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1. 06:25 AM - Re: Passenger carrying flights for compensation at airshows - an (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
2. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Passenger carrying flights for compensation at airshows - an (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
3. 06:36 PM - Re: Passenger carrying flights for compensation at airshows - an (Craig Winkelmann, CFI)
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Mark:
I appreciate your comments. The only point I was trying to make is that IF some
FAA/FSDO person whats to issue a violation, you are now guilty in the eyes of
the FAA and you will need to prove your innocence. As you state, a well documented
case is all in your favor.
I think the simple solution is, if you want to fly in airshows or display your
plane at an airshow, then be a commercial pilot with a current second class medical
AND don't fly media/VIP rides. Leave the media rides up to the guys flying
non-experimental aircraft. If you want to fly people, then do so at Young
Eagles events or do it at your own expense at an airshow.
As for the RPA. I cannot speak for the other members or the organization as a
whole. I do almost all of my flight instruction within Civil Air Patrol and am
prohibited from being compensated for it. I have done BFRs for RPA members
and have not charged for my time either. There is so much free flight/formation
instruction that goes on in the RPA, it is not in the spirit of what I see
in the organization to charge for my time as an instructor. I suppose I am also
blessed that I make a good living at what I do and just enjoy the flying.
Cheers,
Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Passenger carrying flights for compensation at airshows |
- an
Craig, I appreciate your comments as well. I don't AGREE with them, but
I appreciate that you're passing what you believe to be good advice and
sound suggestions. Your empathy for others is without question.
Next, I think it is DANGEROUS to profess an attitude of acceptance that
infers that when the FAA speaks, you are "guilty until proven innocent".
*I* think that there are a whole slew of "simple solutions". Without
really bothering to think each and every one through, here are some of
my thoughts:
1. "Hey Jim-Bob, please put my free fuel into "Billy-Jo's" aircraft
instead of mine.... Think that one through carefully! As soon as
you leave "Billy Jo" can pay for YOUR gas at the first fuel stop coming
back from the air show (assuming the two of you went there together) and
now the FAA can not prove ANYTHING went into YOUR aircraft.
2. "Hey Line Person", I don't want my wife to know I was here, could
you please put down N52YK instead of N55YK to cover my butt? Here's $10
for your efforts." Now the FAA has lost all proof of the event.
2a. Along the same lines... If given 15 gallons of free fuel, make sure
you BUY exactly... I repeat EXACTLY the same amount as you were given.
Now you have a RECEIPT for paying for the amount the FAA says you were
given. It's another way to further cloud the issue. Now the FAA will
have to summon witnesses from the FBO, who may just not want to testify.
3. A letter from the free fuel provider... As already described.
4. A letter TO the free fuel provider... As already described.
5. A complete list of the hourly expenses to fly your aircraft, and
what percent that "free fuel" amounted to.
6. After receiving the free fuel, fly off the field and land. Wait a
few hours. Come back. Now you have proof that you BURNED all that free
fuel before giving anyone a ride.
7. Take voice recorder, go to FAA Official on-site. TELL HIM THAT YOU
GOT FREE FUEL, show him your paperwork listed under 4 and 5 above. Tell
him you want to give a guy a ride and that you swear to him in front of
witnesses that the free fuel has nothing to do what-so-ever for free
ride and ask him to comment on it. If you're lucky, he might say go for
it. If you are unlucky, he will say no. Then you tell him you flew off
the free fuel already and have witnesses that will swear to it. If he
persists you then tell him fine then. This is only if your plans listed
in 1 and 2 failed to work. Come up with 2-3 people who will swear they
saw you fly off the fuel. If he files charges anyway, and you have all
this recorded, he will look like an idiot that is just out to make
peoples lives miserable.
I'd like to see about another 100 ideas to baffle the FAA with bull,
because by and large I would like to see the FAA change their reputation
into being more SUPPORTIVE of General Aviation than "otherwise".
I can understand your logic in paragraph two. Now consider this.
You're at your home airfield and someone comes up saying they are
interested in purchasing a CJ-6A. He would like a ride in one and
offers to purchase your fuel if you give him the ride. How many CJ-6A
owners would refuse this and say: "Oh NO Mr. Nice Guy, that is ILLEGAL
and I can not DO THAT!".
Oh sure.... All those that would say that please stand up and raise your
hands. Yet... That is exactly what the FAA is saying is illegal. My
comment is, it's time to start writing some letters.
Paragraph three. You dodged the question.
Mark Bitterlich
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Mark:
I appreciate your comments. The only point I was trying to make is that
IF some FAA/FSDO person whats to issue a violation, you are now guilty
in the eyes of the FAA and you will need to prove your innocence. As
you state, a well documented case is all in your favor.
I think the simple solution is, if you want to fly in airshows or
display your plane at an airshow, then be a commercial pilot with a
current second class medical AND don't fly media/VIP rides. Leave the
media rides up to the guys flying non-experimental aircraft. If you
want to fly people, then do so at Young Eagles events or do it at your
own expense at an airshow.
As for the RPA. I cannot speak for the other members or the
organization as a whole. I do almost all of my flight instruction
within Civil Air Patrol and am prohibited from being compensated for it.
I have done BFRs for RPA members and have not charged for my time
either. There is so much free flight/formation instruction that goes on
in the RPA, it is not in the spirit of what I see in the organization to
charge for my time as an instructor. I suppose I am also blessed that I
make a good living at what I do and just enjoy the flying.
Cheers,
Craig
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- an
Mark:
Paragraph three. It is the political season. I've learned a thing or two from
Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin =:-)) [Laughing]
Craig
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