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1. 05:37 AM - Re: Shell smoke oils (cjpilot710@aol.com)
2. 06:16 AM - Re: Shell smoke oils (pilko2)
3. 09:21 AM - Socket for intake drain plugs (Yak 55M)
4. 10:41 AM - Re: Socket for intake drain plugs (Roger Kemp MD)
5. 12:14 PM - Re: Shell smoke oils (Roger Kemp MD)
6. 02:20 PM - Re: Socket for intake drain plugs (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
7. 02:42 PM - Re: Socket for intake drain plugs (LawnDart)
8. 05:33 PM - fuel guage Yak 55M (Frederick van Rooyen)
9. 06:23 PM - Re: Concrete Form Oil in Prescott (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
10. 06:59 PM - Re: fuel guage Yak 55M (mikspin)
11. 07:01 PM - Re: Concrete Form Oil in Prescott (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
12. 08:37 PM - Re: Re: Socket for intake drain plugs (Yak 55M)
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| Subject: | Re: Shell smoke oils |
In a message dated 10/20/2008 10:17:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
johnwcox@pacificnw.com writes:
Actually I have breathed a blend of O2 and nitrous oxide. I recommend it
big time! Particularly if you starting to pass a kidney stone at the Gatwidk
airport immigration booth. A couple whiffs of that stuff and the world is
just plain beautiful. The ambulance ride to Surrey Sussex hospital was like an
carnival ride with me enjoying every minute. NO PAIN.
John that's a great idea about having it in my CJ. I think I could use a
hose I seen sold at ACE. Doc, where can I get that stuff?? ;-}
Pappy
MSDS sheets are available on all of these alternatives including Pappy's
Mobil One synthetic 10W that is recycled. Know the handling and toxicity of any
product that you use. If you need one, an MSDS sheet, let me know.
Etienne provided some great (Fabulous) smoke shots which many of you can
relate to the ingestion of the oil you are burning. Then again Pappy has
probably plumbed that Chinese leather mask with an independent supply of O2 or
nitrous oxide blended gas.
Vegetable, Mineral or Synthetic they all get the job done with differing
toxicity to the pilot.
John Cox.
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| Subject: | Shell smoke oils |
Try the nearest Maternity Unit ...., I had a really easy time of Labour
whilst my wife was pushing !
kp
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: 21 October 2008 13:37
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils
In a message dated 10/20/2008 10:17:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
johnwcox@pacificnw.com writes:
Actually I have breathed a blend of O2 and nitrous oxide. I recommend it
big time! Particularly if you starting to pass a kidney stone at the
Gatwidk airport immigration booth. A couple whiffs of that stuff and the
world is just plain beautiful. The ambulance ride to Surrey Sussex hospital
was like an carnival ride with me enjoying every minute. NO PAIN.
John that's a great idea about having it in my CJ. I think I could use a
hose I seen sold at ACE. Doc, where can I get that stuff?? ;-}
Pappy
MSDS sheets are available on all of these alternatives including Pappy's
Mobil One synthetic 10W that is recycled. Know the handling and toxicity of
any product that you use. If you need one, an MSDS sheet, let me know.
Etienne provided some great (Fabulous) smoke shots which many of you can
relate to the ingestion of the oil you are burning. Then again Pappy has
probably plumbed that Chinese leather mask with an independent supply of O2
or nitrous oxide blended gas.
Vegetable, Mineral or Synthetic they all get the job done with differing
toxicity to the pilot.
John Cox.
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| Subject: | Socket for intake drain plugs |
Hi,
sorry if I get the terminology wrong for this (new to the engine details).
I wanted to know if there is a recommended socket size I can use to remove
the 3 intake drains if/when I experience hydraulic lock (vs. removing the
plugs from the bottom 3 cylinders) ? Unfortunately I do not have any of the
original Yak tools.
Thanks,
Anthony.
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| Subject: | Socket for intake drain plugs |
Anthony,
An adjustable works fine. Better yet contact Jim Kimball at
http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/site.html . Ask them for their drain
kit. Pull your drain plugs, drill them out and tap them for the thread size
(sorry do not remember the size because Dennis did my modification for me)
then install the kit. It will not prevent hydraulic lock but it will
certainly minimize the risk if you open the drain each time after flying.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak 55M
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Socket for intake drain plugs
Hi,
sorry if I get the terminology wrong for this (new to the engine details).
I wanted to know if there is a recommended socket size I can use to remove
the 3 intake drains if/when I experience hydraulic lock (vs. removing the
plugs from the bottom 3 cylinders) ? Unfortunately I do not have any of the
original Yak tools.
Thanks,
Anthony.
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| Subject: | Shell smoke oils |
Double malt mate?
Could have been the CO causing the HA and puking your guts up too.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:41 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
So you're telling me you get good smoke burning Double Malt Scotch even
if it does make you have a headache after puking your guts out?
You da man.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils
Hey guys, what you burn you breath. I tried tranny oil, but after
puking up my guts and having a headache for two days, I surmised it just
might not be a good thing to use even if it was free. I made a decision
that if I was going to kill brain cells, I'd do it the old fashioned
way....with a good well aged dbl malt scotch.
Doug
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
I can get this stuff by the case Pappy... Usually because of a
"use by"
date that has expired. Does it really work that well for smoke?
I
always thought it was synthetic and would not burn all that
well.
Mark
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:41 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shell smoke oils
In a message dated 10/20/2008 12:10:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight
Time,
drc@wscare.com writes:
I've used 10 weight turbine oil. I was able to get it for free.
How?
At jet engine overhaul shops with test cells, after a test run,
the oil
that was used in the engine is drained and never used again. It
is
"filtered" in the normal course of things but the feds require
it not to
be used again. Companies normally pay someone to come and get
rid of
it.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Agree - Corvus
I have used a whole barrel of Vitrea 13 without problems
in a
smokongplanes system.
I just picked up a barrel for cheap after a local air
show got
rained out.
Herb
On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Mark Davis wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with any of these
smoke
oils mentioned on smokingairplanes.com
<http://smokingairplanes.com/> ? May be time to stock up again
with the price of oil down again.
Shell Carnea #10
Shell Carnea E-? (10 weight)
Shell VITREA 13
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| Subject: | Socket for intake drain plugs |
Anthony, just in case you were not aware of this, oil in the intakes and
oil in the cylinders can sometimes be two different issues to start off
with anyway.
1. Any oil that gets into the intake can of course end up being sucked
into the cylinder itself and if there is enough of it... You can get a
hydraulic lock and everything that happens after that. Having an intake
drain kit, or... Pulling the intake drain plugs will help prevent that.
BUT !!!!
2. Oil can get into the cylinders via other means, so there is no
"VERSUS" when it comes to spark plugs "versus" intake drain plugs. What
I mean by this is:
A. Having an intake drain kit or pulling the intake drain plugs will
not prevent oil from getting into the cylinder by other means.
B. Once the oil gets into the cylinder enough to cause a lock, there
are only two ways to remove it. The best being.. You have to yank out
the sparkplug(s), or ... The more dangerous method... Spin the engine
over backwards which will normally send the oil from the cylinders out
into the intake tubes. Now if your intake drain plugs are already
removed when you do that, you'll PROBABLY be ok, as all that oil will
come out from those intake drain plug holes. However, if you just have
an intake drain KIT, it is possible that the smaller holes from that kit
will not allow all the oil to come out, and then when you start the
engine, you can end up sucking all that oil right back into the cylinder
again ... ruining your engine.
Bottom line, the safest method is to yank the spark plugs if you feel
any kind of abnormal resistance when pulling the prop through before
flight.
There are alternatives. There is a ball check valve in the oil pump
assy that is what allows all that oil to get in there anyway. It is
possible to fix this and then reduce the oil that gets into the engine
just sitting there. This is not really a total cure from my experience.
Another method is to install a manual valve that totally shuts off oil
from the oil reservoir tank to the engine. This method is SUPER, with
the exception that if you somehow forget to turn it on before you start
the engine, you will RUIN the engine. Various interlocks are available
to prevent this error, but nothing is perfect and this method still
scares a lot of people. Me included.
Yet another method is to install an electric pump that pumps out the
engine sump after flight. As the engine then sits there, the sump has
to fill first before it starts getting into the cylinders. If you come
by every week or so and run the sump pump, you pretty much keep ahead of
the problem. This seems to work extremely well too from what I have
seen.
The money is no object solution is to actually totally top the whole
engine and put in new cylinders and pistons. The new pistons use
gapless rings which help prevent this problem too, and with the
increased compression ratio from this kit, you can expect about another
30-40 HP or so from the engine. About 15 grand for this conversion last
I heard.
So you see, it is a problem with many approaches and solutions.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Socket for intake drain plugs
Anthony,
An adjustable works fine. Better yet contact Jim Kimball at
http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/site.html . Ask them for their
drain kit. Pull your drain plugs, drill them out and tap them for the
thread size (sorry do not remember the size because Dennis did my
modification for me) then install the kit. It will not prevent hydraulic
lock but it will certainly minimize the risk if you open the drain each
time after flying.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak 55M
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Socket for intake drain plugs
Hi,
sorry if I get the terminology wrong for this (new to the engine
details). I wanted to know if there is a recommended socket size I can
use to remove the 3 intake drains if/when I experience hydraulic lock
(vs. removing the plugs from the bottom 3 cylinders) ? Unfortunately I
do not have any of the original Yak tools.
Thanks,
Anthony.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Socket for intake drain plugs |
36mm
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9739#209739
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| Subject: | fuel guage Yak 55M |
I need a fuel-guage (right wing) for my Yak 55M. Anybody know where I can
find one?
Frikkie van Rooyen
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| Subject: | Re: Concrete Form Oil in Prescott |
Yavapai Block Company is where my masonry contractor got us our last 55 gal
drum.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Tallmadge <brianaerobatics@cableone.net>
Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 8:06 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil
Do you have the address for the mason supply that you were
talking about. I can=99t find anyone after Bennett burned down. Dri Sm
oke
in the Chicago area has the cleanest fly backwards smoke I have used. =C2
-=C2-BT
=C2-
From:
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vectorwarbirds@aol
.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil
=C2-
Check out
this site for secret smoke oil formulas!!=C2- And as I said don't drink it
!!
http://www.tmenet.com/brews.htm
=C2-
=C2-
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From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 6:29 pm
Subject: Yak-List: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil
Canopus 13
from Texaco is concrete form oil.=C2- The stuff they spray on concrete for
m
boards so the concrete don't stick.=C2- We have been using it for ten year
s,
buying it by the drum at the local masonry supply.=C2- Cheap too.=C2- Ju
st
don't drink it!
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| Subject: | Re: fuel guage Yak 55M |
Hi Frederick,
Is the float material, the plastic lens, or the entire gauge.
Let me know,
Mike Hastings
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| Subject: | Re: Concrete Form Oil in Prescott |
Yavapai Block Company is where my masonry contractor got us our last 55 gal
drum.
-----Original Message-----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 6:22 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Concrete Form Oil in Prescott
Yavapai Block Company is where my masonry contractor got us our last 55 gal
drum.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Tallmadge <brianaerobatics@cableone.net>
Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 8:06 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil
Do you have the address for the mason supply that you were
talking about. I can=99t find anyone after Bennett burned down. Dri Sm
oke
in the Chicago area has the cleanest fly backwards smoke I have used. =C2
-=C2-BT
=C2-
From:
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vectorwarbirds@aol
.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil
=C2-
Check out
this site for secret smoke oil formulas!!=C2- And as I said don't drink it
!!
http://www.tmenet.com/brews.htm
=C2-
=C2-
-----Original Message-----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: M
on, 20 Oct 2008 6:29 pm
Subject: Yak-List: Smoke Oil is concrete form oil
Canopus 13
from Texaco is concrete form oil.=C2- The stuff they spray on concrete for
m
boards so the concrete don't stick.=C2- We have been using it for ten year
s,
buying it by the drum at the local masonry supply.=C2- Cheap=2
0too.=C2- Just
don't drink it!
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| Subject: | Re: Socket for intake drain plugs |
Exactly what I needed to know - thanks so much.
Regards,
Anthony.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, LawnDart <propwash@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 36mm
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