---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/19/08: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - Away Message (Tyson V. Rininger) 2. 07:13 AM - Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (Roger Kemp MD) 3. 07:33 AM - Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (Nigel Willson) 4. 08:37 AM - FW: Formation flying on Yak list (Roger Kemp MD) 5. 08:45 AM - Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (Terry Lewis) 6. 08:56 AM - Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (cjpilot710@aol.com) 7. 08:57 AM - Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (Terry Lewis) 8. 09:00 AM - Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (Kregg Victory) 9. 09:15 AM - Re: FW: Formation flying on Yak list (Gpw678@aol.com) 10. 09:36 AM - Re: FW: Formation flying on Yak list (cjpilot710@aol.com) 11. 10:13 AM - Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what (vectorwarbirds@aol.com) 12. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what (Roger Kemp MD) 13. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what (David McGirt) 14. 03:48 PM - OFF LIST COMMENT (jblake207@COMCAST.NET) 15. 03:48 PM - OFF LIST COMMENT (jblake207@COMCAST.NET) 16. 08:58 PM - Re: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG (Roger Kemp MD) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:55 AM PST US From: "Tyson V. Rininger" Subject: Yak-List: Away Message Thanks for the note! I'll be out of the country, returning on the 22nd. Email access will most likely be sporadic, however I will do my best to get back to you as soon as possible. Many thanks, Tyson ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:14 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp MD" Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe? Doc ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:45 AM PST US From: "Nigel Willson" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG If it's a form takeoff it's safe (lead sticks to ground longest to ensure safe flying speed for whole formation), if it's a form landing, it's not... normally on form landings, wing men make sure they touch down fractionally BEFORE the lead.... -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD Sent: 19 November 2008 15:12 Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe? Doc ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:49 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp MD" Subject: Yak-List: FW: Formation flying on Yak list Resent since the queertrons did not make the electron jump the first time. From: Roger Kemp MD [mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: RE: Formation flying on Yak list Blew it off. But can someone that was at OSH explain what I'm seeing in the following photo? Is this a formation landing or is a formation TO? Whatever it was, it looks dangerous. Doc From: Dale Matuska [mailto:dale@frii.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Fw: Formation flying on Yak list ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:49 AM PST US From: "Terry Lewis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG Looks like a TO. No flaps. # 2 is a little high. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kemp MD" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG > Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe? > Doc > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:26 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG It was a TO and we were using Rwy 09 at OSH that day. Pappy **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:20 AM PST US From: "Terry Lewis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG I forgot to mention that the TO is obviously safe. They are Red Star pilots and formation qualified. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Lewis" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG > > Looks like a TO. No flaps. # 2 is a little high. > Terry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Kemp MD" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:12 AM > Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG > > >> Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe? >> Doc >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:46 AM PST US From: "Kregg Victory" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG It can be safe in a Yak, not for sure about in a CJ.....LOL Kregg -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:12 AM Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe? Doc ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:46 AM PST US From: Gpw678@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: FW: Formation flying on Yak list Hi all, a Question for our USA red star guys. Does anybody know of any 52's for rent in the USA. I would like to attend one of the State side formation courses to see how it differs from the UK/Europe courses. I do have formation ratings, including formation aero's, and a team display rating on yaks and various military jets in case anyone was worried about who would be flying the aircraft. Thanks, gerald ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:42 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: FW: Formation flying on Yak list In a message dated 11/19/2008 12:16:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Gpw678@aol.com writes: Gerald, You would be welcomed to our formation clinic in January (22-25) at AYS (Waycross, GA.). The SE Region RPA guys (and sometime others) have a clinic there each year. I'm willing to bet that some or one of them would be happy to share expenses and time in one of their airplanes. The weather is mostly good, locals really friendly, and great fun. And fuel prices are coming down. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Hi all, a Question for our USA red star guys. Does anybody know of any 52's for rent in the USA. I would like to attend one of the State side formation courses to see how it differs from the UK/Europe courses. I do have formation ratings, including formation aero's, and a team display rating on yaks and various military jets in case anyone was worried about who would be flying the aircraft. Thanks, gerald **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:42 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what From: vectorwarbirds@aol.com Roger, Is that photoshop??? Why no shadow whatsoever on the ground from the other aircraft?? And it doesn't look like the wing pilot is even looking at lead.? No matter, that close is not safe, one sneeze from lead and bang. Bunndini -----Original Message----- From: Roger Kemp MD Sent: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 8:12 am Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe? Doc [Image Removed] ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:03 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp MD" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what Bunndini, No it was not photo shop, it was taken from the RPA email sent out yesterday. I simply copied the photo from the website that George Myers posted it on. Honestly, I could not tell from the photos if it was Taking off or was it landing. Did not pass the smell test when I saw it. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vectorwarbirds@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what Roger, Is that photoshop?? Why no shadow whatsoever on the ground from the other aircraft? And it doesn't look like the wing pilot is even looking at lead. No matter, that close is not safe, one sneeze from lead and bang. Bunndini -----Original Message----- From: Roger Kemp MD Sent: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 8:12 am Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe? Doc [Image Removed] ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what From: David McGirt OSH RW9 Takeoff =AD 150 ft wide runway , and two ship take offs. Interesting parallax view from the photographers view point, but obviously, the planes are not close. I would say at the moment in time these pics were , both #2 lifted off early, not un-safe. On 11/19/08 2:06 PM, "Roger Kemp" wrote: > Bunndini, > No it was not photo shop, it was taken from the RPA email sent out yester day. > I simply copied the photo from the website that George Myers posted it on .. > Honestly, I could not tell from the photos if it was Taking off or was i t > landing. Did not pass the smell test when I saw it. > Doc > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > vectorwarbirds@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:13 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Real or photoshop, too close no matter what > > > Roger, > > Is that photoshop?? Why no shadow whatsoever on the ground from the othe r > aircraft? And it doesn't look like the wing pilot is even looking at lea d. > No matter, that close is not safe, one sneeze from lead and bang. > > Bunndini > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Kemp MD > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 8:12 am > Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG > Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe? > > > > Doc > > > > > > [Image Removed] > > 3&folder=Inbox&partId=2> > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > 3&folder=Inbox&partId=2> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > 3&folder=Inbox&partId=2> > http://forums.matronics.com > 3&folder=Inbox&partId=2> > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:56 PM PST US From: jblake207@COMCAST.NET Subject: Yak-List: OFF LIST COMMENT Happy B-Day Dennis Savarese! What was the weather like the day the Wright Brothers flew?

Happy B-Day Dennis Savarese!  What was the weather like the day the Wright Brothers flew?
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:56 PM PST US From: jblake207@COMCAST.NET Subject: Yak-List: OFF LIST COMMENT Happy B-Day Dennis Savarese! What was the weather like the day the Wright Brothers flew?

Happy B-Day Dennis Savarese!  What was the weather like the day the Wright Brothers flew?
________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:51 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp MD" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG No, I disagree, it is not safe but not necessarily dangerous. 2 just took off before One. 2 is now flight lead. 150, 100, or 80 foot wide runway or not, 2 is airborne first and is now flight lead. Now the reason it is not safe is the tendency of 2 (who is now airborne) to look down at lead and attempt to slow to match lead's airspeed. 2 unconsciously can roll to the right or left as he/she is looking down on lead depending on which side lead is on during the take off. Two is doing this in an attempt to maintain position with lead. If 2 becomes airborne ahead of lead, he/she is now the new flight lead or 2 will find himself hanging closer to a stall than he/she really wants to be as well as turning into lead as he/she attempts to stay in formation. Passed these pictures around the squadron today, all pretty much said the same thing. It is 2's responsibility to maintain station on lead and go flying when lead goes flying. If lead aborts, 2 aborts. The flight usually will abort as an element unless lead aborts at rotation and is taking the barrier. If that happens, 2 goes flying and lead ends up in the barrier. Two flies his jet and forgets about lead until he has established a positive rate of climb and stabilized flight. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Willson Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG If it's a form takeoff it's safe (lead sticks to ground longest to ensure safe flying speed for whole formation), if it's a form landing, it's not... normally on form landings, wing men make sure they touch down fractionally BEFORE the lead.... -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD Sent: 19 November 2008 15:12 Subject: Yak-List: Emailing: DSC_1427-A[1].JPG Here is another one. Is a form landing or is a TO? Is it safe? Doc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.