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0. 12:17 AM - Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%... (Matt Dralle)
1. 03:24 AM - Re: Instrument Rating in a Yak-52 (steve and donna hanshew)
2. 04:43 AM - Re: Instrument Rating in a Yak-52 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 07:16 AM - Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! (Elmar Hegenauer)
4. 07:34 AM - Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! (Bill Geipel)
5. 07:41 AM - Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! (doug sapp)
6. 07:42 AM - Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! (Terry Lewis)
7. 07:48 AM - Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! (doug sapp)
8. 08:20 AM - Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! (Bill Geipel)
9. 10:03 AM - Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 10:42 AM - Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! (YakL1@aol.com)
11. 01:57 PM - Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
12. 01:57 PM - Re: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
13. 02:23 PM - Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! (steve and donna hanshew)
14. 02:34 PM - Removing Paint Residue (Dennis Von Ruden)
15. 03:04 PM - Maintaince stuff (skidmk)
16. 03:09 PM - Doug Sapp again (Elmar Hegenauer)
17. 03:36 PM - Re: Doug Sapp again (Bill Geipel)
18. 04:01 PM - Re: Removing Paint Residue (doug sapp)
19. 04:07 PM - replacing handles etc (skidmk)
20. 04:33 PM - Re: Maintaince stuff (Craig Payne)
21. 04:53 PM - Re: Doug Sapp again (Craig Payne)
22. 05:44 PM - Re: Maintaince stuff (skidmk)
23. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: Maintaince stuff (Yak Pilot)
24. 06:54 PM - Re: Doug Sapp again (Yak Pilot)
25. 07:56 PM - Re: Maintenance stuff (Roger Kemp MD)
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| Subject: | Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%... |
As of the 13th, the Fund Raiser is currently about 30% behind last year in terms
of the number of Contributions. Yet, oddly the number of messages posted per
day is up by 10 to 20% on the average. It costs real money to run these Lists
and they are supported 100% though your Contributions during the Fund Raiser.
Won't you please take a minute right now to make your Contribution to keep
these Lists up and running?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Rating in a Yak-52 |
not yet. why not? I did my Commercial check ride in our CJ6...
Donna Hanshew
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From: "shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:32 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Instrument Rating in a Yak-52
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Rating in a Yak-52 |
In a message dated 11/14/2008 6:25:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dhanshew@cinci.rr.com writes:
I guess if you have the needed radio's for the flight check, you could do
it. But because of the almost neutral stability of the 52, you'd be spending
a
whole lot of time just flying the airplane. I believe you'd find the work
load pretty high. Years ago I got a instrument rating in a helicopter ( a
206A without SAS). It was not fun! The examiner had to hold and flip charts
for me. With every frequency change I had to make on the radios, was followed
by having to recover from an unusual attitude. The B-24 is much the same.
One pilot is doing nothing but flying while the other does all the radios,
com. chart flipping and reading.
During instrument flight a pilot is not only concern with keeping the
airplane upright, but managing the flight. Reading the charts, approach plates,
setting up radios, dealing with ATC, etc. The stability of the aircraft has a
significant effect on the work load. I just don't think the 52 was one -
built for that, and 2 - would make a good trainer.
Good luck on your endeavor!
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
--> Yak-List message posted by: "steve and donna hanshew"
<dhanshew@cinci.rr.com>
not yet. why not? I did my Commercial check ride in our CJ6...
Donna Hanshew
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From: "shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:32 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Instrument Rating in a Yak-52
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| Subject: | Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! |
I am obviously the only one on this
list who is not happy with Doug Sapp.
I have my issues with Doug regarding
sending me the wrong parts, inferior parts
what break in a couple of hours on me,
no refund when sent some parts back
and sending me insulting emails claiming
everything is my fault (BTW, I kept all the
correspondence and invoices) and I am
very glad that I haven't bought anything
real expensive from Doug.
Since last year I am buying from Chinese
parts dealers and I am very happy with what
I see. Their parts are all brand-new, shipping
time is within 2 weeks and on top of it I pay less.
I can only speak for myself but I give those
guys from China a chance, how do we know
if nobody starts trying it ?
Just a thought.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! |
This probably could have been handled between the 2 of you instead of the
world. But it is a free country.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elmar Hegenauer
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:18 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts!
I am obviously the only one on this
list who is not happy with Doug Sapp.
I have my issues with Doug regarding
sending me the wrong parts, inferior parts
what break in a couple of hours on me,
no refund when sent some parts back
and sending me insulting emails claiming
everything is my fault (BTW, I kept all the
correspondence and invoices) and I am
very glad that I haven't bought anything
real expensive from Doug.
Since last year I am buying from Chinese
parts dealers and I am very happy with what
I see. Their parts are all brand-new, shipping
time is within 2 weeks and on top of it I pay less.
I can only speak for myself but I give those
guys from China a chance, how do we know
if nobody starts trying it ?
Just a thought.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! |
Elmar,
My parts are guarenteed, if you don't like them, you don't own them.
PERIOD.
The problem with you is that when I told you that all my parts bear a
witness mark to make sure that no mix up occures, you took offense. And by
the way you never did send the part back did you?? I have to wonder if why
not, you know my guarentee, but you suddenly went silent when you discovered
I could tell rather the part was your old broken one or my part which you
claimed was defective.
The offer still stands Elmar, send the part back (my part) and I will
cheerfully refund your money. I really don't know how I can be more fair.
A saint, no never claimed to be, but I do price myself on being fair and
honest. But it seems your mileage does vary, and I'm truly sorry for that.
Always Yakin,
Doug
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Elmar Hegenauer <elmar.h@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> I am obviously the only one on this
> list who is not happy with Doug Sapp.
>
> I have my issues with Doug regarding
> sending me the wrong parts, inferior parts
> what break in a couple of hours on me,
> no refund when sent some parts back
> and sending me insulting emails claiming
> everything is my fault (BTW, I kept all the
> correspondence and invoices) and I am
> very glad that I haven't bought anything
> real expensive from Doug.
>
> Since last year I am buying from Chinese
> parts dealers and I am very happy with what
> I see. Their parts are all brand-new, shipping
> time is within 2 weeks and on top of it I pay less.
>
> I can only speak for myself but I give those
> guys from China a chance, how do we know
> if nobody starts trying it ?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
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Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! |
Doug,
Look at this sentence structure.
I think "Elmer" is Chinese.
Terry Lewis
---- Original Message -----
From: "Elmar Hegenauer" <elmar.h@shaw.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts!
>
> I am obviously the only one on this
> list who is not happy with Doug Sapp.
>
> I have my issues with Doug regarding
> sending me the wrong parts, inferior parts
> what break in a couple of hours on me,
> no refund when sent some parts back
> and sending me insulting emails claiming
> everything is my fault (BTW, I kept all the
> correspondence and invoices) and I am
> very glad that I haven't bought anything
> real expensive from Doug.
>
> Since last year I am buying from Chinese
> parts dealers and I am very happy with what
> I see. Their parts are all brand-new, shipping
> time is within 2 weeks and on top of it I pay less.
>
> I can only speak for myself but I give those
> guys from China a chance, how do we know
> if nobody starts trying it ?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! |
Bill,
I disagree, this is good healthy interchange which is good for the community
at large. Although I would agree that it should not go on and on, after the
initial post it should be taken off list. The list is a tool to keep the
community abreast of many items, scoundrels being in Lithuania or here at
home in the US are no different, we all need to stay informed. If no one
says anything then we run the chance of having a out of control situation as
we have now in Lithuania. Elmar has a right to voice his opinion. If he
feels cheated he should have a venue to express himself, its up to the rest
of the readers to be informed and make their own decision.
Best from Omak,
Doug
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Bill Geipel <czech6@mesanetworks.net>wrote:
>
> This probably could have been handled between the 2 of you instead of the
> world. But it is a free country.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elmar Hegenauer
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:18 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts!
>
>
> I am obviously the only one on this
> list who is not happy with Doug Sapp.
>
> I have my issues with Doug regarding
> sending me the wrong parts, inferior parts
> what break in a couple of hours on me,
> no refund when sent some parts back
> and sending me insulting emails claiming
> everything is my fault (BTW, I kept all the
> correspondence and invoices) and I am
> very glad that I haven't bought anything
> real expensive from Doug.
>
> Since last year I am buying from Chinese
> parts dealers and I am very happy with what
> I see. Their parts are all brand-new, shipping
> time is within 2 weeks and on top of it I pay less.
>
> I can only speak for myself but I give those
> guys from China a chance, how do we know
> if nobody starts trying it ?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! |
Saint Doug?? Has a nice ring to it.
All you Yak guys, How much is considered a reasonable donation to
Matronics??
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts!
Bill,
I disagree, this is good healthy interchange which is good for the community
at large. Although I would agree that it should not go on and on, after the
initial post it should be taken off list. The list is a tool to keep the
community abreast of many items, scoundrels being in Lithuania or here at
home in the US are no different, we all need to stay informed. If no one
says anything then we run the chance of having a out of control situation as
we have now in Lithuania. Elmar has a right to voice his opinion. If he
feels cheated he should have a venue to express himself, its up to the rest
of the readers to be informed and make their own decision.
Best from Omak,
Doug
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Bill Geipel <czech6@mesanetworks.net>
wrote:
This probably could have been handled between the 2 of you instead of the
world. But it is a free country.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elmar Hegenauer
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:18 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts!
I am obviously the only one on this
list who is not happy with Doug Sapp.
I have my issues with Doug regarding
sending me the wrong parts, inferior parts
what break in a couple of hours on me,
no refund when sent some parts back
and sending me insulting emails claiming
everything is my fault (BTW, I kept all the
correspondence and invoices) and I am
very glad that I haven't bought anything
real expensive from Doug.
Since last year I am buying from Chinese
parts dealers and I am very happy with what
I see. Their parts are all brand-new, shipping
time is within 2 weeks and on top of it I pay less.
I can only speak for myself but I give those
guys from China a chance, how do we know
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| Subject: | Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! |
>From my side of the fence, Doug is one of the best people I know and
certainly one of the most helpful, honest and fair people I have ever
had the privilege of doing business with as well. Without him, we'd all
be in deep doo-doo.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts!
Elmar,
My parts are guarenteed, if you don't like them, you don't own them.
PERIOD.
The problem with you is that when I told you that all my parts bear a
witness mark to make sure that no mix up occures, you took offense. And
by the way you never did send the part back did you?? I have to wonder
if why not, you know my guarentee, but you suddenly went silent when you
discovered I could tell rather the part was your old broken one or my
part which you claimed was defective.
The offer still stands Elmar, send the part back (my part) and I will
cheerfully refund your money. I really don't know how I can be more
fair.
A saint, no never claimed to be, but I do price myself on being fair
and honest. But it seems your mileage does vary, and I'm truly sorry
for that.
Always Yakin,
Doug
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Elmar Hegenauer <elmar.h@shaw.ca>
wrote:
I am obviously the only one on this
list who is not happy with Doug Sapp.
I have my issues with Doug regarding
sending me the wrong parts, inferior parts
what break in a couple of hours on me,
no refund when sent some parts back
and sending me insulting emails claiming
everything is my fault (BTW, I kept all the
correspondence and invoices) and I am
very glad that I haven't bought anything
real expensive from Doug.
Since last year I am buying from Chinese
parts dealers and I am very happy with what
I see. Their parts are all brand-new, shipping
time is within 2 weeks and on top of it I pay less.
I can only speak for myself but I give those
guys from China a chance, how do we know
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| Subject: | Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! |
Sir:
Anyone on this list (or anywhere else) that has ever dealt with Mr. Sapp
will testify loud and long about what a wonderful resource he is to this
community. He is all of that, but he is also a great guy who has repeatedly gone
WAY out on a limb to help out his customers. He took a flap off his own CJ-6
and sent it to me when I banged mine up. I am certain that this is only one
of many stories that can be told about his incredible customer service.
It appears from your post that you are not a native speaker of English.
Perhaps this has somehow lead you to misinterpret some portion of your
correspondence with him.
Doug has been here for us for years and years. He is a gentleman and a
professional. Many others have come and gone. Doug has my business
preferentially. He has never done anything to make me consider anything else
and has
repeatedly acted in a manner which will secure that claim.
I don't know anything about the specifics of your business dealings with
Doug, but I do know Doug as a resource person who has become a friend. You seem
to recognize that many of us feel the same way. Maybe you should ask
yourself why that is and reconsider your situation. In any case, you will make
no
headway on this list by slandering Mr. Sapp.
John Zecherle, MD
In a message dated 11/14/2008 7:17:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
elmar.h@shaw.ca writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Elmar Hegenauer <elmar.h@shaw.ca>
I am obviously the only one on this
list who is not happy with Doug Sapp.
I have my issues with Doug regarding
sending me the wrong parts, inferior parts
what break in a couple of hours on me,
no refund when sent some parts back
and sending me insulting emails claiming
everything is my fault (BTW, I kept all the
correspondence and invoices) and I am
very glad that I haven't bought anything
real expensive from Doug.
Since last year I am buying from Chinese
parts dealers and I am very happy with what
I see. Their parts are all brand-new, shipping
time is within 2 weeks and on top of it I pay less.
I can only speak for myself but I give those
guys from China a chance, how do we know
if nobody starts trying it ?
Just a thought.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! |
Elmar,
You are correct. To the best of my knowledge, you are
the only person on this list who is not happy with Doug Sapp.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elmar
Hegenauer
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts!
I am obviously the only one on this
list who is not happy with Doug Sapp.
I have my issues with Doug regarding
sending me the wrong parts, inferior parts what break in a couple of
hours on me, no refund when sent some parts back and sending me
insulting emails claiming everything is my fault (BTW, I kept all the
correspondence and invoices) and I am very glad that I haven't bought
anything real expensive from Doug.
Since last year I am buying from Chinese parts dealers and I am very
happy with what I see. Their parts are all brand-new, shipping time is
within 2 weeks and on top of it I pay less.
I can only speak for myself but I give those guys from China a chance,
how do we know if nobody starts trying it ?
Just a thought.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft |
Uhuh.... Well, I have some personal experience with purchasing aircraft
parts directly from Russia. I also have experience purchasing Russian
made parts from American middle men (and women). There is simply no
comparison. When the person you are dealing with is in another country,
it is very hard to hold that person 100% accountable. Of course that is
true of anyone anywhere, but Omak is right down the way from Whidbey
Island, which I go to regularly. I like the idea of being able to knock
on the door of the person I do business with.
What I learned from dealing directly with Russian agents is: "When you
both come to an agreement on the price, that is actually the START of
the negotiation and not the end of it".
I'll never do it again.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft
Mark,
A long time ago some one sent me a photo of a crotchety old codger,
under it it said:
I do not know you
I do not know your reputation
I do not know your company
I do not know your product
I do not know your prices or your policies Tell me again why I should
buy your product?
But all the above aside, the real question is not about the difference
between info and advertising, but how you can control it. The answer is
that you cannot control it. The yak list is a open list, and that is a
good thing. But if you think about it from your side of the fence, the
buyers side, it is in a way good for the community because it keeps all
of us resellers honest. If we inflate our prices past the point to
where it is attractive for you or anyone else to take the chance and
send money to a total stranger in a foreign country, then we (the
resellers) loose. In other words this type of a post helps keeps prices
in line. I have checked the prices these people offer FOB China, most
all exceed the prices I charge for the same part FOB Omak. The
difference is because they are middle men (broker types), and I buy from
the source, and I buy in volume. Hope this answers your question.
Doug
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Regarding the difference between passing along interesting and
new
information and just plain out advertising, how would you
classify this?
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
maggieannya
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:49 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Hot offer parts for CJ-6 aircraft
<annya_2008@yahoo.com.cn>
Hi ,This is Maggie from China.
We have some hot offer in stock as following:
DZ-5 Spark plugs 560
H2-4150-00 Main Gear Actuator 4
H2-4250-00 Nose Gear Actuator 5
Any interesting,pls feel free to contact me.
Maggie
--------
This is Maggie from Xi'an Li Chuang Electronics.
We are Nanchang aircraft parts trader in China
Read this topic online here:
--
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Phone 509-826-4610
Fax 509-826-3644
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| Subject: | Re: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts! |
I unequivocally second that sentiment. He's a hellvua fellow, even
though he was a 67N.
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts!
From my side of the fence, Doug is one of the best people I know and
certainly one of the most helpful, honest and fair people I have ever
had the privilege of doing business with as well. Without him, we'd all
be in deep doo-doo.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Doug Sapp a Saint??? I have my doubts!
Elmar,
My parts are guarenteed, if you don't like them, you don't own them.
PERIOD.
The problem with you is that when I told you that all my parts bear
a witness mark to make sure that no mix up occures, you took offense.
And by the way you never did send the part back did you?? I have to
wonder if why not, you know my guarentee, but you suddenly went silent
when you discovered I could tell rather the part was your old broken one
or my part which you claimed was defective.
The offer still stands Elmar, send the part back (my part) and I
will cheerfully refund your money. I really don't know how I can be
more fair.
A saint, no never claimed to be, but I do price myself on being fair
and honest. But it seems your mileage does vary, and I'm truly sorry
for that.
Always Yakin,
Doug
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Elmar Hegenauer <elmar.h@shaw.ca>
wrote:
I am obviously the only one on this
list who is not happy with Doug Sapp.
I have my issues with Doug regarding
sending me the wrong parts, inferior parts
what break in a couple of hours on me,
no refund when sent some parts back
and sending me insulting emails claiming
everything is my fault (BTW, I kept all the
correspondence and invoices) and I am
very glad that I haven't bought anything
real expensive from Doug.
Since last year I am buying from Chinese
parts dealers and I am very happy with what
I see. Their parts are all brand-new, shipping
time is within 2 weeks and on top of it I pay less.
I can only speak for myself but I give those
guys from China a chance, how do we know
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| Subject: | Removing Paint Residue |
During the course of restoring my CJ, I stripped and removed the
original Chinese paint. Gear wells and other appropriate areas were
repainted before final assembly. Now I'm planning to have the aircraft
repainted in the spring of 2009. Does anyone have a really fast and good
method to remove the last bit of paint that is remaining around the
circumference of some of the rivet heads? I plan to do as much of the
prep work as possible before dropping it off to a paint shop.
Thanks
Dennis Von Ruden
General Equipment Company
507.451.5510 (P)
507.451.5511 (F)
dvonruden@generalequip.com
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| Subject: | Maintaince stuff |
Hi all,
I'm not an A&P (or AME), however I've built 2 planes, and do lots of maintance
on my cars etc.
Question,, I want to "clean up" the mags, ie. carbon tracking
Also, I would like to learn how to "adjust" the exhaust valves
Is there somewhere I could read up on this?
Thanks
--------
Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
Ottawa, Ontario
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Sorry Guys that I've caused you so much
grieve with my posting, my apologies.
All I want is to keep my CJ-6 in a flyable and
most possible safe condition, so I guess I have
the right to be not happy with certain parts and
want to give some other vendors besides Doug
a chance as well.
But what really disappoints me is that some
of you are willing (and did already) to hold justice
over a man without knowing any of the facts,
shame on you.
Yes, English is my third language and I am a
foreigner so some of you are absolutely right,
there is no place on this list for a guy like me.
Case closed.
Elmar
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You are welcome to this list. Just contact Doug and work it out. We all need
to be satisfied.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elmar Hegenauer
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:11 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Doug Sapp again
Sorry Guys that I've caused you so much
grieve with my posting, my apologies.
All I want is to keep my CJ-6 in a flyable and
most possible safe condition, so I guess I have
the right to be not happy with certain parts and
want to give some other vendors besides Doug
a chance as well.
But what really disappoints me is that some
of you are willing (and did already) to hold justice
over a man without knowing any of the facts,
shame on you.
Yes, English is my third language and I am a
foreigner so some of you are absolutely right,
there is no place on this list for a guy like me.
Case closed.
Elmar
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| Subject: | Re: Removing Paint Residue |
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| Subject: | replacing handles etc |
Hi,,
looking through my parts manual for the following:
I want to replace all the "handle knobs" ie. fuel shut off knob, gear knob, mixture
knob, carb air knob, Prop knob, throttle knobs etc.
Mine are really tired and faded, I can't find part numbers for these, they appear
at the back with the consoles.. but no parts are listed (other than the complete
assemble lever and all)
Has anyone changed these, (I think of seen some nice new ones in pictures of others
ships) and if so, do you have part numbers?
thanks
Skid
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Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
Ottawa, Ontario
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| Subject: | Re: Maintaince stuff |
Sooo, Inquiring Minds want to know about Maintenance eh? Good! Go to the RPA website,
find the Online store, go to Manuals and locate the different packages
of tech articles that I have written just for inquiring minds. It will cost you
a few bucks of which I receive no payment other than a neat hat, shirts and
stuff that Blitz bribes me with from time to time. Never mind that I need to update
some of the articles but I'll get around to-it when I feel the urge.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Doug Sapp again |
Elmar,
Don't be so quick to quit the 'list. The world changes, and so does the CJ world.
I have made some good buys from unknowns over the 13 years I have operated
these aircraft , AND I have been shafted by a few dealers as well. Doug Sapp is
a constant. Always good to his word and fair with his prices.
You have to had been around a while to appreciate the "bad old days" when CJ and
Yak dealers were as plentiful as Old-time Carnival Barkers (dictionary needed
here?). Doug has brought stability to the business of keeping us flying.
As far as comments on the 'list go, don't pay too much attention. "Players" on
the 'list come and go, sometimes disappearing and then re-emerging years later.
I haven't seen much new lately but you never know so I stay tuned via the Digest
version.
My interest is in any new maintenance problems and the latest and greatest mods.
I know what the Yak-50/52 can and can't do, and I also know what the stock CJ
can and can't do. I don't need to read those discussions based on opinions.
What ONLY I know is what MY aircraft can do. This is why I'd like to see an all-comers
"shoot-out" at one of our events.
Me want to kick some Big Butt!
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Maintaince stuff |
done,,, oh btw.. I'll be ordering your oil filter soon. Loved the mirrors and
wind thingies (english is my second language, oops maybe I shouldn't post)
8)
Skid
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Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
Ottawa, Ontario
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| Subject: | Re: Maintaince stuff |
You also can use the resource that you are already using... as in, the YAK
list.- If you search the achives you will find many good posts on adjusti
ng valves, setting up mags, and all manner of other things.- Not to take
away from Craig OR the RPA... but you would be amazed at what you will find
right here, and it's free. =0A=0AMark Bitterlich=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A_____
___________________________=0AFrom: Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com>=0ATo:
yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:33:00
PM=0ASubject: Yak-List: Re: Maintaince stuff=0A=0A=0ASooo, Inquiring Minds
want to know about Maintenance eh? Good! Go to the RPA website, find the O
nline store, go to Manuals and locate the different packages of tech articl
es that I have written just for inquiring minds. It will cost you a few buc
ks-of which I receive-no payment other than a neat hat, shirts and stuf
f that Blitz bribes me with from time to time.-Never mind that I need to
update some of the articles-but I'll get around to-it when I feel the urg
=================0A
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| Subject: | Re: Doug Sapp again |
Well Bill, speak for yourself please.- =0A=0AHere is a summation:- =0A
=0AElmar makes accusations against Doug of poor business practices.- I.E.
-Selling poor quality parts,-not replacing defective merchandise and ju
st being unethical at heart.-- =0A=0ADoug does not get angry, but polit
ely denies these accusations and offers to be reaonsable with any complaint
Elmar has, and points out some other interesting facts.- =0A=0AA number
of people who have had dozens of productive transactions with Doug state th
eir support for the man.- Not ONE OTHER PERSON states any complaint about
Doug or his business ethics.- - =0A=0AElmar then says "shame on us" fo
r showing support for Doug and not him, "without knowing all the facts" doe
s not address anything Doug has said or offered, does not offer any more fa
cts and basically slams anyone who supports Doug regardless of their factua
l and personal experiences.--=0A=0AThere may indeed be a place for anyo
ne and everyone on this list, but there really is no room for that kind of
behavior.- - =0A=0AEvery person who hangs out here has seen these kinds
of personal accusations made in public before and they are NEVER productiv
e.- N E V E R---=0A=0AElmar came here hoping that he could get enou
gh people to listen to him and gang up on Doug, or cost him business.- He
was unsuccessful.- Now he feels slighted and says "shame on all of you"
and says there is no place here for him.--Whatever.- -=0A=0ASo OK.
-Maybe- Doug does not mind stuff like this.- You may not mind it. -
I do.----Take this whole subject off the list PLEASE and do not br
ing it back or *I* will be the person calling Matt and complaining.- =0A
=0AThere is no place on the YAK LIST for unproven personal accusations agai
nst any of us, let alone a professional who's income relies on his reputati
on.- =0A=0ASorry for being so politically incorrect.- =0A=0AMark Bitter
lich=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Bill Geipel
<czech6@mesanetworks.net>=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, Nove
mber 14, 2008 6:36:13 PM=0ASubject: RE: Yak-List: Doug Sapp again=0A=0A-->
Yak-List message posted by: "Bill Geipel" <czech6@mesanetworks.net>=0A=0AYo
u are welcome to this list. Just contact Doug and work it out. We all need
=0Ato be satisfied.=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-yak-list-
server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Beha
lf Of Elmar Hegenauer=0ASent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:11 PM=0ATo: Yak-L
ist@matronics.com=0ASubject: Yak-List: Doug Sapp again=0A=0A--> Yak-List me
ssage posted by: Elmar Hegenauer <elmar.h@shaw.ca>=0A=0ASorry Guys that I'v
e caused you so much=0Agrieve with my posting, my apologies.=0A=0AAll I wan
t is to keep my CJ-6 in a flyable and=0Amost possible safe condition, so I
guess I have=0Athe right to be not happy with certain parts and=0Awant to g
ive some other vendors besides Doug=0Aa chance as well.=0A=0ABut what reall
y disappoints me is that some=0Aof you are willing (and did already) to hol
d justice=0Aover a man without knowing any of the facts,=0Ashame on you.=0A
=0AYes, English is my third language and I am a=0Aforeigner so some of you
are absolutely right,=0Athere is no place on this list for a guy like me.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admi
================
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| Subject: | Maintenance stuff |
Skidmk,
Do you have any T-6 guys around? They can show you how to do the valve
adjustments. There are some gocha's with adjusting the valves. Getting a new
set of valve cover gaskets will save you from an oil bath. A good rubber
mallet helps to when reseating the valve covers.
Some of those tricks are not found in the YAK or CJ TO manual. Having
someone around with round motor experience will help allot. Even if it is
Wright Pat and not a Housia or M-14.
You could always hire Dennis to come up and do a maintenance class. You'll
learn a lot about your aircraft.
Honestly, I can show you how to do the valve adjustments much as Dennis
showed me how to do better than I can describe the process on the web.
Seeing it is worth a thousand words.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skidmk
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:04 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Maintaince stuff
Hi all,
I'm not an A&P (or AME), however I've built 2 planes, and do lots of
maintance on my cars etc.
Question,, I want to "clean up" the mags, ie. carbon tracking
Also, I would like to learn how to "adjust" the exhaust valves
Is there somewhere I could read up on this?
Thanks
--------
Mike "Skidmk" Bourget
Ottawa, Ontario
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214270#214270
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