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1. 12:15 AM - Away Message (Tyson V. Rininger)
2. 07:13 AM - Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (Roger Kemp MD)
3. 07:33 AM - Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (Nigel Willson)
4. 08:37 AM - FW: Formation flying on Yak list (Roger Kemp MD)
5. 08:45 AM - Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (Terry Lewis)
6. 08:56 AM - Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (cjpilot710@aol.com)
7. 08:57 AM - Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (Terry Lewis)
8. 09:00 AM - Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (Kregg Victory)
9. 09:15 AM - Re: FW: Formation flying on Yak list (Gpw678@aol.com)
10. 09:36 AM - Re: FW: Formation flying on Yak list (cjpilot710@aol.com)
11. 10:13 AM - Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what (vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
12. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what (Roger Kemp MD)
13. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what (David McGirt)
14. 03:48 PM - OFF LIST COMMENT (jblake207@COMCAST.NET)
15. 03:48 PM - OFF LIST COMMENT (jblake207@COMCAST.NET)
16. 08:58 PM - Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (Roger Kemp MD)
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Thanks for the note!
I'll be out of the country, returning on the 22nd. Email access will most likely
be sporadic, however I will do my best to get back to you as soon as possible.
Many thanks,
Tyson
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| Subject: | Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG |
Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe?
Doc
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| Subject: | Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG |
If it's a form takeoff it's safe (lead sticks to ground longest to ensure
safe flying speed for whole formation), if it's a form landing, it's not...
normally on form landings, wing men make sure they touch down fractionally
BEFORE the lead....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: 19 November 2008 15:12
Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG
Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe?
Doc
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| Subject: | FW: Formation flying on Yak list |
Resent since the queertrons did not make the electron jump the first time.
From: Roger Kemp MD [mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: Formation flying on Yak list
Blew it off.
But can someone that was at OSH explain what I'm seeing in the following
photo? Is this a formation landing or is a formation TO? Whatever it was, it
looks dangerous.
Doc
From: Dale Matuska [mailto:dale@frii.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: Fw: Formation flying on Yak list
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG |
Looks like a TO. No flaps.
# 2 is a little high.
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:12 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG
> Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe?
> Doc
>
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG |
It was a TO and we were using Rwy 09 at OSH that day.
Pappy
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG |
I forgot to mention that the TO is obviously safe. They are Red Star pilots
and formation qualified.
Terry
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From: "Terry Lewis" <talew@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG
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> Looks like a TO. No flaps. # 2 is a little high.
> Terry
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:12 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG
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>> Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe?
>> Doc
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| Subject: | Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG |
It can be safe in a Yak, not for sure about in a CJ.....LOL
Kregg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:12 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG
Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe?
Doc
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Formation flying on Yak list |
Hi all,
a Question for our USA red star guys.
Does anybody know of any 52's for rent in the USA.
I would like to attend one of the State side formation courses to see how it
differs from the UK/Europe courses.
I do have formation ratings, including formation aero's, and a team display
rating on yaks and various military jets in case anyone was worried about who
would be flying the aircraft.
Thanks,
gerald
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Formation flying on Yak list |
In a message dated 11/19/2008 12:16:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Gpw678@aol.com writes:
Gerald,
You would be welcomed to our formation clinic in January (22-25) at AYS
(Waycross, GA.). The SE Region RPA guys (and sometime others) have a clinic
there each year. I'm willing to bet that some or one of them would be happy to
share expenses and time in one of their airplanes.
The weather is mostly good, locals really friendly, and great fun. And fuel
prices are coming down.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Hi all,
a Question for our USA red star guys.
Does anybody know of any 52's for rent in the USA.
I would like to attend one of the State side formation courses to see how it
differs from the UK/Europe courses.
I do have formation ratings, including formation aero's, and a team display
rating on yaks and various military jets in case anyone was worried about who
would be flying the aircraft.
Thanks,
gerald
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| Subject: | Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what |
Roger,
Is that photoshop??? Why no shadow whatsoever on the ground from the other aircraft??
And it doesn't look like the wing pilot is even looking at lead.? No matter,
that close is not safe, one sneeze from lead and bang.
Bunndini
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Kemp MD <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 8:12 am
Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG
Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe?
Doc
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| Subject: | Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what |
Bunndini,
No it was not photo shop, it was taken from the RPA email sent out
yesterday. I simply copied the photo from the website that George Myers
posted it on.
Honestly, I could not tell from the photos if it was Taking off or was it
landing. Did not pass the smell test when I saw it.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:13 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what
Roger,
Is that photoshop?? Why no shadow whatsoever on the ground from the other
aircraft? And it doesn't look like the wing pilot is even looking at lead.
No matter, that close is not safe, one sneeze from lead and bang.
Bunndini
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Kemp MD <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 8:12 am
Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG
Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe?
Doc
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| Subject: | Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what |
OSH RW9 Takeoff =AD 150 ft wide runway , and two ship take offs. Interesting
parallax view from the photographers view point, but obviously, the planes
are not close.
I would say at the moment in time these pics were , both #2 lifted off
early, not un-safe.
On 11/19/08 2:06 PM, "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Bunndini,
> No it was not photo shop, it was taken from the RPA email sent out yester
day.
> I simply copied the photo from the website that George Myers posted it on
.
> Honestly, I could not tell from the photos if it was Taking off or was i
t
> landing. Did not pass the smell test when I saw it.
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> vectorwarbirds@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:13 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what
>
>
> Roger,
>
> Is that photoshop?? Why no shadow whatsoever on the ground from the othe
r
> aircraft? And it doesn't look like the wing pilot is even looking at lea
d.
> No matter, that close is not safe, one sneeze from lead and bang.
>
> Bunndini
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Kemp MD <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 8:12 am
> Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG
> Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe?
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| Subject: | OFF LIST COMMENT |
Happy B-Day Dennis Savarese! What was the weather like the day the Wright Brothers
flew?
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Happy B-Day Dennis Savarese! What was the weather like the day the Wright Brothers
flew?
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| Subject: | Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG |
No, I disagree, it is not safe but not necessarily dangerous. 2 just took
off before One. 2 is now flight lead. 150, 100, or 80 foot wide runway or
not, 2 is airborne first and is now flight lead.
Now the reason it is not safe is the tendency of 2 (who is now airborne) to
look down at lead and attempt to slow to match lead's airspeed. 2
unconsciously can roll to the right or left as he/she is looking down on
lead depending on which side lead is on during the take off. Two is doing
this in an attempt to maintain position with lead.
If 2 becomes airborne ahead of lead, he/she is now the new flight lead or 2
will find himself hanging closer to a stall than he/she really wants to be
as well as turning into lead as he/she attempts to stay in formation.
Passed these pictures around the squadron today, all pretty much said the
same thing. It is 2's responsibility to maintain station on lead and go
flying when lead goes flying. If lead aborts, 2 aborts. The flight usually
will abort as an element unless lead aborts at rotation and is taking the
barrier. If that happens, 2 goes flying and lead ends up in the barrier. Two
flies his jet and forgets about lead until he has established a positive
rate of climb and stabilized flight.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Willson
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG
If it's a form takeoff it's safe (lead sticks to ground longest to ensure
safe flying speed for whole formation), if it's a form landing, it's not...
normally on form landings, wing men make sure they touch down fractionally
BEFORE the lead....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: 19 November 2008 15:12
Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG
Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe?
Doc
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