Today's Message Index:
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1. 07:51 AM - CJ goodies update (Barry Hancock)
2. 09:49 AM - Re: CJ goodies update (Gill Gutierrez)
3. 10:13 AM - Re: CJ goodies update (Sam Sax)
4. 10:18 AM - Re: CJ goodies update (John Cox)
5. 10:19 AM - Re: CJ goodies update (doug sapp)
6. 10:46 AM - norcal CJ6 (Aviatre)
7. 10:54 AM - Re: CJ goodies update (Gill Gutierrez)
8. 11:04 AM - Re: CJ goodies update (Gill Gutierrez)
9. 11:17 AM - Re: CJ goodies update (ByronMFox@aol.com)
10. 12:05 PM - Re: CJ goodies update (Terry Lewis)
11. 12:38 PM - Re: CJ goodies update (barryhancock)
12. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: CJ goodies update (Gill Gutierrez)
13. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Air Leak (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
14. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: CJ goodies update (Phil Goswick)
15. 02:27 PM - Re: CJ goodies update (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
16. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: Air Leak (A. Dennis Savarese)
17. 04:58 PM - Re: CJ goodies update (gjhagstrom@aol.com)
18. 05:20 PM - Recovery from loss of a wing- one very skilled dude! (Hal)
19. 05:32 PM - Disregard "Recovery from lost wing" - a fake (good one though). (Hal)
20. 05:39 PM - Re: Recovery from loss of a wing- one very skilled dude! (Phil)
21. 07:27 PM - Re: CJ goodies update (Craig Winkelmann)
22. 09:14 PM - Operational Questions (Dennis Von Ruden)
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| Subject: | CJ goodies update |
Gang,
We are just a few orders short to run the second set of pedal brackets for
the CJ...order now so you can have them by Christmas...or have your wife
order them. I'm sure more toys for your airplane is first on her list of
things to get you anyway. ;)
We've started in on the Yak rudder pedal mod. It is only slightly
different than the CJ bracket due to the difference in throw and the spar
to contend with. We should have the prototype soon. I'll keep you
posted.
Also, we have the first production set of 31 gallon aluminum tanks
completed and the installation is 95% done. It's been a process to get the
tanks where we want them, but it's looking very good now. We're working
on installations in 3 aircraft concurrently, so we should be pretty smart
on these things soon. You can email me off line for photos.
We have contracted with LP Aero for our Malcom Hood front and exclusive
one piece rear. They have been great to work with and their UV reducing
plastic is a great idea for our "green house" cockpits to protect the
interior and keep you from getting sunburned and overheated on those long
cross countries.
Finally, we are the exclusive distributor for the Aircraft Exhaust systems
stainless steel slip joint exhaust system for the Housai engine. The slip
joint system makes for easier installation, no clamps (which leak and
loosen, which means more CO in the cockpit). They have 3" extensions on
them as well to reduce CO levels.
Please contact me us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com if you would like
further information or to place an order.
Thanks,
Barry
--
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
office (909) 606-4444
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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| Subject: | CJ goodies update |
Barry,
I didn't think the YAK List was a marketing venue.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
<bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Gang,
We are just a few orders short to run the second set of pedal brackets for
the CJ...order now so you can have them by Christmas...or have your wife
order them. I'm sure more toys for your airplane is first on her list of
things to get you anyway. ;)
We've started in on the Yak rudder pedal mod. It is only slightly
different than the CJ bracket due to the difference in throw and the spar
to contend with. We should have the prototype soon. I'll keep you
posted.
Also, we have the first production set of 31 gallon aluminum tanks
completed and the installation is 95% done. It's been a process to get the
tanks where we want them, but it's looking very good now. We're working
on installations in 3 aircraft concurrently, so we should be pretty smart
on these things soon. You can email me off line for photos.
We have contracted with LP Aero for our Malcom Hood front and exclusive
one piece rear. They have been great to work with and their UV reducing
plastic is a great idea for our "green house" cockpits to protect the
interior and keep you from getting sunburned and overheated on those long
cross countries.
Finally, we are the exclusive distributor for the Aircraft Exhaust systems
stainless steel slip joint exhaust system for the Housai engine. The slip
joint system makes for easier installation, no clamps (which leak and
loosen, which means more CO in the cockpit). They have 3" extensions on
them as well to reduce CO levels.
Please contact me us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com if you would like
further information or to place an order.
Thanks,
Barry
--
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
office (909) 606-4444
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
7:59 AM
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| Subject: | CJ goodies update |
Gill,
As a long time YAK List dweller, my opinion is that new products and services announcement
are legit and very much of interest to our group - this list provide
Current information about the CJ/Yak world. Where else can we find out about
new products/services etc. Regular/frequest advertising on this List is another
matter. I don't think Barry is doing that.
FWIW,
Sam Sax
Miami
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gill Gutierrez <gill.g@gpimail.com>
>Sent: Oct 30, 2008 12:48 PM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
>
>
>Barry,
>
>I didn't think the YAK List was a marketing venue.
>
>Gill
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:51 AM
>To: Yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
>
><bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
>
>Gang,
>
>We are just a few orders short to run the second set of pedal brackets for
>the CJ...order now so you can have them by Christmas...or have your wife
>order them. I'm sure more toys for your airplane is first on her list of
>things to get you anyway. ;)
>
>We've started in on the Yak rudder pedal mod. It is only slightly
>different than the CJ bracket due to the difference in throw and the spar
>to contend with. We should have the prototype soon. I'll keep you
>posted.
>
>Also, we have the first production set of 31 gallon aluminum tanks
>completed and the installation is 95% done. It's been a process to get the
>tanks where we want them, but it's looking very good now. We're working
>on installations in 3 aircraft concurrently, so we should be pretty smart
>on these things soon. You can email me off line for photos.
>
>We have contracted with LP Aero for our Malcom Hood front and exclusive
>one piece rear. They have been great to work with and their UV reducing
>plastic is a great idea for our "green house" cockpits to protect the
>interior and keep you from getting sunburned and overheated on those long
>cross countries.
>
>Finally, we are the exclusive distributor for the Aircraft Exhaust systems
>stainless steel slip joint exhaust system for the Housai engine. The slip
>joint system makes for easier installation, no clamps (which leak and
>loosen, which means more CO in the cockpit). They have 3" extensions on
>them as well to reduce CO levels.
>
>Please contact me us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com if you would like
>further information or to place an order.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Barry
>
>
>--
>Barry Hancock
>Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
>office (909) 606-4444
>cell (949) 300-5510
>www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>
>
>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>7:59 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ goodies update |
As a User testimonial, I stand 6'3" and 240lbs, occasionally serve as a
GIB in Hal Morley's #8 (Chinese Yak). I was involved in the removal of
the old corroded factory pedals and installation of the shiny new ones.
I have 23+ flight hours on the retrofit operation. I can give the Good,
the Bad, the Ugly along with my final Grin assessment. If anyone wants
a testimonial before christmas '08, or would like me to talk to your
wife, please contact me at the offline email in the header above. If
she is a Trophy Wife, I can offer my cellphone and can Jump on the
airline at a moment's notice.
I have no connection with the Marketing of this product.
"Ducking for Incoming and Checking my Six".
John Cox - Oregon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gill Gutierrez
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
Barry,
I didn't think the YAK List was a marketing venue.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
<bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Gang,
We are just a few orders short to run the second set of pedal brackets
for
the CJ...order now so you can have them by Christmas...or have your wife
order them. I'm sure more toys for your airplane is first on her list
of
things to get you anyway. ;)
We've started in on the Yak rudder pedal mod. It is only slightly
different than the CJ bracket due to the difference in throw and the
spar
to contend with. We should have the prototype soon. I'll keep you
posted.
Also, we have the first production set of 31 gallon aluminum tanks
completed and the installation is 95% done. It's been a process to get
the
tanks where we want them, but it's looking very good now. We're working
on installations in 3 aircraft concurrently, so we should be pretty
smart
on these things soon. You can email me off line for photos.
We have contracted with LP Aero for our Malcom Hood front and exclusive
one piece rear. They have been great to work with and their UV reducing
plastic is a great idea for our "green house" cockpits to protect the
interior and keep you from getting sunburned and overheated on those
long
cross countries.
Finally, we are the exclusive distributor for the Aircraft Exhaust
systems
stainless steel slip joint exhaust system for the Housai engine. The
slip
joint system makes for easier installation, no clamps (which leak and
loosen, which means more CO in the cockpit). They have 3" extensions on
them as well to reduce CO levels.
Please contact me us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com if you would like
further information or to place an order.
Thanks,
Barry
--
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
office (909) 606-4444
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
7:59 AM
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| Subject: | Re: CJ goodies update |
Geeze Gil, I didn't hear any outcry from you when we (include me here) were
touting the benefits of your fuel cell mod.........or would you prefer
to read about rather we should have to wear flight suits at RPA functions or
not, or who can and who should not do missing man formations, or maybe watch
a video of some guy getting shot in the guts by his kid, is that more in
line with what you feel the list is for? No complints from you on those
topics. Christ man, What you did with your fuel cells and what Barry is
doing IS what this list is all about. Getting the word out about mods and
improvements is very important to the community at large. I have asked the
group on several occasions about rather or not they wanted to see my
postings about this type of subject and the only one nay sayer was the sharp
spoken gentleman from Ohio who is no longer in the Yak/CJ community. Most
all replied that if they didn't have an interest they would simply exercise
their god given right to delete, you can do the same. As in the past YMMV.
Always Yakin
Doug
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Gill Gutierrez <gill.g@gpimail.com> wrote:
>
> Barry,
>
> I didn't think the YAK List was a marketing venue.
>
> Gill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:51 AM
> To: Yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
>
> <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
>
> Gang,
>
> We are just a few orders short to run the second set of pedal brackets for
> the CJ...order now so you can have them by Christmas...or have your wife
> order them. I'm sure more toys for your airplane is first on her list of
> things to get you anyway. ;)
>
> We've started in on the Yak rudder pedal mod. It is only slightly
> different than the CJ bracket due to the difference in throw and the spar
> to contend with. We should have the prototype soon. I'll keep you
> posted.
>
> Also, we have the first production set of 31 gallon aluminum tanks
> completed and the installation is 95% done. It's been a process to get the
> tanks where we want them, but it's looking very good now. We're working
> on installations in 3 aircraft concurrently, so we should be pretty smart
> on these things soon. You can email me off line for photos.
>
> We have contracted with LP Aero for our Malcom Hood front and exclusive
> one piece rear. They have been great to work with and their UV reducing
> plastic is a great idea for our "green house" cockpits to protect the
> interior and keep you from getting sunburned and overheated on those long
> cross countries.
>
> Finally, we are the exclusive distributor for the Aircraft Exhaust systems
> stainless steel slip joint exhaust system for the Housai engine. The slip
> joint system makes for easier installation, no clamps (which leak and
> loosen, which means more CO in the cockpit). They have 3" extensions on
> them as well to reduce CO levels.
>
> Please contact me us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com if you would like
> further information or to place an order.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Barry
>
>
> --
> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> office (909) 606-4444
> cell (949) 300-5510
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> 7:59 AM
>
>
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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I am looking to sell a partial interest in my CJ. It is hangared at 01CL ( 5 north
of Placerville)
Anyone interested call or email.
Frank Surfas
A/C Heating & Refrigeration By Frank Surfas
Quality Service and installations since 1977
(530) 644-0272
fax (530) 344-7129
Cell (530) 391-9760
Ca contractors license #354595
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| Subject: | CJ goodies update |
John,
That's a great testimonial which does belongs on the YAK List. I just don't
think taking orders and using the list as a customer communication venue is
right. Perhaps I too should alert everyone on the YAK List that I provide
fuel cells for both the YAK52's and CJ's. There are 30 CJ installations and
6 YAK installations without a problem.
I'm on the YAK List because it keeps me informed issues fellow owners are
encountering.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
As a User testimonial, I stand 6'3" and 240lbs, occasionally serve as a
GIB in Hal Morley's #8 (Chinese Yak). I was involved in the removal of
the old corroded factory pedals and installation of the shiny new ones.
I have 23+ flight hours on the retrofit operation. I can give the Good,
the Bad, the Ugly along with my final Grin assessment. If anyone wants
a testimonial before christmas '08, or would like me to talk to your
wife, please contact me at the offline email in the header above. If
she is a Trophy Wife, I can offer my cellphone and can Jump on the
airline at a moment's notice.
I have no connection with the Marketing of this product.
"Ducking for Incoming and Checking my Six".
John Cox - Oregon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gill Gutierrez
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
Barry,
I didn't think the YAK List was a marketing venue.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
<bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Gang,
We are just a few orders short to run the second set of pedal brackets
for
the CJ...order now so you can have them by Christmas...or have your wife
order them. I'm sure more toys for your airplane is first on her list
of
things to get you anyway. ;)
We've started in on the Yak rudder pedal mod. It is only slightly
different than the CJ bracket due to the difference in throw and the
spar
to contend with. We should have the prototype soon. I'll keep you
posted.
Also, we have the first production set of 31 gallon aluminum tanks
completed and the installation is 95% done. It's been a process to get
the
tanks where we want them, but it's looking very good now. We're working
on installations in 3 aircraft concurrently, so we should be pretty
smart
on these things soon. You can email me off line for photos.
We have contracted with LP Aero for our Malcom Hood front and exclusive
one piece rear. They have been great to work with and their UV reducing
plastic is a great idea for our "green house" cockpits to protect the
interior and keep you from getting sunburned and overheated on those
long
cross countries.
Finally, we are the exclusive distributor for the Aircraft Exhaust
systems
stainless steel slip joint exhaust system for the Housai engine. The
slip
joint system makes for easier installation, no clamps (which leak and
loosen, which means more CO in the cockpit). They have 3" extensions on
them as well to reduce CO levels.
Please contact me us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com if you would like
further information or to place an order.
Thanks,
Barry
--
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
office (909) 606-4444
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
7:59 AM
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
7:59 AM
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| Subject: | CJ goodies update |
Doug,
You sell more stuff for CJ than anyone else. I have always seen you respond
questions as you should and not advertise.
Gill
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
Geeze Gil, I didn't hear any outcry from you when we (include me here) were
touting the benefits of your fuel cell mod.........or would you prefer to
read about rather we should have to wear flight suits at RPA functions or
not, or who can and who should not do missing man formations, or maybe watch
a video of some guy getting shot in the guts by his kid, is that more in
line with what you feel the list is for? No complints from you on those
topics. Christ man, What you did with your fuel cells and what Barry is
doing IS what this list is all about. Getting the word out about mods and
improvements is very important to the community at large. I have asked the
group on several occasions about rather or not they wanted to see my
postings about this type of subject and the only one nay sayer was the sharp
spoken gentleman from Ohio who is no longer in the Yak/CJ community. Most
all replied that if they didn't have an interest they would simply exercise
their god given right to delete, you can do the same. As in the past YMMV.
Always Yakin
Doug
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Gill Gutierrez <gill.g@gpimail.com> wrote:
Barry,
I didn't think the YAK List was a marketing venue.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
<bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Gang,
We are just a few orders short to run the second set of pedal brackets for
the CJ...order now so you can have them by Christmas...or have your wife
order them. I'm sure more toys for your airplane is first on her list of
things to get you anyway. ;)
We've started in on the Yak rudder pedal mod. It is only slightly
different than the CJ bracket due to the difference in throw and the spar
to contend with. We should have the prototype soon. I'll keep you
posted.
Also, we have the first production set of 31 gallon aluminum tanks
completed and the installation is 95% done. It's been a process to get the
tanks where we want them, but it's looking very good now. We're working
on installations in 3 aircraft concurrently, so we should be pretty smart
on these things soon. You can email me off line for photos.
We have contracted with LP Aero for our Malcom Hood front and exclusive
one piece rear. They have been great to work with and their UV reducing
plastic is a great idea for our "green house" cockpits to protect the
interior and keep you from getting sunburned and overheated on those long
cross countries.
Finally, we are the exclusive distributor for the Aircraft Exhaust systems
stainless steel slip joint exhaust system for the Housai engine. The slip
joint system makes for easier installation, no clamps (which leak and
loosen, which means more CO in the cockpit). They have 3" extensions on
them as well to reduce CO levels.
Please contact me us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com if you would like
further information or to place an order.
Thanks,
Barry
--
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
office (909) 606-4444
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com <http://www.worldwidewarbirds.com/>
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/>
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Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Re: CJ goodies update |
Thanks for the outdate, Barry. I love my CJ rudder peddle mod, and want to
remain abreast of everything your doing. Never hesitate to keep us informed.
...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: CJ goodies update |
Keep the updates coming Barry.
Terry Lewis
----- Original Message -----
From: ByronMFox@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
Thanks for the outdate, Barry. I love my CJ rudder peddle mod, and
want to remain abreast of everything your doing. Never hesitate to keep
us informed. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: CJ goodies update |
Guys,
Thanks for the support. Gil, thanks for validating our product. ;)
This list is about sharing information, innovation, troubleshooting, hangar stories,
lies, safety, politics (aviation related, of course), and MM lore, amongst
many others.
I'll do my best to keep CJ and Yak drivers informed of products and services we
offer to the community.
Regards,
Barry
--------
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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Barry,
You're welcome.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of barryhancock
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:38 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ goodies update
<bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Guys,
Thanks for the support. Gil, thanks for validating our product. ;)
This list is about sharing information, innovation, troubleshooting, hangar
stories, lies, safety, politics (aviation related, of course), and MM lore,
amongst many others.
I'll do my best to keep CJ and Yak drivers informed of products and services
we offer to the community.
Regards,
Barry
--------
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211244#211244
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
7:59 AM
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Roger that. And the bottom line is I have no idea why they would use a
different diameter valve. Dennis, have you run into this at all?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Air Leak
"....my GUESS is that since the 52TW was actually (re)made in a
different country." One small correction Mark. The 52TW was also made
in Romania at the same Aerostar factory as the standard 52's.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mailto:mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Air Leak
Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
For lack of a better term: "Oh shit".
Steve, a few years ago a fellow came by New Bern with a YAK-52TW
that
needed a new cylinder on the engine. While he was here, I spent
a
number of hours going over the airplane and looking at the
differences
between it, and a standard 52. One way or another we got around
to
adjusting his pop-off valve to set the air pressure correctly.
I told
him I had a spare piston and spring if he needed it.
Well.. Not so fast. When I went to look at the Pop Off Valve,
or
Pressure Regulating Valve, (whatever the proper term is), I
IMMEDIATELY
noticed this his valve was NOT the same as the ones I had worked
on and
had spare parts for. The YAK-52, 55, 50, CJ, Sukhoi 26, 29 and
31 all
have pretty much the same piston and spring, as long as you
change them
as a pair. The 52TW is DIFFERENT! I have not a clue in the
world as to
why this is, but my GUESS is that since the 52TW was actually
(re)made
in a different country, they used a pop-off valve that they had
on hand.
Heck, it could even be a BETTER one for all I know.
The difference is in the diameter of the piston for SURE. If
you use a
piston from Doug or someone else, it is just going to go in
there and
rattle around and it will NOT seal correctly. This is why you
are
having your problem.
I see two answers... Aerostar in Romania for a new one, or...
Find your
original and try to put a new "top" on it per se.
And lastly, there is another alternative. I can't remember if
it was
Hubie Tolson's Suke 31 or Sergei Boriaks old 31, but one of them
had an
AMERICAN MADE pressure relief valve. This puppy was made from
stainless
steel and had an adjustable pressure assy, with a pull ring
relief
fixture. I did some research on it, and found that a new one
cost $800.
I quickly gave up on it after that, but .... It sure worked and
it NEVER
goes bad (in comparison to what we have now anyway) You might
want to
go that route if all else fails.
Bottom line though, that is why you are leaking, without a
shadow of a
doubt.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mozam
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:43 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Leak
mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m wrote:
> Doug Sapp.
>
> By the way, your aircraft is NOT a YAK "W" model of any kind
is it?
> Like a YAK-52TW, or a YAK-52W ??? They use a totally
different Pop
> off valve that is uses a larger piston (in diameter) than the
YAK-50,
> 52 or Suke 26/29/31.
>
> The CJ piston is different in height and spring seating depth.
I
> believe I mentioned that it is unwise to use a YAK spring with
a CJ
> piston, but maybe not. In any case... Yep, replace the
spring.
>
> Mark
>
> P.s. Also,.... Ever consider that you might have a leak
somewhere
ELSE?
>
>
> P.p.s. What are you flying exactly? Excuse me for not
> remembering!!!!!!!!!
> --
Mark,
Yes, it's -52TW. Explains why it has the bigger piston (which
was news
to me...thanks)
Doug Sapp told me he has no springs.
The leak is obvious (you can hear it, and see the bubbles with
soapy
water use). I checked and found no other leaks.
Cheers,
Steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211039#211039
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thank you
Phil Goswick
----- Original Message -----
From: "barryhancock" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ goodies update
> <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
>
> Guys,
>
> Thanks for the support. Gil, thanks for validating our product. ;)
>
> This list is about sharing information, innovation, troubleshooting,
> hangar stories, lies, safety, politics (aviation related, of course), and
> MM lore, amongst many others.
>
> I'll do my best to keep CJ and Yak drivers informed of products and
> services we offer to the community.
>
> Regards,
>
> Barry
>
> --------
> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211244#211244
>
>
>
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Doug,
Make sure you tell the poor man what you REALLY think.
Adding another vote to the list.... I would rather see stuff like this,
even if it is FLAGRANT ADVERTISING (which this was NOT) than to read one
more word about MMF's MMO, FS's, Parachutes, Formation Flight (of any
freaking kind), or RPA issues.
There, now I have gone and done it (AGAIN)! Well... Let me take that
back. I always love hearing more good stories about Marvel Mystery Oil,
simply because it smells so darn good! Real men splash it on their
Flight Suits (FS's) before attending RPA functions, try to avoid the
parachutes though.
To be SPECIFIC:
1. I would like to see an article written by Bill Blackwell on his M-14
engine piston and cylinder conversion package.
2. I would like to see an article on spark plug wire conversion kits.
All of them.
3. Info on where 50 drivers are currently getting chevron (and other)
seals for their landing gear actuators.
4. A report by Tom Johnson on the FW-190 prop he has on his 50 and how
it is holding up and a report on performance.
5. Knowledge on hyd. Brake conversions for any of the YAK or CJ models.
6. Discussion on how to replace the DNP-200 Combined Device without
performing the $1000 ++ B&C Alternator mod. If you own a YAK, you
better start thinking about this!
7. Etc.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
Geeze Gil, I didn't hear any outcry from you when we (include me here)
were touting the benefits of your fuel cell mod.........or would you
prefer to read about rather we should have to wear flight suits at RPA
functions or not, or who can and who should not do missing man
formations, or maybe watch a video of some guy getting shot in the guts
by his kid, is that more in line with what you feel the list is for? No
complints from you on those topics. Christ man, What you did with your
fuel cells and what Barry is doing IS what this list is all about.
Getting the word out about mods and improvements is very important to
the community at large. I have asked the group on several occasions
about rather or not they wanted to see my postings about this type of
subject and the only one nay sayer was the sharp spoken gentleman from
Ohio who is no longer in the Yak/CJ community. Most all replied that if
they didn't have an interest they would simply exercise their god given
right to delete, you can do the same. As in the past YMMV.
Always Yakin
Doug
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Gill Gutierrez <gill.g@gpimail.com>
wrote:
<gill.g@gpimail.com>
Barry,
I didn't think the YAK List was a marketing venue.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Hancock
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:51 AM
To: Yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
<bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Gang,
We are just a few orders short to run the second set of pedal
brackets for
the CJ...order now so you can have them by Christmas...or have
your wife
order them. I'm sure more toys for your airplane is first on
her list of
things to get you anyway. ;)
We've started in on the Yak rudder pedal mod. It is only
slightly
different than the CJ bracket due to the difference in throw and
the spar
to contend with. We should have the prototype soon. I'll keep
you
posted.
Also, we have the first production set of 31 gallon aluminum
tanks
completed and the installation is 95% done. It's been a process
to get the
tanks where we want them, but it's looking very good now. We're
working
on installations in 3 aircraft concurrently, so we should be
pretty smart
on these things soon. You can email me off line for photos.
We have contracted with LP Aero for our Malcom Hood front and
exclusive
one piece rear. They have been great to work with and their UV
reducing
plastic is a great idea for our "green house" cockpits to
protect the
interior and keep you from getting sunburned and overheated on
those long
cross countries.
Finally, we are the exclusive distributor for the Aircraft
Exhaust systems
stainless steel slip joint exhaust system for the Housai engine.
The slip
joint system makes for easier installation, no clamps (which
leak and
loosen, which means more CO in the cockpit). They have 3"
extensions on
them as well to reduce CO levels.
Please contact me us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com if you would
like
further information or to place an order.
Thanks,
Barry
--
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
office (909) 606-4444
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com <http://www.worldwidewarbirds.com/>
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/>
7:59 AM
ties such as List Un/Subscription,
tronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
ms.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
====
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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Not really.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Air Leak
Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Roger that. And the bottom line is I have no idea why they would use
a
different diameter valve. Dennis, have you run into this at all?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:32 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Air Leak
"....my GUESS is that since the 52TW was actually (re)made in a
different country." One small correction Mark. The 52TW was also
made
in Romania at the same Aerostar factory as the standard 52's.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
<mailto:mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Air Leak
Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
For lack of a better term: "Oh shit".
Steve, a few years ago a fellow came by New Bern with a YAK-52TW
that
needed a new cylinder on the engine. While he was here, I spent
a
number of hours going over the airplane and looking at the
differences
between it, and a standard 52. One way or another we got around
to
adjusting his pop-off valve to set the air pressure correctly.
I told
him I had a spare piston and spring if he needed it.
Well.. Not so fast. When I went to look at the Pop Off Valve,
or
Pressure Regulating Valve, (whatever the proper term is), I
IMMEDIATELY
noticed this his valve was NOT the same as the ones I had worked
on and
had spare parts for. The YAK-52, 55, 50, CJ, Sukhoi 26, 29 and
31 all
have pretty much the same piston and spring, as long as you
change them
as a pair. The 52TW is DIFFERENT! I have not a clue in the
world as to
why this is, but my GUESS is that since the 52TW was actually
(re)made
in a different country, they used a pop-off valve that they had
on hand.
Heck, it could even be a BETTER one for all I know.
The difference is in the diameter of the piston for SURE. If
you use a
piston from Doug or someone else, it is just going to go in
there and
rattle around and it will NOT seal correctly. This is why you
are
having your problem.
I see two answers... Aerostar in Romania for a new one, or...
Find your
original and try to put a new "top" on it per se.
And lastly, there is another alternative. I can't remember if
it was
Hubie Tolson's Suke 31 or Sergei Boriaks old 31, but one of them
had an
AMERICAN MADE pressure relief valve. This puppy was made from
stainless
steel and had an adjustable pressure assy, with a pull ring
relief
fixture. I did some research on it, and found that a new one
cost $800.
I quickly gave up on it after that, but .... It sure worked and
it NEVER
goes bad (in comparison to what we have now anyway) You might
want to
go that route if all else fails.
Bottom line though, that is why you are leaking, without a
shadow of a
doubt.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mozam
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:43 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Leak
mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m wrote:
> Doug Sapp.
>
> By the way, your aircraft is NOT a YAK "W" model of any kind
is it?
> Like a YAK-52TW, or a YAK-52W ??? They use a totally
different Pop
> off valve that is uses a larger piston (in diameter) than the
YAK-50,
> 52 or Suke 26/29/31.
>
> The CJ piston is different in height and spring seating depth.
I
> believe I mentioned that it is unwise to use a YAK spring with
a CJ
> piston, but maybe not. In any case... Yep, replace the
spring.
>
> Mark
>
> P.s. Also,.... Ever consider that you might have a leak
somewhere
ELSE?
>
>
> P.p.s. What are you flying exactly? Excuse me for not
> remembering!!!!!!!!!
> --
Mark,
Yes, it's -52TW. Explains why it has the bigger piston (which
was news
to me...thanks)
Doug Sapp told me he has no springs.
The leak is obvious (you can hear it, and see the bubbles with
soapy
water use). I checked and found no other leaks.
Cheers,
Steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211039#211039
http://www.matronicsnbsp; via the Web
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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I? vote for this also ...................
?
Gary
N34FP (CJ6A)
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 1:26 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Doug,
Make sure you tell the poor man what you REALLY think.
Adding another vote to the list.... I would rather see stuff like this,
even if it is FLAGRANT ADVERTISING (which this was NOT) than to read one
more word about MMF's MMO, FS's, Parachutes, Formation Flight (of any
freaking kind), or RPA issues.
There, now I have gone and done it (AGAIN)! Well... Let me take that
back. I always love hearing more good stories about Marvel Mystery Oil,
simply because it smells so darn good! Real men splash it on their
Flight Suits (FS's) before attending RPA functions, try to avoid the
parachutes though.
To be SPECIFIC:
1. I would like to see an article written by Bill Blackwell on his M-14
engine piston and cylinder conversion package.
2. I would like to see an article on spark plug wire conversion kits.
All of them.
3. Info on where 50 drivers are currently getting chevron (and other)
seals for their landing gear actuators.
4. A report by Tom Johnson on the FW-190 prop he has on his 50 and how
it is holding up and a report on performance.
5. Knowledge on hyd. Brake conversions for any of the YAK or CJ models.
6. Discussion on how to replace the DNP-200 Combined Device without
performing the $1000 ++ B&C Alternator mod. If you own a YAK, you
better start thinking about this!
7. Etc.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
Geeze Gil, I didn't hear any outcry from you when we (include me here)
were touting the benefits of your fuel cell mod.........or would you
prefer to read about rather we should have to wear flight suits at RPA
functions or not, or who can and who should not do missing man
formations, or maybe watch a video of some guy getting shot in the guts
by his kid, is that more in line with what you feel the list is for? No
complints from you on those topics. Christ man, What you did with your
fuel cells and what Barry is doing IS what this list is all about.
Getting the word out about mods and improvements is very important to
the community at large. I have asked the group on several occasions
about rather or not they wanted to see my postings about this type of
subject and the only one nay sayer was the sharp spoken gentleman from
Ohio who is no longer in the Yak/CJ community. Most all replied that if
they didn't have an interest they would simply exercise their god given
right to delete, you can do the same. As in the past YMMV.
Always Yakin
Doug
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Gill Gutierrez <gill.g@gpimail.com>
wrote:
<gill.g@gpimail.com>
Barry,
I didn't think the YAK List was a marketing venue.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Hancock
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:51 AM
To: Yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: CJ goodies update
<bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Gang,
We are just a few orders short to run the second set of pedal
brackets for
the CJ...order now so you can have them by Christmas...or have
your wife
order them. I'm sure more toys for your airplane is first on
her list of
things to get you anyway. ;)
We've started in on the Yak rudder pedal mod. It is only
slightly
different than the CJ bracket due to the difference in throw and
the spar
to contend with. We should have the prototype soon. I'll keep
you
posted.
Also, we have the first production set of 31 gallon aluminum
tanks
completed and the installation is 95% done. It's been a process
to get the
tanks where we want them, but it's looking very good now. We're
working
on installations in 3 aircraft concurrently, so we should be
pretty smart
on these things soon. You can email me off line for photos.
We have contracted with LP Aero for our Malcom Hood front and
exclusive
one piece rear. They have been great to work with and their UV
reducing
plastic is a great idea for our "green house" cockpits to
protect the
interior and keep you from getting sunburned and overheated on
those long
cross countries.
Finally, we are the exclusive distributor for the Aircraft
Exhaust systems
stainless steel slip joint exhaust system for the Housai engine.
The slip
joint system makes for easier installation, no clamps (which
leak and
loosen, which means more CO in the cockpit). They have 3"
extensions on
them as well to reduce CO levels.
Please contact me us at info@worldwidewarbirds.com if you would
like
further information or to place an order.
Thanks,
Barry
--
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
office (909) 606-4444
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com <http://www.worldwidewarbirds.com/>
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/>
7:59 AM
ties such as List Un/Subscription,
tronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
ms.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
====
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Recovery from loss of a wing- one very skilled dude! |
This is one very cool pilot.
http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html
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| Subject: | Disregard "Recovery from lost wing" - a fake (good one though). |
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| Subject: | Recovery from loss of a wing- one very skilled dude! |
HOLLY F"N SHIT!!
What a cool head.
Phil 'Shortbus' Cogan
Nanchang CJ6A
N21740
SB-Stamp
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Mark:
Those are excellent suggestions on topics. I'm sure we'll see some of them covered
in the RPA Red Alert in the future.
Craig
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| Subject: | Operational Questions |
I am a relatively new CJ driver, having just obtained enough dual
instruction time to allow be to satisfy my insurance requirements for
solo. There is a lot of information pertaining to power settings out
there, but also some conflicting information.
I'm looking for some advice from you seasoned drivers regarding:
1) A good economy cruise setting (pressure and RPM)
2) A good high speed cruise setting (i.e.: 25" and 2250 RPM)
3) What is the ideal cylinder head temperature range to maintain? I
have an EDM 700 installed.
Thanks for your assistance
Dennis Von Ruden
General Equipment Company
507.451.5510 (P)
507.451.5511 (F)
dvonruden@generalequip.com
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