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| Subject: | Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions |
Who said. "the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers"? A CJ
owner? Common guys....don't scare the guy off. The airplane was a
trainer! Read again....trainer. Primary and aerobatic up through
intermediate levels of aerobatics. It was not designed to kill people.
People were trained in this airplane that never touched or felt and
airplane before in their lives. To say the Yak can bite you during
aerobatic maneuvers is clearly over stated. ANY airplane can bite you
if not flown correctly, particularly during aerobatics. Proper training
is the key.
Contact me off-list if you want to discuss the benefits of either of
these two fine airplanes.
Dennis
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From: AKMac
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping me
out. One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during aerobatic
maneuvers. Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that the Yak
has?
I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just looking
for a weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a cross
country people hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which puts it
into my airplane budget.
Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if you
have any advice. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211913#211913
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| Subject: | Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions |
So why is it a problem with the airplanes flight characteristics when
you pull more G's than your body can handle and lose consciousness?
Dennis
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From: Jan Mevis
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Of course, I ment "consciousness" instead of "conscience". Loosing the
second one, would be nasty ...
My native tongue isn't English ...
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 8:12
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
The Yak can indeed bite hard during aerobatics. The first times I flew
my
Yak 50, it was scaring, to be honest. I once lost conscience
completely
pulling a LOT of G's at a high speed, but was lucky to be high up in
the
sky. Now I've learned to control it better. And I definitely pay
attention
not pulling too much G-s. Not only for my own sake, but also for the
aircraft. So I never do more than +6 and -4.
I'd go only for gentile, sportsman aerobatics in a Yak 50, not even at
82%
settings. For flying aerobatics at a higher level, I prefer the Pitts
or the
Extra. Although a friend of mine flies the Yak 52 in Intermediate
competition, and occasionaly even wins it.
Jan
YK50 RA2005K
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AKMac
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 5:13
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping me
out.
One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during aerobatic
maneuvers.
Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that the Yak has?
I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just looking
for a
weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a cross country
people
hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which puts it into my
airplane
budget.
Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if you
have
any advice. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211913#211913
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| Subject: | Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions |
I agree with Jan.
The Yak 52 cannot be that bad for Aerobatics because the FAI is organising the
2nd Yak 52 World Aerobatic Championship in 2009 :
http://events.fai.org/aerobatics/details.asp?id=4928
The 1st FAI Yak 52 World Aerobatic Championship (Yak WAC 2008) took place in
Novosibirsk, Russia last August :
http://www.wayakc2008.ru/
Regarding "biting during Aerobatics" ...
ANY (aerobatic) aircraft can do that !
Get training from the Russians if you can (!!) ...
or from an Flight Instructor who has good experience on the 52.
Cheers,
Etienne.
http://www.pilotmarket.com/exams/Freelance_Flight_Instructors/listing-2904-11202.html
PS : Glad you recovered your "conscience" Jan ... ;-))
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Sujet : RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Of course, I ment "consciousness" instead of "conscience". Loosing the
second one, would be nasty ...
My native tongue isn't English ...
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 8:12
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
The Yak can indeed bite hard during aerobatics. The first times I flew my
Yak 50, it was scaring, to be honest. I once lost conscience completely
pulling a LOT of G's at a high speed, but was lucky to be high up in the
sky. Now I've learned to control it better. And I definitely pay attention
not pulling too much G-s. Not only for my own sake, but also for the
aircraft. So I never do more than +6 and -4.
I'd go only for gentile, sportsman aerobatics in a Yak 50, not even at 82%
settings. For flying aerobatics at a higher level, I prefer the Pitts or the
Extra. Although a friend of mine flies the Yak 52 in Intermediate
competition, and occasionaly even wins it.
Jan
YK50 RA2005K
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AKMac
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 5:13
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping me out.
One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers.
Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that the Yak has?
I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just looking for a
weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a cross country people
hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which puts it into my airplane
budget.
Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if you have
any advice. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211913#211913
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| Subject: | Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions |
With great respect to Dennis,a 52 can "bite" and indeed bite hard if
mis-handled,particulrly in terms of recovery from a well-developed spin.
Of course,with the correct training,this should not ever be a problem.
However there are not vast numbers of instructors with the correct
experience to instruct this spin-recovery,and,more relevant,relatively
small numbers of owners/pilots of these planes bother to have this typpe
of instruction.
If I had doubts about the 52,I would not sell them as enthusiasticly as
I do,but I an very conscious of the need for PROPER training with
qualified instructors before aerobatics in the 52.Also,it is sensitive
to rearward C of G,and DOSAAF 52's were not allowed more thn 90
kgs,including parachute in either cockpit[that's about 198 lbs.]
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Who said. "the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers"? A CJ
owner? Common guys....don't scare the guy off. The airplane was a
trainer! Read again....trainer. Primary and aerobatic up through
intermediate levels of aerobatics. It was not designed to kill people.
People were trained in this airplane that never touched or felt and
airplane before in their lives. To say the Yak can bite you during
aerobatic maneuvers is clearly over stated. ANY airplane can bite you
if not flown correctly, particularly during aerobatics. Proper training
is the key.
Contact me off-list if you want to discuss the benefits of either of
these two fine airplanes.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: AKMac
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping
me out. One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during
aerobatic maneuvers. Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that
the Yak has?
I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just
looking for a weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a
cross country people hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which
puts it into my airplane budget.
Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if
you have any advice. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211913#211913
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| Subject: | Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions |
I meant : I agree with Dennis, Jan.
If you loose consciousness, Jan, YOU have pulled to hard.
NOT the aircraft's fault !
An like Dennis says : (conversion) training is indeed the key.
Cheers.
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| Subject: | Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions |
With the same respect to you as well Richard, proper training is the key
as you and I have both clearly stated. However, for someone to simply
say the aircraft can bite you during aerobatics, without any sort of
clarification, is unjustified and can be interpreted incorrectly. You
have clarified the issue for the unknowing and uninformed and I thank
you for that.
Dennis
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From: Richard Goode
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
With great respect to Dennis,a 52 can "bite" and indeed bite hard if
mis-handled,particulrly in terms of recovery from a well-developed spin.
Of course,with the correct training,this should not ever be a problem.
However there are not vast numbers of instructors with the correct
experience to instruct this spin-recovery,and,more relevant,relatively
small numbers of owners/pilots of these planes bother to have this typpe
of instruction.
If I had doubts about the 52,I would not sell them as enthusiasticly
as I do,but I an very conscious of the need for PROPER training with
qualified instructors before aerobatics in the 52.Also,it is sensitive
to rearward C of G,and DOSAAF 52's were not allowed more thn 90
kgs,including parachute in either cockpit[that's about 198 lbs.]
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Who said. "the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers"? A CJ
owner? Common guys....don't scare the guy off. The airplane was a
trainer! Read again....trainer. Primary and aerobatic up through
intermediate levels of aerobatics. It was not designed to kill people.
People were trained in this airplane that never touched or felt and
airplane before in their lives. To say the Yak can bite you during
aerobatic maneuvers is clearly over stated. ANY airplane can bite you
if not flown correctly, particularly during aerobatics. Proper training
is the key.
Contact me off-list if you want to discuss the benefits of either of
these two fine airplanes.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: AKMac
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you
helping me out. One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during
aerobatic maneuvers. Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that
the Yak has?
I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just
looking for a weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a
cross country people hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which
puts it into my airplane budget.
Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if
you have any advice. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211913#211913
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| Subject: | Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions |
Hi AKMac flying acro in the Yak 52, the one thing that I found would have d
efinitely killed the airplane (without proper training) "the flat spin". Ha
d-I entered one prior to training the airplane would be in pieces, always
practice acro HI HI HI and look at the NTSB reports regularly. Regular spi
ns upright and inverted are non events but let it go flat and not knowing t
he proper procedure and control inputs the airplane will not come out. Got
my training with Nikolay Timofeev. The Yak 52 has taught me a lot about fly
ing.=0ABill Wade=0AN4450Y=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFro
m: AKMac <macjohnson@gmail.com>=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday
, November 2, 2008 11:12:50 PM=0ASubject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-5
l.com>=0A=0AThanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you hel
ping me out. One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during aeroba
tic maneuvers. Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that the Yak
has?=0A=0AI see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just loo
king for a weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a cross coun
try people hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which puts it into my
airplane budget.=0A=0AAny buyers guides, or things to look for would be qui
te helpful if you have any advice. Thanks.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic on
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| Subject: | Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions |
NOW, I agree with Dennis AND Richard.
It boils down to TRAINING.
I teach Unusual attitudes & Spin Recovery (after teaching Spin entry sometimes
!) -
"normal" plain vanilla spins, competition spins, accelerated, FLAT - upright &
inverted.
http://www.forseilles.net/gallery/sanicole/B2V0752
http://www.yak52.fr/topic11/Yak52FLATSPIN.jpg
And for that I have to sit in the back seat sometimes !
With a good parachute and never below 3000ft AGL.
And indeed the 52 is a FANTASTIC (training) aircraft !
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| Subject: | Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions |
Go ahead Mac !
FLY one !
Get one !
The Yak 52 will give you a lot of FUN
and you will find a lot of help on this list.
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| Subject: | Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions |
It's the pilot of course, always.
I thought that that was clear.
Jan
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 13:16
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
So why is it a problem with the airplanes flight characteristics when you
pull more G's than your body can handle and lose consciousness?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Mevis <mailto:jan.mevis@informavia.be>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Of course, I ment "consciousness" instead of "conscience". Loosing the
second one, would be nasty ...
My native tongue isn't English ...
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 8:12
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
The Yak can indeed bite hard during aerobatics. The first times I flew my
Yak 50, it was scaring, to be honest. I once lost conscience completely
pulling a LOT of G's at a high speed, but was lucky to be high up in the
sky. Now I've learned to control it better. And I definitely pay attention
not pulling too much G-s. Not only for my own sake, but also for the
aircraft. So I never do more than +6 and -4.
I'd go only for gentile, sportsman aerobatics in a Yak 50, not even at 82%
settings. For flying aerobatics at a higher level, I prefer the Pitts or the
Extra. Although a friend of mine flies the Yak 52 in Intermediate
competition, and occasionaly even wins it.
Jan
YK50 RA2005K
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AKMac
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 5:13
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping me out.
One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers.
Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that the Yak has?
I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just looking for a
weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a cross country people
hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which puts it into my airplane
budget.
Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if you have
any advice. Thanks.
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Of course, it is always the pilot. I only know something about the Yak 50,
that is what I commented. The first time I flew aerobatics with the 50, I
flew it just the way I used flying the Pitts. At 82%. And its scared me.
That is the truth.
Jan
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Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 14:06
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
I meant : I agree with Dennis, Jan.
If you loose consciousness, Jan, YOU have pulled to hard.
NOT the aircraft's fault !
An like Dennis says : (conversion) training is indeed the key.
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Yep. You're right on the money Jan.
Dennis
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Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:41 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
It=92s the pilot of course, always.
I thought that that was clear.
Jan
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 13:16
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
So why is it a problem with the airplanes flight characteristics when
you pull more G's than your body can handle and lose consciousness?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Mevis
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
<jan.mevis@informavia.be>
Of course, I ment "consciousness" instead of "conscience". Loosing
the
second one, would be nasty ...
My native tongue isn't English ...
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 8:12
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
<jan.mevis@informavia.be>
The Yak can indeed bite hard during aerobatics. The first times I
flew my
Yak 50, it was scaring, to be honest. I once lost conscience
completely
pulling a LOT of G's at a high speed, but was lucky to be high up in
the
sky. Now I've learned to control it better. And I definitely pay
attention
not pulling too much G-s. Not only for my own sake, but also for the
aircraft. So I never do more than +6 and -4.
I'd go only for gentile, sportsman aerobatics in a Yak 50, not even
at 82%
settings. For flying aerobatics at a higher level, I prefer the
Pitts or the
Extra. Although a friend of mine flies the Yak 52 in Intermediate
competition, and occasionaly even wins it.
Jan
YK50 RA2005K
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AKMac
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 5:13
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping
me out.
One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during aerobatic
maneuvers.
Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that the Yak has?
I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just
looking for a
weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a cross country
people
hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which puts it into my
airplane
budget.
Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if
you have
any advice. Thanks.
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Agree with Dennis. Yesterday was at the top of a loop at 90 kilometers/hour
and zero G. She hung there "unloaded" quite nicely without the least
interest in stalling. I do not recommend doing that for those that are not
comfortable with spin entry and recovery. The gotcahas' with this aircraft
is poor FOD control and not knowing how to do spin recovery. Recognizing the
impending entry makes it a lot easier to prevent having to recover. Flying
with a competent IP in the YAK is a start then going out and flying with
someone like Sergei if you still are not comfortable with Acro in this
aircraft. She is not an airplane to be afraid of. She is a plane to respect
and knowing your entry speeds along with knowing the recovery techniques
will make you very comfortable flying this aircraft.
FOD prevention is a must or you could end up in a unrecoverable state with
the screw driver, knife, ect lodged in the elevator counter weight . The is
another thread.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Who said. "the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers"? A CJ owner?
Common guys....don't scare the guy off. The airplane was a trainer! Read
again....trainer. Primary and aerobatic up through intermediate levels of
aerobatics. It was not designed to kill people. People were trained in
this airplane that never touched or felt and airplane before in their lives.
To say the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers is clearly over
stated. ANY airplane can bite you if not flown correctly, particularly
during aerobatics. Proper training is the key.
Contact me off-list if you want to discuss the benefits of either of these
two fine airplanes.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: AKMac <mailto:macjohnson@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping me out.
One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers.
Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that the Yak has?
I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just looking for a
weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a cross country people
hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which puts it into my airplane
budget.
Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if you have
any advice. Thanks.
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Doc's point about FOD control is paramount. Not only in the 52, but in
any aircraft you intend to do aerobatics in. As for the 52, it is well
documented in the accident reports that the elevator bell crank is most
susceptible to FOD jamming.
Dennis
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From: Roger Kemp MD
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:03 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Agree with Dennis. Yesterday was at the top of a loop at 90
kilometers/hour and zero G. She hung there =93unloaded=94 quite nicely
without the least interest in stalling. I do not recommend doing that
for those that are not comfortable with spin entry and recovery. The
gotcahas=92 with this aircraft is poor FOD control and not knowing how
to do spin recovery. Recognizing the impending entry makes it a lot
easier to prevent having to recover. Flying with a competent IP in the
YAK is a start then going out and flying with someone like Sergei if you
still are not comfortable with Acro in this aircraft. She is not an
airplane to be afraid of. She is a plane to respect and knowing your
entry speeds along with knowing the recovery techniques will make you
very comfortable flying this aircraft.
FOD prevention is a must or you could end up in a unrecoverable state
with the screw driver, knife, ect lodged in the elevator counter weight
. The is another thread.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:08 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Who said. "the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers"? A CJ
owner? Common guys....don't scare the guy off. The airplane was a
trainer! Read again....trainer. Primary and aerobatic up through
intermediate levels of aerobatics. It was not designed to kill people.
People were trained in this airplane that never touched or felt and
airplane before in their lives. To say the Yak can bite you during
aerobatic maneuvers is clearly over stated. ANY airplane can bite you
if not flown correctly, particularly during aerobatics. Proper training
is the key.
Contact me off-list if you want to discuss the benefits of either of
these two fine airplanes.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: AKMac
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping
me out. One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during
aerobatic maneuvers. Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that
the Yak has?
I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just
looking for a weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a
cross country people hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which
puts it into my airplane budget.
Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if
you have any advice. Thanks.
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Jan,
Have you had training in the Anti-G maneuvers? Aerobic and weight training
also help with increasing your G tolerance. Flying under high G frequently
also improves your tolerance. Laying off for a few days will cause your
tolerance to be less. Your G tolerance will vary from day to day so doing a
G warm up before going into a full up routine will help you to determine
where you are on that day too. Starting the Anti-G strain before you start
your pull will help keep you ahead of the G's as they build up.
Glad you survived your 42 seconds of GLOCK. Many do not.
If you can get in touch with the flight physiology or flight medicine
department at one of your local fighter bases should be helpful in getting
you trained. If memory serves correctly, you are in Belgium or was it
Holland?
Any other questions about Anti-G maneuvers, contact me off list.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
So why is it a problem with the airplanes flight characteristics when you
pull more G's than your body can handle and lose consciousness?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Mevis <mailto:jan.mevis@informavia.be>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Of course, I ment "consciousness" instead of "conscience". Loosing the
second one, would be nasty ...
My native tongue isn't English ...
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 8:12
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
The Yak can indeed bite hard during aerobatics. The first times I flew my
Yak 50, it was scaring, to be honest. I once lost conscience completely
pulling a LOT of G's at a high speed, but was lucky to be high up in the
sky. Now I've learned to control it better. And I definitely pay attention
not pulling too much G-s. Not only for my own sake, but also for the
aircraft. So I never do more than +6 and -4.
I'd go only for gentile, sportsman aerobatics in a Yak 50, not even at 82%
settings. For flying aerobatics at a higher level, I prefer the Pitts or the
Extra. Although a friend of mine flies the Yak 52 in Intermediate
competition, and occasionaly even wins it.
Jan
YK50 RA2005K
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AKMac
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 5:13
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping me out.
One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers.
Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that the Yak has?
I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just looking for a
weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a cross country people
hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which puts it into my airplane
budget.
Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if you have
any advice. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
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Thanks for the good advise, Doc!
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 15:35
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Jan,
Have you had training in the Anti-G maneuvers? Aerobic and weight training
also help with increasing your G tolerance. Flying under high G frequently
also improves your tolerance. Laying off for a few days will cause your
tolerance to be less. Your G tolerance will vary from day to day so doing a
G warm up before going into a full up routine will help you to determine
where you are on that day too. Starting the Anti-G strain before you start
your pull will help keep you ahead of the G's as they build up.
Glad you survived your 42 seconds of GLOCK. Many do not.
If you can get in touch with the flight physiology or flight medicine
department at one of your local fighter bases should be helpful in getting
you trained. If memory serves correctly, you are in Belgium or was it
Holland?
Any other questions about Anti-G maneuvers, contact me off list.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
So why is it a problem with the airplanes flight characteristics when you
pull more G's than your body can handle and lose consciousness?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Mevis <mailto:jan.mevis@informavia.be>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Of course, I ment "consciousness" instead of "conscience". Loosing the
second one, would be nasty ...
My native tongue isn't English ...
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 8:12
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
The Yak can indeed bite hard during aerobatics. The first times I flew my
Yak 50, it was scaring, to be honest. I once lost conscience completely
pulling a LOT of G's at a high speed, but was lucky to be high up in the
sky. Now I've learned to control it better. And I definitely pay attention
not pulling too much G-s. Not only for my own sake, but also for the
aircraft. So I never do more than +6 and -4.
I'd go only for gentile, sportsman aerobatics in a Yak 50, not even at 82%
settings. For flying aerobatics at a higher level, I prefer the Pitts or the
Extra. Although a friend of mine flies the Yak 52 in Intermediate
competition, and occasionaly even wins it.
Jan
YK50 RA2005K
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AKMac
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 5:13
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping me out.
One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers.
Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that the Yak has?
I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just looking for a
weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a cross country people
hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which puts it into my airplane
budget.
Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if you have
any advice. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211913#211913
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Being properly hydrated particularly in warm weather seems to make a
significant difference in my g tolerance. I think I recall it being
discussed in my Navy training also. Dehydration also effects judgement.
I always drink a bottle of water before any flight that will involve
any high g maneuvering and carry a bottle with me on longer flights on
hot days. Rapid but controlled pull versus just snatching the g allows
you to pull until onset of grey and then I unload and roll wings level
if any doubt before turning back into a fight.
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp MD
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Jan,
Have you had training in the Anti-G maneuvers? Aerobic and weight
training also help with increasing your G tolerance. Flying under high G
frequently also improves your tolerance. Laying off for a few days will
cause your tolerance to be less. Your G tolerance will vary from day to
day so doing a G warm up before going into a full up routine will help
you to determine where you are on that day too. Starting the Anti-G
strain before you start your pull will help keep you ahead of the G's as
they build up.
Glad you survived your 42 seconds of GLOCK. Many do not.
If you can get in touch with the flight physiology or flight medicine
department at one of your local fighter bases should be helpful in
getting you trained. If memory serves correctly, you are in Belgium or
was it Holland?
Any other questions about Anti-G maneuvers, contact me off list.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:16 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
So why is it a problem with the airplanes flight characteristics when
you pull more G's than your body can handle and lose consciousness?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Mevis
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
<jan.mevis@informavia.be>
Of course, I ment "consciousness" instead of "conscience". Loosing
the
second one, would be nasty ...
My native tongue isn't English ...
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 8:12
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
<jan.mevis@informavia.be>
The Yak can indeed bite hard during aerobatics. The first times I
flew my
Yak 50, it was scaring, to be honest. I once lost conscience
completely
pulling a LOT of G's at a high speed, but was lucky to be high up in
the
sky. Now I've learned to control it better. And I definitely pay
attention
not pulling too much G-s. Not only for my own sake, but also for the
aircraft. So I never do more than +6 and -4.
I'd go only for gentile, sportsman aerobatics in a Yak 50, not even
at 82%
settings. For flying aerobatics at a higher level, I prefer the
Pitts or the
Extra. Although a friend of mine flies the Yak 52 in Intermediate
competition, and occasionaly even wins it.
Jan
YK50 RA2005K
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AKMac
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 5:13
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping
me out.
One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during aerobatic
maneuvers.
Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that the Yak has?
I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just
looking for a
weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a cross country
people
hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which puts it into my
airplane
budget.
Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if
you have
any advice. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211913#211913
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The following clip isn't political, it's factual. The entire world
believed the existence of Saddam's WMDs long before Bush was in office.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7CsH_5UTkw&feature=related
History will prove whether it was the right decision. But the rewritten
history claiming Bush fabricated everything isn't true.
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp MD
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai MASTERS IN
ECONOMICS
Guess you missed the 550 metric tons of yellow cake move secretly from
Bagdad 1 year ago too. It was sold to Canada to use in their reactors.
So much for the WMDs.
Unbelievably, MSNBC was the only news network to report the arrival of
the Uranium in Canada. We (the US) guarded and sat on it at it's storage
site from the end of the "war" until it transported to an atoll in the
south Pacific where it was transferred from US Naval vessels to Canadian
transports. Just imagine what would have happened if our good friends in
Iran got access to that weapons store. Also Sarin and Mustard gas
munitions were found too. As you remember, that was what Chemical Ali
used on the Kurds.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/page/2/
As I said, opinions are like assholes, we all have them. I do not
totally agree with Bush either but.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:38 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai MASTERS IN
ECONOMICS
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I referred to Bush as a halfwit based solely on listening to him.
Surely you will agree that his speechifying is none too very
impressatory?
I may have subconsciously factored in his squandering of the post-9/11
sympathy and support for the US of virtually the entire free world.
Your garden-variety genius would have leveraged that rather than pissing
it away in a year.
I was unaware that Bush has a masters in economics from Princeton. I
don't know anyone from Princeton and had never formed an opinion on the
quality of their institution. Since Bush has presided over the decline
of the dollar from 1.06 Euro to its current value of 66 Euro cents, the
banking/mortgage crisis, the increase of energy costs by 80%, food
increases of 7% in the past year, and what is widely, if not officially,
termed a recession. I'm inclined to think that he didn't learn a great
deal about economics while getting his masters degree. Oh, and there is
that stock market crash last month.
You failed to bring up his military prowess. This seasoned veteran
also promulgated an extraordinarily expensive, unpopular, and most
likely unwinable war under deeply flawed, if not entirely fraudulent
allegations of WMD.
The lesser Bush also has a law degree from Harvard. Does Harvard
teach all its law students that due process is evil and that the Soviet
system of lock 'em up and forget 'em is better? Unless of course you
need to torture the prisoners in the interests of national security.
Or, did Bush just not learn much while getting his "Gentleman's C" at
Harvard Law?
I won't refer to Bush as a half-wit again. A careful review of the
facts leads me to conclude that the worst president since Carter
deserves a far less complementary appellation, perhaps quarter wit.
He has five months left, of course, to change his legacy. If he gets
the Chinese to raise the rmb to parity raising the price of everything
the US imports from China by a factor of seven, he can still become
known as the worst president since Hoover.
For the record, I like Laura; she's smarter and nicer than monkey boy.
And the twins are hot.
I've downgraded George to quarterwit.
You don't want to get me started on the hapa haole.
On Aug 12, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Roger Kemp MD wrote:
How can you say Bush is a dim wit when he has a Masters in Economics
from Princeton? He's richer than any of our miserable asses. I do not
totally agree with all he has done but I 'm sure the Earth is getting to
hot Gore the bore would have really screwed it up. It is because of him
and his intern cigar poking boss that gave away a number of our secrets
in the name of detante (and campaign donations) to the Chinese. The past
is the past but the Chinese do have the technology to manufacture MIRVS
now which they did not have until the Draft Dodger took office.
Now moving on to the naturalized citizen running for the office
from the Demoncrats.be prepared to give all your earned income to this
socialist seeking "economic justice" for his race. Can you tell me what
race that would be? 143 days and he is qualified to lead the world,
Right!
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Sage advice that I left out. Not intentionally, just was not snap thinking
of it.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Being properly hydrated particularly in warm weather seems to make a
significant difference in my g tolerance. I think I recall it being
discussed in my Navy training also. Dehydration also effects judgement. I
always drink a bottle of water before any flight that will involve any high
g maneuvering and carry a bottle with me on longer flights on hot days.
Rapid but controlled pull versus just snatching the g allows you to pull
until onset of grey and then I unload and roll wings level if any doubt
before turning back into a fight.
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp MD <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Jan,
Have you had training in the Anti-G maneuvers? Aerobic and weight training
also help with increasing your G tolerance. Flying under high G frequently
also improves your tolerance. Laying off for a few days will cause your
tolerance to be less. Your G tolerance will vary from day to day so doing a
G warm up before going into a full up routine will help you to determine
where you are on that day too. Starting the Anti-G strain before you start
your pull will help keep you ahead of the G's as they build up.
Glad you survived your 42 seconds of GLOCK. Many do not.
If you can get in touch with the flight physiology or flight medicine
department at one of your local fighter bases should be helpful in getting
you trained. If memory serves correctly, you are in Belgium or was it
Holland?
Any other questions about Anti-G maneuvers, contact me off list.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
So why is it a problem with the airplanes flight characteristics when you
pull more G's than your body can handle and lose consciousness?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jan Mevis <mailto:jan.mevis@informavia.be>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:38 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Of course, I ment "consciousness" instead of "conscience". Loosing the
second one, would be nasty ...
My native tongue isn't English ...
Jan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 8:12
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
The Yak can indeed bite hard during aerobatics. The first times I flew my
Yak 50, it was scaring, to be honest. I once lost conscience completely
pulling a LOT of G's at a high speed, but was lucky to be high up in the
sky. Now I've learned to control it better. And I definitely pay attention
not pulling too much G-s. Not only for my own sake, but also for the
aircraft. So I never do more than +6 and -4.
I'd go only for gentile, sportsman aerobatics in a Yak 50, not even at 82%
settings. For flying aerobatics at a higher level, I prefer the Pitts or the
Extra. Although a friend of mine flies the Yak 52 in Intermediate
competition, and occasionaly even wins it.
Jan
YK50 RA2005K
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: maandag 3 november 2008 5:13
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions
Thanks for the reply's guys. I've got a few emails from you helping me out.
One of which mentioned that the Yak can bite you during aerobatic maneuvers.
Can someone explain the bad handling qualities that the Yak has?
I see that the CJ is also a popular airplane. I'm really just looking for a
weekend warrior intermediate aerobatic machine, not a cross country people
hauler. Plus the Yak is about 25k cheaper which puts it into my airplane
budget.
Any buyers guides, or things to look for would be quite helpful if you have
any advice. Thanks.
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I just can't take it any more. This list offers good information for
future YAK owners like me, but it's just not worth the aggravation. there
are other ways of getting information. See you in the funny papers.
Bill Yamokoski
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Mark Davis <mark@pld.com> wrote:
> The following clip isn't political, it's factual. The entire world
> believed the existence of Saddam's WMDs long before Bush was in office.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7CsH_5UTkw&feature=related History
will
> prove whether it was the right decision. But the rewritten history claim
ing
> Bush fabricated everything isn't true.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Roger Kemp MD <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:42 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai MASTERS IN
> ECONOMICS
>
> Guess you missed the 550 metric tons of yellow cake move secretly from
> Bagdad 1 year ago too. It was sold to Canada to use in their reactors. So
> much for the WMDs.
>
> Unbelievably, MSNBC was the only news network to report the arrival of th
e
> Uranium in Canada. We (the US) guarded and sat on it at it's storage site
> from the end of the "war" until it transported to an atoll in the south
> Pacific where it was transferred from US Naval vessels to Canadian
> transports. Just imagine what would have happened if our good friends in
> Iran got access to that weapons store. Also Sarin and Mustard gas munitio
ns
> were found too. As you remember, that was what Chemical Ali used on the
> Kurds.
>
> http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/page/2/
>
> As I said, opinions are like assholes, we all have them. I do not totally
> agree with Bush either but=85
>
> Doc
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron Davis
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:38 AM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai MASTERS IN
> ECONOMICS
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> I referred to Bush as a halfwit based solely on listening to him. Surely
> you will agree that his speechifying is none too very impressatory?
>
>
> I may have subconsciously factored in his squandering of the post-9/11
> sympathy and support for the US of virtually the entire free world. Your
> garden-variety genius would have leveraged that rather than pissing it aw
ay
> in a year.
>
>
> I was unaware that Bush has a masters in economics from Princeton. I don
't
> know anyone from Princeton and had never formed an opinion on the quality
of
> their institution. Since Bush has presided over the decline of the dolla
r
> from 1.06 Euro to its current value of 66 Euro cents, the banking/mortgag
e
> crisis, the increase of energy costs by 80%, food increases of 7% in the
> past year, and what is widely, if not officially, termed a recession. I'm
> inclined to think that he didn't learn a great deal about economics while
> getting his masters degree. Oh, and there is that stock market crash last
> month.
>
>
> You failed to bring up his military prowess. This seasoned veteran also
> promulgated an extraordinarily expensive, unpopular, and most likely
> unwinable war under deeply flawed, if not entirely fraudulent allegations
of
> WMD.
>
>
> The lesser Bush also has a law degree from Harvard. Does Harvard teach a
ll
> its law students that due process is evil and that the Soviet system of l
ock
> 'em up and forget 'em is better? Unless of course you need to torture th
e
> prisoners in the interests of national security. Or, did Bush just not
> learn much while getting his "Gentleman's C" at Harvard Law?
>
>
> I won't refer to Bush as a half-wit again. A careful review of the facts
> leads me to conclude that the worst president since Carter deserves a far
> less complementary appellation, perhaps quarter wit.
>
>
> He has five months left, of course, to change his legacy. If he gets the
> Chinese to raise the rmb to parity raising the price of everything the US
> imports from China by a factor of seven, he can still become known as the
> worst president since Hoover.
>
>
> For the record, I like Laura; she's smarter and nicer than monkey boy. A
nd
> the twins are hot.
>
>
> I've downgraded George to quarterwit.
>
>
> You don't want to get me started on the hapa haole.
>
>
> On Aug 12, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Roger Kemp MD wrote:
>
>
> How can you say Bush is a dim wit when he has a Masters in Economics from
> Princeton? He's richer than any of our miserable asses. I do not totally
> agree with all he has done but I 'm sure the Earth is getting to hot Gore
> the bore would have really screwed it up. It is because of him and his
> intern cigar poking boss that gave away a number of our secrets in the na
me
> of detante (and campaign donations) to the Chinese. The past is the past
but
> the Chinese do have the technology to manufacture MIRVS now which they di
d
> not have until the Draft Dodger took office.
>
> Now moving on to the naturalized citizen running for the office from the
> Demoncrats=85be prepared to give all your earned income to this socialist
> seeking "economic justice" for his race. Can you tell me what race that
> would be? 143 days and he is qualified to lead the world, Right!
>
> Doc
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Thanks Tom.
But what's with this Mr. Lannon -- am I that old??
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Elliott
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Once and for all take this crap somewhere else
I too wish it would stop! and I always agree with Mr.. Lannon, and sometimes
with Bunndini.
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:24 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Once and for all take this crap somewhere else
Thanks for the show of support Walt, I wish everyone that feels the same way
as we do would log on let their feeling be known as well. Maybe the few would
get the message once and for all.
Hope all is well in the North Country!!
Gary 'Bunndini' Bunn
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon@persona.ca>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:43 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Once and for all take this crap somewhere else
Gary;
I could not agree more. Your comments are right on the money.
I had to seriously restrain myself from replying to the latest idiotic post.
If it continues I likely will reply and then leave the list for good.
Best;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:37 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Once and for all take this crap somewhere else
Don't you people know that all this BS does not belong on the Yak List, don't
you know that 99% of us getting your emails don't give a rats ass about what
you think unless it has something to do with aircraft? In case you don't
know it this is a forum for aircraft and pilots, not your views on the world.
Don't you know that many pilots have quit the Yak list and RPA because of just
this sort of thing?
Please do 99% of us a favor and take your opinions, your views on the world
and your attacks on members someplace else, I for one am sick of it. Thank
you for your attention.
Gary 'Bunndini' Bunn
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I think Bill is right. The Yak List is no longer worth the aggravation.
On rare occasion, there is good technical and operational information
to be found here. But the rest of the time, we have a dog and pony
show by about a half dozen people who give endless opinion....much of
the time on subjects about which they know little or nothing. None
of them reflect my views on anything...so, I'm giving it up. I am
cancelling my registration on the list.
I may come back some day...but if it's still the same cast of
characters...I won't stay.
Roger
Baker___________________________________________________________________
_____________
On Nov 3, 2008, at 8:32 AM, William Yamokoski wrote:
> I just can't take it any more. This list offers good information
> for future YAK owners like me, but it's just not worth the
> aggravation. there are other ways of getting information. See
> you in the funny papers.
> Bill Yamokoski
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Mark Davis <mark@pld.com> wrote:
> The following clip isn't political, it's factual. The entire world
> believed the existence of Saddam's WMDs long before Bush was in
> office. http://www.youtube.com/watch?
> v=C7CsH_5UTkw&feature=related History will prove whether it was
> the right decision. But the rewritten history claiming Bush
> fabricated everything isn't true.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger Kemp MD
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:42 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai MASTERS IN
> ECONOMICS
>
> Guess you missed the 550 metric tons of yellow cake move secretly
> from Bagdad 1 year ago too. It was sold to Canada to use in their
> reactors. So much for the WMDs.
>
> Unbelievably, MSNBC was the only news network to report the arrival
> of the Uranium in Canada. We (the US) guarded and sat on it at it's
> storage site from the end of the "war" until it transported to an
> atoll in the south Pacific where it was transferred from US Naval
> vessels to Canadian transports. Just imagine what would have
> happened if our good friends in Iran got access to that weapons
> store. Also Sarin and Mustard gas munitions were found too. As you
> remember, that was what Chemical Ali used on the Kurds.
>
> http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/page/2/
>
> As I said, opinions are like assholes, we all have them. I do not
> totally agree with Bush either but=85
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:38 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai MASTERS IN
> ECONOMICS
>
>
> I referred to Bush as a halfwit based solely on listening to him.
> Surely you will agree that his speechifying is none too very
> impressatory?
>
>
> I may have subconsciously factored in his squandering of the
> post-9/11 sympathy and support for the US of virtually the entire
> free world. Your garden-variety genius would have leveraged that
> rather than pissing it away in a year.
>
>
> I was unaware that Bush has a masters in economics from Princeton.
> I don't know anyone from Princeton and had never formed an opinion
> on the quality of their institution. Since Bush has presided over
> the decline of the dollar from 1.06 Euro to its current value of 66
> Euro cents, the banking/mortgage crisis, the increase of energy
> costs by 80%, food increases of 7% in the past year, and what is
> widely, if not officially, termed a recession. I'm inclined to
> think that he didn't learn a great deal about economics while
> getting his masters degree. Oh, and there is that stock market
> crash last month.
>
>
> You failed to bring up his military prowess. This seasoned veteran
> also promulgated an extraordinarily expensive, unpopular, and most
> likely unwinable war under deeply flawed, if not entirely
> fraudulent allegations of WMD.
>
>
> The lesser Bush also has a law degree from Harvard. Does Harvard
> teach all its law students that due process is evil and that the
> Soviet system of lock 'em up and forget 'em is better? Unless of
> course you need to torture the prisoners in the interests of
> national security. Or, did Bush just not learn much while getting
> his "Gentleman's C" at Harvard Law?
>
>
> I won't refer to Bush as a half-wit again. A careful review of the
> facts leads me to conclude that the worst president since Carter
> deserves a far less complementary appellation, perhaps quarter wit.
>
>
> He has five months left, of course, to change his legacy. If he
> gets the Chinese to raise the rmb to parity raising the price of
> everything the US imports from China by a factor of seven, he can
> still become known as the worst president since Hoover.
>
>
> For the record, I like Laura; she's smarter and nicer than monkey
> boy. And the twins are hot.
>
>
> I've downgraded George to quarterwit.
>
>
> You don't want to get me started on the hapa haole.
>
>
> On Aug 12, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Roger Kemp MD wrote:
>
>
> How can you say Bush is a dim wit when he has a Masters in
> Economics from Princeton? He's richer than any of our miserable
> asses. I do not totally agree with all he has done but I 'm sure
> the Earth is getting to hot Gore the bore would have really screwed
> it up. It is because of him and his intern cigar poking boss that
> gave away a number of our secrets in the name of detante (and
> campaign donations) to the Chinese. The past is the past but the
> Chinese do have the technology to manufacture MIRVS now which they
> did not have until the Draft Dodger took office.
>
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> from the Demoncrats=85be prepared to give all your earned income to
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| Subject: | Service Bulletins - open letter to Ron Davis |
To be blunt, I cannot understand the point that you are making, unless
you are saying that AD's / SB's are not compulsory on "Experimental"
aircraft - which of course I know. My points are simple:
a.. I have been involved with Russian aeroplanes and Yaks for
twenty-three years - I expect more than most.
b.. I sell these aircraft, and have a real incentive that they are
safe, and that people do not have problems with them.
c.. I have a real concern therefore when people say, in a very
simplistic fashion, that their 50 or 52 has the "heavy spar". With the
52 there are three separate wing Service Bulletins, and the 50 is far
more complex, with six separate significant structural modifications on
the wing alone.
d.. The Yak-50 is an extremely tough aeroplane, but it is NOT +9 and
-7G without these modifications.
e.. Indeed I think that anyone who flies ANY Yak-50 at much over +6G
today (and that is all you need) to be imprudent.
f.. You ask for "one example of an AD to an Experimental aircraft" - I
honestly do not know what you are looking for. However the simple fact
is that there have been four fatal accidents following total structural
failure on Yak-50s. Of course these were aircraft without all the
modifications and being flown very hard by very competitive Soviet
pilots.
g.. However there are sixty-seven Yak-50s still around, and I know
that some of these are still being flown hard, including planes that are
not fully modified. This is what I cannot understand!
h.. For those who would like more of the history of Yak-50 structural
issues please see the following link:
http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-50%20Service%20Bulletins%20after%20crashe
s.htm
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129
www.russianaeros.com
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Dear Yak Listers,
I have received a number of complaints about the off-topic and controversial nature of a few recent posts to the Yak-List. The Yak-List is for discussions regarding *aircraft* and specifically the Yak and CJ aircraft. Here is a clear statement on this from the List's Usage Guidelines found here at http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm :
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| Subject: | This List Is Worth Being A Part Of! |
I=27m sorry guys, but I have to respectfully disagree. I=27m not anyone
special and I=27m not even a Yak / CJ owner - YET - but I joined because
of my fascination w/ the types - hoping to make a few connections and
possibly network. Well, I got that - AND what feels like a technical
manual=27s worth of interesting and very worthwhile details concerning
both types of fabulous aircraft. I have very close friends - even family
members - whose political opinions differ from mine. When they attempt
to engage me, I don=27t attempt to reform. We share other common interests
and we simply agree to =22live and let live.=22 You guys have a GREAT
thing
going here. It=27s a trying time for our country right now, but I=27m
convinced things will begin an upswing soon. Maintain your beliefs w/
your passionate conviction, but don=27t let that blind you as to why we
choose to communicate here: for aviation - one of the greatest gifts God
ever allowed us=21 Remember, true friendship is accepting those around you
as they are.
(Sorry if this is out of line - it is meant sincerely and w/ all due
respect=21)
Keep the faith and KEEP =27EM FLYING=21
>>> Roger Baker <f4ffm2=40roadrunner.com> 11/3/2008 11:58 AM >>>
I think Bill is right. The Yak List is no longer worth the aggravation.
On rare occasion, there is good technical and operational information
to be found here. But the rest of the time, we have a dog and pony show
by about a half dozen people who give endless opinion....much of the
time on subjects about which they know little or nothing. None of them
reflect my views on anything...so, I=27m giving it up. I am cancelling my
registration on the list.
I may come back some day...but if it=27s still the same cast of
characters...I won=27t stay.
Roger
Baker______________________________________________________________________
__________
On Nov 3, 2008, at 8:32 AM, William Yamokoski wrote:
I just can=27t take it any more. This list offers good information for
future YAK owners like me, but it=27s just not worth the aggravation.
there are other ways of getting information. See you in the funny
papers.
Bill Yamokoski
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Mark Davis <mark=40pld.com> wrote:
The following clip isn=27t political, it=27s factual. The entire world
believed the existence of Saddam=27s WMDs long before Bush was in office.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7CsH_5UTkw&feature=related History
will prove whether it was the right decision. But the rewritten history
claiming Bush fabricated everything isn=27t true.
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp MD ( mailto:viperdoc=40mindspring.com )
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai MASTERS IN
ECONOMICS
Guess you missed the 550 metric tons of yellow cake move secretly from
Bagdad 1 year ago too. It was sold to Canada to use in their reactors.
So much for the WMDs.
Unbelievably, MSNBC was the only news network to report the arrival of
the Uranium in Canada. We (the US) guarded and sat on it at it=27s storage
site from the end of the =22war=22 until it transported to an atoll in the
south Pacific where it was transferred from US Naval vessels to Canadian
transports. Just imagine what would have happened if our good friends in
Iran got access to that weapons store. Also Sarin and Mustard gas
munitions were found too. As you remember, that was what Chemical Ali
used on the Kurds.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/page/2/
As I said, opinions are like assholes, we all have them. I do not
totally agree with Bush either but
Doc
From:owner-yak-list-server=40matronics.com
=5Bmailto:owner-yak-list-server=40matronics.com=5D On Behalf Of Ron Davis
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai MASTERS IN
ECONOMICS
I referred to Bush as a halfwit based solely on list
ening to him.
Surely you will agree that his speechifying is none too very
impressatory?
I may have subconsciously factored in his squandering of the post-9/11
sympathy and support for the US of virtually the entire free world. Your
garden-variety genius would have leveraged that rather than pissing it
away in a year.
I was unaware that Bush has a masters in economics from Princeton. I
don=27t know anyone from Princeton and had never formed an opinion on the
quality of their institution. Since Bush has presided over the decline
of the dollar from 1.06 Euro to its current value of 66 Euro cents, the
banking/mortgage crisis, the increase of energy costs by 80%, food
increases of 7% in the past year, and what is widely, if not officially,
termed a recession. I=27m inclined to think that he didn=27t learn a great
deal about economics while getting his masters degree. Oh, and there is
that stock market crash last month.
You failed to bring up his military prowess. This seasoned veteran also
promulgated an extraordinarily expensive, unpopular, and most likely
unwinable war under deeply flawed, if not entirely fraudulent
allegations of WMD.
The lesser Bush also has a law degree from Harvard. Does Harvard teach
all its law students that due process is evil and that the Soviet system
of lock =27em up and forget =27em is better? Unless of course you need to
torture the prisoners in the interests of national security. Or, did
Bush just not learn much while getting his =22Gentleman=27s C=22 at
Harvard
Law?
I won=27t refer to Bush as a half-wit again. A careful review of the
facts leads me to conclude that the worst president since Carter
deserves a far less complementary appellation, perhaps quarter wit.
He has five months left, of course, to change his legacy. If he gets
the Chinese to raise the rmb to parity raising the price of everything
the US imports from China by a factor of seven, he can still become
known as the worst president since Hoover.
For the record, I like Laura; she=27s smarter and nicer than monkey boy.
And the twins are hot.
I=27ve downgraded George to quarterwit.
You don=27t want to get me started on the hapa haole.
On Aug 12, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Roger Kemp MD wrote:
How can you say Bush is a dim wit when he has a Masters in Economics
from Princeton? He=27s richer than any of our miserable asses. I do not
totally agree with all he has done but I =27m sure the Earth is getting to
hot Gore the bore would have really screwed it up. It is because of him
and his intern cigar poking boss that gave away a number of our secrets
in the name of detante (and campaign donations) to the Chinese. The past
is the past but the Chinese do have the technology to manufacture MIRVS
now which they did not have until the Draft Dodger took office.
Now moving on to the naturalized citizen running for the office from
the Demoncratsbe prepared to give all your earned income to this
socialist seeking =22economic justice=22 for his race. Can you tell me
what
race that would be? 143 days and he is qualified to lead the world,
Right=21
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| Subject: | Re: OT Different Props for Housai MASTERS IN ECONOMICS |
Bill,
I added the "OT" to the address line like was suggested to warn
anyone that the post was not YAK related. My intent was to inform, not
offend. I personally just don't like anyone re-writing history. The
truth is like sunlight, generally a good disinfectant and is neither a
Republican or Democrat domain. I was trying to shine a little sunlight
on the earlier post on this thread stating Pres. Bush's "deeply flawed,
if not entirely fraudulent allegations of WMD". My apologies to anyone
offended, but everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not spreading
mistruths. Tomorrow or whenever the vote is final, let's all go back to
just YAKking.
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: William Yamokoski
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: OT Different Props for Housai MASTERS IN
ECONOMICS
I just can't take it any more. This list offers good information for
future YAK owners like me, but it's just not worth the aggravation.
there are other ways of getting information. See you in the funny
papers.
Bill Yamokoski
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Mark Davis <mark@pld.com> wrote:
The following clip isn't political, it's factual. The entire world
believed the existence of Saddam's WMDs long before Bush was in office.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7CsH_5UTkw&feature=related
History will prove whether it was the right decision. But the rewritten
history claiming Bush fabricated everything isn't true.
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp MD
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai MASTERS IN
ECONOMICS
Guess you missed the 550 metric tons of yellow cake move secretly
from Bagdad 1 year ago too. It was sold to Canada to use in their
reactors. So much for the WMDs.
Unbelievably, MSNBC was the only news network to report the
arrival of the Uranium in Canada. We (the US) guarded and sat on it at
it's storage site from the end of the "war" until it transported to an
atoll in the south Pacific where it was transferred from US Naval
vessels to Canadian transports. Just imagine what would have happened if
our good friends in Iran got access to that weapons store. Also Sarin
and Mustard gas munitions were found too. As you remember, that was what
Chemical Ali used on the Kurds.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/page/2/
As I said, opinions are like assholes, we all have them. I do not
totally agree with Bush either but=85
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:38 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Different Props for Housai MASTERS IN
ECONOMICS
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I referred to Bush as a halfwit based solely on listening to him.
Surely you will agree that his speechifying is none too very
impressatory?
I may have subconsciously factored in his squandering of the
post-9/11 sympathy and support for the US of virtually the entire free
world. Your garden-variety genius would have leveraged that rather than
pissing it away in a year.
I was unaware that Bush has a masters in economics from Princeton.
I don't know anyone from Princeton and had never formed an opinion on
the quality of their institution. Since Bush has presided over the
decline of the dollar from 1.06 Euro to its current value of 66 Euro
cents, the banking/mortgage crisis, the increase of energy costs by 80%,
food increases of 7% in the past year, and what is widely, if not
officially, termed a recession. I'm inclined to think that he didn't
learn a great deal about economics while getting his masters degree. Oh,
and there is that stock market crash last month.
You failed to bring up his military prowess. This seasoned
veteran also promulgated an extraordinarily expensive, unpopular, and
most likely unwinable war under deeply flawed, if not entirely
fraudulent allegations of WMD.
The lesser Bush also has a law degree from Harvard. Does Harvard
teach all its law students that due process is evil and that the Soviet
system of lock 'em up and forget 'em is better? Unless of course you
need to torture the prisoners in the interests of national security.
Or, did Bush just not learn much while getting his "Gentleman's C" at
Harvard Law?
I won't refer to Bush as a half-wit again. A careful review of
the facts leads me to conclude that the worst president since Carter
deserves a far less complementary appellation, perhaps quarter wit.
He has five months left, of course, to change his legacy. If he
gets the Chinese to raise the rmb to parity raising the price of
everything the US imports from China by a factor of seven, he can still
become known as the worst president since Hoover.
For the record, I like Laura; she's smarter and nicer than monkey
boy. And the twins are hot.
I've downgraded George to quarterwit.
You don't want to get me started on the hapa haole.
On Aug 12, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Roger Kemp MD wrote:
How can you say Bush is a dim wit when he has a Masters in
Economics from Princeton? He's richer than any of our miserable asses. I
do not totally agree with all he has done but I 'm sure the Earth is
getting to hot Gore the bore would have really screwed it up. It is
because of him and his intern cigar poking boss that gave away a number
of our secrets in the name of detante (and campaign donations) to the
Chinese. The past is the past but the Chinese do have the technology to
manufacture MIRVS now which they did not have until the Draft Dodger
took office.
Now moving on to the naturalized citizen running for the office
from the Demoncrats=85be prepared to give all your earned income to this
socialist seeking "economic justice" for his race. Can you tell me what
race that would be? 143 days and he is qualified to lead the world,
Right!
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| Subject: | Re: pulses per revolution on the Housai? |
I'm doing some major panel work this winter,, and a digital RPM is the plan..
did you get a response to this question?
--------
Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
Ottawa, Ontario
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212150#212150
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| Subject: | Re: pulses per revolution on the Housai? |
Hey Mike,
The answer: NO
I shot you an email
Keith
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| Subject: | Re: pulses per revolution on the Housai? |
I have installed this particular one on several YAK and SUKHOI aircraft.
(Horizon P-1000)
http://www.sarasotaavionics.com.product.aspx?id=125
It has several advantages in that it uses the P-LEAD wire off EACH mag,
(no tach gen) and thus will work off either one. Since it connects to
BOTH P-Leaks, it also keeps track of the condition of each mag
constantly and if one fails. It actually is using two RPM system
simultaneously ... One for each mag. If it sees differences between the
two, it also alerts you. Very handy. It also keeps track of total
engine time, and has an over speed warning indication that can be
preset, etc. All in all a very unique instrument well worth $500 or so.
In the ones I have installed (only M-14) we have removed the tach gen
and installed a blank off plate. EXTREME caution must be taken here to
NOT remove the wrong plate, or take too much apart in this area. Do not
experiment... Get someone who knows EXACTLY what they are doing, or you
will end up disturbing the timing of the air start distributor system
which is one of the worst things in the world to try and get right
again. You have been warned.
Downside of the system is partially due to the same thing that makes it
so nice. It taps the P Leaks. If you do not keep these shielded
properly, you ARE going to end up getting noise into your radio(s).
On the same note ... Of general interest... Is that if you ever get
really BAD BAD noise in your headset, you can easily test this in flight
by simply turning your mags off one at a time. If the noise goes away,
you more than likely have a broken shield on your P leak right at the
mag. This happens ALL the time because owners tend to just remove the
clip that holds the screw in wire connector in place, and then turn the
wire plug with out holding the back piece in place. This ends up
twisting the whole mess and quickly shears off the shield from the plug
AT the connector. If turning off one, or both mags does NOT solve the
issue, you more than likely have a broken ground wire on the TACH
generator. The noise from this can be so catastrophic that it can
actually damage the RF amp stage in the original Russian radio (Balkan
5) receiver. Warning... If this ever happens to you.. Turn the radio
OFF.
Hope this helps Skidmk, have a nice day.
Mark Bitterlich
I'm doing some major panel work this winter,, and a digital RPM is the
plan..
did you get a response to this question?
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Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
Ottawa, Ontario
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In an effort to figure out why the fuel gauge doesn't work on my Yak 52 project...I
removed it and pulled the case apart. There's nothing inside of it. F---ing
Russians. Anybody have or know where to find a new/used one?
Chris Keating
972-489-4504
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Gang,
I have a rudder for a CJ-6A for sale in excellent condition, with clean
fabric by Lannon Aviation, primed and ready for your colors. Please
contact me off list if interested.
Paul Dumoret
N75485
250-4535-0395
3bar@telus.net
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| Subject: | Re: Yak Fuel Gauge |
Chris Keating; Upon discovering a partially inop fuel indicator in my ya
k 50 a year or two ago, I contacted Jill Genetzke Hayse in Kingman Arizo
na. She said she had a used one on hand but did not know if it worked. W
hen I received it I put it into my aircraft and found that it too was pa
rtially inop-except that it was slightly less inop than my original uni
t ; still, all the lights were not functioning. I swapped bulbs around b
ut never was able to achieve a fully functioning unit. At that time, Jil
l indicated that these units were hard to find. I don't know what the pr
esent availability is; I'm still operating with the top two light level
s inop and timing my fuel use. Suggest you contact Jill and make an inqu
iry.
Cliff Umscheid
-- "TXYak" <CKeating@peoplepc.com> wrote:
In an effort to figure out why the fuel gauge doesn't work on my Yak 52
project...I removed it and pulled the case apart. There's nothing insid
e of it. F---ing Russians. Anybody have or know where to find a new/us
ed one?
Chris Keating
972-489-4504
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| Subject: | Re: Yak Fuel Gauge |
Cliff, I did talk to Jill today. She doesn't have any in stock, but may be able
to track one down. I was hoping to find someone with a salvage airplane and
not have to wait for one from Europe.
Chris
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| Subject: | Once and for all take this crap somewhere else |
Not in age, In wisdom yes!
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
702-595-2680
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Once and for all take this crap somewhere else
Thanks Tom.
But what's with this Mr. Lannon -- am I that old??
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Elliott <mailto:N13472@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Once and for all take this crap somewhere else
I too wish it would stop! and I always agree with Mr.. Lannon, and sometimes
with Bunndini.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
702-595-2680
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Once and for all take this crap somewhere else
Thanks for the show of support Walt, I wish everyone that feels the same way
as we do would log on let their feeling be known as well. Maybe the few
would get the message once and for all.
Hope all is well in the North Country!!
Gary 'Bunndini' Bunn
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon@persona.ca>
Sent: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:43 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Once and for all take this crap somewhere else
Gary;
I could not agree more. Your comments are right on the money.
I had to seriously restrain myself from replying to the latest idiotic post.
If it continues I likely will reply and then leave the list for good.
Best;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:37 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Once and for all take this crap somewhere else
Don't you people know that all this BS does not belong on the Yak List,
don't you know that 99% of us getting your emails don't give a rats ass
about what you think unless it has something to do with aircraft? In case
you don't know it this is a forum for aircraft and pilots, not your views on
the world. Don't you know that many pilots have quit the Yak list and RPA
because of just this sort of thing?
Please do 99% of us a favor and take your opinions, your views on the world
and your attacks on members someplace else, I for one am sick of it. Thank
you for your attention.
Gary 'Bunndini' Bunn
Nanchang Driver
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