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1. 03:46 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08 (Barry Hancock)
2. 04:32 AM - Re: Yak Fuel Gauge (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 04:33 AM - Disregard my question Chris (Re: Yak Fuel Gauge) (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 05:40 AM - Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions (Pete M)
5. 08:38 AM - Re: Disregard my question Chris (Re: Yak Fuel Gauge) (Kregg Victory)
6. 09:35 AM - Re: Yak Fuel Gauge (Roger Kemp MD)
7. 04:10 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08 (SD737@aol.com)
8. 06:19 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08 (barryhancock)
9. 06:26 PM - Re: Yak Fuel Gauge (TXYak)
10. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08 (Budd Davisson)
11. 07:28 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08 (A. Dennis Savarese)
12. 08:05 PM - Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions (shinden33)
13. 11:03 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08 (Jan Mevis)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08 |
Gang,
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| Subject: | Re: Yak Fuel Gauge |
Where did you get the airplane or who did you buy it from?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: TXYak
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:10 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak Fuel Gauge
In an effort to figure out why the fuel gauge doesn't work on my Yak
52 project...I removed it and pulled the case apart. There's nothing
inside of it. F---ing Russians. Anybody have or know where to find a
new/used one?
Chris Keating
972-489-4504
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| Subject: | Re: Yak Fuel Gauge) |
I had forgotten who you bought it from.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: TXYak
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:10 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak Fuel Gauge
In an effort to figure out why the fuel gauge doesn't work on my Yak
52 project...I removed it and pulled the case apart. There's nothing
inside of it. F---ing Russians. Anybody have or know where to find a
new/used one?
Chris Keating
972-489-4504
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| Subject: | Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions |
Lots of good advice although a bit scary. I started with instruction in the more
gentle art of rolls, loops and stall turns all of which should not tax an average
persons G tolerence. Then work up to the higher G later.
The classic gotcha in a Yak is trying to force it around a stall turn when it will
not go. A good recipe for a stall/spin scenario which without adequate height
is tricky. More than a few have spun in off a high power/low speed departure
from controlled flight.
If it will not go around then centralize the controls and shut the power off. The
machine will fall either backwards or forwards into a nose down attitude which
is definitely better than a flat spin.
But you do have to really provoke a Yak to make it bite you. Just don't keep poking
it with a sharp stick!
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G-CBRL
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| Subject: | Re: Yak Fuel Gauge) |
I have a yak 52 fuel ladder and the probes for the tanks.
Kregg Victory
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:33 AM
Subject: Disregard my question Chris (Re: Yak-List: Yak Fuel Gauge)
I had forgotten who you bought it from.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: TXYak <mailto:CKeating@peoplepc.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:10 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak Fuel Gauge
In an effort to figure out why the fuel gauge doesn't work on my Yak
52 project...I removed it and pulled the case apart. There's nothing inside
of it. F---ing Russians. Anybody have or know where to find a new/used
one?
Chris Keating
972-489-4504
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Try West London Aero Club Russian Engineering. They say they out on their
website currently. They usually have them in stock though.
http://www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk/main.asp?ID=6
<http://www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk/main.asp?ID=6&Manu=&Start=10>
&Manu=&Start=10
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
netmaster15@juno.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak Fuel Gauge
Chris Keating; Upon discovering a partially inop fuel indicator in my yak 50
a year or two ago, I contacted Jill Genetzke Hayse in Kingman Arizona. She
said she had a used one on hand but did not know if it worked. When I
received it I put it into my aircraft and found that it too was partially
inop-except that it was slightly less inop than my original unit ; still,
all the lights were not functioning. I swapped bulbs around but never was
able to achieve a fully functioning unit. At that time, Jill indicated that
these units were hard to find. I don't know what the present availability
is; I'm still operating with the top two light levels inop and timing my
fuel use. Suggest you contact Jill and make an inquiry.
Cliff Umscheid
-- "TXYak" <CKeating@peoplepc.com> wrote:
In an effort to figure out why the fuel gauge doesn't work on my Yak 52
project...I removed it and pulled the case apart. There's nothing inside of
it. F---ing Russians. Anybody have or know where to find a new/used one?
Chris Keating
972-489-4504
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08 |
The Yak-52 could be called a Cessna 152 as far as stall characteristics.
The thing is simple and gentle, but has the capability of performing
aggressive/advanced aerobatics.
You say Flat Inverted Spin???? Oh no... "Mr. Bill" HELP ME!!! Any
aircraft will enter a flat inverted spin if given the wrong inputs at the right
time, but... the plane will pretty much come out of this uncomfortable maneuver
on it's own if left alone.
Come on Ladies, The thing is a BASIC trainer period.
Simple/honest/forgiving flight characteristics.
Guys get themselves into "situations" with any aircraft from basic trainers
like Cessna 152's to high performance Lancair's to turbine aircraft.
CJ or Yak, they're both BASIC very SIMPLE aircraft to operate and if you
think otherwise then fly the thing within YOUR limitations and give it the
respect that YOU need to give it to operate the thing.
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08 |
I don't know how this ended up in this thread, but I have to respond.
The Yak-52 IS a straightforward aircraft, but it does have some unusual characteristics.
Upright flat the stick is "pinned" in the corner and takes considerable
force to get it out. A couple of very high time pilots have been killed
in the -52 because they didn't understand the spin characteristics and/or recovery
techniques.
I'm not trying to scare people, quite the contrary. It is a great aircraft for
it's purpose and is very predictable once you are familiar with it's characteristics.
BUT to say you go out and fly a -52 within your limits as the end of
the discussion neglects getting into situations your unaccustomed to at an inopportune
moment. At those times it's training, type specific training, that
could save your life.
Go out and get full spin training in the aircraft. It will make you a more confident
and capable pilot, and it's fun!
Barry (I sell CJ's, but have many hours in Yaks and think they're great too) Hancock
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Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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| Subject: | Re: Yak Fuel Gauge |
Thanks for the responses. It looks like I've located one that one of our members
has. If not I'll try WLAC.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08 |
I have probably as much inside/outside flat spin experience as most and the
first time in the 52 52 surprised me with the higher than amount of force it
took to get the stick out of the corner. Nothing dangerous, once you know
it's there, but certainly "different." I was told it's centrifugal force
working on the counterweights. Is there any truth to that?
bd
On 11/4/08 7:17 PM, "barryhancock" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com> wrote:
> <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
>
> I don't know how this ended up in this thread, but I have to respond.
>
> The Yak-52 IS a straightforward aircraft, but it does have some unusual
> characteristics. Upright flat the stick is "pinned" in the corner and takes
> considerable force to get it out. A couple of very high time pilots have
> been killed in the -52 because they didn't understand the spin characteristics
> and/or recovery techniques.
>
> I'm not trying to scare people, quite the contrary. It is a great aircraft
> for it's purpose and is very predictable once you are familiar with it's
> characteristics. BUT to say you go out and fly a -52 within your limits as
> the end of the discussion neglects getting into situations your unaccustomed
> to at an inopportune moment. At those times it's training, type specific
> training, that could save your life.
>
> Go out and get full spin training in the aircraft. It will make you a more
> confident and capable pilot, and it's fun!
>
> Barry (I sell CJ's, but have many hours in Yaks and think they're great too)
> Hancock
>
> --------
> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212360#212360
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08 |
Here's an article that some may not have read concerning spins in the
Yak 52. The last two sentences of the Introduction are of the utmost
importance.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Budd Davisson
To: Yak List
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08
I have probably as much inside/outside flat spin experience as most
and the
first time in the 52 52 surprised me with the higher than amount of
force it
took to get the stick out of the corner. Nothing dangerous, once you
know
it's there, but certainly "different." I was told it's centrifugal
force
working on the counterweights. Is there any truth to that?
bd
On 11/4/08 7:17 PM, "barryhancock" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
wrote:
> <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
>
> I don't know how this ended up in this thread, but I have to
respond.
>
> The Yak-52 IS a straightforward aircraft, but it does have some
unusual
> characteristics. Upright flat the stick is "pinned" in the corner
and takes
> considerable force to get it out. A couple of very high time
pilots have
> been killed in the -52 because they didn't understand the spin
characteristics
> and/or recovery techniques.
>
> I'm not trying to scare people, quite the contrary. It is a great
aircraft
> for it's purpose and is very predictable once you are familiar with
it's
> characteristics. BUT to say you go out and fly a -52 within your
limits as
> the end of the discussion neglects getting into situations your
unaccustomed
> to at an inopportune moment. At those times it's training, type
specific
> training, that could save your life.
>
> Go out and get full spin training in the aircraft. It will make you
a more
> confident and capable pilot, and it's fun!
>
> Barry (I sell CJ's, but have many hours in Yaks and think they're
great too)
> Hancock
>
> --------
> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212360#212360
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Want to buy a Yak-52, have some questions |
If anyone is interested the facility I work for, the National AeroSpace Training and Research (NASTAR) Center, offers anti-g training. www.nastarcenter.com We have a full motion sustained g simulator capable of 9+ g's if you're really feeling froggy! Contact me off-line if anyone is interested.
Scott Glaser
N8252
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The Defiant Company
www.thedefiantcompany.com
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08 |
This is very interesting. Is it possible to get the full text somehow,
somewhere ? Willing to pay for it!
And if I read it well, there's a strong argument against closing the aileron
gaps in order to improve the roll rate ?
Jan
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: woensdag 5 november 2008 4:26
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08
Here's an article that some may not have read concerning spins in the Yak
52. The last two sentences of the Introduction are of the utmost
importance.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Budd Davisson <mailto:buddairbum@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 35 Msgs - 11/03/08
I have probably as much inside/outside flat spin experience as most and the
first time in the 52 52 surprised me with the higher than amount of force it
took to get the stick out of the corner. Nothing dangerous, once you know
it's there, but certainly "different." I was told it's centrifugal force
working on the counterweights. Is there any truth to that?
bd
On 11/4/08 7:17 PM, "barryhancock" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com> wrote:
> <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
>
> I don't know how this ended up in this thread, but I have to respond.
>
> The Yak-52 IS a straightforward aircraft, but it does have some unusual
> characteristics. Upright flat the stick is "pinned" in the corner and
takes
> considerable force to get it out. A couple of very high time pilots have
> been killed in the -52 because they didn't understand the spin
characteristics
> and/or recovery techniques.
>
> I'm not trying to scare people, quite the contrary. It is a great
aircraft
> for it's purpose and is very predictable once you are familiar with it's
> characteristics. BUT to say you go out and fly a -52 within your limits
as
> the end of the discussion neglects getting into situations your
unaccustomed
> to at an inopportune moment. At those times it's training, type specific
> training, that could save your life.
>
> Go out and get full spin training in the aircraft. It will make you a
more
> confident and capable pilot, and it's fun!
>
> Barry (I sell CJ's, but have many hours in Yaks and think they're great
too)
> Hancock
>
> --------
> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212360#212360
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