---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/20/08: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:52 AM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Mark Davis) 2. 07:06 AM - Re: Shell smoke oils (John Cox) 3. 07:08 AM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Barry Hancock) 4. 07:16 AM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Budd Davisson) 5. 07:41 AM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Mark Davis) 6. 09:09 AM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Herb Coussons) 7. 09:41 AM - Re: Shell smoke oils (cjpilot710@aol.com) 8. 11:42 AM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Dale) 9. 01:27 PM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Etienne) 10. 02:04 PM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Jerome van der Schaar) 11. 02:46 PM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Don Milbourn) 12. 02:53 PM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Etienne Verhellen) 13. 03:37 PM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 14. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 15. 04:05 PM - Re: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units (Frank Stelwagon) 16. 04:11 PM - Re: Shell smoke oils (doug sapp) 17. 05:31 PM - Re: Shell smoke oils (cjpilot710@aol.com) 18. 05:42 PM - Re: Shell smoke oils (cjpilot710@aol.com) 19. 05:42 PM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 20. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 21. 06:36 PM - Smoke Oil is concrete form oil (vectorwarbirds@aol.com) 22. 06:48 PM - Re: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil (Brian Tallmadge) 23. 07:17 PM - Re: Shell smoke oils (John Cox) 24. 07:20 PM - Re: Shell smoke oils (John Cox) 25. 07:41 PM - Re: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil (vectorwarbirds@aol.com) 26. 08:06 PM - Re: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil (Brian Tallmadge) 27. 08:29 PM - Re: looking for a cowl air intake mod (Forrest Johnson) 28. 08:33 PM - Re: Re: Charlotte area RPA Members? (Forrest Johnson) 29. 11:29 PM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Nigel Willson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:53 AM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils John, Is there any of the three Shell oils that works better than the others? Thanks, Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: John Cox To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:13 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Yes, and a great way to obtain some is to contact your local airshow at the conclusion of activities. They usually don't want to store it and make it available for a song. John Cox From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:15 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again. Shell Carnea #10 Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) Shell VITREA 13 Mark Davis N44YK http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt p://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 10/18/2008 6:01 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:51 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils From: "John Cox" My favorite was because the Blues often contractually demanded it. Corvus. We would have to secure supplies in 55 gal drums and at the end of a city tour, we would have an odd lot supply of 7 to 30 gallons surplus. No one wanted to store a partial 55 gallon drum in a hangar for six months. Flows easy and burns without the brown tint of some other refractions. They liked the billowy, white result. John From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils John, Is there any of the three Shell oils that works better than the others? Thanks, Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: John Cox To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:13 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Yes, and a great way to obtain some is to contact your local airshow at the conclusion of activities. They usually don't want to store it and make it available for a song. John Cox From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:15 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again. Shell Carnea #10 Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) Shell VITREA 13 Mark Davis N44YK http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .. com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ 10/18/2008 6:01 PM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:33 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Shell smoke oils From: "Barry Hancock" > Time: 08:16:11 PM PST US > From: "Mark Davis" > Subject: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils > > Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned > on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price > of oil down again. Mark, John at Smoking Airplanes is testing a new smoke oil that is mineral oil based. The early results have been good, according to him. He plans more testing in cold weather to make sure he gets adequate flow under those conditions and also wants to insure the injectors don't get fowled. He says it has good density and hang time due to the high parafin content. You can contact him directly at smokingairplanes.com -- Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils From: Budd Davisson Corvus is the smoke standard. Plus it is mostly non-toxic where others aren=B9t necessarily. bd On 10/20/08 7:06 AM, "John Cox" wrote: > My favorite was because the Blues often contractually demanded it. Corvu s. > We would have to secure supplies in 55 gal drums and at the end of a city > tour, we would have an odd lot supply of 7 to 30 gallons surplus. No one > wanted to store a partial 55 gallon drum in a hangar for six months. Flo ws > easy and burns without the brown tint of some other refractions. They li ked > the billowy, white result. > > John > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:52 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils > > > John, > > Is there any of the three Shell oils that works better than the othe rs? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark Davis > > N44YK >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: John Cox >> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> >> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:13 AM >> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils >> >> >> Yes, and a great way to obtain some is to contact your local airshow at the >> conclusion of activities. They usually don't want to store it and make it >> available for a song. >> >> John Cox >> >> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:15 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils >> >> >> Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned o n >> smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of o il >> down again. >> >> >> >> Shell Carnea #10 >> Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) >> >> Shell VITREA 13 >> >> >> >> Mark Davis >> >> N44YK >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics. com/N >> avigator?Yak-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> >> 10/18/2008 6:01 PM >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:00 AM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oilsMy son's college roommate and his father are Shell oil dealers. He told my son Saturday that he can get me a "deal" on oils. I haven't seen any prices yet, but was curious what experiences anyone had with the Shell products. Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: Budd Davisson To: Yak List Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Corvus is the smoke standard. Plus it is mostly non-toxic where others aren't necessarily. bd On 10/20/08 7:06 AM, "John Cox" wrote: My favorite was because the Blues often contractually demanded it. Corvus. We would have to secure supplies in 55 gal drums and at the end of a city tour, we would have an odd lot supply of 7 to 30 gallons surplus. No one wanted to store a partial 55 gallon drum in a hangar for six months. Flows easy and burns without the brown tint of some other refractions. They liked the billowy, white result. John From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:52 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils John, Is there any of the three Shell oils that works better than the others? Thanks, Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: John Cox To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:13 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Yes, and a great way to obtain some is to contact your local airshow at the conclusion of activities. They usually don't want to store it and make it available for a song. John Cox From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:15 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again. Shell Carnea #10 Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) Shell VITREA 13 Mark Davis N44YK http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 10/18/2008 6:01 PM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ail Forum - ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List ; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com ;- List Contribution Web Site - ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 10/18/2008 6:01 PM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:20 AM PST US From: Herb Coussons Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Agree - Corvus I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems in a smokongplanes system. I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air show got rained out. Herb On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Mark Davis wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils > mentioned on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again > with the price of oil down again. > > Shell Carnea #10 > Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) > Shell VITREA 13 > > Mark Davis > N44YK > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:26 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils In a message dated 10/20/2008 12:10:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drc@wscare.com writes: I've used 10 weight turbine oil. I was able to get it for free. How? At jet engine overhaul shops with test cells, after a test run, the oil that was used in the engine is drained and never used again. It is "filtered" in the normal course of things but the feds require it not to be used again. Companies normally pay someone to come and get rid of it. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Agree - Corvus I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems in a smokongplanes system. I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air show got rained out. Herb On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Mark Davis wrote: Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again. Shell Carnea #10 Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) Shell VITREA 13 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest. com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:05 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Shell smoke oils From: "Dale" The Conoco Industrial 70 is a clear as water 10 weight high paraffin oil that I think is the best I have used and the least costly from the dealers around me. Every time I smoke with it I get a lot of remarks about how much it hangs around. I think I Mark I have mentioned it to you. I have also used the concrete form oil that is around $10 a gallon and smells like berries when you pour it in with a slight rose cooler. It is easier to find at the supply houses than chasing down the Shell and Conoco dealers for me but I prefer the Industrial 70 because it's so clean burning. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9518#209518 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils From: "Etienne" We use Shell ONDINA 917, expensive but good. See pictures. Click on the links below ... And as you can see on some of the pics, sometimes some smoke gets inside !! http://www.airshowactionphotography.com/san07/page1.html http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/129005.html http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8502 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8503 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8504 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8505 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8506 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8507 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8508 Etc ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk8bHKoSpBo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2e8f7_1ohQ Cheers, http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/photos/profile.php?uid=84 Yak 52 G-CBSS. _________________________________________________________________________ ___ Sujet : Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Corvus is the smoke standard. Plus it is mostly non-toxic where others aren=B9t necessarily. bd On 10/20/08 7:06 AM, "John Cox" wrote: > My favorite was because the Blues often contractually demanded it. Cor vus. > We would have to secure supplies in 55 gal drums and at the end of a ci ty > tour, we would have an odd lot supply of 7 to 30 gallons surplus. No o ne > wanted to store a partial 55 gallon drum in a hangar for six months. F lows > easy and burns without the brown tint of some other refractions. They liked > the billowy, white result. > > John > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:52 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils > > > John, > > Is there any of the three Shell oils that works better than the ot hers? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark Davis > > N44YK >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: John Cox >> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> >> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:13 AM >> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils >> >> >> Yes, and a great way to obtain some is to contact your local airshow a t the >> conclusion of activities. They usually don't want to store it and mak e it >> available for a song. >> >> John Cox >> >> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:15 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils >> >> >> Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on >> smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil >> down again. >> >> >> >> Shell Carnea #10 >> Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) >> >> Shell VITREA 13 >> >> >> >> Mark Davis >> >> N44YK >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matron ics.com/N >> avigator?Yak-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.co m/c >> >> 10/18/2008 6:01 PM >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> >> --- D=E9j=E0 plus de 2000 de nos clients ne paient plus leur abonnement! Conseillez Scarlet et surfez gratuitement! >> http://www.scarlet.be/fr/mg m =0A --- D=E9j=E0 plus de 2000 de nos clients ne paient plus leur abonnement! Conseillez Scarlet et surfez gratuitement! >> http://www.scarlet.be/fr/mg m ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:08 PM PST US From: "Jerome van der Schaar" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils AVIATOR SMOKE !!!! http://www.yakkes.com/images/gallery/yakkes_01.jpg http://yakkes.com/support.shop.php Etienne, You've should have known better ! Ps. I've got some great blown up photo's here from you... -------Original Message------- From: Etienne Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils We use Shell ONDINA 917, expensive but good. See pictures. Click on the links below ... And as you can see on some of the pics, sometimes some smoke gets inside !! http://www.airshowactionphotography.com/san07/page1.html http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/129005.html http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8502 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8503 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8504 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8505 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8506 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8507 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8508 Etc ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk8bHKoSpBo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2e8f7_1ohQ Cheers, http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/photos/profile.php?uid=84 Yak 52 G-CBSS. _________________________________________________________________________ ___ Sujet : Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Corvus is the smoke standard. Plus it is mostly non-toxic where others aren=B9t necessarily. bd On 10/20/08 7:06 AM, "John Cox" wrote: > My favorite was because the Blues often contractually demanded it. Cor vus > We would have to secure supplies in 55 gal drums and at the end of a ci ty > tour, we would have an odd lot supply of 7 to 30 gallons surplus. No o ne > wanted to store a partial 55 gallon drum in a hangar for six months. Flows > easy and burns without the brown tint of some other refractions. They liked > the billowy, white result. > > John > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:52 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils > > > John, > > Is there any of the three Shell oils that works better than the others? > > > Thanks, > > Mark Davis > > N44YK >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: John Cox >> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> >> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:13 AM >> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils >> >> >> Yes, and a great way to obtain some is to contact your local airshow a t the >> conclusion of activities. They usually don't want to store it and mak e it >> available for a song. >> >> John Cox >> >> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:15 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils >> >> >> Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on >> smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil >> down again. >> >> >> >> Shell Carnea #10 >> Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) >> >> Shell VITREA 13 >> >> >> >> Mark Davis >> >> N44YK >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matron ics com/N >> avigator?Yak-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.co m/c >> >> 10/18/2008 6:01 PM >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> >> --- D=E9j=E0 plus de 2000 de nos clients ne paient plus leur abonnement! Conseillez Scarlet et surfez gratuitement! >> http://www.scarlet.be/fr/mg m --- D=E9j=E0 plus de 2000 de nos clients ne paient plus leur abonnement! Conseillez Scarlet et surfez gratuitement! >> http://www.scarlet.be/fr/mg m ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:54 PM PST US From: "Don Milbourn" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Has anyone tried used automatic transmission fluid? Is it good or bad? I have a auto repair shop with lots of used fluid. ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils In a message dated 10/20/2008 12:10:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drc@wscare.com writes: I've used 10 weight turbine oil. I was able to get it for free. How? At jet engine overhaul shops with test cells, after a test run, the oil that was used in the engine is drained and never used again. It is "filtered" in the normal course of things but the feds require it not to be used again. Companies normally pay someone to come and get rid of it. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Agree - Corvus I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems in a smokongplanes system. I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air show got rained out. Herb On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Mark Davis wrote: Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again. Shell Carnea #10 Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) Shell VITREA 13 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & mo/aol?redir=http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002">Try it out! ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils From: "Etienne Verhellen" OF COURSE, Jerome ... I forgot !! Engine and smoke oil from Yakkes !! http://www.yakkes.com/ Too much Vodka ... AVIATOR VODKA ! You bet !! http://www.aviatorwodka.com/ http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/129002L.html http://www.aviacioncr.net/foto.php?id=17925 Cheers, Etienne. http://www.yakkes.com/about.crew.show.php?crewmember=etienne http://www.flyforfun.be/?q=yaks http://airpic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2347 PS : Jerome if you have other nice photos you know we always love to see them ;-)) _________________________________________________________________________ _____ Sujet : Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils AVIATOR SMOKE !!!! http://www.yakkes.com/images/gallery/yakkes_01.jpg http://yakkes.com/support.shop.php Etienne, You've should have known better ! Ps. I've got some great blown up photo's here from you... -------Original Message------- From: Etienne Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils We use Shell ONDINA 917, expensive but good. See pictures. Click on the links below ... And as you can see on some of the pics, sometimes some smoke gets inside !! http://www.airshowactionphotography.com/san07/page1.html http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/129005.html http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8502 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8503 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8504 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8505 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8506 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8507 http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=8508 Etc ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk8bHKoSpBo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2e8f7_1ohQ Cheers, http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/photos/profile.php?uid=84 Yak 52 G-CBSS. _________________________________________________________________________ ___ Sujet : Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Corvus is the smoke standard. Plus it is mostly non-toxic where others aren=B9t necessarily. bd On 10/20/08 7:06 AM, "John Cox" wrote: > My favorite was because the Blues often contractually demanded it. Cor vus > We would have to secure supplies in 55 gal drums and at the end of a ci ty > tour, we would have an odd lot supply of 7 to 30 gallons surplus. No o ne > wanted to store a partial 55 gallon drum in a hangar for six months. Flows > easy and burns without the brown tint of some other refractions. They liked > the billowy, white result. > > John > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:52 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils > > > John, > > Is there any of the three Shell oils that works better than the others? > > > Thanks, > > Mark Davis > > N44YK >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: John Cox >> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> >> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:13 AM >> >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils >> >> >> Yes, and a great way to obtain some is to contact your local airshow a t the >> conclusion of activities. 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Conseillez Scarlet et surfez gratuitement! >> http://www.scarlet.be/fr/mg m ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:07 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" I can get this stuff by the case Pappy... Usually because of a "use by" date that has expired. Does it really work that well for smoke? I always thought it was synthetic and would not burn all that well. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils In a message dated 10/20/2008 12:10:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drc@wscare.com writes: I've used 10 weight turbine oil. I was able to get it for free. How? At jet engine overhaul shops with test cells, after a test run, the oil that was used in the engine is drained and never used again. It is "filtered" in the normal course of things but the feds require it not to be used again. Companies normally pay someone to come and get rid of it. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Agree - Corvus I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems in a smokongplanes system. I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air show got rained out. Herb On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Mark Davis wrote: Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again. Shell Carnea #10 Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) Shell VITREA 13 ________________________________ New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & mo/aol?redir=http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002">Try it out! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:10 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Frank, I have not delved into the Russian thermocouple designs at all. Do you know whether they are using the any of the standard wiring for their designs, such as: KX - Chromel/Alumel TX - Copper/Constantan JX - Iron/Constantan SX - Copper/Alloy II EX - Chromel/Constantan BX - PCLW 630/Copper NX - Nicrosil/Nisil ????????????????????? Thanks, Mark Bitterlich N50YK -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Stelwagon Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units --> The thermocouple sender uses the junction of two dissimilar metals to generate a voltage based on temperature, the voltage is quite small usually in the milivolt range. The resistance style sensor varies the resistance based on temperature. The gauge system usually supplies a constant voltage to the resistor and as the resistance changes the current flow in the system changes. Frank N23021 ----- Original Message ----- From: "keithmckinley" Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units > > > Thanks for the reply Frank. I did notice that MGL makes an insert probe > which can be placed inside of a hollowed out CJ temp probe. As for the oil > pressure sender, I'd lack the motivation to re-do the fittings, lines and > /or hoses to support the standard thread on an auto/cessna sender. > > Out of curiosity, how does the thermocouple sender work as opposed to the > resistance style sensor. > > Keith > 700HS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9409#209409 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:20 PM PST US From: "Frank Stelwagon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units No Mark I don't know what they use and I have never seen it written up any where. Maybe Doug knows. Frankl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units > MALS-14 64E" > > Frank, I have not delved into the Russian thermocouple designs at all. > Do you know whether they are using the any of the standard wiring for > their designs, such as: > > KX - Chromel/Alumel > TX - Copper/Constantan > JX - Iron/Constantan > SX - Copper/Alloy II > EX - Chromel/Constantan > BX - PCLW 630/Copper > NX - Nicrosil/Nisil > > ????????????????????? > > Thanks, > > Mark Bitterlich > N50YK > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank > Stelwagon > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:40 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units > > --> > > The thermocouple sender uses the junction of two dissimilar metals to > generate a voltage based on temperature, the voltage is quite small > usually in the milivolt range. The resistance style sensor varies the > resistance based on temperature. The gauge system usually supplies a > constant voltage to the resistor and as the resistance changes the > current flow in the system changes. > > Frank > N23021 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keithmckinley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:09 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units > > >> >> >> Thanks for the reply Frank. I did notice that MGL makes an insert > probe >> which can be placed inside of a hollowed out CJ temp probe. As for the > oil >> pressure sender, I'd lack the motivation to re-do the fittings, lines > and >> /or hoses to support the standard thread on an auto/cessna sender. >> >> Out of curiosity, how does the thermocouple sender work as opposed to > the >> resistance style sensor. >> >> Keith >> 700HS >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9409#209409 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:07 PM PST US From: "doug sapp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Hey guys, what you burn you breath. I tried tranny oil, but after puking up my guts and having a headache for two days, I surmised it just might not be a good thing to use even if it was free. I made a decision that if I was going to kill brain cells, I'd do it the old fashioned way....with a good well aged dbl malt scotch. Doug On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > MALS-14 64E" > > I can get this stuff by the case Pappy... Usually because of a "use by" > date that has expired. Does it really work that well for smoke? I > always thought it was synthetic and would not burn all that well. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > cjpilot710@aol.com > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:41 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils > > In a message dated 10/20/2008 12:10:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > drc@wscare.com writes: > > I've used 10 weight turbine oil. I was able to get it for free. How? > At jet engine overhaul shops with test cells, after a test run, the oil > that was used in the engine is drained and never used again. It is > "filtered" in the normal course of things but the feds require it not to > be used again. Companies normally pay someone to come and get rid of > it. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > > Agree - Corvus > > I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems in a > smokongplanes system. > I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air show got > rained out. > > Herb > > > On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Mark Davis wrote: > > > Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke > oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again > with the price of oil down again. > > Shell Carnea #10 > Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) > Shell VITREA 13 > > > ________________________________ > > New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, > Movies, Events, News & > mo/aol?redir=http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002">Try it > out! > > -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:57 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils In a message dated 10/20/2008 5:47:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, valleyauto@clearwire.net writes: I tried it once. No good. Jim "Pappy" Gooldby Has anyone tried used automatic transmission fluid? Is it good or bad? I have a auto repair shop with lots of used fluid. ----- Original Message ----- From: _cjpilot710@aol.com_ (mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com) Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils In a message dated 10/20/2008 12:10:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _drc@wscare.com_ (mailto:drc@wscare.com) writes: I've used 10 weight turbine oil. I was able to get it for free. How? At jet engine overhaul shops with test cells, after a test run, the oil that was used in the engine is drained and never used again. It is "filtered" in the normal course of things but the feds require it not to be used again. Companies normally pay someone to come and get rid of it. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Agree - Corvus I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems in a smokongplanes system. I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air show got rained out. Herb On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Mark Davis wrote: Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again. Shell Carnea #10 Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) Shell VITREA 13 ____________________________________ New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & mo/aol?redir=http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002">Try it out! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:20 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils In a message dated 10/20/2008 6:37:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes: It is not the best stuff in the world. Smoke a little on thin side. There will be some residue on the airplane after you use it. Great to practice with. BUT it was cheap! Pappy --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" I can get this stuff by the case Pappy... Usually because of a "use by" date that has expired. Does it really work that well for smoke? I always thought it was synthetic and would not burn all that well. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils In a message dated 10/20/2008 12:10:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drc@wscare.com writes: I've used 10 weight turbine oil. I was able to get it for free. How? At jet engine overhaul shops with test cells, after a test run, the oil that was used in the engine is drained and never used again. It is "filtered" in the normal course of things but the feds require it not to be used again. Companies normally pay someone to come and get rid of it. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Agree - Corvus I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems in a smokongplanes system. I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air show got rained out. Herb On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Mark Davis wrote: Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again. Shell Carnea #10 Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) Shell VITREA 13 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:37 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" So you're telling me you get good smoke burning Double Malt Scotch even if it does make you have a headache after puking your guts out? You da man. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Hey guys, what you burn you breath. I tried tranny oil, but after puking up my guts and having a headache for two days, I surmised it just might not be a good thing to use even if it was free. I made a decision that if I was going to kill brain cells, I'd do it the old fashioned way....with a good well aged dbl malt scotch. Doug On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" I can get this stuff by the case Pappy... Usually because of a "use by" date that has expired. Does it really work that well for smoke? I always thought it was synthetic and would not burn all that well. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:41 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils In a message dated 10/20/2008 12:10:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drc@wscare.com writes: I've used 10 weight turbine oil. I was able to get it for free. How? At jet engine overhaul shops with test cells, after a test run, the oil that was used in the engine is drained and never used again. It is "filtered" in the normal course of things but the feds require it not to be used again. Companies normally pay someone to come and get rid of it. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Agree - Corvus I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems in a smokongplanes system. I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air show got rained out. Herb On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Mark Davis wrote: Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com ? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again. Shell Carnea #10 Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) Shell VITREA 13 ________________________________ New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & mo/aol?redir=http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002">Try it out! -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:12 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" My guess would be KX - Chromel/Alumel since that was pretty much the standard back in the day, and most everything else I have seen in the YAK/CJ designs was pretty much standard U.S. way of doing things back in the late 50's to the mid 60's or so. Would be nice to know, but.... Oh well. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Stelwagon Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units --> No Mark I don't know what they use and I have never seen it written up any where. Maybe Doug knows. Frankl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units Point, > MALS-14 64E" > > Frank, I have not delved into the Russian thermocouple designs at all. > Do you know whether they are using the any of the standard wiring for > their designs, such as: > > KX - Chromel/Alumel > TX - Copper/Constantan > JX - Iron/Constantan > SX - Copper/Alloy II > EX - Chromel/Constantan > BX - PCLW 630/Copper > NX - Nicrosil/Nisil > > ????????????????????? > > Thanks, > > Mark Bitterlich > N50YK > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank > Stelwagon > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:40 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units > > --> > > The thermocouple sender uses the junction of two dissimilar metals to > generate a voltage based on temperature, the voltage is quite small > usually in the milivolt range. The resistance style sensor varies the > resistance based on temperature. The gauge system usually supplies a > constant voltage to the resistor and as the resistance changes the > current flow in the system changes. > > Frank > N23021 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keithmckinley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 5:09 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak/CJ temp probes and pressure sending units > > >> >> >> Thanks for the reply Frank. I did notice that MGL makes an insert > probe >> which can be placed inside of a hollowed out CJ temp probe. As for the > oil >> pressure sender, I'd lack the motivation to re-do the fittings, lines > and >> /or hoses to support the standard thread on an auto/cessna sender. >> >> Out of curiosity, how does the thermocouple sender work as opposed to > the >> resistance style sensor. >> >> Keith >> 700HS >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9409#209409 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:54 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com Canopus 13 from Texaco is concrete form oil.? The stuff they spray on concrete form boards so the concrete don't stick.? We have been using it for ten years, buying it by the drum at the local masonry supply.? Cheap too.? Just don't drink it! ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:27 PM PST US From: Brian Tallmadge Subject: Re: Yak-List: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil What local business is that? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 20, 2008, at 6:29 PM, vectorwarbirds@aol.com wrote: > Canopus 13 from Texaco is concrete form oil. The stuff they spray > on concrete form boards so the concrete don't stick. We have been > using it for ten years, buying it by the drum at the local masonry > supply. Cheap too. Just don't drink it! > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:19 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils From: "John Cox" MSDS sheets are available on all of these alternatives including Pappy's Mobil One synthetic 10W that is recycled. Know the handling and toxicity of any product that you use. If you need one, an MSDS sheet, let me know. Etienne provided some great (Fabulous) smoke shots which many of you can relate to the ingestion of the oil you are burning. Then again Pappy has probably plumbed that Chinese leather mask with an independent supply of O2 or nitrous oxide blended gas. Vegetable, Mineral or Synthetic they all get the job done with differing toxicity to the pilot. John Cox. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Budd Davisson Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:15 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Corvus is the smoke standard. Plus it is mostly non-toxic where others aren't necessarily. bd On 10/20/08 7:06 AM, "John Cox" wrote: My favorite was because the Blues often contractually demanded it. Corvus. We would have to secure supplies in 55 gal drums and at the end of a city tour, we would have an odd lot supply of 7 to 30 gallons surplus. No one wanted to store a partial 55 gallon drum in a hangar for six months. Flows easy and burns without the brown tint of some other refractions. They liked the billowy, white result. John From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils John, Is there any of the three Shell oils that works better than the others? Thanks, Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: John Cox Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:13 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Yes, and a great way to obtain some is to contact your local airshow at the conclusion of activities. They usually don't want to store it and make it available for a song. John Cox From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again. Shell Carnea #10 Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) Shell VITREA 13 Mark Davis N44YK http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .. com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ 10/18/2008 6:01 PM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ail Forum - ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List ; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com ;- List Contribution Web Site - ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:40 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils From: "John Cox" I rest my case. John Cox Other alternatives work as well. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Agree - Corvus I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems in a smokongplanes system. I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air show got rained out. Herb On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Mark Davis wrote: Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again. Shell Carnea #10 Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) Shell VITREA 13 Mark Davis N44YK http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c o ntribution ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com Check out this site for secret smoke oil formulas!!? And as I said don't drink it!! http://www.tmenet.com/brews.htm -----Original Message----- From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 6:29 pm Subject: Yak-List: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil Canopus 13 from Texaco is concrete form oil.? The stuff they spray on concrete form boards so the concrete don't stick.? We have been using it for ten years, buying it by the drum at the local masonry supply.? Cheap too.? Just don't drink it! ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:33 PM PST US From: "Brian Tallmadge" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil Do you have the address for the mason supply that you were talking about. I can't find anyone after Bennett burned down. Dri Smoke in the Chicago area has the cleanest fly backwards smoke I have used. BT From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vectorwarbirds@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil Check out this site for secret smoke oil formulas!! And as I said don't drink it!! http://www.tmenet.com/brews.htm -----Original Message----- From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 6:29 pm Subject: Yak-List: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil Canopus 13 from Texaco is concrete form oil. The stuff they spray on concrete form boards so the concrete don't stick. We have been using it for ten years, buying it by the drum at the local masonry supply. Cheap too. Just don't drink it! ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:30 PM PST US From: "Forrest Johnson" Subject: Re: Yak-List: looking for a cowl air intake mod What is the difference? I have a CJ and did not know there is a different cowling. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elmar Hegenauer" Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 6:59 PM Subject: Yak-List: looking for a cowl air intake mod > > I still have the old CJ-6 cowling > without the CJ-6A ram air modification. > > Is there a modification kit and if yes, > who sells it. > > Thanks. > > cheers > > Elmar > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:13 PM PST US From: "Forrest Johnson" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Charlotte area RPA Members? Craig, are you looking for a CJ6, i have a great plane for sale. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Winkelmann" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:24 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Charlotte area RPA Members? > > Dave: > > There are some great guys in Charlotte who are members. They fly Pilatus > P-3s and Focke-Wulfs. They came to the Tar Heel FAST clinic we held at > Sandord, NC in June. I live in Raleigh and will have a CJ by Waycross and > there are a few Yak-52 guys in the Raleigh area as well. > > Contact me off list and I can help put you in touch with the Charlotte > based guys. > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9269#209269 > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:07 PM PST US From: "Nigel Willson" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils Here in the UK most display yaks run with one of two: Marcol or Ondina Shell Ondina is in my tank. It's the base oil used in pharmacy (a bit like "baby oil"). Thin, clear, (good for your skin apparently!), environmentally friendly, odourless, and edible. Meaning it's cockpit breathable with no nasty side effects.. Also produces thick WHITE (not the faintest hint of a brown) smoke. Nigel http://yakdisplay.com From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: 21 October 2008 01:30 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils In a message dated 10/20/2008 5:47:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, valleyauto@clearwire.net writes: I tried it once. No good. Jim "Pappy" Gooldby Has anyone tried used automatic transmission fluid? Is it good or bad? I have a auto repair shop with lots of used fluid. ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils In a message dated 10/20/2008 12:10:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drc@wscare.com writes: I've used 10 weight turbine oil. I was able to get it for free. How? At jet engine overhaul shops with test cells, after a test run, the oil that was used in the engine is drained and never used again. It is "filtered" in the normal course of things but the feds require it not to be used again. Companies normally pay someone to come and get rid of it. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Agree - Corvus I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems in a smokongplanes system. I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air show got rained out. Herb On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Mark Davis wrote: Does anyone have any experience with any of these smoke oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com? May be time to stock up again with the price of oil down again. Shell Carnea #10 Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight) Shell VITREA 13 _____ New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. 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