---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/26/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:09 AM - Just A Few More Days... (Matt Dralle) 1. 08:47 AM - Re: YAK Cross country underway (Bill1200) 2. 08:51 AM - No gear up indicator (Bill1200) 3. 09:12 AM - Re: No gear up indicator (A. Dennis Savarese) 4. 12:11 PM - CJ Wing Sought (Rico Jaeger) 5. 01:33 PM - Re: CJ Wing Sought (doug sapp) 6. 01:53 PM - Re: CJ Wing Sought (Rico Jaeger) 7. 01:53 PM - Re: No gear up indicator (hkgibby@yahoo.com) 8. 03:05 PM - Re: CJ Wing Sought (doug sapp) 9. 08:20 PM - Re: No gear up indicator (LawnDart) 10. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: No gear up indicator (A. Dennis Savarese) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:25 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Yak-List: Just A Few More Days... Dear Listers, There are just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. There are some great gifts available when you make a qualifying Contribution and there's plenty still available. Don't forget that its *your* Contribution that keeps the computers running, the electricity turned on, and the computer room AC cooling! If you look forward to reading your List email each day, won't you please take a minute right now to make your personal Contribution? Credit Card or Paypal: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Personal Check: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:53 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: YAK Cross country underway From: "Bill1200" Made it home in one piece. Not the best plane for night flying, IFR training really kicked in a couple of times. Now its time for some fun. :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216391#216391 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:19 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: No gear up indicator From: "Bill1200" On my trip I had a gear up bulb not come on (nose wheel) Tried changing bulbs..no change. Flew by a tower and confirmed it wasn't hanging down. So, now I need to know where the relay switch is for the up indication and how to test it on the ground, thanks. Just one of a bizillion questions that arouse on this cross country. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216394#216394 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:53 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: No gear up indicator The microswitches for the gear lights are on the drag link (DOWN light) and the uplock (parrot hook) assembly (UP light). The problem may not be the UP microswitch on the uplock assembly. It could be the lever mechanism itself binding internally within the uplock assembly. There is an arm that engages and disengages the microswitch. When the nose gear (or the mains for that matter) is up and locked into the parrot hook, the arm on the assembly that engages and disengages the microswitch will be disengaged from the microswitch. Sometimes the assembly mechanism has not been properly serviced over the years and the arm mechanism hangs up and will not disengage the microswitch. If the airplane has ever been landed gear up, the uplock assembly mechanism can be bent slightly causing the parrot hook mechanical lock mechanism not to lock and thus not allow the arm to disengage from the microswitch. Push up on the parrot hook and lock it in place. To release the parrot hook, note the spring in front of the hook and push up on the lever on the end of the spring opposite the parrot hook. If it doesn't lock in place when you push up on the parrot hook, the mechanism is not working correctly. If it does lock in place, watch the arm that engages the microswitch and see if it disengages the microswitch. These microswitches have a very distinctive "click" when then engage and disengage. If the arm moves away from the microswitch, then push the button on the microswitch to hear the "click" in both directions. While doing this, have someone in the cockpit turn the BATTERY switch on and the GEAR light toggle switch on the left side console. See if the nose gear light goes on and off when depressing and releasing the microswitch manually. If it doesn't go on and off, it is possible the microswitch could be bad. But I would use an ohm meter and check the continuity before replacing the switch. Especially if you here the distinctive "click". It could also be a bad bulb socket/wiring on the instrument panel. Many times these socket rotate when the lense is removed. If rotated too many times or too far in one direction, the brittle Russian wires can break off at the back of the socket. Bingo....no light at all. Hopefully this will help you diagnose the problem. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill1200 To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: Yak-List: No gear up indicator On my trip I had a gear up bulb not come on (nose wheel) Tried changing bulbs..no change. Flew by a tower and confirmed it wasn't hanging down. So, now I need to know where the relay switch is for the up indication and how to test it on the ground, thanks. Just one of a bizillion questions that arouse on this cross country. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216394#216394 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:18 PM PST US From: "Rico Jaeger" Subject: Yak-List: CJ Wing Sought Hi, Guys! What's the availability of CJ wings? I'm looking at a project that needs one. Is it a center section w/ outer panels? Thanks so much, and HAPPY HOLIDAYS! Rico Jaeger Wausau, WI. >>> "Barry Hancock" 11/25/2008 9:11 AM >>> .com> Gang, We are gaining a fair amount of experience with these items as all our projects have glass something or other in them. First with regards to the magnatometer. in the CJ we mount it where the remote gyro compass mounted. In most CJs you actually have a choice, either in the tail or in the wing. Both will work well depending on the manufacturers instructions. Remember you have to shim the unit to get it exactly level, but with the structure already built into the airplane that has been plumbed, a lot of the work is already done for you. OAT probes. Actually a slick place to mount it is in the rear of the nose gear well. It works very well there, doesn't get dirty, is out of the exhaust path, and is out of sight. As an aside, I'm thinking of redoing the front panel in my airplane and making it one piece. The stock configuration is a challenge to put the EFIS stuff in and lay it out nicely. With the new Garmin 696 out you can now have a high quality full glass panel for right about $10K. Amazing.... Regards, Barry -- Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:52 PM PST US From: "doug sapp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Wing Sought Rico, While I am sure it is possible to change out the center section I would not think it would be possible without a complete fuselage jig to aid in proper reasembly. If your project has the center section stub wing pushed aft, I'd say it was not econonically repairable. You could most likley replace the entire fuselage for 15 to 17K, then move all your stuff over into the replacement fuselage. Good used wing panels are around 7K now, some cheaper are around. Be carefull about corrosion, hidden damage and old modifications done in China. Some have been found to have holes hacked in the main spars. Inspect them by removing both the tip and the tank to get a good look at the structure. Hope this helps. Always Yakin, Doug On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Rico Jaeger wrote: > Hi, Guys! > > What's the availability of CJ wings? I'm looking at a project that needs > one. Is it a center section w/ outer panels? > > Thanks so much, and HAPPY HOLIDAYS! > > Rico Jaeger > Wausau, WI. > > > >>> "Barry Hancock" 11/25/2008 9:11 AM > >>> > bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com> > > Gang, > > We are gaining a fair amount of experience with these items as all our > projects have glass something or other in them. > > First with regards to the magnatometer. in the CJ we mount it where the > remote gyro compass mounted. In most CJs you actually have a choice, > either in the tail or in the wing. Both will work well depending on the > manufacturers instructions. Remember you have to shim the unit to get it > exactly level, but with the structure already built into the airplane that > has been plumbed, a lot of the work is already done for you. > > OAT probes. Actually a slick place to mount it is in the rear of the nose > gear well. It works very well there, doesn't get dirty, is out of the > exhaust path, and is out of sight. > > As an aside, I'm thinking of redoing the front panel in my airplane and > making it one piece. The stock configuration is a challenge to put the > EFIS stuff in and lay it out nicely. With the new Garmin 696 out you can > now have a high quality full glass panel for right about $10K. > Amazing.... > > Regards, > > Barry > > > -- > Barry Hancock > Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. > office (909) 606-4444 > cell (949) -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click ; --> http://wwwnbsp; > -Matt - The Yak-List > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak">http://www.matronics.com/Na &nb============ > > > > > * > > -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:35 PM PST US From: "Rico Jaeger" Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Wing Sought Doug, Thanks for the advice. The project I'm looking at actually taxi'ed into some trees. The fuse looks good, but the wing is pretty much toast as far as I am able to tell from the pix. Are you saying that damage to the center section most likely distorted the fuse to the point of being undesirable? Or are you saying the center section would be better off replaced? Thanks so much!! Rico >>> "doug sapp" 11/26/2008 3:33 PM >>> Rico, While I am sure it is possible to change out the center section I would not think it would be possible without a complete fuselage jig to aid in proper reasembly. If your project has the center section stub wing pushed aft, I'd say it was not econonically repairable. You could most likley replace the entire fuselage for 15 to 17K, then move all your stuff over into the replacement fuselage. Good used wing panels are around 7K now, some cheaper are around. Be carefull about corrosion, hidden damage and old modifications done in China. Some have been found to have holes hacked in the main spars. Inspect them by removing both the tip and the tank to get a good look at the structure. Hope this helps. Always Yakin, Doug On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Rico Jaeger wrote: Hi, Guys! What's the availability of CJ wings? I'm looking at a project that needs one. Is it a center section w/ outer panels? Thanks so much, and HAPPY HOLIDAYS! Rico Jaeger Wausau, WI. >>> "Barry Hancock" 11/25/2008 9:11 AM >>> .com> Gang, We are gaining a fair amount of experience with these items as all our projects have glass something or other in them. First with regards to the magnatometer. in the CJ we mount it where the remote gyro compass mounted. In most CJs you actually have a choice, either in the tail or in the wing. Both will work well depending on the manufacturers instructions. Remember you have to shim the unit to get it exactly level, but with the structure already built into the airplane that has been plumbed, a lot of the work is already done for you. OAT probes. Actually a slick place to mount it is in the rear of the nose gear well. It works very well there, doesn't get dirty, is out of the exhaust path, and is out of sight. As an aside, I'm thinking of redoing the front panel in my airplane and making it one piece. The stock configuration is a challenge to put the EFIS stuff in and lay it out nicely. With the new Garmin 696 out you can now have a high quality full glass panel for right about $10K. Amazing.... Regards, Barry -- Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click ; --> http://wwwnbsp; -Matt - The Yak-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak">http://www.matronics.com/Na &nb============ ( http://www.matronics.com/contribution ) -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ======================= ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: No gear up indicator From: hkgibby@yahoo.com QmlsbCwNCg0KSSBoYXZlIGEgbm8gIm5vc2UgdXAiIGluZGljYXRpb24gYXMgd2VsbC4gIExpa2Ug RGVubmlzIHN1Z2dlc3RlZCBydWxlIG91dCB0aGUgZWxlY3RyaWNhbCBwYXJ0IG9mIGl0IGJ5IHB1 c2hpbmcgb24gdGhlIG1pY3Jvc3dpdGNoIGJ1dHRvbiAoaXQgd2lsbCBjbGljaykgd2hpbGUgc29t ZW9uZSBpcyBsb29raW5nIGF0IHlvdXIgY29ja3BpdCBnZWFyIGxpZ2h0cy4gIFRoZSBub3NlIHJl ZCh1cCkgbGlnaHQgd2lsbCBtb3N0IGxpa2VseSBjb21lIG9uIHdoaWNoIG1lYW5zIHRoYXQgdGhl IGFkanVzdGFibGUgdGh1bWJzY3Jldy9oYW1tZXIgaXMgbm90IHRyYXZlbGxpbmcgZmFyIGVub3Vn aCB3aXRoIHRoZSB1cGxvY2sgdG8gcHVzaCB0aGUgbWljcm9zd2l0Y2ggaW4uICBJIHRyaWVkIGFk anVzdGluZyB0aGF0IGFuZCBydWxlZCBvdXQgdGhlIHVwbG9jayBhbmQgSSBmb3VuZCB3aXRoIG1p bmUgdGhhdCB0aGUgZW50aXJlIGNyb3NzYnJhY2UgdGhhdCB0aGUgbWljcm9zd2l0Y2ggaXMgYXR0 YWNoZWQgdG8gaXMgYmVudCB1cHdhcmRzIGp1c3QgZW5vdWdoIHRvIGJlICJvdXQgb2YgcmVhY2gi IHNvIHRvIHNwZWFrIG9mIHRoZSB0aHVtYnNjcmV3LiAgTm90IHN1cmUgaWYgdGhlIGEvYyBoYWQg YSBnZWFyIHVwIG9yIGl0IGlzIGp1c3QgZnJvbSB0aGUgTkxHIHNsYW1taW5nIHVwIG92ZXIgdGhl IHllYXJzIHdpdGhvdXQgYWlyIHJlc3RyaWN0b3JzLiAgSSBhbSBnb2luZyB0byBzaGltIHRoZSBh c3NlbWJseSB3aXRoIGEgd2FzaGVyIG9yIHR3byB0byBjbG9zZSB0aGF0IGdhcCBhbmQgSSBhbSBz dXJlIHRoYXQgd2lsbCBmaXggaXQuICBJIHRoaW5rIHRoYXQgdGhpcyBpcyBub3QgdGhhdCB1bmNv bW1vbiB3aXRoIHRoZSBub3NlIGdlYXIuICBCZXR0ZXIgdG8gaGF2ZSB3aXRoICJ1cCIgaW5kaWNh dGlvbnMgdGhhbiAiZG93biIgYW55ZGF5LiAgR29vZCBsdWNrLg0KDQpIYW5rIEdpYnNvbg0KQ0oN CkphY2tzb252aWxsZSwgRkwgDQpTZW50IGZyb20gbXkgVmVyaXpvbiBXaXJlbGVzcyBCbGFja0Jl cnJ5DQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiAiQS4gRGVubmlzIFNhdmFy ZXNlIiA8ZHNhdmFyZXNlMDgxMkBiZWxsc291dGgubmV0Pg0KDQpEYXRlOiBXZWQsIDI2IE5vdiAy MDA4IDExOjEyOjI4IA0KVG86IDx5YWstbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPg0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6 IFlhay1MaXN0OiBObyBnZWFyIHVwIGluZGljYXRvcg0KDQoNClRoaXMgaXMgYSBtdWx0aS1wYXJ0 IG1lc3NhZ2UgaW4gTUlNRSBmb3JtYXQuDQoNCg= ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:09 PM PST US From: "doug sapp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Wing Sought The stub wing is a total side to side assembly it would be nearly impossible to change out without factory jigs. If its distorted the fuse is pretty much toast. Look for wrinkling or deformation of the top or bottom skins between the wing attach points. Also look carefully at the area of the tail cone just under the horizontal stab. If there is a diagonal wrinkle in this area it means that the tail group is now out of line. This happened when one wings takes a big hit and the fuse snaps sideways. All this and more happened when I had a engine out and ended up picking apples with a CJ6. Always Yakin, Doug On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Rico Jaeger wrote: > Doug, > > Thanks for the advice. The project I'm looking at actually taxi'ed into > some trees. The fuse looks good, but the wing is pretty much toast as far as > I am able to tell from the pix. Are you saying that damage to the center > section most likely distorted the fuse to the point of being undesirable? Or > are you saying the center section would be better off replaced? > > Thanks so much!! > > Rico > > > >>> "doug sapp" 11/26/2008 3:33 PM >>> > Rico, > While I am sure it is possible to change out the center section I would not > think it would be possible without a complete fuselage jig to aid in proper > reasembly. If your project has the center section stub wing pushed aft, I'd > say it was not econonically repairable. You could most likley replace the > entire fuselage for 15 to 17K, then move all your stuff over into the > replacement fuselage. > > Good used wing panels are around 7K now, some cheaper are around. Be > carefull about corrosion, hidden damage and old modifications done in > China. Some have been found to have holes hacked in the main spars. > Inspect them by removing both the tip and the tank to get a good look at the > structure. > > Hope this helps. > > Always Yakin, > Doug > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Rico Jaeger wrote: > >> Hi, Guys! >> >> What's the availability of CJ wings? I'm looking at a project that needs >> one. Is it a center section w/ outer panels? >> >> Thanks so much, and HAPPY HOLIDAYS! >> >> Rico Jaeger >> Wausau, WI. >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Barry Hancock" 11/25/2008 9:11 AM >> >>> >> bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com> >> >> Gang, >> >> We are gaining a fair amount of experience with these items as all our >> projects have glass something or other in them. >> >> First with regards to the magnatometer. in the CJ we mount it where the >> remote gyro compass mounted. In most CJs you actually have a choice, >> either in the tail or in the wing. Both will work well depending on the >> manufacturers instructions. Remember you have to shim the unit to get it >> exactly level, but with the structure already built into the airplane that >> has been plumbed, a lot of the work is already done for you. >> >> OAT probes. Actually a slick place to mount it is in the rear of the nose >> gear well. It works very well there, doesn't get dirty, is out of the >> exhaust path, and is out of sight. >> >> As an aside, I'm thinking of redoing the front panel in my airplane and >> making it one piece. The stock configuration is a challenge to put the >> EFIS stuff in and lay it out nicely. With the new Garmin 696 out you can >> now have a high quality full glass panel for right about $10K. >> Amazing.... >> >> Regards, >> >> Barry >> >> >> -- >> Barry Hancock >> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. >> office (909) 606-4444 >> cell (949) -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click ; --> http://wwwnbsp; >> -Matt - The Yak-List >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak">http://www.matronics.com/Na &nb============ >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> * >> >> > > > -- > Always Yakin, > Doug Sapp > Phone 509-826-4610 > Fax 509-826-3644 > > * > > .matronics.com/contribution > ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > nics.com* > > * > > -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:50 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: No gear up indicator From: "LawnDart" Shouldn't the light come on when the indicator lamp test button (just below mag switch) is pushed?? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216498#216498 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:58 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: No gear up indicator Yes. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: LawnDart To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:20 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: No gear up indicator Shouldn't the light come on when the indicator lamp test button (just below mag switch) is pushed?? 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