Selby As I recall.
Doug
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Craig Winkelmann, CFI <capav8r@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
>
> Ernie in Ocala had a spare. Don't know what happened to it when he sold
> his plane. You may want to contact him.
>
> Craig
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3096#203096
>
>
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