---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/13/08: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:47 AM - Those damn cows.... (Jerome van der Schaar) 2. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: Spin on Filter (Roger Kemp MD) 3. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: Champion spark plugs (PeteAbbott@aol.com) 4. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Champion spark plugs (Bill Geipel) 5. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Champion spark plugs (A. Dennis Savarese) 6. 07:46 AM - "off subject" THE SR-71 'BLACKBIRD' (Terry Lewis) 7. 08:31 AM - Re: "off subject" THE SR-71 'BLACKBIRD' (Roger Kemp MD) 8. 08:44 AM - Re: Yak 52 Serviceable or new control surfaces (tjyak50) 9. 09:32 AM - Instrument Rating in a Yak-52 (shinden33) 10. 09:54 AM - Re: Instrument Rating in a Yak-52 (Bill Geipel) 11. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: Champion spark plugs (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 12. 11:43 AM - Re: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 13. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: Champion spark plugs (Jan Mevis) 14. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: Champion spark plugs (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 15. 12:35 PM - Re: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft (doug sapp) 16. 12:51 PM - Re: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft (Roger Kemp MD) 17. 01:32 PM - For Sale Avionics (skidmk) 18. 01:39 PM - Re: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft (keithmckinley) 19. 02:36 PM - Re: Re: Champion spark plugs (A. Dennis Savarese) 20. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: Champion spark plugs (cjpilot710@aol.com) 21. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Spin on Filter (Jeff Pritchard) 22. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: Champion spark plugs (doug sapp) 23. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Champion spark plugs (A. Dennis Savarese) 24. 07:04 PM - Re: CJ-6 Instrument Panel CAD file (Craig Winkelmann) 25. 07:07 PM - Re: CJ-6 Instrument Panel CAD file (keithmckinley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:36 AM PST US From: "Jerome van der Schaar" Subject: Yak-List: Those damn cows.... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=83b_1226520520 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:36 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp MD" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Spin on Filter Craig Payne has a spin on kit. He is at KLAL. doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:33 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spin on Filter I beat that one to death a year ago. Look back at the pictures I posted and you can see my instillation or I can email you the specs. I have a Airwolf but you only need to buy the mounting from one of the CJ guys and then use my install. I will save you a lot of money because Airwolf will sell you a bunch of stuff you don't and can't use. I did send them the install package I did but they never posted it anywhere that I can see. Dale Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213859#213859 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:17 AM PST US From: PeteAbbott@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs We converted our 52 to this system. It was the best money I ever spent. The difference in starting, performance and idle smoothness was very noticeable. Thanks to Dennis. Pete Abbott N852GC **************Get movies delivered to your mailbox. One month free from blockbuster.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:30 AM PST US From: "Bill Geipel" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs How much does the entire conversion cost? _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PeteAbbott@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs We converted our 52 to this system. It was the best money I ever spent. The difference in starting, performance and idle smoothness was very noticeable. Thanks to Dennis. Pete Abbott N852GC _____ Get movies delivered to yo00784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.emai l_footer">One month free from blockbuster.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:29 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs Bill, It's $423.00. Includes shipping and insurance and everything you need to accomplish the conversion. Here's the link to the conversion kit info. http://www.yak-52.com/plug_conversion.htm You can also download the installation instructions from this page if you want to read them ahead of time. Kits are in stock. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Geipel To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs How much does the entire conversion cost? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PeteAbbott@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:56 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs We converted our 52 to this system. It was the best money I ever spent. The difference in starting, performance and idle smoothness was very noticeable. Thanks to Dennis. Pete Abbott N852GC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get movies delivered to yo00784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r .email_footer">One month free from blockbuster.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:58 AM PST US From: "Terry Lewis" Subject: Yak-List: "off subject" THE SR-71 'BLACKBIRD' ----- Original Message ----- From: JAKESLAKE@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:26 AM Subject: THE SR-71 'BLACKBIRD'--UNMATCHED EXCELLENCE! FELLOW AVIATORS & AVIATION ENTHUSIASTS, A GREAT PRESENTATION OF THE PROWESS OF 'THE BLACKBIRD'--PRODUCT OF KELLY JOHNSON'S ENGINEERING GENIUS!...ENJOY! http://www.greatdanepromilitary.com/SR-71/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:32 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp MD" Subject: RE: Yak-List: "off subject" THE SR-71 'BLACKBIRD' Sierra Hotel. Thanks, Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Lewis Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: Yak-List: "off subject" THE SR-71 'BLACKBIRD' ----- Original Message ----- From: JAKESLAKE@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:26 AM Subject: THE SR-71 'BLACKBIRD'--UNMATCHED EXCELLENCE! FELLOW AVIATORS & AVIATION ENTHUSIASTS, A GREAT PRESENTATION OF THE PROWESS OF 'THE BLACKBIRD'--PRODUCT OF KELLY JOHNSON'S ENGINEERING GENIUS!...ENJOY! http://www.greatdanepromilitary.com/SR-71/index.htm _____ Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:24 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 Serviceable or new control surfaces From: "tjyak50" Steve: You are still looking for a set of Flight Controls for a Yak 52. Did you ever find any? Elevators, Rudder, Ailerons? Tj Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213941#213941 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:59 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Instrument Rating in a Yak-52 From: "shinden33" Anyone ever heard of anyone getting an instrument ticket in a '52? -------- The Defiant Company www.thedefiantcompany.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213947#213947 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:13 AM PST US From: "Bill Geipel" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Instrument Rating in a Yak-52 If the examiner agrees to do it and the airplane is so equipped and current pitot static, xpnder etc, it is legal. We have done a commercial rating. The examiners (designees) are just excited to fly in the Yak. This is why they would agree to it. Do it with the canopy open in actual. How cool would that be. Issue goggles to him and a scarf. Then you should write an article on the check ride. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shinden33 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Yak-List: Instrument Rating in a Yak-52 Anyone ever heard of anyone getting an instrument ticket in a '52? -------- The Defiant Company www.thedefiantcompany.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213947#213947 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:02 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" I have converted my YAK-50 to this system and recorded the following immediately after the conversion: 1. Idle became perfectly smooth where before it loped quite a bit. 2. Idle RPM with no other adjustments, increased by 4 percent. 3. Mag Drop DECREASED by just short of 2 percent on either MAG. Downside: Radio ignition noise did in fact increase by a very very small amount. Before the conversion I had noise so low it was difficult to measure. Now when receiving a very weak signal I can hear the plugs firing. This noise in no way decreases overall radio performance. I have to date worked with this modification on a YAK-50, a YAK-52, a Sukhoi 26, and two Sukhoi 31's and one Sukhoi 29. Every Suke had the PF engine. Results were close to identical with every one modified. Cleaning plugs is a thing of the past. You just buy new ones at about 1/20th of the cost (+/-). Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PeteAbbott@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs We converted our 52 to this system. It was the best money I ever spent. The difference in starting, performance and idle smoothness was very noticeable. Thanks to Dennis. Pete Abbott N852GC ________________________________ Get movies delivered to yo00784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r. email_footer">One month free from blockbuster.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Regarding the difference between passing along interesting and new information and just plain out advertising, how would you classify this? Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of maggieannya Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:49 AM Subject: Yak-List: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft Hi ,This is Maggie from China. We have some hot offer in stock as following: DZ-5 Spark plugs 560 H2-4150-00 Main Gear Actuator 4 H2-4250-00 Nose Gear Actuator 5 Any interesting,pls feel free to contact me. Maggie -------- This is Maggie from Xi'an Li Chuang Electronics. We are Nanchang aircraft parts trader in China Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213891#213891 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:40 PM PST US From: "Jan Mevis" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs I had the same positive experience on my Yak 50. More noise problems though, but that vanished after replacing the original Russian radio by a decent Becker. Jan Mevis RA2005K -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: donderdag 13 november 2008 20:37 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs MALS-14 64E" I have converted my YAK-50 to this system and recorded the following immediately after the conversion: 1. Idle became perfectly smooth where before it loped quite a bit. 2. Idle RPM with no other adjustments, increased by 4 percent. 3. Mag Drop DECREASED by just short of 2 percent on either MAG. Downside: Radio ignition noise did in fact increase by a very very small amount. Before the conversion I had noise so low it was difficult to measure. Now when receiving a very weak signal I can hear the plugs firing. This noise in no way decreases overall radio performance. I have to date worked with this modification on a YAK-50, a YAK-52, a Sukhoi 26, and two Sukhoi 31's and one Sukhoi 29. Every Suke had the PF engine. Results were close to identical with every one modified. Cleaning plugs is a thing of the past. You just buy new ones at about 1/20th of the cost (+/-). Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PeteAbbott@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs We converted our 52 to this system. It was the best money I ever spent. The difference in starting, performance and idle smoothness was very noticeable. Thanks to Dennis. Pete Abbott N852GC ________________________________ Get movies delivered to yo00784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r. email_footer">One month free from blockbuster.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:40 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Dennis, I read your web site description, and I would offer one suggestion. For anyone contemplating performing this mod, go to Sears, or Snap-On, or any good tool dealer and purchase an 11 MM socket with a ball adapter rear. Sockets with a ball type swivel can be hard to find without purchasing a complete impact tool kit, which is kind of expensive (but in my mind worth it). An alternative is a 11 meter short socket with a standard swivel joint built in. A standard 11mm socket with an external swivel adapter snapped on won't get it. You need a socket with either a ball or swivel mounted right to it, as in a "single tool". It CAN BE DONE without this tool, as described in the web page. However if you HAVE this tool when you go to remove one or two of those 11 mm nuts, you will be a much happier camper. Bill... In your case, you don't need one. Follow the instructions exactly. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs Bill, It's $423.00. Includes shipping and insurance and everything you need to accomplish the conversion. Here's the link to the conversion kit info. http://www.yak-52.com/plug_conversion.htm You can also download the installation instructions from this page if you want to read them ahead of time. Kits are in stock. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Geipel To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs How much does the entire conversion cost? ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PeteAbbott@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:56 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs We converted our 52 to this system. It was the best money I ever spent. The difference in starting, performance and idle smoothness was very noticeable. Thanks to Dennis. Pete Abbott N852GC ________________________________ Get movies delivered to yo00784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r. email_footer">One month free from blockbuster.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:36 PM PST US From: "doug sapp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft Mark, A long time ago some one sent me a photo of a crotchety old codger, under it it said: I do not know you I do not know your reputation I do not know your company I do not know your product I do not know your prices or your policies Tell me again why I should buy your product? But all the above aside, the real question is not about the difference between info and advertising, but how you can control it. The answer is that you cannot control it. The yak list is a open list, and that is a good thing. But if you think about it from your side of the fence, the buyers side, it is in a way good for the community because it keeps all of us resellers honest. If we inflate our prices past the point to where it is attractive for you or anyone else to take the chance and send money to a total stranger in a foreign country, then we (the resellers) loose. In other words this type of a post helps keeps prices in line. I have checked the prices these people offer FOB China, most all exceed the prices I charge for the same part FOB Omak. The difference is because they are middle men (broker types), and I buy from the source, and I buy in volume. Hope this answers your question. Doug On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > MALS-14 64E" > > Regarding the difference between passing along interesting and new > information and just plain out advertising, how would you classify this? > > > Mark Bitterlich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of maggieannya > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:49 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft > > > Hi ,This is Maggie from China. > We have some hot offer in stock as following: > DZ-5 Spark plugs 560 > H2-4150-00 Main Gear Actuator 4 > H2-4250-00 Nose Gear Actuator 5 > > Any interesting,pls feel free to contact me. > > > Maggie > > -------- > This is Maggie from Xi'an Li Chuang Electronics. > We are Nanchang aircraft parts trader in China > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213891#213891 > > -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:53 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp MD" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft Well Doug, You fit the crotchety old codger part but as to the rest..they can bugger off! You have always come through with the parts I need even when in a pinch with a price I could afford. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft Mark, A long time ago some one sent me a photo of a crotchety old codger, under it it said: I do not know you I do not know your reputation I do not know your company I do not know your product I do not know your prices or your policies Tell me again why I should buy your product? Hope this answers your question. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:44 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: For Sale Avionics From: "skidmk" Hi Guys,,, upgrading panel selling narco 810 flip flop com,, working well when removed, yellow tag with tray and connecter. 1000.00 obo also narco 825 nav with LOC and GS head, again working when removed, yellow tag with tray connectors and antenna pigtail. 1350.00 obo thanks Skid -------- Mike "Skidmk" Bourget Ottawa, Ontario Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213980#213980 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:14 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft From: "keithmckinley" Classification: SPAM -------- Keith McKinley 700 HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213981#213981 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:21 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs I agree 100% Mark. The absolute best way to remove the 11 mm nuts holding the ring is with a swivel socket (as it's called). The only reason I didn't want to put that specifically in the instructions is I didn't want folks to think they'd have to purchase special tools to do the job. I felt that could potentially be discouraging. On the other hand, if someone is a tool nut like I am, having a set of 1/4 drive metric swivel sockets is a blessing. Again, your point is well taken. FWIW, whenever I do an installation I absolutely MUST have the 11 mm swivel socket. It saves time and makes the job easier. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs Point, MALS-14 64E" Dennis, I read your web site description, and I would offer one suggestion. For anyone contemplating performing this mod, go to Sears, or Snap-On, or any good tool dealer and purchase an 11 MM socket with a ball adapter rear. Sockets with a ball type swivel can be hard to find without purchasing a complete impact tool kit, which is kind of expensive (but in my mind worth it). An alternative is a 11 meter short socket with a standard swivel joint built in. A standard 11mm socket with an external swivel adapter snapped on won't get it. You need a socket with either a ball or swivel mounted right to it, as in a "single tool". It CAN BE DONE without this tool, as described in the web page. However if you HAVE this tool when you go to remove one or two of those 11 mm nuts, you will be a much happier camper. Bill... In your case, you don't need one. Follow the instructions exactly. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:35 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs Bill, It's $423.00. Includes shipping and insurance and everything you need to accomplish the conversion. Here's the link to the conversion kit info. http://www.yak-52.com/plug_conversion.htm You can also download the installation instructions from this page if you want to read them ahead of time. Kits are in stock. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Geipel To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs How much does the entire conversion cost? ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PeteAbbott@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:56 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs We converted our 52 to this system. It was the best money I ever spent. The difference in starting, performance and idle smoothness was very noticeable. Thanks to Dennis. Pete Abbott N852GC ________________________________ Get movies delivered to yo00784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r .. email_footer">One month free from blockbuster.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:35 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs In a message dated 11/13/2008 5:37:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net writes: It took me 4 hours to remove the old harness and 4 hours to install the new harness (taking my time) in a hot Americas, Ga. field. Once the old harness starts breaking down, you might as well get rid of it. No amount of changing plugs nor fancy ones will cure that problem. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby I agree 100% Mark. The absolute best way to remove the 11 mm nuts holding the ring is with a swivel socket (as it's called). The only reason I didn't want to put that specifically in the instructions is I didn't want folks to think they'd have to purchase special tools to do the job. I felt that could potentially be discouraging. On the other hand, if someone is a tool nut like I am, having a set of 1/4 drive metric swivel sockets is a blessing. Again, your point is well taken. FWIW, whenever I do an installation I absolutely MUST have the 11 mm swivel socket. It saves time and makes the job easier. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: _Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E_ (mailto:mark.bitterlich@navy.mil) Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs MALS-14 64E" <_mark.bitterlich@navy.mil_ (mailto:mark.bitterlich@navy.mil) > Dennis, I read your web site description, and I would offer one suggestion. For anyone contemplating performing this mod, go to Sears, or Snap-On, or any good tool dealer and purchase an 11 MM socket with a ball adapter rear. Sockets with a ball type swivel can be hard to find without purchasing a complete impact tool kit, which is kind of expensive (but in my mind worth it). An alternative is a 11 meter short socket with a standard swivel joint built in. A standard 11mm socket with an external swivel adapter snapped on won't get it. You need a socket with either a ball or swivel mounted right to it, as in a "single tool". It CAN BE DONE without this tool, as described in the web page. However if you HAVE this tool when you go to remove one or two of those 11 mm nuts, you will be a much happier camper. Bill... In your case, you don't need one. Follow the instructions exactly. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: _owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs Bill, It's $423.00. Includes shipping and insurance and everything you need to accomplish the conversion. Here's the link to the conversion kit info. _http://www.yak-52.com/plug_conversion.htm_ (http://www.yak-52.com/plug_conversion.htm) You can also download the installation instructions from this page if you want to read them ahead of time. Kits are in stock. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Geipel <_mailto:czech6@mesanetworks.net_ (mailto:czech6@mesanetworks.net) > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs How much does the entire conversion cost? ________________________________ From: _owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of _PeteAbbott@aol.com_ (mailto:PeteAbbott@aol.com) Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs We converted our 52 to this system. It was the best money I ever spent. The difference in starting, performance and idle smoothness was very noticeable. Thanks to Dennis. Pete Abbott **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:29 PM PST US From: "Jeff Pritchard" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Spin on Filter Craig Payne, could you please contact Jeff Pritchard of list at jeffpritchard@cox.net. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Roger Kemp MD wrote: > > Craig Payne has a spin on kit. He is at KLAL. > doc > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:33 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spin on Filter > > > I beat that one to death a year ago. Look back at the pictures I posted > and > you can see my instillation or I can email you the specs. I have a Airwolf > but you only need to buy the mounting from one of the CJ guys and then use > my install. I will save you a lot of money because Airwolf will sell you a > bunch of stuff you don't and can't use. I did send them the install package > I did but they never posted it anywhere that I can see. > > Dale > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213859#213859 > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:45 PM PST US From: "doug sapp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs Dennis, I am operating just off memory right now but about 2 years ago I think I had a conversation with a gent from AU about a problem with these same 11mm nuts needing to be checked every 100 hours or so for tightness, this to prevent the loss of the blower seal, which if I recall is what happened to him. He indicated that there was a card on this item in the M14P maintenance info. You M14P types would know better, perhaps Jill, George Coy, or some of you other 360 hp sages might shed some light on the question. Are you possibly courting a problem if these nuts are not returned to their proper torque values? Always Yakin, Doug On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:35 PM, A. Dennis Savarese < dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I agree 100% Mark. The absolute best way to remove the 11 mm nuts > holding the ring is with a swivel socket (as it's called). The only reason > I didn't want to put that specifically in the instructions is I didn't want > folks to think they'd have to purchase special tools to do the job. I felt > that could potentially be discouraging. On the other hand, if someone is a > tool nut like I am, having a set of 1/4 drive metric swivel sockets is a > blessing. Again, your point is well taken. > > FWIW, whenever I do an installation I absolutely MUST have the 11 mm swivel > socket. It saves time and makes the job easier. > Dennis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:16 PM > *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs > > MALS-14 64E" > > Dennis, I read your web site description, and I would offer one > suggestion. > > For anyone contemplating performing this mod, go to Sears, or Snap-On, > or any good tool dealer and purchase an 11 MM socket with a ball adapter > rear. Sockets with a ball type swivel can be hard to find without > purchasing a complete impact tool kit, which is kind of expensive (but > in my mind worth it). An alternative is a 11 meter short socket with a > standard swivel joint built in. > > A standard 11mm socket with an external swivel adapter snapped on won't > get it. You need a socket with either a ball or swivel mounted right to > it, as in a "single tool". > > It CAN BE DONE without this tool, as described in the web page. However > if you HAVE this tool when you go to remove one or two of those 11 mm > nuts, you will be a much happier camper. > > Bill... In your case, you don't need one. Follow the instructions > exactly. > > Mark Bitterlich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis > Savarese > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:35 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs > > Bill, > It's $423.00. Includes shipping and insurance and everything you need > to accomplish the conversion. Here's the link to the conversion kit > info. http://www.yak-52.com/plug_conversion.htm You can also download > the installation instructions from this page if you want to read them > ahead of time. Kits are in stock. > Dennis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Geipel > > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:24 AM > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs > > > How much does the entire conversion cost? > > > ________________________________ > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > PeteAbbott@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:56 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs > > > We converted our 52 to this system. It was the best money I ever > spent. The difference in starting, performance and idle smoothness was > very noticeable. Thanks to Dennis. > > > Pete Abbott > > > N852GC > > > ________________________________ > > > Get movies delivered to > yo00784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r. > email_footer">One month free from blockbuster.com > > > http://www.matronics.com/cnbsp; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month > (And Get the Annual link Free > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > Thank you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, List > nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics========================<; > via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _============= > > > * > > -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:48 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs Doug, The 11 mm nuts use the tabs on the ring as flat washers. There is or should be a lock washer behind the nut. I supply SS flat washers to replace the tab from the ring. After removing the ring, the customer is suppose to install the new SS flat washer, lock washer and 11 mm nut. What I have found while installing the kit is, some of these 11 mm nuts are not very tight to begin with. While I'm at it and because the ring is no longer a hindrance to getting at these 11 mm nuts around the supercharger case, I go around and tighten all of them. Takes only a couple of minutes to do it. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: doug sapp To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs Dennis, I am operating just off memory right now but about 2 years ago I think I had a conversation with a gent from AU about a problem with these same 11mm nuts needing to be checked every 100 hours or so for tightness, this to prevent the loss of the blower seal, which if I recall is what happened to him. He indicated that there was a card on this item in the M14P maintenance info. You M14P types would know better, perhaps Jill, George Coy, or some of you other 360 hp sages might shed some light on the question. Are you possibly courting a problem if these nuts are not returned to their proper torque values? Always Yakin, Doug On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:35 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote: I agree 100% Mark. The absolute best way to remove the 11 mm nuts holding the ring is with a swivel socket (as it's called). The only reason I didn't want to put that specifically in the instructions is I didn't want folks to think they'd have to purchase special tools to do the job. I felt that could potentially be discouraging. On the other hand, if someone is a tool nut like I am, having a set of 1/4 drive metric swivel sockets is a blessing. Again, your point is well taken. FWIW, whenever I do an installation I absolutely MUST have the 11 mm swivel socket. It saves time and makes the job easier. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs Point, MALS-14 64E" Dennis, I read your web site description, and I would offer one suggestion. For anyone contemplating performing this mod, go to Sears, or Snap-On, or any good tool dealer and purchase an 11 MM socket with a ball adapter rear. Sockets with a ball type swivel can be hard to find without purchasing a complete impact tool kit, which is kind of expensive (but in my mind worth it). An alternative is a 11 meter short socket with a standard swivel joint built in. A standard 11mm socket with an external swivel adapter snapped on won't get it. You need a socket with either a ball or swivel mounted right to it, as in a "single tool". It CAN BE DONE without this tool, as described in the web page. However if you HAVE this tool when you go to remove one or two of those 11 mm nuts, you will be a much happier camper. Bill... In your case, you don't need one. Follow the instructions exactly. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:35 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs Bill, It's $423.00. Includes shipping and insurance and everything you need to accomplish the conversion. Here's the link to the conversion kit info. http://www.yak-52.com/plug_conversion.htm You can also download the installation instructions from this page if you want to read them ahead of time. Kits are in stock. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Geipel To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs How much does the entire conversion cost? ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PeteAbbott@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:56 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Champion spark plugs We converted our 52 to this system. It was the best money I ever spent. The difference in starting, performance and idle smoothness was very noticeable. Thanks to Dennis. Pete Abbott N852GC ________________________________ Get movies delivered to yo00784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r .. email_footer">One month free from blockbuster.com http://www.matronics.com/cnbsp; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get the Annual link Free href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Thank you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, List nbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics ========================< ; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _============= -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:24 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6 Instrument Panel CAD file From: "Craig Winkelmann" Barry Hancock had a shop on the field at Chino CNC cut the panels for my CJ (I don't remember if Barry had blank panels made at Chino too or if he started with blanks provided by Doug). Barry has a panel layout program that is excellent. All of the centerlines match up, screw holes are accurately placed, etc, etc. You can either tell the program the instrument or radio you are trying to mount and it has the dimensions for it, or you can tell it to do standard size holes. He can also get the panels powder coated for you. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214052#214052 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:48 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ-6 Instrument Panel CAD file From: "keithmckinley" Barry has all the good stuff! 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