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1. 12:22 AM - Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long (Chris Wise)
2. 02:32 AM - What are you waiting for?! (pilko2)
3. 03:17 AM - Re: What are you waiting for?! (fish@aviation-tech.com)
4. 03:35 AM - Re: Air Leak (Rob Rowe)
5. 04:40 AM - Re: New to forum (Robert Langford)
6. 06:23 AM - Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long (Roger Kemp MD)
7. 06:26 AM - Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long (Roger Kemp MD)
8. 06:39 AM - Re: What are you waiting for?! (Roger Kemp MD)
9. 10:47 AM - Re: New to forum (ByronMFox@aol.com)
10. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: M14P Missing Oil & Hydraulic Lock (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
11. 01:55 PM - Re: New to forum (Bill1200)
12. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
13. 02:23 PM - Re: Air Leak (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
14. 02:33 PM - Re: Air Leak (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
15. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: New to forum (Roger Kemp MD)
16. 02:42 PM - trying to get felt up (Jon Boede)
17. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: New to forum (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
18. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: New to forum (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
19. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (jblake207@COMCAST.NET)
20. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (jblake207@COMCAST.NET)
21. 03:30 PM - Re: Re: New to forum (byronmfox)
22. 03:33 PM - Re: the JUDGE (Re: New to forum) (A. Dennis Savarese)
23. 03:42 PM - Re: the JUDGE (Re: New to forum) (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
24. 03:48 PM - OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum (Budd Davisson)
25. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: New to forum (Forrest Johnson)
26. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Forrest Johnson)
27. 04:04 PM - Re: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
28. 04:05 PM - Re: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
29. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: New to forum (Tim)
30. 04:16 PM - Re: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum (Budd Davisson)
31. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (DAVID STROUD)
32. 04:48 PM - Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long (Tim Gagnon)
33. 05:01 PM - Re: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum (cjpilot710@aol.com)
34. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
35. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Robert Langford)
36. 05:33 PM - Re: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
37. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
38. 06:02 PM - Re: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum (Budd Davisson)
39. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Bill Geipel)
40. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Bill Geipel)
41. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Budd Davisson)
42. 06:40 PM - Re: trying to get felt up (desmor944@aol.com)
43. 07:28 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
44. 07:47 PM - Re: Missing man formation (Tim Gagnon)
45. 08:14 PM - Re: Air Leak (Rob Rowe)
46. 08:20 PM - Re: the JUDGE (Re: New to forum) (Roger Kemp MD)
47. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: New to forum (Roger Kemp MD)
48. 08:55 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Roger Kemp MD)
49. 09:29 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (cjpilot710@aol.com)
50. 09:32 PM - Re: Air Leak (keithmckinley)
51. 09:34 PM - Re: Re: Air Leak (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
52. 09:39 PM - Cool Nanchang & Yak low level fly by video (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
53. 10:36 PM - Re: Re: Missing man formation (Tom Elliott)
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| Subject: | Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long |
It goes without saying that Bundinni deserves the suits.
----- Original Message -----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits.
42 Long
Using the formula: (W + I) * C where W = the constant of wood, which
is well known to be 61, as agreed in many scientific circles. I = the
variable in this equation, and stands for the word "if" from the
original problem. As there are three circumstances, with 0 equaling the
chance that the woodchuck cannot chuck wood, 1 being the theory that the
woodchuck can chuck wood but chooses not to, and 2 standing for the
probability that the woodchuck can and will chuck wood, we clearly must
choose 2 for use in this equation. C = the constant of Chuck Norris,
whose presence in any problem involving the word chuck must there, is
well known to equal 1.1 of any known being, therefore the final part of
this calculation is 1.1. As is clear, this appears to give the answer of
(61 + 2) * 1.1 = (63) * 1.1 = 69.3. However, Chuck Norris' awesome
roundhouse kick declares that all decimal points cannot be used in
formulas such as this, and so it must be rounded to the final solution
of 69 units of wood.
We've got a couple of new flight students that wear 42L, send them on
after we have taken all comers!!
Gary 'Bunndini' Bunn
Vector Warbirds USA
www.vectorwarbirds.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 8:34 pm
Subject: Yak-List: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42
Long
I have two military issued flight suits (tan) that I am getting rid of.
They go to the first person that can answer the following question.
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Show your math.
Shipping cost only.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210444#210444
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| Subject: | What are you waiting for?! |
So what are you waiting for?!
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mig-29-for-private-use-for-SALE-Exclusive_W0QQitemZ32
0313716071QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320313716071&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C6
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mig-29-for-private-use-for-SALE-Exclusive_W0QQitemZ320
313716071QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320313716071&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65
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If things weren't bad enough before now I have envy to contend with as well
!
kp
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| Subject: | Re: What are you waiting for?! |
Group,
There are currently 5 Mig-29's registered in the US:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=mig29&mfrtxt=&modeltxt=mig-29&cmndfind.x=6&cmndfind.y=8
So you would not be the first.
Laterrrr
John Fischer
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From: "pilko2" <pilko2@btinternet.com>
Subject: Spam:*****, Yak-List: What are you waiting for?!
> So what are you waiting for?!
>
>
>
> <http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mig-29-for-private-use-for-SALE-Exc
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> If things weren't bad enough before now I have envy to
> contend with as well !
>
> kp
>
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> In order for Steve to be draining his system would he not have to have a leaking
check valve as well as pop off valve problem? How else could the air get back
through the system to the pop off valve??
YAK-52s do not have the additional check valve between the PRV and the air filter,
so if the PRV fails the main air leaks down too.
While early DOSAAF schematics do show such a check valve it seemingly never made
it into series production (ditto for having the emergency air fed from the PRV)
... for reasons only known to YDB.
Rob R.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210471#210471
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| Subject: | Re: New to forum |
Have a small air bottle with you! You can get perhaps three starts from
that. If you are not familiar with starting a YAK, have someone who is go
over that procedure with you. Remember to turn off the air, remember turn
off the air & remember to turn off the air. The three most important things.
If this A/C has a oil heater installed, try to get it plugged in over night,
makes starting easier. The 52 is really easy to start by hand, however this
should only be attempted if you have Two experienced people involved. Good
luck on your trip, you will love the 52.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill1200" <billdykes52@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:00 PM
Subject: Yak-List: New to forum
>
> New to YAKS as well. Have been training in YAK 52 in preparation for cross
> country flight. Purchased 52 and plan to pick it up in Vermont (coming out
> of annual) and fly it back to Calif. Plan on 1.5 hr legs. Have an air
> adapter with schrader valve. Plan on stopping at medium size airports. Any
> recommendations on other "must have" items would be very appreciated,
> thanks, Bill.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210448#210448
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> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 9:27 AM
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| Subject: | 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long |
What is a 2X. The mil spec flight suits are issued in sizes Like 28R to 50R
or L. As for the woodchuck...
Viperdoc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:34 PM
Subject: Yak-List: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long
I have two military issued flight suits (tan) that I am getting rid of.
They go to the first person that can answer the following question.
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Show your math.
Shipping cost only.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210444#210444
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| Subject: | 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long |
Ok I'll finish my As for the woodchuck.shoot the SOB while you can still
exercise you 2nd amendment rights!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long
Using the formula: (W + I) * C where W = the constant of wood, which is well
known to be 61, as agreed in many scientific circles. I = the variable in
this equation, and stands for the word "if" from the original problem. As
there are three circumstances, with 0 equaling the chance that the woodchuck
cannot chuck wood, 1 being the theory that the woodchuck can chuck wood but
chooses not to, and 2 standing for the probability that the woodchuck can
and will chuck wood, we clearly must choose 2 for use in this equation. C
the constant of Chuck Norris, whose presence in any problem involving the
word chuck must there, is well known to equal 1.1 of any known being,
therefore the final part of this calculation is 1.1. As is clear, this
appears to give the answer of (61 + 2) * 1.1 = (63) * 1.1 = 69.3. However,
Chuck Norris' awesome roundhouse kick declares that all decimal points
cannot be used in formulas such as this, and so it must be rounded to the
final solution of 69 units of wood.
We've got a couple of new flight students that wear 42L, send them on after
we have taken all comers!!
Gary 'Bunndini' Bunn
Vector Warbirds USA
www.vectorwarbirds.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
Sent: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 8:34 pm
Subject: Yak-List: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long
I have two military issued flight suits (tan) that I am getting rid of.
They go to the first person that can answer the following question.
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Show your math.
Shipping cost only.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210444#210444
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| Subject: | What are you waiting for?! |
Definitely the recipient of tender loving abuse!
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilko2
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:32 AM
Subject: Yak-List: What are you waiting for?!
So what are you waiting for?!
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mig-29-for-private-use-for-SALE-Exclusive_W0QQitemZ32
0313716071QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320313716071&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C6
5%3A7%7C240%3A1307&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mig-29-for-private-use-for-SALE-Exclusive_W0QQitemZ320
313716071QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320313716071&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65
%3A7%7C240%3A1307&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
If things weren't bad enough before now I have envy to contend with as well
!
kp
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| Subject: | Re: New to forum |
Welcome, Bill. Are you coming to Northern or Southern California? If
coming to Norcal, just fly
I-80 all the way.
In addition to a pony scuba tank, it's a good idea to have a couple of spare
spark plugs, valve cover gaskets and gear indicator bulbs. I'd also carry
a
spare main gear tire inner tube.
Because you'll be landing every 1+30, and can check in with your wife, girl
friend or mom, having a "SPOT" gps tracker
(http://www.findmespot.com/Home.aspx) isn't necessary. It's fun, though, for
those who want to watch your
progress online across the county. Also, it's great belt and suspenders.
Oh, don't forget the Advil for your sore butt and aching knees. ...Blitz
Byron M. Fox
CEO,COO,CFO, Sales Associate, Receptionist & Janitor
Red Star Pilots Association Online Store
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Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405
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| Subject: | Re: M14P Missing Oil & Hydraulic Lock |
Quick question. Where did you get the oil lines to mate with the valve,
the tank and the engine?
On the oil sump drain pump kit... Did you have to remove the cover off
the oil sump drain cover, or fixture and have it drilled and tapped to
accept the fitting, or did it come complete and you just bolted it on?
Thanks,
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dabear
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: M14P Missing Oil & Hydraulic Lock
Hit delete now.....
Ok, I warned you.
I've had the kimbal oil shut off valve and the oil sump drain pump for
over 350 hours on my M14P. I love it, period, end of story. Used
properly, there is zero chance of a hydraulic lock. It has the starter
interupt if the valve is closed. and if you remove all the oil from
your engine after shutting off the oil valve, there is no oil to drain
into the Cyl, therefore no lock.
Now, I've heard of danger of the starter interupt not working while the
valve is closed and electrically, don't see how that will happen. But
I'll grant you it might be possibility. However, when ever I start an
engine I look for oil pressure once the engine is running, no pressure I
immediately shut down the engine. We do this for cessnas, pipers, etc,
why is this any different.
I guess you could "accidently" shut the oil valve in flight, but then
again if you did that, you really shouldn't be flying.
The only real issue I see with the system is the half second it takes to
get oil pressure into the engine and that could be fixed with a
pre-oiler. But I've not seen (even in winter) it take more than a
second to get oil pressure, so while I might do a pre-oiler in the
future, it is not a priority.
The nice thing the system does (besides preventing Hydraulic Lock, is
prevent oil from coming out the intake drains and the exhaust onto the
hanger floor or ramp.
Your mileage may varry, void where prohibited.
Dabear
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| Subject: | Re: New to forum |
Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the suggestions. Space is obviously
limited. Will the pony bottle fit in the standard "baggage" area?
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| Subject: | Re: Missing man formation |
Bill, I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of callous to
be asking the question that Tim did when a person has just passed who's
loss will be felt by so many. Having recently just lost my own Mother,
I am especially sensitive to something like that as well.
That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so is
Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement or not,
the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military thing" as WELL
as a "respect thing" and it has usually been reserved for military
PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also morphed into being
performed for military aircrew as well.
For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in A-6A's
and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having a missing
man formation at my funeral.
As another example, while I agree that everyone rates respect in death,
that does not mean that they can be buried at Arlington National
Cemetery just because they would like to be. They also do not get to
have a 21 gun salute, even if they would like it and everyone agrees it
would be touching and appreciated. In the same token, a missing man
formation is reserved for those that qualify it, and it would certainly
lesson it's meaning if it were performed simply out of respect, and
without the military tradition from which it originated.
Respectfully,
Mark Bitterlich
USMC Retired
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were
just being curious as opposed to callus.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
Was the guy a veteran?
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That's a perplexing problem. If the spring were weak, one would think
that the air pressure would never reach 55 atmospheres to begin with.
Typically that problem is caused by a bad seat on the piston where the
rubber gets worn down or torn. You say you tried two new pistons? Did
you REPAIR them or were they actually NEW? Yes, ... Once you replace
the piston, the spring is the next thing to change. It is POSSIBLE that
you have some damage or contamination to the little metal ring that the
top of the piston (where the soft rubber is) pushes against in the main
body of the pop-off valve assembly itself. Remember that the piston is
pushed by a spring to where the front of it simply pushes against a HOLE
thus sealing it. That "hole" has a little ridge around it, and if that
is marred, scratched, contaminated with a piece of old rubber, corroded,
etc., then you will have a constant leak, that no new piston or spring
will ever correct.
Best I can think of!
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Dalton
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:44 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Air Leak
Folks,
Once again I am looking for your expertise.
My air system charges up nicely to 5.5 on the gauge while flying.
Then when I shut down I can hear it leaking out the two small vent holes
in the pop-off valve body. Soapy water confirms this leak as it sits.
Within two days the system will completely leak out.
I have thoroughly cleaned the inside of the pop-off valve to a nice
shine and tried two new pistons. It still leaks.
Could this be caused by a weakened spring? Your thoughts are greatly
appreciated.
-Steve Dalton
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I told you that too! :-) Yes, your CJ inside parts will work in a YAK
as long as you replace the piston and the spring at the same time. The
spring seating depth on the piston for the CJ is different than the YAK
so the spring is different too! Thus it is not wise to use a CJ piston
and a YAK spring. However, if you simply use both the spring AND the
piston from the CJ, it works like a champ, which I have done on a 50, a
52, and a Sukhoi 26 and 31.
Doug, the 52 is different than even the 50 on the air system. For
example, if I close the main air valve on my 50, it shuts off ALL the
air even to the pop off valve. Thus imagine my surprise when I closed
the main air valve on the 52 and went to pull the cover off the pop-off
valve only to have 700 PSI of air come screaming out. SURPRISE!
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak
Guys,
My computer has a glitch in it today and my unfinished email seems to
have gone away,so I'll try this once again.
On a CJ:
Air comes from the compressor into the snot valve, out of the snot valve
and into the pop off valve assembly which is made up of the pressure
reducing valve and two check valves, (one inward facing check valve on
each side of it). The pop off valve also has a center leg/fitting which
goes on to the air filter and then on into the system and tank. Isn't
the 52 the same? In order for Steve to be draining his system would he
not have to have a leaking check valve as well as pop off valve problem?
How else could the air get back through the system to the pop off
valve??
I do have new CJ6 pop off valves in stock @ $85.00 each. While the
exterior is different than that used in the 52 TJ tells me that the
interrior parts are the same as used in the 52 style pop off valve.
Always Yakin,
Doug
On 10/26/08, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/26/08, Robert Langford <randmyak52@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> I do agree with that Dennis, I did solve my problem with the new
>> plunger and spring. Actually one should never replace the plunger
>> without a new spring.
>> that thing really takes a beating eveytime you fly.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: A. Dennis Savarese
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak
>>
>>
>> Robert,
>> I believe Steve said he tried two new pistons. The new pistons
>> that I have purchased come with the rubber seals molded in. Assuming
>> the new pistons Steve purchased did come with the seals molded in,
>> the only thing left to replace is the spring.
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Robert Langford
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak
>>
>>
>> <randmyak52@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Steve:
>> I have had some of the same problems with various YAKS. I have
>> found that
>> after time the rubber seal molded into the brass plunger recedes
>> to the
>> point that the metal surface of the plunger makes contacts with
>> the seat,
>> this prevents proper seating. I have not had much luck with just
>> replacing
>> the rubber, doesn't last very long. I have however on several
>> occasions used
>> this method. I recently ordered the spring and plunger new from
Jill.
>> this
>> worked perfectly, however it cost something over $100.00. I use a
>> scuba
>> bottle at the fill port to adjust the valve. Just hook up the
>> bottle, get
>> the pressure you want, and tighten the valve until it stops
>> discharging.
>> This method avoids a lot of readjusting while looking for the
proper
>> setting. Ideal is this, it pops of at Approx. 5.5 while in
flight, and
>> bleeds back to 5.0 after shutdown.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Dalton" <flatspins@gmail.com>
>> To: "Yak-List Digest Server" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:44 AM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Air Leak
>>
>>
<flatspins@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > Folks,
>> >
>> > Once again I am looking for your expertise.
>> >
>> > My air system charges up nicely to 5.5 on the gauge while
flying.
>> Then
>> > when I shut down I can hear it leaking out the two small vent
>> holes in
>> > the pop-off valve body. Soapy water confirms this leak as it
sits.
>> > Within two days the system will completely leak out.
>> >
>> > I have thoroughly cleaned the inside of the pop-off valve to a
>> nice shine
>> > and tried two new pistons. It still leaks.
>> >
>> > Could this be caused by a weakened spring? Your thoughts are
>> greatly
>> > appreciated.
>> >
>> > -Steve Dalton
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM
>> >
>> > nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronicsn
bsp;
>> via the Web
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> nbsp; generous bsp;
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com
>> /c================
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>> ---------
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>> Checked by AVG.
>> 10/26/2008 9:27 AM
>>
>
>
> --
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
> Phone 509-826-4610
> Fax 509-826-3644
>
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Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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YEP.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill1200
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the suggestions. Space is
obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in the standard "baggage" area?
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | trying to get felt up |
We have wheels for all sorts of Russian aircraft and towbars and whatnot.
All of them use the same felt grease seals that you see on Chang tires.
What's a good source for felt of various thicknesses (other than "Doug" ~ a
lthough that's a good answer)... and what's the best way to cut it? Is the
re a place that you can order felt cut in the various diameters and thickne
sses we need?
Thanks=2C
Jon
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The whole idea of having the pony tank is to make sure you don't have to
prop the aircraft... Without brakes... And by yourself. On the same
token, learn where the air starter solenoid is located, see if it still
has the manually operated tab sticking out, and learn how to access that
with your big left toe, or in the worst case, with some shroud line that
you always carry a piece of.
Get the right tools and personally check that your exhaust flange
fittings and intake flange fittings are TIGHT and properly safety wired.
Inspect your exhaust tube coupling assemblies for bent or corroded bolts
and fittings, and look for evidence of leaks. Make sure you whole
exhaust system is leak free and not ready to come unglued.
If you have an intake drain kit, check to make sure it uses flexible
lines and not solid aluminum lines. The solid lines break. ALWAYS.
Many were put on with those solid lines.
Make sure your air system is set correctly and holds pressure between
50-55 atmospheres. More than that and it is really dangerous, less than
that, and you will be really low on air after you land and use your
brakes quite a bit.
Make a habit of putting your gear down EARLY. Allow your compressor to
pump the air bottle up FULLY before you land and idle in. If necessary
run the engine at 60% for awhile to get it back to a high value. Either
that, or plan on using your pony tank more often than you expect.
Spare light bulbs has already been mentioned. Second that motion.
Buy a few bottle of Marvel Mystery Oil and use it. I use 1/2 of a large
bottle for every fall tank. More than is recommended, but it works
wonders for me.
Recommend Phillips 20-60W Radial Engine Oil. Use 20-50 or so, and you
will consume more oil.
Don't do aerobatics during the flight. If you fill your oil to 15
liters before the Cross Country legs, and then you do acro enroute, you
will quickly blow oil out until it gets to 9 liters or so.
I'd carry a spark plug tool and a few spare plugs AND a cheap Sears IR
gun so you can determine quickly which cylinder is not firing should
that happen. As soon as you have the time and money, convert to
American plugs/wires using Dennis's kit.
Have fun! I did almost the same flight, but to lower California in a
YAK-50 and still remember it! Had a ball!
Mark Bitterlich\
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
--> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
YEP.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill1200
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the suggestions.
Space is obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in the standard
"baggage" area?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210595#210595
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Those who hate firearms, please do not read. DELETE NOW!
Doc, should we recommend that he carry a handgun? :-) That opened a
HUGE argument LAST time!
On that note, I just got a neat new handgun that is perfect for carry
during LONG cross countries. It is called "The Judge" and is built by
Taurus. About the same size and heft as a S&W 65/66 .357 this one
fires the .45 Colt, OR.... A 2 1/2" standard .410 shotgun round! Fires
5 rounds, so you can go from 000 buck, to birdshot, and then a few .45
Colt rounds for serious stuff. Kills snakes to birds... All in one
handgun. Their new model handles 3" .410 magnums.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
--> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
YEP.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill1200
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the suggestions.
Space is obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in the standard
"baggage" area?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210595#210595
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Please, no more replys on the subject. Jon
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> MALS-14 64E"
>
> Bill, I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of callous to
> be asking the question that Tim did when a person has just passed who's
> loss will be felt by so many. Having recently just lost my own Mother,
> I am especially sensitive to something like that as well.
>
> That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so is
> Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement or not,
> the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military thing" as WELL
> as a "respect thing" and it has usually been reserved for military
> PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also morphed into being
> performed for military aircrew as well.
>
> For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in A-6A's
> and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having a missing
> man formation at my funeral.
>
> As another example, while I agree that everyone rates respect in death,
> that does not mean that they can be buried at Arlington National
> Cemetery just because they would like to be. They also do not get to
> have a 21 gun salute, even if they would like it and everyone agrees it
> would be touching and appreciated. In the same token, a missing man
> formation is reserved for those that qualify it, and it would certainly
> lesson it's meaning if it were performed simply out of respect, and
> without the military tradition from which it originated.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> USMC Retired
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
>
> Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were
> just being curious as opposed to callus.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
>
> Was the guy a veteran?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210299#210299
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Bitterlich,
Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> <BR><BR>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, <BR>> MALS-14 64E" <MARK.BITTERLICH@NAVY.MIL><BR>> <BR>> Bill,
I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of callous to <BR>>
be asking the question that Tim did when a person has just passed who's <BR>>
loss will be felt by so many. Having recently just lost my own Mother, <BR>>
I am especially sensitive to something like that as well. <BR>> <BR>>
That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so is <BR>>
Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement or not,
<BR>> the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military thing" as
WELL <BR>> as a "respect thing" and it has usually
been
reserved for military <BR>> PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also
morphed into being <BR>> performed for military aircrew as well. <BR>>
<BR>> For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in A-6A's
<BR>> and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having a
missing <BR>> man formation at my funeral. <BR>> <BR>> As another example,
while I agree that everyone rates respect in death, <BR>> that does not
mean that they can be buried at Arlington National <BR>> Cemetery just because
they would like to be. They also do not get to <BR>> have a 21 gun salute,
even if they would like it and everyone agrees it <BR>> would be touching
and appreciated. In the same token, a missing man <BR>> formation is
reserved for those that qualify it, and it would certainly <BR>> lesson it's
meaning if it were performed simply out of respect, and <BR>> without the
military tradition from which it originated. <BR>>
; <BR>
> Respectfully, <BR>> <BR>> Mark Bitterlich <BR>> USMC Retired <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel <BR>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM <BR>> To: yak-list@matronics.com <BR>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation <BR>> <BR>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bill Geipel" <CZECH6@MESANETWORKS.NET><BR>> <BR>> Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were <BR>> just being curious as opposed to callus. <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon <BR>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM <BR>> To: yak-list@matronics.com <BR>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation <BR>> <BR>> --> Yak-List message p
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Please, no more replys on the subject. Jon
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> MALS-14 64E"
>
> Bill, I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of callous to
> be asking the question that Tim did when a person has just passed who's
> loss will be felt by so many. Having recently just lost my own Mother,
> I am especially sensitive to something like that as well.
>
> That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so is
> Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement or not,
> the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military thing" as WELL
> as a "respect thing" and it has usually been reserved for military
> PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also morphed into being
> performed for military aircrew as well.
>
> For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in A-6A's
> and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having a missing
> man formation at my funeral.
>
> As another example, while I agree that everyone rates respect in death,
> that does not mean that they can be buried at Arlington National
> Cemetery just because they would like to be. They also do not get to
> have a 21 gun salute, even if they would like it and everyone agrees it
> would be touching and appreciated. In the same token, a missing man
> formation is reserved for those that qualify it, and it would certainly
> lesson it's meaning if it were performed simply out of respect, and
> without the military tradition from which it originated.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> USMC Retired
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
>
> Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were
> just being curious as opposed to callus.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
>
> Was the guy a veteran?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210299#210299
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Bitterlich,
Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> <BR><BR>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, <BR>> MALS-14 64E" <MARK.BITTERLICH@NAVY.MIL><BR>> <BR>> Bill,
I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of callous to <BR>>
be asking the question that Tim did when a person has just passed who's <BR>>
loss will be felt by so many. Having recently just lost my own Mother, <BR>>
I am especially sensitive to something like that as well. <BR>> <BR>>
That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so is <BR>>
Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement or not,
<BR>> the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military thing" as
WELL <BR>> as a "respect thing" and it has usually
been
reserved for military <BR>> PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also
morphed into being <BR>> performed for military aircrew as well. <BR>>
<BR>> For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in A-6A's
<BR>> and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having a
missing <BR>> man formation at my funeral. <BR>> <BR>> As another example,
while I agree that everyone rates respect in death, <BR>> that does not
mean that they can be buried at Arlington National <BR>> Cemetery just because
they would like to be. They also do not get to <BR>> have a 21 gun salute,
even if they would like it and everyone agrees it <BR>> would be touching
and appreciated. In the same token, a missing man <BR>> formation is
reserved for those that qualify it, and it would certainly <BR>> lesson it's
meaning if it were performed simply out of respect, and <BR>> without the
military tradition from which it originated. <BR>>
; <BR>
> Respectfully, <BR>> <BR>> Mark Bitterlich <BR>> USMC Retired <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel <BR>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM <BR>> To: yak-list@matronics.com <BR>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation <BR>> <BR>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bill Geipel" <CZECH6@MESANETWORKS.NET><BR>> <BR>> Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were <BR>> just being curious as opposed to callus. <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon <BR>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM <BR>> To: yak-list@matronics.com <BR>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation <BR>> <BR>> --> Yak-List message p
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Wow!! -http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm
On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:19:16 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MA
LS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterl
ich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
LS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Those who hate firearms, please do not read. DELETE NOW!-
Doc, should we recommend that he carry a handgun? :-) That opened a
HUGE argument LAST time!-
On that note, I just got a neat new handgun that is perfect for carry
during LONG cross countries. It is called "The Judge" and is built by
Taurus. About the same size and heft as a S&W 65/66 .357 this one
fires the .45 Colt, OR.... A 2 1/2" standard .410 shotgun round! Fires
5 rounds, so you can go from 000 buck, to birdshot, and then a few .45
Colt rounds for serious stuff. Kills snakes to birds... All in one
handgun. Their new model handles 3" .410 magnums.-
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
--> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
YEP.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill1200
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the suggestions.
Space is obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in the standard
"baggage" area?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210595#210595
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TDA Investment Group
1214 Donnelly Avenue
Burlingame, CA 94010
650-343-6333
650-343-0858 Fax
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Doc HAS one!
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: byronmfox
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Wow!! http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm
On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:19:16 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Date: October 27, 2008 3:19:16 PM PDT
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Those who hate firearms, please do not read. DELETE NOW!
Doc, should we recommend that he carry a handgun? :-) That opened a
HUGE argument LAST time!
On that note, I just got a neat new handgun that is perfect for
carry
during LONG cross countries. It is called "The Judge" and is built
by
Taurus. About the same size and heft as a S&W 65/66 .357 this one
fires the .45 Colt, OR.... A 2 1/2" standard .410 shotgun round!
Fires
5 rounds, so you can go from 000 buck, to birdshot, and then a few
.45
Colt rounds for serious stuff. Kills snakes to birds... All in one
handgun. Their new model handles 3" .410 magnums.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
MD
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:34 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
--> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
YEP.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill1200
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:55 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the suggestions.
Space is obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in the standard
"baggage" area?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210595#210595
--
Byron M. Fox
TDA Investment Group
1214 Donnelly Avenue
Burlingame, CA 94010
650-343-6333
650-343-0858 Fax
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I should have known! :-) I can NEVER get something new that that gent
doesn't already have. Tj is the same way with his 50!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: the JUDGE (Yak-List: Re: New to forum)
Doc HAS one!
Dennis
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From: byronmfox <mailto:byronmfox@aol.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Wow!! http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm
On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:19:16 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det
Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Date: October 27, 2008 3:19:16 PM PDT
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Those who hate firearms, please do not read. DELETE NOW!
Doc, should we recommend that he carry a handgun? :-)
That opened a
HUGE argument LAST time!
On that note, I just got a neat new handgun that is
perfect for carry
during LONG cross countries. It is called "The Judge"
and is built by
Taurus. About the same size and heft as a S&W 65/66 .357
this one
fires the .45 Colt, OR.... A 2 1/2" standard .410
shotgun round! Fires
5 rounds, so you can go from 000 buck, to birdshot, and
then a few .45
Colt rounds for serious stuff. Kills snakes to birds...
All in one
handgun. Their new model handles 3" .410 magnums.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:34 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
--> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
YEP.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Bill1200
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:55 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
<billdykes52@gmail.com>
Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the
suggestions.
Space is obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in
the standard
"baggage" area?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210595#210595
--
Byron M. Fox
TDA Investment Group
1214 Donnelly Avenue
Burlingame, CA 94010
650-343-6333
650-343-0858 Fax
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?Yak-List
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| Subject: | OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum |
Before you do anything serious with The Judge, take a number of different
loads (000, #2, etc) and check its pattern at various distances. You=B9ll fin
d
that its effective range with shot is very short, 10-12 feet, if I recall (
I
did, when they first came out) before the shot spreads out too much to be
effective. It=B9s okay, half a room away, but not much else. Still, it=B9s
effective for some purposes.
Incidentally, on other groups I=B9m on, when the subject gets too far afield
from the basic subject of the group (Yaks, CJ/s) we put OT in the subject
line for =B3off topic=B2 so no one gets bent out of shape. Often the OT=B9s impar
t
more general knowledge the on topic stuff does.
bd
On 10/27/08 3:28 PM, "byronmfox" <byronmfox@aol.com> wrote:
> Wow!! -http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:19:16 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>> From:">"Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>> Subject:RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
>> Date:October 27, 2008 3:19:16 PM PDT
>> To:yak-list@matronics.com
,
>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Those who hate firearms, please do not read. DELETE NOW!-
>>
>> Doc, should we recommend that he carry a handgun? :-) That opened a
>> HUGE argument LAST time!-
>>
>> On that note, I just got a neat new handgun that is perfect for carry
>> during LONG cross countries. It is called "The Judge" and is built by
>> Taurus. About the same size and heft as a S&W 65/66 .357 this one
>> fires the .45 Colt, OR.... A 2 1/2" standard .410 shotgun round! Fires
>> 5 rounds, so you can go from 000 buck, to birdshot, and then a few .45
>> Colt rounds for serious stuff. Kills snakes to birds... All in one
>> handgun. Their new model handles 3" .410 magnums.-
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD
>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:34 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
>>
>> --> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>
>> YEP.
>> Doc
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill1200
>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:55 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
>>
>>
>> Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the suggestions.
>> Space is obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in the standard
>> "baggage" area?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210595#210595
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Byron M. Fox
>> TDA Investment Group
>> 1214 Donnelly Avenue
>> Burlingame, CA 94010
>> 650-343-6333
>> 650-343-0858 Fax
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Here we go again, HA HA . Should have bought a CJ6, with a large baggage
area.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill1200" <billdykes52@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:54 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
>
> Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the suggestions. Space
> is obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in the standard "baggage"
> area?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210595#210595
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Missing man formation |
You have a wondarful way with words that most of us don't have.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Bill, I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of callous to
> be asking the question that Tim did when a person has just passed who's
> loss will be felt by so many. Having recently just lost my own Mother,
> I am especially sensitive to something like that as well.
>
> That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so is
> Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement or not,
> the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military thing" as WELL
> as a "respect thing" and it has usually been reserved for military
> PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also morphed into being
> performed for military aircrew as well.
>
> For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in A-6A's
> and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having a missing
> man formation at my funeral.
>
> As another example, while I agree that everyone rates respect in death,
> that does not mean that they can be buried at Arlington National
> Cemetery just because they would like to be. They also do not get to
> have a 21 gun salute, even if they would like it and everyone agrees it
> would be touching and appreciated. In the same token, a missing man
> formation is reserved for those that qualify it, and it would certainly
> lesson it's meaning if it were performed simply out of respect, and
> without the military tradition from which it originated.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> USMC Retired
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
>
> Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were
> just being curious as opposed to callus.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
>
> Was the guy a veteran?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210299#210299
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum |
You're absolutely correct.
With the .45 Long Colt I was able to hold fairly good groups at 25
yards. With #8 birdshot about 10 feet was max, but it will really rip a
big snake up at that distance. One of my most serious concerns with big
bore, or very high velocity hand guns is the potential for a round to go
right through a wall and take out some innocent next door. Thus as a
purely defensive weapon this particular handgun has merit in my view as
well as taking along on a hike, or a cross country where particularly
unpopulated terrain is the norm.
The suggestion for adding "Off Topic" is well founded and one that I
will follow in the future. Thanks for making it Byron.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Budd Davisson
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:48 PM
Subject: Yak-List: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum
Before you do anything serious with The Judge, take a number of
different loads (000, #2, etc) and check its pattern at various
distances. You'll find that its effective range with shot is very short,
10-12 feet, if I recall (I did, when they first came out) before the
shot spreads out too much to be effective. It's okay, half a room away,
but not much else. Still, it's effective for some purposes.
Incidentally, on other groups I'm on, when the subject gets too far
afield from the basic subject of the group (Yaks, CJ/s) we put OT in the
subject line for "off topic" so no one gets bent out of shape. Often the
OT's impart more general knowledge the on topic stuff does.
bd
On 10/27/08 3:28 PM, "byronmfox" <byronmfox@aol.com> wrote:
Wow!! http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm
On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:19:16 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det
Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
From:">"Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject:RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Date:October 27, 2008 3:19:16 PM PDT
To:yak-list@matronics.com
Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Those who hate firearms, please do not read. DELETE NOW!
Doc, should we recommend that he carry a handgun? :-)
That opened a
HUGE argument LAST time!
On that note, I just got a neat new handgun that is
perfect for carry
during LONG cross countries. It is called "The Judge"
and is built by
Taurus. About the same size and heft as a S&W 65/66 .357
this one
fires the .45 Colt, OR.... A 2 1/2" standard .410
shotgun round! Fires
5 rounds, so you can go from 000 buck, to birdshot, and
then a few .45
Colt rounds for serious stuff. Kills snakes to birds...
All in one
handgun. Their new model handles 3" .410 magnums.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:34 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
--> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
YEP.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Bill1200
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:55 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
<billdykes52@gmail.com>
Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the
suggestions.
Space is obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in
the standard
"baggage" area?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210595#210595
--
Byron M. Fox
TDA Investment Group
1214 Donnelly Avenue
Burlingame, CA 94010
650-343-6333
650-343-0858 Fax
ail Forum -
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| Subject: | OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum |
Excuse me.. Not Byron, Budd! Sheesh, no excuse for that!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Budd Davisson
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:48 PM
Subject: Yak-List: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum
Before you do anything serious with The Judge, take a number of
different loads (000, #2, etc) and check its pattern at various
distances. You'll find that its effective range with shot is very short,
10-12 feet, if I recall (I did, when they first came out) before the
shot spreads out too much to be effective. It's okay, half a room away,
but not much else. Still, it's effective for some purposes.
Incidentally, on other groups I'm on, when the subject gets too far
afield from the basic subject of the group (Yaks, CJ/s) we put OT in the
subject line for "off topic" so no one gets bent out of shape. Often the
OT's impart more general knowledge the on topic stuff does.
bd
On 10/27/08 3:28 PM, "byronmfox" <byronmfox@aol.com> wrote:
Wow!! http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm
On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:19:16 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det
Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
From:">"Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject:RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Date:October 27, 2008 3:19:16 PM PDT
To:yak-list@matronics.com
Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Those who hate firearms, please do not read. DELETE NOW!
Doc, should we recommend that he carry a handgun? :-)
That opened a
HUGE argument LAST time!
On that note, I just got a neat new handgun that is
perfect for carry
during LONG cross countries. It is called "The Judge"
and is built by
Taurus. About the same size and heft as a S&W 65/66 .357
this one
fires the .45 Colt, OR.... A 2 1/2" standard .410
shotgun round! Fires
5 rounds, so you can go from 000 buck, to birdshot, and
then a few .45
Colt rounds for serious stuff. Kills snakes to birds...
All in one
handgun. Their new model handles 3" .410 magnums.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:34 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
--> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
YEP.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Bill1200
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:55 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
<billdykes52@gmail.com>
Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the
suggestions.
Space is obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in
the standard
"baggage" area?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210595#210595
--
Byron M. Fox
TDA Investment Group
1214 Donnelly Avenue
Burlingame, CA 94010
650-343-6333
650-343-0858 Fax
ail Forum -
">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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What if the guy has plans to fly only one cross-country, this one, to bring
his yak-52 to NorCal and then fly Aerobatics every week and weekend?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Johnson
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Here we go again, HA HA . Should have bought a CJ6, with a large baggage
area.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill1200" <billdykes52@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:54 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
>
> Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the suggestions. Space
> is obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in the standard "baggage"
> area?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210595#210595
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum |
Budd D made the suggestion.
And my Judge is in a holster on the bottom of the night stand.
On 10/27/08 4:04 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> You're absolutely correct.
>
> With the .45 Long Colt I was able to hold fairly good groups at 25
> yards. With #8 birdshot about 10 feet was max, but it will really rip a
> big snake up at that distance. One of my most serious concerns with big
> bore, or very high velocity hand guns is the potential for a round to go
> right through a wall and take out some innocent next door. Thus as a
> purely defensive weapon this particular handgun has merit in my view as
> well as taking along on a hike, or a cross country where particularly
> unpopulated terrain is the norm.
>
> The suggestion for adding "Off Topic" is well founded and one that I
> will follow in the future. Thanks for making it Byron.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Budd Davisson
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:48 PM
> To: Yak List
> Subject: Yak-List: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum
>
> Before you do anything serious with The Judge, take a number of
> different loads (000, #2, etc) and check its pattern at various
> distances. You'll find that its effective range with shot is very short,
> 10-12 feet, if I recall (I did, when they first came out) before the
> shot spreads out too much to be effective. It's okay, half a room away,
> but not much else. Still, it's effective for some purposes.
>
> Incidentally, on other groups I'm on, when the subject gets too far
> afield from the basic subject of the group (Yaks, CJ/s) we put OT in the
> subject line for "off topic" so no one gets bent out of shape. Often the
> OT's impart more general knowledge the on topic stuff does.
>
> bd
>
>
> On 10/27/08 3:28 PM, "byronmfox" <byronmfox@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Wow!! http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:19:16 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det
> Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>
>
> From:">"Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
> 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> Subject:RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
> Date:October 27, 2008 3:19:16 PM PDT
> To:yak-list@matronics.com
> Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Those who hate firearms, please do not read. DELETE NOW!
>
>
> Doc, should we recommend that he carry a handgun? :-)
> That opened a
> HUGE argument LAST time!
>
> On that note, I just got a neat new handgun that is
> perfect for carry
> during LONG cross countries. It is called "The Judge"
> and is built by
> Taurus. About the same size and heft as a S&W 65/66 .357
> this one
> fires the .45 Colt, OR.... A 2 1/2" standard .410
> shotgun round! Fires
> 5 rounds, so you can go from 000 buck, to birdshot, and
> then a few .45
> Colt rounds for serious stuff. Kills snakes to birds...
> All in one
> handgun. Their new model handles 3" .410 magnums.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Roger Kemp MD
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:34 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
>
> --> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> YEP.
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Bill1200
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:55 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
>
> <billdykes52@gmail.com>
>
> Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the
> suggestions.
> Space is obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in
> the standard
> "baggage" area?
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| Subject: | Re: Missing man formation |
Not only can he compose a sensitive and sensible message, his punctuation and
spelling are almost entirely correct too. A rare trait indeed. :-)
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 replica
under construction C-FYXV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Forrest Johnson" <flushjohnson@charter.net>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
> You have a wondarful way with words that most of us don't have.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:14 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
>
>> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Bill, I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of callous to
>> be asking the question that Tim did when a person has just passed who's
>> loss will be felt by so many. Having recently just lost my own Mother,
>> I am especially sensitive to something like that as well.
>>
>> That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so is
>> Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement or not,
>> the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military thing" as WELL
>> as a "respect thing" and it has usually been reserved for military
>> PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also morphed into being
>> performed for military aircrew as well.
>>
>> For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in A-6A's
>> and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having a missing
>> man formation at my funeral.
>>
>> As another example, while I agree that everyone rates respect in death,
>> that does not mean that they can be buried at Arlington National
>> Cemetery just because they would like to be. They also do not get to
>> have a 21 gun salute, even if they would like it and everyone agrees it
>> would be touching and appreciated. In the same token, a missing man
>> formation is reserved for those that qualify it, and it would certainly
>> lesson it's meaning if it were performed simply out of respect, and
>> without the military tradition from which it originated.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>> USMC Retired
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>>
>>
>> Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were
>> just being curious as opposed to callus.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>>
>>
>> Was the guy a veteran?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210299#210299
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| Subject: | Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long |
viperdoc(at)mindspring.co wrote:
> What is a 2X. The mil spec flight suits are issued in sizes Like 28R to 50R
> or L. As for the woodchuck...
> Viperdoc
>
> --
2 of them...as in 2 X 42 Long...
I have submitted Bunndini's math for verification and correctness. The person I
have chosen to administer the verification is Henry Paulson...I hear he is pretty
good with math and stuff.
As for Chuck Norris, I submit that he has a contender for baddest dude ever. Jack
Bauer could be considered as Chuck's successor, if there can be one. If nothing
else, I would venture to say that Bauer has better cell phone service in
addition to a battery with infinite life. Plus he has the capability to cover
great distances between commercials easier than Norris.
I am just saying.....it might be worth considering. Thoughts?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210664#210664
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| Subject: | Re: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum |
You guys should check out this video. Don't know its got to hurt!!!!
Pappy
_http://www.gunslot.com/videos/iraqi-wedding_
(http://www.gunslot.com/videos/iraqi-wedding)
In a message dated 10/27/2008 7:07:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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| Subject: | Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long |
I believe we must all bow to the all powerful Chuck Norris, so before you go any
further I suggest you review the website below before nominating others to
take Mr. Norris's place.? We all must be sure that whoever might be considered
have the same powers that Mr. Norris does.? That is going to be hard to fill
that Gi in my opinion, wood chucks and chucking wood notwithstanding.
http://www.thechucknorrisfacts.com/
'Bunndini'
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@fuse.net>
Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 4:47 pm
Subject: Yak-List: Re: 2 X Tan (desert) military issue flight suits. 42 Long
viperdoc(at)mindspring.co wrote:
> What is a 2X. The mil spec flight suits are issued in sizes Like 28R to 50R
> or L. As for the woodchuck...
> Viperdoc
>
> --
2 of them...as in 2 X 42 Long...
I have submitted Bunndini's math for verification and correctness. The person I
have chosen to administer the verification is Henry Paulson...I hear he is
pretty good with math and stuff.
As for Chuck Norris, I submit that he has a contender for baddest dude ever.
Jack Bauer could be considered as Chuck's successor, if there can be one. If
nothing else, I would venture to say that Bauer has better cell phone service in
addition to a battery with infinite life. Plus he has the capability to cover
great distances between commercials easier than Norris.
I am just saying.....it might be worth considering. Thoughts?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210664#210664
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| Subject: | Re: Missing man formation |
Could it be that some of our members need a life? How much can be said about
a missing man & a desert Flt. suit?
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID STROUD" <dstroud@storm.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
> Not only can he compose a sensitive and sensible message, his punctuation
> and spelling are almost entirely correct too. A rare trait indeed. :-)
>
> David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> Fairchild 51 replica
> under construction C-FYXV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Forrest Johnson" <flushjohnson@charter.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
>
>> <flushjohnson@charter.net>
>>
>> You have a wondarful way with words that most of us don't have.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:14 PM
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>>
>>
>>> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>
>>> Bill, I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of callous to
>>> be asking the question that Tim did when a person has just passed who's
>>> loss will be felt by so many. Having recently just lost my own Mother,
>>> I am especially sensitive to something like that as well.
>>>
>>> That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so is
>>> Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement or not,
>>> the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military thing" as WELL
>>> as a "respect thing" and it has usually been reserved for military
>>> PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also morphed into being
>>> performed for military aircrew as well.
>>>
>>> For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in A-6A's
>>> and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having a missing
>>> man formation at my funeral.
>>>
>>> As another example, while I agree that everyone rates respect in death,
>>> that does not mean that they can be buried at Arlington National
>>> Cemetery just because they would like to be. They also do not get to
>>> have a 21 gun salute, even if they would like it and everyone agrees it
>>> would be touching and appreciated. In the same token, a missing man
>>> formation is reserved for those that qualify it, and it would certainly
>>> lesson it's meaning if it were performed simply out of respect, and
>>> without the military tradition from which it originated.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>> USMC Retired
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>>>
>>>
>>> Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were
>>> just being curious as opposed to callus.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>>>
>>>
>>> Was the guy a veteran?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210299#210299
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum |
Pappy,
I watched the video. It left me totally speechless. There are no words
that can come close to defining how totally STUPID some people can be.
No words what-so-ever. One can only hope that what happened in the end
was video trickery and not actually true.
Strange as it may seem, to me this is another example of how lucky we
are to be living in a country that does not determine the laws that we
must abide by based on examples of the lowest I.Q. of the general
population.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum
You guys should check out this video. Don't know its got to hurt!!!!
Pappy
http://www.gunslot.com/videos/iraqi-wedding
In a message dated 10/27/2008 7:07:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Missing man formation |
Worse yet are the people that actually take the time to read it. :-)
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Langford
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
--> <randmyak52@bellsouth.net>
Could it be that some of our members need a life? How much can be said
about a missing man & a desert Flt. suit?
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID STROUD" <dstroud@storm.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
> Not only can he compose a sensitive and sensible message, his
> punctuation and spelling are almost entirely correct too. A rare trait
> indeed. :-)
>
> David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> Fairchild 51 replica
> under construction C-FYXV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Forrest Johnson" <flushjohnson@charter.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
>
>> <flushjohnson@charter.net>
>>
>> You have a wondarful way with words that most of us don't have.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:14 PM
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>>
>>
>>> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>
>>> Bill, I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of
>>> callous to be asking the question that Tim did when a person has
>>> just passed who's loss will be felt by so many. Having recently
>>> just lost my own Mother, I am especially sensitive to something like
that as well.
>>>
>>> That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so
>>> is Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement
>>> or not, the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military
>>> thing" as WELL as a "respect thing" and it has usually been reserved
>>> for military PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also
>>> morphed into being performed for military aircrew as well.
>>>
>>> For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in
>>> A-6A's and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having
>>> a missing man formation at my funeral.
>>>
>>> As another example, while I agree that everyone rates respect in
>>> death, that does not mean that they can be buried at Arlington
>>> National Cemetery just because they would like to be. They also do
>>> not get to have a 21 gun salute, even if they would like it and
>>> everyone agrees it would be touching and appreciated. In the same
>>> token, a missing man formation is reserved for those that qualify
>>> it, and it would certainly lesson it's meaning if it were performed
>>> simply out of respect, and without the military tradition from which
it originated.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>> USMC Retired
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>>> Geipel
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>>>
>>> --> <czech6@mesanetworks.net>
>>>
>>> Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you
>>> were just being curious as opposed to callus.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>>>
>>>
>>> Was the guy a veteran?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210299#210299
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Serves the stupid sh*t right. How dumb can you be?
Of course, that could also be an Obama ad for gun control.
On 10/27/08 5:32 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Pappy,
>
> I watched the video. It left me totally speechless. There are no words
> that can come close to defining how totally STUPID some people can be.
> No words what-so-ever. One can only hope that what happened in the end
> was video trickery and not actually true.
>
> Strange as it may seem, to me this is another example of how lucky we
> are to be living in a country that does not determine the laws that we
> must abide by based on examples of the lowest I.Q. of the general
> population.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> cjpilot710@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:01 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum
>
>
> You guys should check out this video. Don't know its got to hurt!!!!
> Pappy
>
>
> http://www.gunslot.com/videos/iraqi-wedding
>
> In a message dated 10/27/2008 7:07:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
>
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Missing man formation |
Okay then, I'll call the widow and let her know that we can't honor her
request because, ??.
I've moved on. You guys are wrong to not honor a request like this. But that
is your right.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Bill, I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of callous to
be asking the question that Tim did when a person has just passed who's
loss will be felt by so many. Having recently just lost my own Mother,
I am especially sensitive to something like that as well.
That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so is
Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement or not,
the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military thing" as WELL
as a "respect thing" and it has usually been reserved for military
PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also morphed into being
performed for military aircrew as well.
For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in A-6A's
and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having a missing
man formation at my funeral.
As another example, while I agree that everyone rates respect in death,
that does not mean that they can be buried at Arlington National
Cemetery just because they would like to be. They also do not get to
have a 21 gun salute, even if they would like it and everyone agrees it
would be touching and appreciated. In the same token, a missing man
formation is reserved for those that qualify it, and it would certainly
lesson it's meaning if it were performed simply out of respect, and
without the military tradition from which it originated.
Respectfully,
Mark Bitterlich
USMC Retired
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were
just being curious as opposed to callus.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
Was the guy a veteran?
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| Subject: | Re: Missing man formation |
I agree. However it is only a few airplanes flying in formation to say good
by old friend. Ego!
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jblake207@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
Please, no more replys on the subject. Jon
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From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> MALS-14 64E"
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> Bill, I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of callous to
> be asking the question that Tim did when a person has just passed who's
> loss will be felt by so many. Having recently just lost my own Mother,
> I am especially sensitive to something like that as well.
>
> That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so is
> Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement or not,
> the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military thing" as WELL
> as a "respect thing" and it has usually been reserved for military
> PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also morphed into being
> performed for military aircrew as well.
>
> For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in A-6A's
> and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having a missing
> man formation at my funeral.
>
> As another example, while I agree that everyone rates respect in death,
> that does not mean that they can be buried at Arlington National
> Cemetery just because they would like to be. They also do not get to
> have a 21 gun salute, even if they would like it and everyone agrees it
> would be touching and appreciated. In the same token, a missing man
> formation is reserved for those that qualify it, and it would certainly
> lesson it's meaning if it were performed simply out of respect, and
> without the military tradition from which it originated.
> ;
> Respectfully,
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> USMC Retired
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
>
> Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were
> just being curious as opposed to callus.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
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| Subject: | Re: Missing man formation |
If I were there, Bill, I'd do it. I've done it in Pitts and Stearmans and a
host of other birds. In my mind, we're paying respect to a fallen airman,
one of our own, military or otherwise. No one on this group is Robin Olds or
even in his, or his peer group's class and we don't have the right to say
the missing-man is reserved for military only. It's the military's right to
feel that way, but, in my mind, we're all aviators, that comes first, and a
sign of respect is a sign of respect.
On 10/27/08 6:16 PM, "Bill Geipel" <czech6@mesanetworks.net> wrote:
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> Okay then, I'll call the widow and let her know that we can't honor her
> request because, ??.
>
> I've moved on. You guys are wrong to not honor a request like this. But that
> is your right.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:15 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Bill, I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of callous to
> be asking the question that Tim did when a person has just passed who's
> loss will be felt by so many. Having recently just lost my own Mother,
> I am especially sensitive to something like that as well.
>
> That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so is
> Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement or not,
> the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military thing" as WELL
> as a "respect thing" and it has usually been reserved for military
> PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also morphed into being
> performed for military aircrew as well.
>
> For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in A-6A's
> and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having a missing
> man formation at my funeral.
>
> As another example, while I agree that everyone rates respect in death,
> that does not mean that they can be buried at Arlington National
> Cemetery just because they would like to be. They also do not get to
> have a 21 gun salute, even if they would like it and everyone agrees it
> would be touching and appreciated. In the same token, a missing man
> formation is reserved for those that qualify it, and it would certainly
> lesson it's meaning if it were performed simply out of respect, and
> without the military tradition from which it originated.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> USMC Retired
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
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> Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were
> just being curious as opposed to callus.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
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| Subject: | Re: trying to get felt up |
Jon,
You can purchase wool and synthetic felt in a variety of grades and thicknesses
from McMaster-Carr (see pages 3290?- 3292 of Catalog 112 for example).? Available
in sheets, strips, rolls, disks, etc.? But it can be a pain to cut neat circles
without using a die and press.? A good gasket cutter with a sharp blade
helps.
I don't know of anyone who could punch out the circles we need.
Looking at the prices of the raw materials, I think Doug's pre-cut sets are a pretty
good deal.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Boede <jonboede@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 5:42 pm
Subject: Yak-List: trying to get felt up
We have wheels for all sorts of Russian aircraft and towbars and whatnot.
All of them use the same felt grease seals that you see on Chang tires.
What's a good source for felt of various thicknesses (other than "Doug" ~ although
that's a good answer)... and what's the best way to cut it?? Is there a place
that you can order felt cut in the various diameters and thicknesses we need?
Thanks,
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Missing man formation |
Bill and Budd. You are both Americans. That gives both of you the
right as citizens of this country to do pretty much what you please
within the law of the land. The law of the land says nothing about
performing a Missing Man formation flight; TFR's aside. If you can get
enough people that think the same as you, not one of us that feels
otherwise is going to try and stop you.
And folks, let's make something perfectly clear regarding this issue.
Our failure to support this agenda is not a mark of disrespect for the
deceased, his widow, his family or his friends. It is NOT about
honoring "one of our own", a former civilian airman or for that matter a
truck driver. It IS about taking a method of tribute first shown by one
military airman for another, and then later adopted by all branches of
the military in almost every country on this entire planet for their own
military airman and then applying it to a civilian pilot.
If you would like you can also get some more folks to come to his
funeral with AR-15's dressed in pseudo uniforms and fire a 21 gun
salute. There is NO difference between the two issues. NONE. NOT ONE
BIT. BOTH represent a sign of respect for the deceased and what he
gave for his country. Performing either or both is ... at least as far
as I know ... within the law.
But when it is said and done, please do not try to lay any guilt trips
on those that think it is an improper use of a tradition that this
gentleman has not EARNED. When I use the word "earned" I do so in
comparison with say those that have "earned" the Medal of Honor and
those of us that have not. Those of us that have served in the
military, especially in combat, have each grasped what "earning"
something really means. Some of us earned only a little. Some of us
earned a lot. ALL of us respect each other whether the contribution was
small, or the contribution was one's life. So please excuse any of us
if we feel that no matter how good your intentions are, you are doing
something that is inappropriate and shows a lack of proper respect for
fallen military airman and as such we simply can not be a part of it.
Lastly, I refuse to have a guilt trip put at my feet over this issue
even if my own contribution to this country has been small. To feel
otherwise is to disrespect those that have given their ALL while serving
their country, and Mr. Geipel, I would rather face the widow than
dishonor the men and women that did that. It is your privilege to feel
that I am wrong. Don't ever forget who's lives gave you the ability to
have that opinion and I hope you honor them in your own way if not this
one.
Mark Bitterlich
USMC Retired
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Budd Davisson
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
If I were there, Bill, I'd do it. I've done it in Pitts and Stearmans
and a host of other birds. In my mind, we're paying respect to a fallen
airman, one of our own, military or otherwise. No one on this group is
Robin Olds or even in his, or his peer group's class and we don't have
the right to say the missing-man is reserved for military only. It's the
military's right to feel that way, but, in my mind, we're all aviators,
that comes first, and a sign of respect is a sign of respect.
On 10/27/08 6:16 PM, "Bill Geipel" <czech6@mesanetworks.net> wrote:
> --> <czech6@mesanetworks.net>
>
> Okay then, I'll call the widow and let her know that we can't honor
> her request because, ??.
>
> I've moved on. You guys are wrong to not honor a request like this.
> But that is your right.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
> Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:15 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
> --> Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Bill, I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of callous
> to be asking the question that Tim did when a person has just passed
> who's loss will be felt by so many. Having recently just lost my own
> Mother, I am especially sensitive to something like that as well.
>
> That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so
> is Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement or
> not, the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military thing"
> as WELL as a "respect thing" and it has usually been reserved for
> military PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also morphed
> into being performed for military aircrew as well.
>
> For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in
> A-6A's and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having a
> missing man formation at my funeral.
>
> As another example, while I agree that everyone rates respect in
> death, that does not mean that they can be buried at Arlington
> National Cemetery just because they would like to be. They also do
> not get to have a 21 gun salute, even if they would like it and
> everyone agrees it would be touching and appreciated. In the same
> token, a missing man formation is reserved for those that qualify it,
> and it would certainly lesson it's meaning if it were performed simply
> out of respect, and without the military tradition from which it
originated.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> USMC Retired
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
<czech6@mesanetworks.net>
>
> Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were
> just being curious as opposed to callus.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
>
> Was the guy a veteran?
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| Subject: | Re: Missing man formation |
randmyak52(at)bellsouth.n wrote:
> Could it be that some of our members need a life? How much can be said about
> a missing man & a desert Flt. suit?
> ---
????
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> ... the 52 is different than even the 50 on the air system. For example, if I
close the main air valve on my 50, it shuts off ALL the air even to the pop off
valve. Thus imagine my surprise when I closed the main air valve on the 52
and went to pull the cover off the pop-off valve only to have 700 PSI of air come
screaming out. SURPRISE!
Mark,
I understand that, functionally, the -50 air charging system has the same configuration
as a CJ. So regardless of whether the -50 main air valve is open or closed
it's the check valve between the PRV & air filter that's protecting you
when you work on upstream components. As you discovered without this check valve
a -52 needs to be de-pressurised first.
Rob R.
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| Subject: | Re: New to forum) |
Denny Hickman has all my ultimate toys...don't think I'll get there with the
downturn in the economic world thanks to Democrats and their subprime
fiasco!
He has a YAK-9. L-39, MiG-21, T-6 and had his latest toy at SERFI this past
SAT his P-51! She is painted in Col. Robin Olds' colors. The aircraft was
not the actual one that he flew but it is one that was in his squadron and
was flown on the same missions he flew on! Now that is my ultimate dream
toy!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: the JUDGE (Yak-List: Re: New to forum)
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
I should have known! :-) I can NEVER get something new that that gent
doesn't already have. Tj is the same way with his 50!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: the JUDGE (Yak-List: Re: New to forum)
Doc HAS one!
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: byronmfox <mailto:byronmfox@aol.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Wow!! http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm
On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:19:16 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det
Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Date: October 27, 2008 3:19:16 PM PDT
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Those who hate firearms, please do not read. DELETE NOW!
Doc, should we recommend that he carry a handgun? :-)
That opened a
HUGE argument LAST time!
On that note, I just got a neat new handgun that is
perfect for carry
during LONG cross countries. It is called "The Judge"
and is built by
Taurus. About the same size and heft as a S&W 65/66 .357
this one
fires the .45 Colt, OR.... A 2 1/2" standard .410
shotgun round! Fires
5 rounds, so you can go from 000 buck, to birdshot, and
then a few .45
Colt rounds for serious stuff. Kills snakes to birds...
All in one
handgun. Their new model handles 3" .410 magnums.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:34 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
--> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
YEP.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Bill1200
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:55 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
<billdykes52@gmail.com>
Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the
suggestions.
Space is obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in
the standard
"baggage" area?
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Copy! I have the 3" version. You are absolutely correct. At 25 ft with #4
shot (.410), it leaves a paper plate size hole in the target! Load #4 (.410)
alternating with .45 and you can stop any varmint quadruped or biped that
wish to do harm to your rosy pink. Since I have a pistol permit from my home
state with reciprocisity between 32 other states, I would take the pistol
with me. If I were making an extended cross country, "the Judge" would be
making the trip fitted nicely in the .38 holster on my survival vest along
with my sarsat gps personal elt, my ICOM hand held UHF radio (I have a PRC
90 also so it would be a tossup as to which one I take), locator flares,
personal strobe, survival mirror, fire starter kit, thermal blanket, Iodine
water purification pills, collapsible water pouch, a couple of 1 pint water
flask in the leg pocket of my flight suit or the helmet bag (can't take it
over the side if you have pickle the A/C in the helmet bag though), compass,
and survival knife. That is my personal survival gear. I would also carry
the tools previously mentioned and spare air in a pony tank along with the
hose/ fittings to recharge the system.
My two cents...Hell yes I would travel across the boonies armed.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Those who hate firearms, please do not read. DELETE NOW!
Doc, should we recommend that he carry a handgun? :-) That opened a
HUGE argument LAST time!
On that note, I just got a neat new handgun that is perfect for carry
during LONG cross countries. It is called "The Judge" and is built by
Taurus. About the same size and heft as a S&W 65/66 .357 this one
fires the .45 Colt, OR.... A 2 1/2" standard .410 shotgun round! Fires
5 rounds, so you can go from 000 buck, to birdshot, and then a few .45
Colt rounds for serious stuff. Kills snakes to birds... All in one
handgun. Their new model handles 3" .410 magnums.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
--> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
YEP.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill1200
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: New to forum
Flying back to Redding, northern Calif. Thanks for the suggestions.
Space is obviously limited. Will the pony bottle fit in the standard
"baggage" area?
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| Subject: | Re: Missing man formation |
Gotta admit it beats the shit out of watching the big three or the Clinton
News Network while they try to serve up their election cool-aid. As for the
missing man formation, I refer all to the URL Sent yesterday. It is a
military thing generally reserved for fallen aviators (read military that
fell while in performance of duty), medal of honor winners (read
potentates), Presidents or other state dignitaries. If I, as a serving
military aircrew, went out in the morning busted my ass (boxed) flying my
YAK or in some other act of buffoonery I would not get a missing man
formation flown by my squadron or any other squadron. That being no matter
how well I am or am not respected by my squadron, wing, state or civilian
community assuming there was any respect period. Now since we are talking
hypothetical here, if I went out tomorrow while flying a low level in our
ORI do an aileron roll at high alpha and low airspeed, depart the jet, and
auger into a 15-20 ft deep smoking hole, I would get a missing man formation
flown for my survivors (read wife and children). The point being the
aviators life was lost in the line of duty and warrants a missing man
formation. It is a military formation flown by military aircraft (generally
fighters...can't say I've ever seen a missing man flown by C-130 or C-5).
Now that would be impressive... for how long probably about as long as high
G (4) low altitude exceeding 60 degrees bank B-52 in Oregon terminating in
an impressive fireball. They (the aircrew) got a fly-by.
Anyway, its' a military thing created by the military generally for the
military. Even then, not every request for a missing man fly-by gets a
fly-by. Nothing personal, no disrespect meant, intended, or implied to this
well respected civilian's survivors and friends.
May his soul rest in peace along with this subject.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Langford
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
Could it be that some of our members need a life? How much can be said about
a missing man & a desert Flt. suit?
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID STROUD" <dstroud@storm.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>
> Not only can he compose a sensitive and sensible message, his punctuation
> and spelling are almost entirely correct too. A rare trait indeed. :-)
>
> David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> Fairchild 51 replica
> under construction C-FYXV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Forrest Johnson" <flushjohnson@charter.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
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>
>> <flushjohnson@charter.net>
>>
>> You have a wondarful way with words that most of us don't have.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:14 PM
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>>
>>
>>> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>
>>> Bill, I can understand your reaction in that it seems kind of callous to
>>> be asking the question that Tim did when a person has just passed who's
>>> loss will be felt by so many. Having recently just lost my own Mother,
>>> I am especially sensitive to something like that as well.
>>>
>>> That said, I am also a military veteran, and so is Tim Gagnon and so is
>>> Doc. That said, whether anyone else agrees with this statement or not,
>>> the fact is that the Missing Man Formation IS a "military thing" as WELL
>>> as a "respect thing" and it has usually been reserved for military
>>> PILOTS alone, although over the years it has also morphed into being
>>> performed for military aircrew as well.
>>>
>>> For example, while I do have some limited official time on log in A-6A's
>>> and EA-6A's as "aircrew", I really do not think I rate having a missing
>>> man formation at my funeral.
>>>
>>> As another example, while I agree that everyone rates respect in death,
>>> that does not mean that they can be buried at Arlington National
>>> Cemetery just because they would like to be. They also do not get to
>>> have a 21 gun salute, even if they would like it and everyone agrees it
>>> would be touching and appreciated. In the same token, a missing man
>>> formation is reserved for those that qualify it, and it would certainly
>>> lesson it's meaning if it were performed simply out of respect, and
>>> without the military tradition from which it originated.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>> USMC Retired
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:07 PM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>>>
>>>
>>> Who cares! It's a respect thing, not a military thing. I hope you were
>>> just being curious as opposed to callus.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:35 PM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
>>>
>>>
>>> Was the guy a veteran?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210299#210299
>>>
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I've flown a lot of missing man formations. Most of them have been at
airshows where it is done as part of the show dedication for our veterans i
n
general. I have done it for generals, Tuskeegee airmen, WW2 vets, VN vets
, Army,
Navy etc etc. I've also done it for "civilians". One of those that I lead
is the most memorable to me. It was for a lady, who was never in the servi
ce
nor a pilot. But everyone of us in the planes and her entire town thought
she was deserving enough. Her claim? She and her husband (B-17 pilot in t
he
8th AF) were the most active volunteers in our foundation. They were the
impetus of ideas that started the foundation in its direction. After her
husband passed, she continued doing everything in her power to support and
get
support for our bombers. She'd sewed up canvas for gun, cockpit, bomb rack
s,
bulkheads and seat cushions. She'd sell T-shirts, books, key chains, patch
es,
dud 50cal shells, flight jackets and rides - anything to keep the bombers
flying. She was the understanding greeter for the vets who showed up at th
e
airplanes. Mother confessor, nurse and commissary gal for us. She did thi
s for
19 years.
The day of the fly over this last March, found our B-17, B-24 and B-25
covered with 4" of snow. We worked all morning cleaning off that snow. Wh
en done
we were wet and cold and about an 1 and half hours late for our planned
takeoff. "Heck we'll do it anyway". I was chosen to lead. I used Google
Earth,
to find the her tiny town and it's only cemetery. I lead the flight some 4
0
nm to a point just north and turn us south. We were in echelon right with
the B-17 (her favorite airplane) in the middle. I lucked out, and hit the
cemetery right on the nose (no GPS, just piloting and some dead reckoning)
at
500'. At my call the B-17 pulled up hard, cleared the B-25, and rolled Wes
t.
My co-pilot was looking down. His words were "My God! Look at the people
down there". Though we were late our timing could not have been more perf
ect.
We were doing it for our selves but we learned later, that because of the
weather the ceremony had started late and our flyover happen not 10 seconds
after the minister had said the finals words. We were told there wasn't a d
ry
eye in all of Idable, OK. and quite frankly there were some tears in those
cockpits. This was the only way we could say good-by to Maudy. We say our
good-bys to loved ones in the best way we each know how. At least none of
them
didn't deserve it.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Don't we compensate for the different spring tensions with the adjusting nut?
Interestingly, I turned down my air pressure after a recent post about high air
pressure in the main and emergency tanks. My pressure was set at 55 atm and I
reset it to 45. I also removed and cleaned the "pop off' valve body, spring,
and installed a new piston. Since then I have had a similar leak/venting at engine
shutdown until about 30-35 atm when it stops and holds steady. I even tried
putting the old piston back in as the rubber on the new one looked a little
thin and misaligned....no change.
Since my system holds air with the main air valve shut off you'd think that I might
get the air bleeding down to that same 30-35 atm level when I turn the main
air back on a day later but I don't.
In any case, I can't imagine it's the spring but it must be, or like Mark mentioned,
maybe a small bit of contamination or pit on the sealing lip hmmm...
Keith
700HS
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Rob, you lost me here. In my 50 I can turn off the air valve and work on anything
in the aircraft. Check valve or not. For example, if I pull the pop off
valve apart and then turn on the air valve, air WILL come out of the PRV. If
I turn it off, the pressure stops. How does a check valve come into play here?
There is a check valve to keep air from back-flowing into the compressor line and
more past the PRV to prevent cross flow between the main and emergency bottles.
I am unsure of the one you refer to. Help!
In the 50, the emergency and the main air bottles are fed from the engine compressor.
Not so the 52. Does the CJ fill both air bottles from the compressor
as well?
Mark
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Rob Rowe
Sent: Mon 10/27/2008 11:13 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Leak
> ... the 52 is different than even the 50 on the air system. For example, if I
close the main air valve on my 50, it shuts off ALL the air even to the pop off
valve. Thus imagine my surprise when I closed the main air valve on the 52
and went to pull the cover off the pop-off valve only to have 700 PSI of air come
screaming out. SURPRISE!
Mark,
I understand that, functionally, the -50 air charging system has the same configuration
as a CJ. So regardless of whether the -50 main air valve is open or closed
it's the check valve between the PRV & air filter that's protecting you
when you work on upstream components. As you discovered without this check valve
a -52 needs to be de-pressurised first.
Rob R.
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| Subject: | Cool Nanchang & Yak low level fly by video |
Ck out this cool video of low level smoke passes with Nanchang and Yaks after the
Yuma Airshow.? With music!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l6blBglRGs
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| Subject: | Re: Missing man formation |
PAPPY, Thank You!
Tom & Nora Elliott
777 Quartz Ave
PMB 7004 Sandy Valley
NV. 89019
702-723-1223
Tom cell 702-595-2680
Nora cell 702-808-1316
CJ-6A NX63727
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Missing man formation
I've flown a lot of missing man formations. Most of them have been at
airshows where it is done as part of the show dedication for our veterans in
general. I have done it for generals, Tuskeegee airmen, WW2 vets, VN vets,
Army, Navy etc etc. I've also done it for "civilians". One of those that I
lead is the most memorable to me. It was for a lady, who was never in the
service nor a pilot. But everyone of us in the planes and her entire town
thought she was deserving enough. Her claim? She and her husband (B-17
pilot in the 8th AF) were the most active volunteers in our foundation.
They were the impetus of ideas that started the foundation in its direction.
After her husband passed, she continued doing everything in her power to
support and get support for our bombers. She'd sewed up canvas for gun,
cockpit, bomb racks, bulkheads and seat cushions. She'd sell T-shirts,
books, key chains, patches, dud 50cal shells, flight jackets and rides -
anything to keep the bombers flying. She was the understanding greeter for
the vets who showed up at the airplanes. Mother confessor, nurse and
commissary gal for us. She did this for 19 years.
The day of the fly over this last March, found our B-17, B-24 and B-25
covered with 4" of snow. We worked all morning cleaning off that snow.
When done we were wet and cold and about an 1 and half hours late for our
planned takeoff. "Heck we'll do it anyway". I was chosen to lead. I used
Google Earth, to find the her tiny town and it's only cemetery. I lead the
flight some 40 nm to a point just north and turn us south. We were in
echelon right with the B-17 (her favorite airplane) in the middle. I lucked
out, and hit the cemetery right on the nose (no GPS, just piloting and some
dead reckoning) at 500'. At my call the B-17 pulled up hard, cleared the
B-25, and rolled West. My co-pilot was looking down. His words were "My
God! Look at the people down there". Though we were late our timing could
not have been more perfect. We were doing it for our selves but we learned
later, that because of the weather the ceremony had started late and our
flyover happen not 10 seconds after the minister had said the finals words.
We were told there wasn't a dry eye in all of Idable, OK. and quite frankly
there were some tears in those cockpits. This was the only way we could say
good-by to Maudy. We say our good-bys to loved ones in the best way we each
know how. At least none of them didn't deserve it.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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