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1. 04:33 AM - SR-22 crash (Russ)
2. 09:22 AM - Air Leak (Bill1200)
3. 09:38 AM - Re: Air Leak (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 10:40 AM - Re: Air Leak (Bill1200)
5. 11:06 AM - Re: Re: Air Leak (Peter K. Van Staagen)
6. 11:49 AM - Re: Air Leak (Bill1200)
7. 12:16 PM - Re: YAK 52 jack point (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
8. 01:11 PM - Re: Air Leak (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
9. 02:34 PM - Re: SR-22 crash (Cpayne)
10. 04:23 PM - Yak rudder pedal mod (Barry Hancock)
11. 04:44 PM - Re: Air Leak (A. Dennis Savarese)
12. 04:50 PM - Re: Yak rudder pedal mod (Dr Andre Katz)
13. 04:52 PM - Re: Yak rudder pedal mod (bpx2horn@aol.com)
14. 08:06 PM - Re: Yak rudder pedal mod (barryhancock)
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This is not my month!
I lost three people here in Dunn county, Wisconsin in a SR-22.
There is some conversation that the SR-22 is "hard to fly"
Any input?
Russ
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First experience with air leak. First noticed a couple of weeks ago it was bleeding
down a little overnight. Called the old owner who thought it was most likely
the snot valve lever being out of position, checked it and seemed ok. Then
started noticing it would only charge up to about 3 during flight. Yesterday
I filled it up at the port and sat in the plane with engine off, air valve closed
and could hear a faint leak which sounded like it was coming from behind the
pressure guage on the upper left side of the panel. Someone has recommended
putting a few drops of oil in the system when doing a external fill, any suggestions
on this?
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228318#228318
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Bill,
The snot valve can not cause the main air tank to leak down unless there
is a bad check valve at the right hand side of the "cross" or manifold
where the pressure relief valve is located at the top.
The problem you've described including where you hear the faint air leak
could very well be the pressure relief valve on the firewall. If you
pressurize the system from the external air fill port and the pressure
will not go up to or hold at approx. 50 ATM's, the pressure relief valve
piston seal or spring or both are probably bad.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill1200
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Air Leak
First experience with air leak. First noticed a couple of weeks ago it
was bleeding down a little overnight. Called the old owner who thought
it was most likely the snot valve lever being out of position, checked
it and seemed ok. Then started noticing it would only charge up to about
3 during flight. Yesterday I filled it up at the port and sat in the
plane with engine off, air valve closed and could hear a faint leak
which sounded like it was coming from behind the pressure guage on the
upper left side of the panel. Someone has recommended putting a few
drops of oil in the system when doing a external fill, any suggestions
on this?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228318#228318
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Thanks Dennis, was talking to Cliff Coy this am, he suggested it might also me
the gear selector based on the location of where I think I hear the leak. Will
fill the system tomorrow, put the gear selector in neutral and see if it leak
stops.
When I fill from external port I can raise the pressure until the relief valve
opens, then the system will slowly bleed down over a couple of days
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I agree with Dennis. This is almost always the pressure relief valve.
Sometimes dirt in the seat or just a worn seat. Very easy to replace. Seems
like it has to be replaced about once a year or so.
You can diagnose this by putting about 20 atm in the tank and then soaping
up the relief valve. There is a pair of small holes on the bottom of the
valve that will make bubbles if air is leaking by the seat.
The last air trouble I had was that sometimes the air pressure would be 20
atm while flying and other times about 45 atm while flying. I went through
everything until finally replacing the relief valve seal, which fixed the
problem.
Moral... Check the easy stuff first.
Pete
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill1200
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 12:39 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Air Leak
Thanks Dennis, was talking to Cliff Coy this am, he suggested it might also
me the gear selector based on the location of where I think I hear the leak.
Will fill the system tomorrow, put the gear selector in neutral and see if
it leak stops.
When I fill from external port I can raise the pressure until the relief
valve opens, then the system will slowly bleed down over a couple of days
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Thanks
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| Subject: | YAK 52 jack point |
Get a lug nut off an old Volkswagon. Works perfectly.
Mark Bitterlich
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill1200
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:11 PM
Subject: Yak-List: YAK 52 jack point
Need to know thread/bolt size for the jack points, thanks
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In a YAK-50, if the leak is coming from the Landing Gear handle area,
this is an immediate alert that there is probably an internal leak in a
landing rear actuator cylinder. Venting air from the cylinders is
through the landing gear selector valve. Hence if one has an internal
leak you will hear air venting from the landing gear selector valve.
Again, in a 50, you can isolate this by putting the landing gear handle
in the middle position which isolates the landing gear system totally
from the rest of the aircraft. You can then pull lines on the cylinders
themselves to determine exactly where the leak is.
The 52 is much different than the 50 in this regard, with the dual
landing gear handles, etc.,etc. Dennis, I am sure you can explain the
difference here, because I certainly can not... But I believe that
besides the air relief valve, which Dennis just covered, your leak might
be in the landing gear system if the 52 is close to the 50 in how that
works, which I believe it is.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak
Bill,
The snot valve can not cause the main air tank to leak down unless there
is a bad check valve at the right hand side of the "cross" or manifold
where the pressure relief valve is located at the top.
The problem you've described including where you hear the faint air leak
could very well be the pressure relief valve on the firewall. If you
pressurize the system from the external air fill port and the pressure
will not go up to or hold at approx. 50 ATM's, the pressure relief valve
piston seal or spring or both are probably bad.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill1200 <mailto:billdykes52@gmail.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Air Leak
<billdykes52@gmail.com>
First experience with air leak. First noticed a couple of weeks
ago it was bleeding down a little overnight. Called the old owner who
thought it was most likely the snot valve lever being out of position,
checked it and seemed ok. Then started noticing it would only charge up
to about 3 during flight. Yesterday I filled it up at the port and sat
in the plane with engine off, air valve closed and could hear a faint
leak which sounded like it was coming from behind the pressure guage on
the upper left side of the panel. Someone has recommended putting a few
drops of oil in the system when doing a external fill, any suggestions
on this?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228318#228318
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>> This is not my month!
>> I lost three people here in Dunn county, Wisconsin in a SR-22.
>>
>> There is some conversation that the SR-22 is "hard to fly"
>>
>> Any input?
>>
>>Russ
>>
Russ,
I believe that the SR-22 comes with an "IIIEEEE!" handle you pull whenever a cloud
gets too near or you are busy with your Blackberry see the ground coming up
in the windscreen. Apparently it didn't help up there. I have flown numerous
Light Sports with BRS but always made sure the safety pin was securely in place.
Getting killed in an airplane is no joke but feeling that you always have
an out with the 'IIIEEEE' handle may lead someone to stretch their personal limits.
Only the NSTB gets to officially speculate.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Yak rudder pedal mod |
Gang,
I just got done flight testing our new rudder pedal brackets in the
Yak-50. They're a nice change. The additional 3" of leg room is
noticeable and there are no clearance issues.
We need to find a local Yak-52 to confirm that there are not any
clearance issues in the front cockpit, and then we'll do our first
production run. We currently have about a dozen orders waiting and
would like to complete the development stage ASAP. If any local
Yak-52's are interested, we will give you a free set ($250 value)
plus free installation (another $225 value) for bringing your Yak to
Chino for a day.
Please contact me directly if you are interested and we will put it
on the schedule.
Happy Yakkin',
Barry
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
office (909) 606-4444
cell (949) 300-5510
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You are correct Mark. Air leaking through the gear handle on a 52 with
the handle in down position definitely points to the possibility of
leaking landing gear actuator. Not too difficult to diagnose which one.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Air Leak
Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
In a YAK-50, if the leak is coming from the Landing Gear handle area,
this is an immediate alert that there is probably an internal leak in
a
landing rear actuator cylinder. Venting air from the cylinders is
through the landing gear selector valve. Hence if one has an internal
leak you will hear air venting from the landing gear selector valve.
Again, in a 50, you can isolate this by putting the landing gear
handle
in the middle position which isolates the landing gear system totally
from the rest of the aircraft. You can then pull lines on the
cylinders
themselves to determine exactly where the leak is.
The 52 is much different than the 50 in this regard, with the dual
landing gear handles, etc.,etc. Dennis, I am sure you can explain the
difference here, because I certainly can not... But I believe that
besides the air relief valve, which Dennis just covered, your leak
might
be in the landing gear system if the 52 is close to the 50 in how that
works, which I believe it is.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 12:37 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air Leak
Bill,
The snot valve can not cause the main air tank to leak down unless
there
is a bad check valve at the right hand side of the "cross" or manifold
where the pressure relief valve is located at the top.
The problem you've described including where you hear the faint air
leak
could very well be the pressure relief valve on the firewall. If you
pressurize the system from the external air fill port and the pressure
will not go up to or hold at approx. 50 ATM's, the pressure relief
valve
piston seal or spring or both are probably bad.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill1200 <mailto:billdykes52@gmail.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Air Leak
<billdykes52@gmail.com>
First experience with air leak. First noticed a couple of weeks
ago it was bleeding down a little overnight. Called the old owner who
thought it was most likely the snot valve lever being out of position,
checked it and seemed ok. Then started noticing it would only charge
up
to about 3 during flight. Yesterday I filled it up at the port and sat
in the plane with engine off, air valve closed and could hear a faint
leak which sounded like it was coming from behind the pressure guage
on
the upper left side of the panel. Someone has recommended putting a
few
drops of oil in the system when doing a external fill, any suggestions
on this?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228318#228318
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| Subject: | Re: Yak rudder pedal mod |
hello Barry: do they fit the 55?=0AI am still looking for more leg room=0A
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od=0A=0AGang, =0A=0AI just got done flight testing our new rudder pedal bra
ckets in the Yak-50. -They're a nice change. -The additional 3" of leg
room is noticeable and there are no clearance issues.=0A=0AWe need to find
a local Yak-52 to confirm that there are not any clearance issues in the fr
ont cockpit, and then we'll do our first production run. -We currently ha
ve about a dozen orders waiting and would like to complete the development
stage ASAP. -If any local Yak-52's are interested, we will give you a fre
e set ($250 value) plus free installation (another $225 value) for bringing
your Yak to Chino for a day. -=0A=0APlease contact me directly if you ar
e interested and we will put it on the schedule.=0A=0AHappy Yakkin',=0A=0AB
arry=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABarry Hancock- - - - - - - -=0AWorldwide
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| Subject: | Re: Yak rudder pedal mod |
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| Subject: | Re: Yak rudder pedal mod |
The rudder pedal brackets are designed to fit the original pedal assemblies used
in pneumatic systems. I don't know if the -55 has pneumatic brakes or not.
They will not work in a -52TW, but will work on a -52TD, provided they are original
brakes.
I believe I have someone willing to test the brackets on a -52 in the front seat
in the next few weeks. So, we should have a definitive answer on the -52 front
cockpit soon.
Cheers,
Barry
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Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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