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Sun 10/26/08


Total Messages Posted: 20



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     1. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: M14P Missing Oil & Hydraulic Lock (Roger Kemp MD)
     2. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Roger Kemp MD)
     3. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Bill Geipel)
     4. 09:07 AM - Re: Missing man formation (Bill Geipel)
     5. 09:45 AM - Air Leak (Steve Dalton)
     6. 09:47 AM - Re: Air Leak (A. Dennis Savarese)
     7. 10:12 AM - Re: Air Leak (Robert Langford)
     8. 10:21 AM - Re: Air Leak (A. Dennis Savarese)
     9. 11:02 AM - Re: Air Leak (Robert Langford)
    10. 11:02 AM - Re: Air Leak (Walter Lannon)
    11. 11:10 AM - Re: Air Leak (doug sapp)
    12. 11:46 AM - Re: Air Leak (doug sapp)
    13. 11:56 AM - Re: Missing man formation (Tim Gagnon)
    14. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Bill Geipel)
    15. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Roger Kemp MD)
    16. 08:34 PM - 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long (Tim Gagnon)
    17. 09:01 PM - New to forum (Bill1200)
    18. 09:13 PM - Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long (Chris Wise)
    19. 09:26 PM - Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long (Tim Gagnon)
    20. 10:22 PM - Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:00:21 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: M14P Missing Oil & Hydraulic Lock
    4) If you have an insurance policy from www.airpowerinsurance.com it may help also..., heck its worth checking at least. Tj Have you no shame Tj? :>O) Doc


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    Time: 06:00:54 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Missing man formation
    And an aviator? Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:35 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation Was the guy a veteran? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210299#210299


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    Time: 09:06:28 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Geipel" <czech6@mesanetworks.net>
    Subject: Re: Missing man formation
    Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were just being curious as opposed to callus. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation Was the guy a veteran? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210299#210299


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    Time: 09:07:03 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Geipel" <czech6@mesanetworks.net>
    Subject: Missing man formation
    If I was in Georgia, I would proudly show my respect to your friend. _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jblake207@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Yak-List: Missing man formation Mark Fitzgerald, recent RPA member is looking for some immediate assistance. He needs at least four airplanes to conduct a Missing man formation in the Marietta, GA area. The airfield is Stockmar airport (20GA) near Dobbins, AFB. A distinguished business man from the Atlanta metro area, Earl Small, passed away and Marc is trying to arrange the formation for the family. They expect well over a thousand people at the funeral. Mark needs this to happen tomorrow, Sunday 26 Oct. They will cover expenses, so if you can help, contact Marc at 678-557-7193 or ifly4yall@aol.com. JB


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    Time: 09:45:25 AM PST US
    From: Steve Dalton <flatspins@gmail.com>
    Subject: Air Leak
    Folks, Once again I am looking for your expertise. My air system charges up nicely to 5.5 on the gauge while flying. Then when I shut down I can hear it leaking out the two small vent holes in the pop-off valve body. Soapy water confirms this leak as it sits. Within two days the system will completely leak out. I have thoroughly cleaned the inside of the pop-off valve to a nice shine and tried two new pistons. It still leaks. Could this be caused by a weakened spring? Your thoughts are greatly appreciated. -Steve Dalton


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    Time: 09:47:52 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Air Leak
    Absolutely. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Dalton To: Yak-List Digest Server Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Yak-List: Air Leak Folks, Once again I am looking for your expertise. My air system charges up nicely to 5.5 on the gauge while flying. Then when I shut down I can hear it leaking out the two small vent holes in the pop-off valve body. Soapy water confirms this leak as it sits. Within two days the system will completely leak out. I have thoroughly cleaned the inside of the pop-off valve to a nice shine and tried two new pistons. It still leaks. Could this be caused by a weakened spring? Your thoughts are greatly appreciated. -Steve Dalton


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    Time: 10:12:39 AM PST US
    From: "Robert Langford" <randmyak52@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Air Leak
    Steve: I have had some of the same problems with various YAKS. I have found that after time the rubber seal molded into the brass plunger recedes to the point that the metal surface of the plunger makes contacts with the seat, this prevents proper seating. I have not had much luck with just replacing the rubber, doesn't last very long. I have however on several occasions used this method. I recently ordered the spring and plunger new from Jill. this worked perfectly, however it cost something over $100.00. I use a scuba bottle at the fill port to adjust the valve. Just hook up the bottle, get the pressure you want, and tighten the valve until it stops discharging. This method avoids a lot of readjusting while looking for the proper setting. Ideal is this, it pops of at Approx. 5.5 while in flight, and bleeds back to 5.0 after shutdown. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Dalton" <flatspins@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Yak-List: Air Leak > > Folks, > > Once again I am looking for your expertise. > > My air system charges up nicely to 5.5 on the gauge while flying. Then > when I shut down I can hear it leaking out the two small vent holes in > the pop-off valve body. Soapy water confirms this leak as it sits. > Within two days the system will completely leak out. > > I have thoroughly cleaned the inside of the pop-off valve to a nice shine > and tried two new pistons. It still leaks. > > Could this be caused by a weakened spring? Your thoughts are greatly > appreciated. > > -Steve Dalton > > > -- > Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM > >


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    Time: 10:21:46 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Air Leak
    Robert, I believe Steve said he tried two new pistons. The new pistons that I have purchased come with the rubber seals molded in. Assuming the new pistons Steve purchased did come with the seals molded in, the only thing left to replace is the spring. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Langford To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak <randmyak52@bellsouth.net> Steve: I have had some of the same problems with various YAKS. I have found that after time the rubber seal molded into the brass plunger recedes to the point that the metal surface of the plunger makes contacts with the seat, this prevents proper seating. I have not had much luck with just replacing the rubber, doesn't last very long. I have however on several occasions used this method. I recently ordered the spring and plunger new from Jill. this worked perfectly, however it cost something over $100.00. I use a scuba bottle at the fill port to adjust the valve. Just hook up the bottle, get the pressure you want, and tighten the valve until it stops discharging. This method avoids a lot of readjusting while looking for the proper setting. Ideal is this, it pops of at Approx. 5.5 while in flight, and bleeds back to 5.0 after shutdown. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Dalton" <flatspins@gmail.com> To: "Yak-List Digest Server" <yak-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Yak-List: Air Leak > > Folks, > > Once again I am looking for your expertise. > > My air system charges up nicely to 5.5 on the gauge while flying. Then > when I shut down I can hear it leaking out the two small vent holes in > the pop-off valve body. Soapy water confirms this leak as it sits. > Within two days the system will completely leak out. > > I have thoroughly cleaned the inside of the pop-off valve to a nice shine > and tried two new pistons. It still leaks. > > Could this be caused by a weakened spring? Your thoughts are greatly > appreciated. > > -Steve Dalton > > > > > > > -- > Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM > >


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    Time: 11:02:25 AM PST US
    From: "Robert Langford" <randmyak52@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Air Leak
    I do agree with that Dennis, I did solve my problem with the new plunger and spring. Actually one should never replace the plunger without a new spring. that thing really takes a beating eveytime you fly. ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Dennis Savarese To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak Robert, I believe Steve said he tried two new pistons. The new pistons that I have purchased come with the rubber seals molded in. Assuming the new pistons Steve purchased did come with the seals molded in, the only thing left to replace is the spring. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Langford To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak <randmyak52@bellsouth.net> Steve: I have had some of the same problems with various YAKS. I have found that after time the rubber seal molded into the brass plunger recedes to the point that the metal surface of the plunger makes contacts with the seat, this prevents proper seating. I have not had much luck with just replacing the rubber, doesn't last very long. I have however on several occasions used this method. I recently ordered the spring and plunger new from Jill. this worked perfectly, however it cost something over $100.00. I use a scuba bottle at the fill port to adjust the valve. Just hook up the bottle, get the pressure you want, and tighten the valve until it stops discharging. This method avoids a lot of readjusting while looking for the proper setting. Ideal is this, it pops of at Approx. 5.5 while in flight, and bleeds back to 5.0 after shutdown. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Dalton" <flatspins@gmail.com> To: "Yak-List Digest Server" <yak-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Yak-List: Air Leak > > Folks, > > Once again I am looking for your expertise. > > My air system charges up nicely to 5.5 on the gauge while flying. Then > when I shut down I can hear it leaking out the two small vent holes in > the pop-off valve body. Soapy water confirms this leak as it sits. > Within two days the system will completely leak out. > > I have thoroughly cleaned the inside of the pop-off valve to a nice shine > and tried two new pistons. It still leaks. > > Could this be caused by a weakened spring? Your thoughts are greatly > appreciated. > > -Steve Dalton > > > > > > > -- > Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM > > nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics nbsp; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com nbsp; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 10/26/2008 9:27 AM


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    Time: 11:02:44 AM PST US
    From: Walter Lannon <wlannon@persona.ca>
    Subject: Re: Air Leak
    Dennis; The new piston usually does the job, with or without a new spring. The available adjustment allows for a large variation in spring tension. In this case a very detailed inspection of the valve seat is in order. Pitting corrosion may have compromised the seat. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Dennis Savarese To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak Robert, I believe Steve said he tried two new pistons. The new pistons that I have purchased come with the rubber seals molded in. Assuming the new pistons Steve purchased did come with the seals molded in, the only thing left to replace is the spring. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Langford To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak Steve: I have had some of the same problems with various YAKS. I have found that after time the rubber seal molded into the brass plunger recedes to the point that the metal surface of the plunger makes contacts with the seat, this prevents proper seating. I have not had much luck with just replacing the rubber, doesn't last very long. I have however on several occasions used this method. I recently ordered the spring and plunger new from Jill. this worked perfectly, however it cost something over $100.00. I use a scuba bottle at the fill port to adjust the valve. Just hook up the bottle, get the pressure you want, and tighten the valve until it stops discharging. This method avoids a lot of readjusting while looking for the proper setting. Ideal is this, it pops of at Approx. 5.5 while in flight, and bleeds back to 5.0 after shutdown. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Dalton" <flatspins@gmail.com> To: "Yak-List Digest Server" <yak-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Yak-List: Air Leak > > Folks, > > Once again I am looking for your expertise. > > My air system charges up nicely to 5.5 on the gauge while flying. Then > when I shut down I can hear it leaking out the two small vent holes in > the pop-off valve body. Soapy water confirms this leak as it sits. > Within two days the system will completely leak out. > > I have thoroughly cleaned the inside of the pop-off valve to a nice shine > and tried two new pistons. It still leaks. > > Could this be caused by a weakened spring? Your thoughts are greatly > appreciated. > > -Steve Dalton > > > > > > > -- > Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM > > nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronicsnbsp; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 11:10:48 AM PST US
    From: "doug sapp" <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Air Leak
    On 10/26/08, Robert Langford <randmyak52@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I do agree with that Dennis, I did solve my problem with the new plunger and > spring. Actually one should never replace the plunger without a new spring. > that thing really takes a beating eveytime you fly. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: A. Dennis Savarese > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:21 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak > > > Robert, > I believe Steve said he tried two new pistons. The new pistons that I > have purchased come with the rubber seals molded in. Assuming the new > pistons Steve purchased did come with the seals molded in, the only thing > left to replace is the spring. > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Langford > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak > > > <randmyak52@bellsouth.net> > > Steve: > I have had some of the same problems with various YAKS. I have found > that > after time the rubber seal molded into the brass plunger recedes to the > point that the metal surface of the plunger makes contacts with the > seat, > this prevents proper seating. I have not had much luck with just > replacing > the rubber, doesn't last very long. I have however on several occasions > used > this method. I recently ordered the spring and plunger new from Jill. > this > worked perfectly, however it cost something over $100.00. I use a scuba > bottle at the fill port to adjust the valve. Just hook up the bottle, > get > the pressure you want, and tighten the valve until it stops discharging. > This method avoids a lot of readjusting while looking for the proper > setting. Ideal is this, it pops of at Approx. 5.5 while in flight, and > bleeds back to 5.0 after shutdown. > > > Robert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Dalton" <flatspins@gmail.com> > To: "Yak-List Digest Server" <yak-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:44 AM > Subject: Yak-List: Air Leak > > > > > > Folks, > > > > Once again I am looking for your expertise. > > > > My air system charges up nicely to 5.5 on the gauge while flying. > Then > > when I shut down I can hear it leaking out the two small vent holes > in > > the pop-off valve body. Soapy water confirms this leak as it sits. > > Within two days the system will completely leak out. > > > > I have thoroughly cleaned the inside of the pop-off valve to a nice > shine > > and tried two new pistons. It still leaks. > > > > Could this be caused by a weakened spring? Your thoughts are greatly > > appreciated. > > > > -Steve Dalton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM > > > > nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronicsnbsp; > via the Web > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > nbsp; generous bsp; > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG. > 10/26/2008 9:27 AM > -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644


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    Time: 11:46:13 AM PST US
    From: "doug sapp" <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Air Leak
    Guys, My computer has a glitch in it today and my unfinished email seems to have gone away,so I'll try this once again. On a CJ: Air comes from the compressor into the snot valve, out of the snot valve and into the pop off valve assembly which is made up of the pressure reducing valve and two check valves, (one inward facing check valve on each side of it). The pop off valve also has a center leg/fitting which goes on to the air filter and then on into the system and tank. Isn't the 52 the same? In order for Steve to be draining his system would he not have to have a leaking check valve as well as pop off valve problem? How else could the air get back through the system to the pop off valve?? I do have new CJ6 pop off valves in stock @ $85.00 each. While the exterior is different than that used in the 52 TJ tells me that the interrior parts are the same as used in the 52 style pop off valve. Always Yakin, Doug On 10/26/08, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote: > On 10/26/08, Robert Langford <randmyak52@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> I do agree with that Dennis, I did solve my problem with the new plunger >> and >> spring. Actually one should never replace the plunger without a new >> spring. >> that thing really takes a beating eveytime you fly. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: A. Dennis Savarese >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:21 PM >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak >> >> >> Robert, >> I believe Steve said he tried two new pistons. The new pistons that I >> have purchased come with the rubber seals molded in. Assuming the new >> pistons Steve purchased did come with the seals molded in, the only thing >> left to replace is the spring. >> Dennis >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Robert Langford >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:12 PM >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak >> >> >> <randmyak52@bellsouth.net> >> >> Steve: >> I have had some of the same problems with various YAKS. I have found >> that >> after time the rubber seal molded into the brass plunger recedes to >> the >> point that the metal surface of the plunger makes contacts with the >> seat, >> this prevents proper seating. I have not had much luck with just >> replacing >> the rubber, doesn't last very long. I have however on several >> occasions >> used >> this method. I recently ordered the spring and plunger new from Jill. >> this >> worked perfectly, however it cost something over $100.00. I use a >> scuba >> bottle at the fill port to adjust the valve. Just hook up the bottle, >> get >> the pressure you want, and tighten the valve until it stops >> discharging. >> This method avoids a lot of readjusting while looking for the proper >> setting. Ideal is this, it pops of at Approx. 5.5 while in flight, and >> bleeds back to 5.0 after shutdown. >> >> >> >> Robert >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Dalton" <flatspins@gmail.com> >> To: "Yak-List Digest Server" <yak-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:44 AM >> Subject: Yak-List: Air Leak >> >> >> > >> > Folks, >> > >> > Once again I am looking for your expertise. >> > >> > My air system charges up nicely to 5.5 on the gauge while flying. >> Then >> > when I shut down I can hear it leaking out the two small vent holes >> in >> > the pop-off valve body. Soapy water confirms this leak as it sits. >> > Within two days the system will completely leak out. >> > >> > I have thoroughly cleaned the inside of the pop-off valve to a nice >> shine >> > and tried two new pistons. It still leaks. >> > >> > Could this be caused by a weakened spring? Your thoughts are >> greatly >> > appreciated. >> > >> > -Steve Dalton >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM >> > >> > nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronicsnbsp; >> via the Web >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> nbsp; generous bsp; >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> Checked by AVG. >> 10/26/2008 9:27 AM >> > > > -- > Always Yakin, > Doug Sapp > Phone 509-826-4610 > Fax 509-826-3644 > -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644


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    Time: 11:56:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Missing man formation
    From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
    czech6(at)mesanetworks.ne wrote: > Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were just > being curious as opposed to callus. > > -- Actually it IS a military thing! It is a tradition dating back to WWI. It is however NOT unique to the US and was in fact first supposedly used at the funeral held by the RAF for Richthofen (Red Baron). There is a growing trend to adopt military traditions and courtesies which in my opinion, diminish their historical and personal value. There are other ways to show respect while maintaining respect for others traditions. I mean absolutely no disrespect to Mr. Small's family or friends. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210376#210376


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    Time: 03:05:40 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Geipel" <czech6@mesanetworks.net>
    Subject: Re: Missing man formation
    So we can't count on your support?? I was in the military. I don't find it a problem to do it for a fellow American. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation czech6(at)mesanetworks.ne wrote: > Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were just > being curious as opposed to callus. > > -- Actually it IS a military thing! It is a tradition dating back to WWI. It is however NOT unique to the US and was in fact first supposedly used at the funeral held by the RAF for Richthofen (Red Baron). There is a growing trend to adopt military traditions and courtesies which in my opinion, diminish their historical and personal value. There are other ways to show respect while maintaining respect for others traditions. I mean absolutely no disrespect to Mr. Small's family or friends. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210376#210376


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    Time: 08:23:12 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Missing man formation
    The following link is to a brief history of the Missing Man Formation, Fly Past, or Honor Flight. http://www.answers.com/topic/missing-man-formation The formation is traditionally flown for POW's, MiA's, a fallen aviator, and dignitaries. It is a "military" thing but has been flown by the civilian community to show respect for a fallen aviator or person of respect in the community. I do not have a dog in this fight and mean no disrespect the family or friends of the family. I hope the desires were met successfully by the guys in the ATL area. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation So we can't count on your support?? I was in the military. I don't find it a problem to do it for a fellow American. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation czech6(at)mesanetworks.ne wrote: > Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were just > being curious as opposed to callus. > > -- Actually it IS a military thing! It is a tradition dating back to WWI. It is however NOT unique to the US and was in fact first supposedly used at the funeral held by the RAF for Richthofen (Red Baron). There is a growing trend to adopt military traditions and courtesies which in my opinion, diminish their historical and personal value. There are other ways to show respect while maintaining respect for others traditions. I mean absolutely no disrespect to Mr. Small's family or friends. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210376#210376


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    Time: 08:34:39 PM PST US
    Subject: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long
    From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
    I have two military issued flight suits (tan) that I am getting rid of. They go to the first person that can answer the following question. How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? Show your math. Shipping cost only. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210444#210444


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    Time: 09:01:26 PM PST US
    Subject: New to forum
    From: "Bill1200" <billdykes52@gmail.com>
    New to YAKS as well. Have been training in YAK 52 in preparation for cross country flight. Purchased 52 and plan to pick it up in Vermont (coming out of annual) and fly it back to Calif. Plan on 1.5 hr legs. Have an air adapter with schrader valve. Plan on stopping at medium size airports. Any recommendations on other "must have" items would be very appreciated, thanks, Bill. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210448#210448


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    Time: 09:13:57 PM PST US
    From: "Chris Wise" <wise@txc.net.au>
    Subject: Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long
    I have one better If woodstock would stock wood, how much wood would woodstock stock. What size are they, I am a big guy. take XXXl Cheers, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: Yak-List: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long > > I have two military issued flight suits (tan) that I am getting rid of. > > They go to the first person that can answer the following question. > > How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? > > Show your math. > > > Shipping cost only. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210444#210444 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG. 12:00 AM


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    Time: 09:26:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long
    From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
    42 Long Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210455#210455


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    Time: 10:22:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long
    From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
    Using the formula: (W + I) * C where W = the constant of wood, which is well known to be 61, as agreed in many scientific circles. I = the variable in this equation, and stands for the word "if" from the original problem. As there are three circumstances, with 0 equaling the chance that the woodchuck cannot chuck wood, 1 being the theory that the woodchuck can chuck wood but chooses not to, and 2 standing for the probability that the woodchuck can and will chuck wood, we clearly must choose 2 for use in this equation. C = the constant of Chuck Norris, whose presence in any problem involving the word chuck must there, is well known to equal 1.1 of any known being, therefore the final part of this calculation is 1.1. As is clear, this appears to give the answer of (61 + 2) * 1.1 = (63) * 1.1 = 69.3. However, Chuck Norris' awesome roundhouse kick declares that all decimal points cannot be used in formulas such as this, and so it must be rounded to the final solution of 69 units of wood. We've got a couple of new flight students that wear 42L, send them on after we have taken all comers!! Gary 'Bunndini' Bunn Vector Warbirds USA www.vectorwarbirds.com? -----Original Message----- From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@fuse.net> Sent: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 8:34 pm Subject: Yak-List: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long I have two military issued flight suits (tan) that I am getting rid of. They go to the first person that can answer the following question. How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? Show your math. Shipping cost only. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210444#210444




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