---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/08/08: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:05 AM - Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review (Barry Hancock) 2. 08:14 AM - Rudder Pedal Brackets (Barry Hancock) 3. 08:47 AM - You Guys ROCK! (Rico Jaeger) 4. 08:56 AM - Re: Rudder Pedal Brackets (John Cox) 5. 09:12 AM - Re: You Guys ROCK! (Forrest Johnson) 6. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 7. 10:17 AM - Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review (tjyak50) 8. 12:32 PM - Re: You Guys ROCK! (YakL1@AOL.COM) 9. 01:07 PM - Re: You Guys ROCK! (byronmfox) 10. 01:22 PM - Re: You Guys ROCK! (Rico Jaeger) 11. 02:47 PM - Re: You Guys ROCK! (Kurt Howerton) 12. 03:19 PM - Re: You Guys ROCK! (Rico Jaeger) 13. 06:39 PM - Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review (Tim Gagnon) 14. 06:40 PM - Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review (tjyak50) 15. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review (Roger Kemp MD) 16. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 17. 07:54 PM - FW: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 18. 08:22 PM - Re: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review (Roger Kemp MD) 19. 08:40 PM - Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review (tjyak50) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:25 AM PST US From: Barry Hancock Subject: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review On Oct 7, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote: > For a Yak 52 it can sense gear down indications, or flaps out > before gear down. > Throttle retarded with gear not down OR flaps out with gear not > down = WARNING. In the L-39 the gear warning horn sounds if the gear are up with full flaps retracted. This type of circuitry would seem to be ideal and eliminate any false warnings created by the throttle setting. What, in my opinion, you don't want to create is familiarity with a warning system through false alarms. On the L-39 it most often happens on a go-around when gear up is selected before flaps 25...gets your attention every time! AND, it is EXTREMELY loud and uncomfortable which motivates you to deal with it right away. Just a thought, Barry Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com This email message and any attachment(s) are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary and/or confidential company information which may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you believe you are not the intended recipient(s), please contact us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com by reply email and destroy the original message and any copies of the message as well as any attachment(s) to the original. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:48 AM PST US From: Barry Hancock Subject: Yak-List: Rudder Pedal Brackets Gang, We have 4 orders currently for the "Your legs will love you" rudder pedal bracket mod for the CJ. I need 10 orders to keep the price at $250/set (one cockpit). I can get individual sets made, but they'll run $400, and that just doesn't make sense. With 6 more people stepping forward I will get the run started and have them out within 2 weeks. Again, these are made out of high grade machined aluminum block and give you about 3.5" of extra leg room. Installation is straightforward and improved over the first set. All hardware is included and installation time is 4-8 hours, depending on the condition of your original pedals. If they've been maintained, it's easy. If they haven't (which is apparently most of them) then the original hardware can be a battle. Either way, if you do any cross country flying at all, you'll be very happy to have done it. Please contact us directly at info@worldwidewarbirds.com with your order. Thanks, Barry Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com This email message and any attachment(s) are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary and/or confidential company information which may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you believe you are not the intended recipient(s), please contact us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com by reply email and destroy the original message and any copies of the message as well as any attachment(s) to the original. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:11 AM PST US From: "Rico Jaeger" Subject: Yak-List: You Guys ROCK! Yakkers, Cj'ers... I am currently not an owner of either...YET! But that is a MAJOR GOAL of my near aviation-based future. Yet I feel overwhelmingly compelled to say how positively ACTIVE and INFORMATIVE this group is! Good grief! I mean...you guys RAISE THE BAR beyond the reach of most! There are MANY other Type Clubs of sorts out there that could learn a lot about support, camaraderie, humility, tech tips, help, compassion, morale, FRIENDLINESS and FUN from you all. I have learned MUCH just by being privy to the many useful exchanges. From someone who's word probably doesn't carry much weight...BRAVO! ...and THANKS! (For the speck of positivity in a largely-negative world - and for the inspiration to continue my personal quest!) Your fan, supporter and future wingman, Rico Jaeger Wausau, WI. >>> Barry Hancock 10/8/2008 11:14 AM >>> Gang, We have 4 orders currently for the "Your legs will love you" rudder pedal bracket mod for the CJ. I need 10 orders to keep the price at $250/set (one cockpit). I can get individual sets made, but they'll run $400, and that just doesn't make sense. With 6 more people stepping forward I will get the run started and have them out within 2 weeks. Again, these are made out of high grade machined aluminum block and give you about 3.5" of extra leg room. Installation is straightforward and improved over the first set. All hardware is included and installation time is 4-8 hours, depending on the condition of your original pedals. If they've been maintained, it's easy. If they haven't (which is apparently most of them) then the original hardware can be a battle. Either way, if you do any cross country flying at all, you'll be very happy to have done it. Please contact us directly at info@worldwidewarbirds.com with your order. Thanks, Barry Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com This email message and any attachment(s) are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary and/or confidential company information which may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you believe you are not the intended recipient(s), please contact us atinfo@worldwidewarbirds.comby reply email and destroy the original message and any copies of the message as well as any attachment(s) to the original. ====== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:18 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Rudder Pedal Brackets From: "John Cox" This is worthy of consideration. However the installation time is much shorter than the four hours Barry represents. It is the need to remove the old corroded fasteners from the original ones that make you appreciate the investment after the job is done. John Cox From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Yak-List: Rudder Pedal Brackets Gang, We have 4 orders currently for the "Your legs will love you" rudder pedal bracket mod for the CJ. I need 10 orders to keep the price at $250/set (one cockpit). I can get individual sets made, but they'll run $400, and that just doesn't make sense. With 6 more people stepping forward I will get the run started and have them out within 2 weeks. Again, these are made out of high grade machined aluminum block and give you about 3.5" of extra leg room. Installation is straightforward and improved over the first set. All hardware is included and installation time is 4-8 hours, depending on the condition of your original pedals. If they've been maintained, it's easy. If they haven't (which is apparently most of them) then the original hardware can be a battle. Either way, if you do any cross country flying at all, you'll be very happy to have done it. Please contact us directly at info@worldwidewarbirds.com with your order. Thanks, Barry Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com This email message and any attachment(s) are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary and/or confidential company information which may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you believe you are not the intended recipient(s), please contact us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com by reply email and destroy the original message and any copies of the message as well as any attachment(s) to the original. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:43 AM PST US From: "Forrest Johnson" Subject: Re: Yak-List: You Guys ROCK! I have a CJ6A for sale. Why don't you join RPA and really become part of the group. Let me know if you are interested in N39YK. Specs and pics are on Barnstomers and RPA web sites. Welcome! Forrest Johnson 817 366 3150 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rico Jaeger To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Yak-List: You Guys ROCK! Yakkers, Cj'ers... I am currently not an owner of either...YET! But that is a MAJOR GOAL of my near aviation-based future. Yet I feel overwhelmingly compelled to say how positively ACTIVE and INFORMATIVE this group is! Good grief! I mean...you guys RAISE THE BAR beyond the reach of most! There are MANY other Type Clubs of sorts out there that could learn a lot about support, camaraderie, humility, tech tips, help, compassion, morale, FRIENDLINESS and FUN from you all. I have learned MUCH just by being privy to the many useful exchanges. From someone who's word probably doesn't carry much weight...BRAVO! ...and THANKS! (For the speck of positivity in a largely-negative world - and for the inspiration to continue my personal quest!) Your fan, supporter and future wingman, Rico Jaeger Wausau, WI. >>> Barry Hancock 10/8/2008 11:14 AM >>> Gang, We have 4 orders currently for the "Your legs will love you" rudder pedal bracket mod for the CJ. I need 10 orders to keep the price at $250/set (one cockpit). I can get individual sets made, but they'll run $400, and that just doesn't make sense. With 6 more people stepping forward I will get the run started and have them out within 2 weeks. Again, these are made out of high grade machined aluminum block and give you about 3.5" of extra leg room. Installation is straightforward and improved over the first set. All hardware is included and installation time is 4-8 hours, depending on the condition of your original pedals. If they've been maintained, it's easy. If they haven't (which is apparently most of them) then the original hardware can be a battle. Either way, if you do any cross country flying at all, you'll be very happy to have done it. Please contact us directly at info@worldwidewarbirds.com with your order. Thanks, Barry Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com This email message and any attachment(s) are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary and/or confidential company information which may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you believe you are not the intended recipient(s), please contact us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com by reply email and destroy the original message and any copies of the message as well as any attachment(s) to the original. ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List nics.com .matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" It's a great thought. Sadly some YAKS do not have flaps. Mark Bitterlich ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Barry Hancock Sent: Wed 10/8/2008 12:05 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review On Oct 7, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote: For a Yak 52 it can sense gear down indications, or flaps out before gear down. Throttle retarded with gear not down OR flaps out with gear not down = WARNING. In the L-39 the gear warning horn sounds if the gear are up with full flaps retracted. This type of circuitry would seem to be ideal and eliminate any false warnings created by the throttle setting. What, in my opinion, you don't want to create is familiarity with a warning system through false alarms. On the L-39 it most often happens on a go-around when gear up is selected before flaps 25...gets your attention every time! AND, it is EXTREMELY loud and uncomfortable which motivates you to deal with it right away. Just a thought, Barry Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com This email message and any attachment(s) are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary and/or confidential company information which may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you believe you are not the intended recipient(s), please contact us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com by reply email and destroy the original message and any copies of the message as well as any attachment(s) to the original. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:29 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review From: "tjyak50" We've gone around and around on this subject for years. There is always a way to find a reason why each system isn't perfect. So nobody does anything. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7922#207922 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:11 PM PST US From: YakL1@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Yak-List: You Guys ROCK! Rico: Welcome aboard. I have been in a CJ6 partnership for over 15 years. Buying that machine was one of the best decisions I have ever made. There are those that love their 52's equally. Whichever plane you buy (and the decision should be mission dependent) you will have a great time. John Zecherle MD "Rubber" In a message dated 10/8/2008 8:48:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us writes: Yakkers, Cj'ers... I am currently not an owner of either...YET! But that is a MAJOR GOAL of my near aviation-based future. Yet I feel overwhelmingly compelled to say how positively ACTIVE and INFORMATIVE this group is! Good grief! I mean...you guys RAISE THE BAR beyond the reach of most! There are MANY other Type Clubs of sorts out there that could learn a lot about support, camaraderie, humility, tech tips, help, compassion, morale, FRIENDLINESS and FUN from you all. I have learned MUCH just by being privy to the many useful exchanges. From someone who's word probably doesn't carry much weight...BRAVO! ...and THANKS! (For the speck of positivity in a largely-negative world - and for the inspiration to continue my personal quest!) Your fan, supporter and future wingman, Rico Jaeger Wausau, WI. >>> Barry Hancock 10/8/2008 11:14 AM >>> Gang, We have 4 orders currently for the "Your legs will love you" rudder pedal bracket mod for the CJ. I need 10 orders to keep the price at $250/set (one cockpit). I can get individual sets made, but they'll run $400, and that just doesn't make sense. With 6 more people stepping forward I will get the run started and have them out within 2 weeks. Again, these are made out of high grade machined aluminum block and give you about 3.5" of extra leg room. Installation is straightforward and improved over the first set. All hardware is included and installation time is 4-8 hours, depending on the condition of your original pedals. If they've been maintained, it's easy. If they haven't (which is apparently most of them) then the original hardware can be a battle. Either way, if you do any cross country flying at all, you'll be very happy to have done it. Please contact us directly at _info@worldwidewarbirds.com_ (mailto:info@worldwidewarbirds.com) with your order. Thanks, Barry Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com This email message and any attachment(s) are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary and/or confidential company information which may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you believe you are not the intended recipient(s), please contact us at _info@worldwidewarbirds.com_ (mailto:info@worldwidewarbirds.com) by reply email and destroy the original message and any copies of the message as well as any attachment(s) to the original. ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List nics.com .matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: You Guys ROCK! From: byronmfox I'm proud to say, Rico, that I have successfully recruited four members to t he RPA. -My system for sinking the hook is simple and transparent. -I pu t them in he airplane for a formation ride, and then invite them to an RPA e vent. -After that, there's no spitting the hook out! So, let's find some f olks reasonably near you in WI with whom you can fly. Should you visit the P eoples Republic of San Francisco, please call. ...Blitz Fox, CJ, 415-307-240 5 ijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us writes: Yakkers, Cj'ers... - I am currently not an owner of either...YET! But that is a MAJOR GOAL of my near aviation-based future.-Yet I feel overwhelmingly compelled to say how positively ACTIVE and INFORMATIVE this group is! Good grief! I mean...you g uys RAISE THE BAR beyond the reach of most! There are MANY other Type Clubs of sorts out there that could learn a lot about support, camaraderie, humili ty, tech tips, help, compassion, morale, FRIENDLINESS and FUN from you all. I have learned MUCH just by being privy to the many useful exchanges. From s omeone who's word probably doesn't carry much weight...BRAVO! - ...and THANKS! (For the speck of positivity in a largely-negative world - an d for the inspiration to continue my personal quest!) - Your fan, supporter and future wingman, - Rico Jaeger Wausau, WI. - - - - >>> Barry Hancock 10/8/2008 11:14 AM >>> Gang, We have 4 orders currently for the "Your legs will love you" rudder pedal br acket mod for the CJ. I need 10 orders to keep the price at $250/set (one co ckpit). I can get individual sets made, but they'll run $400, and that just doesn't make sense. With 6 more people stepping forward I will get the run s tarted and have them out within 2 weeks. Again, these are made out of high grade machined aluminum block and give you about 3.5" of extra leg room. Installation is straightforward and improved over the first set. All hardware is included and installation time is 4-8 ho urs, depending on the condition of your original pedals. If they've been mai ntained, it's easy. If they haven't (which is apparently most of them) then the original hardware can be a battle. Either way, if you do any cross count ry flying at all, you'll be very happy to have done it. Please contact us directly at-info@worldwidewarbirds.com-with your order .. Thanks, Barry Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com This email message and any attachment(s) are for the sole use of the intende d recipient(s) and may contain proprietary and/or confidential company infor mation which may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any u nauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Thank you!! >>> byronmfox 10/8/2008 3:07 PM >>> I'm proud to say, Rico, that I have successfully recruited four members to the RPA. My system for sinking the hook is simple and transparent. I put them in he airplane for a formation ride, and then invite them to an RPA event. After that, there's no spitting the hook out! So, let's find some folks reasonably near you in WI with whom you can fly. Should you visit the Peoples Republic of San Francisco, please call. ...Blitz Fox, CJ, 415-307-2405 ijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us writes: Yakkers, Cj'ers... I am currently not an owner of either...YET! But that is a MAJOR GOAL of my near aviation-based future. Yet I feel overwhelmingly compelled to say how positively ACTIVE and INFORMATIVE this group is! Good grief! I mean...you guys RAISE THE BAR beyond the reach of most! There are MANY other Type Clubs of sorts out there that could learn a lot about support, camaraderie, humility, tech tips, help, compassion, morale, FRIENDLINESS and FUN from you all. I have learned MUCH just by being privy to the many useful exchanges. From someone who's word probably doesn't carry much weight...BRAVO! ...and THANKS! (For the speck of positivity in a largely-negative world - and for the inspiration to continue my personal quest!) Your fan, supporter and future wingman, Rico Jaeger Wausau, WI. >>> Barry Hancock 10/8/2008 11:14 AM >>> Gang, We have 4 orders currently for the "Your legs will love you" rudder pedal bracket mod for the CJ. I need 10 orders to keep the price at $250/set (one cockpit). I can get individual sets made, but they'll run $400, and that just doesn't make sense. With 6 more people stepping forward I will get the run started and have them out within 2 weeks. Again, these are made out of high grade machined aluminum block and give you about 3.5" of extra leg room. Installation is straightforward and improved over the first set. All hardware is included and installation time is 4-8 hours, depending on the condition of your original pedals. If they've been maintained, it's easy. If they haven't (which is apparently most of them) then the original hardware can be a battle. Either way, if you do any cross country flying at all, you'll be very happy to have done it. Please contact us directly atinfo@worldwidewarbirds.comwith your order. Thanks, Barry Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com This email message and any attachment(s) are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary and/or confidential company information which may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Fox TDA Investment Group 1214 Donnelly Avenue Burlingame, CA 94010 650-343-6333 650-343-0858 Fax ====== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:19 PM PST US From: Kurt Howerton Subject: Re: Yak-List: You Guys ROCK! I can attest to Blitz's ability to sink the hook! Bought mine a few months after I went for a ride with Blitz. -- Kurt Howerton N923YK http://cj6.scitechsys.com byronmfox wrote: > I'm proud to say, Rico, that I have successfully recruited four > members to the RPA. My system for sinking the hook is simple and > transparent. I put them in he airplane for a formation ride, and then > invite them to an RPA event. After that, there's no spitting the hook > out! So, let's find some folks reasonably near you in WI with whom you > can fly. Should you visit the Peoples Republic of San Francisco, > please call. ...Blitz Fox, CJ, 415-307-2405 > > ijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us writes: > > Yakkers, Cj'ers... > > I am currently not an owner of either...YET! But that is a > MAJOR GOAL of my near aviation-based future. Yet I feel > overwhelmingly compelled to say how positively ACTIVE and > INFORMATIVE this group is! Good grief! I mean...you guys RAISE > THE BAR beyond the reach of most! There are MANY other Type > Clubs of sorts out there that could learn a lot about support, > camaraderie, humility, tech tips, help, compassion, morale, > FRIENDLINESS and FUN from you all. I have learned MUCH just by > being privy to the many useful exchanges. From someone who's > word probably doesn't carry much weight...BRAVO! > > ...and THANKS! (For the speck of positivity in a > largely-negative world - and for the inspiration to continue > my personal quest!) > > Your fan, supporter and future wingman, > > Rico Jaeger > Wausau, WI. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:09 PM PST US From: "Rico Jaeger" Subject: Re: Yak-List: You Guys ROCK! I don't doubt it! But suggesting that I need to be "baited" to build interest in a Yak / CJ is like saying Jessica Alba needs to work out a little before she can have my number! >>> Kurt Howerton 10/8/2008 4:46 PM >>> I can attest to Blitz's ability to sink the hook! Bought mine a few months after I went for a ride with Blitz. -- Kurt Howerton N923YK http://cj6.scitechsys.com ( http://cj6.scitechsys.com/ ) byronmfox wrote: > I'm proud to say, Rico, that I have successfully recruited four > members to the RPA. My system for sinking the hook is simple and > transparent. I put them in he airplane for a formation ride, and then > invite them to an RPA event. After that, there's no spitting the hook > out! So, let's find some folks reasonably near you in WI with whom you > can fly. Should you visit the Peoples Republic of San Francisco, > please call. ...Blitz Fox, CJ, 415-307-2405 > > ijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us writes: > > Yakkers, Cj'ers... > > I am currently not an owner of either...YET! But that is a > MAJOR GOAL of my near aviation-based future. Yet I feel > overwhelmingly compelled to say how positively ACTIVE and > INFORMATIVE this group is! Good grief! I mean...you guys RAISE > THE BAR beyond the reach of most! There are MANY other Type > Clubs of sorts out there that could learn a lot about support, > camaraderie, humility, tech tips, help, compassion, morale, > FRIENDLINESS and FUN from you all. I have learned MUCH just by > being privy to the many useful exchanges. From someone who's > word probably doesn't carry much weight...BRAVO! > > ...and THANKS! (For the speck of positivity in a > largely-negative world - and for the inspiration to continue > my personal quest!) > > Your fan, supporter and future wingman, > > Rico Jaeger > Wausau, WI. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:14 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review From: "Tim Gagnon" tjyak50 wrote: > We've gone around and around on this subject for years. > There is always a way to find a reason why each system isn't perfect. > > So nobody does anything. Build it and they will come. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7999#207999 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:09 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review From: "tjyak50" It has been available from Aircraft Spruce for years: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/flightechWarnDeviceII.php Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8000#208000 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:07 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp MD" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review Yeah, kind of like Carbon Monoxide scrubbers. doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tjyak50 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review We've gone around and around on this subject for years. There is always a way to find a reason why each system isn't perfect. So nobody does anything. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7922#207922 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:15 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" What is needed is a cheap and simple ground proximity warning system. I believe the time for that is coming. We're seeing more and more systems incorporated in cars that sense proximity. When these are small, reliable and cheap, putting them into an aircraft will be a no-brainer. Mark Bitterlich ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Gagnon Sent: Wed 10/8/2008 9:38 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review tjyak50 wrote: > We've gone around and around on this subject for years. > There is always a way to find a reason why each system isn't perfect. > > So nobody does anything. Build it and they will come. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7999#207999 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:08 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: FW: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Speaking of GPWS, Elmar sent me this reference which clearly should be if interest to us all. Couple this puppy dog to a throttle, flap (if you have flaps) and gear switch and you really have a viable and complete system that should have very little false alerts. Shoot... all by itself I like the idea of having it! Putting it together with gear up or down makes it even harder to resist. I think that anyone who purchases this piece of equipment ought to have their insurance rates reduced. Are you listening Tom? If you want to talk about INCENTIVE, then reducing insurance on your aircraft for the rest of the entire time you own it is something that will gain attention in a hurry. Any Insurance Agent call tell you (and of course he would be right) that preventing gear up accidents in our individual aircraft helps us all, there is nothing quite like lowering your insurance rates for being so helpful in the first place! If you think this is a shameless attempt to influence Tom .... you're absolutely correct. Mark Bitterlich N50YK ________________________________ From: Elmar Hegenauer [mailto:elmar.h@shaw.ca] Sent: Wed 10/8/2008 3:25 PM Subject: RE: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review Hi Mark, how are you doing? I had the same problem with my Nanchang several years ago and had a GPWS installed. It has a radar transducer and when I come close to the ground (between 150 and 100 ft.) with the gear up the Bitching Betty yells at me. Here comes the link to the manufacturer's website: http://www.flyingsafer.com/2037.htm Hope that helps a bit. cheers Elmar ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:14 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp MD" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review You referring to a WOW switch coupled to a radar altimeter? Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:55 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review What is needed is a cheap and simple ground proximity warning system. I believe the time for that is coming. We're seeing more and more systems incorporated in cars that sense proximity. When these are small, reliable and cheap, putting them into an aircraft will be a no-brainer. Mark Bitterlich ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Gagnon Sent: Wed 10/8/2008 9:38 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review tjyak50 wrote: > We've gone around and around on this subject for years. > There is always a way to find a reason why each system isn't perfect. > > So nobody does anything. Build it and they will come. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7999#207999 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:19 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: RED ALERT - Safety Review From: "tjyak50" Fine. Install it and I will get you a discount off your Hull insurance premium. W.O.W. switch won't work in a Yak. I got MY gear warning system installed, but mostly because I am not really all that good at flying.. 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