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4. 06:58 AM - Re: Need a prop! (Richard Goode)
5. 07:03 AM - Re: Need a prop! (Chris)
6. 07:03 AM - Re: Need a prop! (Chris)
7. 08:53 AM - Re: Need a prop! (bill wade)
8. 09:31 AM - Re: Need a prop! (Chris)
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10. 10:40 AM - Re: Need a prop! (Chris Cox)
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To Chris Cox
If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a new
prop and fly the Yak !!
An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and the
engine could well be damaged.
At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be
stripped and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on the
end of the crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a
strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing in
from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite gear in
the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.
Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments etc.Had
it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have come out in
flight.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Cox
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Need a prop!
Hello,
Well just cleaned out the bank buying a yak 55m with a prop
strike(only 24 yrs old).It has a 3 blade whirlwind and they
want 6600 to fix it.Does anyone have a old 2 blade laying
around? I could rent or buy? to ferry the plane home. I have
3000+hrs and 500+ in pitts so it will be safe if i can just
rent one to get it home.Also in need of a Engine mount leg
if anyone has one laying around.
Thanks,
Chris Cox
Aerial Acquisition
404-697-3069
ccox@aerialgroup.net
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Chris,
Richard is absolutely correct. The fact that you need an engine mount leg
tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of way. I personally would
not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the mount is broken but
considering it is welded where the arms support and are mounted to the ring.
It is bolted to the fire wall in 4 places. It took some force to break a
mount that is for sure. You have no idea what kind of force in the form of a
rotational moment that was applied to the gears until you tear down the nose
case and check.
Think about it. It is your rosey pink that is going to be sitting behind it
on this ferry flight.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need a prop!
To Chris Cox
If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a new prop
and fly the Yak !!
An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and the engine
could well be damaged.
At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be stripped
and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on the end of the
crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a strike,and
went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing in from an aerobatic
sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite gear in the gearbox had broken
up and jammed the whole gearbox.
Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments etc.Had it
been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have come out in flight.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Cox <mailto:ccox@aerialgroup.net>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Need a prop!
Hello,
Well just cleaned out the bank buying a yak 55m with a prop
strike(only 24 yrs old).It has a 3 blade whirlwind and they
want 6600 to fix it.Does anyone have a old 2 blade laying
around? I could rent or buy? to ferry the plane home. I have
3000+hrs and 500+ in pitts so it will be safe if i can just
rent one to get it home.Also in need of a Engine mount leg
if anyone has one laying around.
Thanks,
Chris Cox
Aerial Acquisition
404-697-3069
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We are dialing the crank for sure before the flight
I have talked with several people here in the us about it
We plan on doing an Iran when we get it home
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On Feb 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Richard is absolutely correct. The fact that you need an engine
> mount leg tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of way. I
> personally would not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the
> mount is broken but considering it is welded where the arms support
> and are mounted to the ring. It is bolted to the fire wall in 4
> places. It took some force to break a mount that is for sure. You
> have no idea what kind of force in the form of a rotational moment
> that was applied to the gears until you tear down the nose case and
> check.
>
> Think about it. It is your rosey pink that is going to be sitting
> behind it on this ferry flight.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:28 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need a prop!
>
>
> To Chris Cox
>
> If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a new
> prop and fly the Yak !!
>
> An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and
> the engine could well be damaged.
>
> At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be
> stripped and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on
> the end of the crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
>
> We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a
> strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing in
> from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite gear
> in the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.
>
> Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments
> etc.Had it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have
> come out in flight.
>
> Richard
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Chris Cox
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:13 PM
>
> Subject: Yak-List: Need a prop!
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Well just cleaned out the bank buying a yak 55m with a prop
> strike(only 24 yrs old).It has a 3 blade whirlwind and they
> want 6600 to fix it.Does anyone have a old 2 blade laying
> around? I could rent or buy? to ferry the plane home. I have
> 3000+hrs and 500+ in pitts so it will be safe if i can just
> rent one to get it home.Also in need of a Engine mount leg
> if anyone has one laying around.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Chris Cox
> Aerial Acquisition
> 404-697-3069
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Chris-when you say "the crank" I assume you do not mean the propshaft
flange,as you might do with a Lycoming-that is irelevant with a geared
engine.
Also,you have no way of knowing what damage there might be in the
gearbox,and if the original accident broke an engine mount,it was so
severe that internal damage is a reasonable possibility.
The manufacturer's strict instructions are that ANY ground strike must
then have,at a minimum,a gearbox check.
In the end,it is not only your neck that could be affected,it is also
our insurance premiums and the reputation of these Russian aircraft!!
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need a prop!
We are dialing the crank for sure before the flight
I have talked with several people here in the us about it
We plan on doing an Iran when we get it home
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Chris,
Richard is absolutely correct. The fact that you need an engine
mount leg tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of way. I
personally would not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the
mount is broken but considering it is welded where the arms support and
are mounted to the ring. It is bolted to the fire wall in 4 places. It
took some force to break a mount that is for sure. You have no idea what
kind of force in the form of a rotational moment that was applied to the
gears until you tear down the nose case and check.
Think about it. It is your rosey pink that is going to be sitting
behind it on this ferry flight.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:28 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need a prop!
To Chris Cox
If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a new
prop and fly the Yak !!
An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and
the engine could well be damaged.
At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be
stripped and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on the
end of the crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a
strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing in
from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite gear in
the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.
Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments
etc.Had it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have come
out in flight.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Cox
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Need a prop!
Hello,
Well just cleaned out the bank buying a yak 55m with a prop
strike(only 24 yrs old).It has a 3 blade whirlwind and they
want 6600 to fix it.Does anyone have a old 2 blade laying
around? I could rent or buy? to ferry the plane home. I have
3000+hrs and 500+ in pitts so it will be safe if i can just
rent one to get it home.Also in need of a Engine mount leg
if anyone has one laying around.
Thanks,
Chris Cox
Aerial Acquisition
404-697-3069
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The reason it's 6600 is that it's an older whirlwind
They will not fix one blade they want to put 3
New blades in
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On Feb 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Richard is absolutely correct. The fact that you need an engine
> mount leg tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of way. I
> personally would not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the
> mount is broken but considering it is welded where the arms support
> and are mounted to the ring. It is bolted to the fire wall in 4
> places. It took some force to break a mount that is for sure. You
> have no idea what kind of force in the form of a rotational moment
> that was applied to the gears until you tear down the nose case and
> check.
>
> Think about it. It is your rosey pink that is going to be sitting
> behind it on this ferry flight.
>
> Doc
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:28 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need a prop!
>
>
> To Chris Cox
>
> If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a new
> prop and fly the Yak !!
>
> An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and
> the engine could well be damaged.
>
> At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be
> stripped and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on
> the end of the crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
>
> We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a
> strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing in
> from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite gear
> in the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.
>
> Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments
> etc.Had it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have
> come out in flight.
>
> Richard
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Chris Cox
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:13 PM
>
> Subject: Yak-List: Need a prop!
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Well just cleaned out the bank buying a yak 55m with a prop
> strike(only 24 yrs old).It has a 3 blade whirlwind and they
> want 6600 to fix it.Does anyone have a old 2 blade laying
> around? I could rent or buy? to ferry the plane home. I have
> 3000+hrs and 500+ in pitts so it will be safe if i can just
> rent one to get it home.Also in need of a Engine mount leg
> if anyone has one laying around.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Chris Cox
> Aerial Acquisition
> 404-697-3069
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It won't effect your insurance I don't have insurance
As I paid cash for the plane.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:56 AM, "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com
> wrote:
> Chris-when you say "the crank" I assume you do not mean the
> propshaft flange,as you might do with a Lycoming-that is irelevant
> with a geared engine.
> Also,you have no way of knowing what damage there might be in the
> gearbox,and if the original accident broke an engine mount,it was so
> severe that internal damage is a reasonable possibility.
> The manufacturer's strict instructions are that ANY ground strike
> must then have,at a minimum,a gearbox check.
> In the end,it is not only your neck that could be affected,it is
> also our insurance premiums and the reputation of these Russian
> aircraft!!
> Richard
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need a prop!
>
> We are dialing the crank for sure before the flight
> I have talked with several people here in the us about it
> We plan on doing an Iran when we get it home
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, "Roger Kemp MD"
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Richard is absolutely correct. The fact that you need an engine
>> mount leg tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of way. I
>> personally would not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the
>> mount is broken but considering it is welded where the arms support
>> and are mounted to the ring. It is bolted to the fire wall in 4
>> places. It took some force to break a mount that is for sure. You
>> have no idea what kind of force in the form of a rotational moment
>> that was applied to the gears until you tear down the nose case and
>> check.
>>
>> Think about it. It is your rosey pink that is going to be sitting
>> behind it on this ferry flight.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:28 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need a prop!
>>
>>
>> To Chris Cox
>>
>> If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a
>> new prop and fly the Yak !!
>>
>> An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and
>> the engine could well be damaged.
>>
>> At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be
>> stripped and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out
>> on the end of the crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
>>
>> We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a
>> strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing
>> in from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite
>> gear in the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.
>>
>> Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments
>> etc.Had it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have
>> come out in flight.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>> Rhodds Farm
>> Lyonshall
>> Hereford
>> HR5 3LW
>> United Kingdom
>>
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>> www.russianaeros.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Chris Cox
>>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:13 PM
>>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Need a prop!
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Well just cleaned out the bank buying a yak 55m with a prop
>> strike(only 24 yrs old).It has a 3 blade whirlwind and they
>> want 6600 to fix it.Does anyone have a old 2 blade laying
>> around? I could rent or buy? to ferry the plane home. I have
>> 3000+hrs and 500+ in pitts so it will be safe if i can just
>> rent one to get it home.Also in need of a Engine mount leg
>> if anyone has one laying around.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Cox
>> Aerial Acquisition
>> 404-697-3069
>> http://www.matronics========================<; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com
>> ">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Need a prop! |
Chris should you get the engine started and it doesn't make manifold 80+ pr
essure at max-throttle and 72 % power, the gear has sheared that turns th
e blower. We flew this aircraft but it never made full power and didn't run
right at full power, had the blower moved probably would have sent the res
t of the gear teeth through the engine.-Just sharing my experience =0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Chris <ccox@aerialgroup.n
et>=0ATo: "yak-list@matronics.com" <yak-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Saturda
y, February 21, 2009 9:59:30 AM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Need a prop!=0A=0A
=0AThe reason it's 6600 is that it's an older whirlwind=0AThey will not fix
one blade they want to put 3-=0ANew blades in=0A=0ASent from my iPhone
=0A=0AOn Feb 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com
> wrote:=0A=0A=0AChris,=0ARichard is absolutely correct. The fact that you
need an engine mount leg tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of
way. I personally would not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the
mount is broken but considering it is welded where the arms support and ar
e mounted to the ring. It is bolted to the fire wall in 4 places. It took s
ome force to break a mount that is for sure. You have no idea what kind of
force in the form of a rotational moment that was applied to the gears unti
l you tear down the nose case and check. =0AThink about it. It is your rose
y pink that is going to be sitting behind it on this ferry flight.=0ADoc=0A
-=0AFrom:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-serve
r@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode=0ASent: Saturday, February 21,
2009 4:28 AM=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Need a p
rop!=0A-=0ATo Chris Cox=0AIf you have any sense of self preservation,DO N
OT just bolt on a new prop and fly the Yak !!=0AAn estimate of $6600 is ind
icative of a serious ground-strike,and the engine could well be damaged.=0A
At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be stripped
and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on the end of the
crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.=0AWe had a UK Sukhoi,where the own
er just replaced the prop after a strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours l
ater,when he was taxiing in from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked so
lid-a satelite gear in the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearb
ox.=0AEven at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments etc.Ha
d it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have come out in flig
ht.=0ARichard=0A-=0ARichard Goode Aerobatics=0ARhodds Farm=0ALyonshall=0A
Hereford=0AHR5 3LW=0AUnited Kingdom=0A-=0ATel:-- +44 (0) 1544 340120
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bruary 20, 2009 9:13 PM=0ASubject:Yak-List: Need a prop!=0A-=0A--> Yak-Li
st message posted by: Chris Cox <ccox@aerialgroup.net>=0A=0AHello,=0A=0AWel
l just cleaned out the bank buying a yak 55m with a prop =0Astrike(only 24
yrs old).It has a 3 blade whirlwind and they =0Awant 6600 to fix it.Does an
yone have a old 2 blade laying =0Aaround? I could rent or buy? to ferry the
plane home. I have =0A3000+hrs and 500+ in pitts so it will be safe if i c
an just =0Arent one to get it home.Also in need of a Engine mount leg =0Aif
anyone has one laying around.=0A=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0A=0A=0AChris Cox=0AAeria
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| Subject: | Re: Need a prop! |
Bill
You are saying you have flown this aircraft before they hit a taxi
light?
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 21, 2009, at 11:52 AM, bill wade <bwade154@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Chris should you get the engine started and it doesn't make manifold
> 80+ pressure at max throttle and 72 % power, the gear has sheared
> that turns the blower. We flew this aircraft but it never made full
> power and didn't run right at full power, had the blower moved
> probably would have sent the rest of the gear teeth through the
> engine. Just sharing my experience
>
> From: Chris <ccox@aerialgroup.net>
> To: "yak-list@matronics.com" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:59:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need a prop!
>
> The reason it's 6600 is that it's an older whirlwind
> They will not fix one blade they want to put 3
> New blades in
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, "Roger Kemp MD"
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Richard is absolutely correct. The fact that you need an engine
>> mount leg tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of way. I
>> personally would not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the
>> mount is broken but considering it is welded where the arms support
>> and are mounted to the ring. It is bolted to the fire wall in 4
>> places. It took some force to break a mount that is for sure. You
>> have no idea what kind of force in the form of a rotational moment
>> that was applied to the gears until you tear down the nose case and
>> check.
>>
>> Think about it. It is your rosey pink that is going to be sitting
>> behind it on this ferry flight.
>>
>> Doc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:28 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need a prop!
>>
>>
>>
>> To Chris Cox
>>
>> If you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just bolt on a
>> new prop and fly the Yak !!
>>
>> An estimate of $6600 is indicative of a serious ground-strike,and
>> the engine could well be damaged.
>>
>> At its very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be
>> stripped and crack -tested,and at the same time check the run-out
>> on the end of the crank-it should not be more than 0.03mm.
>>
>> We had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just replaced the prop after a
>> strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,when he was taxiing
>> in from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a satelite
>> gear in the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.
>>
>> Even at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments
>> etc.Had it been 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have
>> come out in flight.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Goode Aerobatics
>> Rhodds Farm
>> Lyonshall
>> Hereford
>> HR5 3LW
>> United Kingdom
>>
>>
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>> www.russianaeros.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Chris Cox
>>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:13 PM
>>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Need a prop!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Well just cleaned out the bank buying a yak 55m with a prop
>> strike(only 24 yrs old).It has a 3 blade whirlwind and they
>> want 6600 to fix it.Does anyone have a old 2 blade laying
>> around? I could rent or buy? to ferry the plane home. I have
>> 3000+hrs and 500+ in pitts so it will be safe if i can just
>> rent one to get it home.Also in need of a Engine mount leg
>> if anyone has one laying around.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Cox
>> Aerial Acquisition
>> 404-697-3069
>> http://www.matronics========================<; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com
>> ">http://forums.matronics.com
>> _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ">http://www.matronics.com/c================
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: Need a prop! |
no Chris I'm saying I flew an M14P that had a prop strike and it had a prob
lem, although not in the propeller gear box. Must have been a big light to
tear a mount loose.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
Chris <ccox@aerialgroup.net>=0ATo: "yak-list@matronics.com" <yak-list@matro
nics.com>=0ASent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:27:58 PM=0ASubject: Re: Ya
k-List: Need a prop!=0A=0A=0ABill=0AYou are saying you have flown this airc
raft before they hit a taxi light?=0A=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn Feb
21, 2009, at 11:52 AM, bill wade <bwade154@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0AChris
should you get the engine started and it doesn't make manifold 80+ pressure
at max-throttle and 72 % power, the gear has sheared that turns the blow
er. We flew this aircraft but it never made full power and didn't run right
at full power, had the blower moved probably would have sent the rest of t
he gear teeth through the engine.-Just sharing my experience =0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Chris <ccox@aerialgroup.net>=0A
ruary 21, 2009 9:59:30 AM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Need a prop!=0A=0A=0AThe
reason it's 6600 is that it's an older whirlwind=0AThey will not fix one b
lade they want to put 3-=0ANew blades in=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn
Feb 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, "Roger Kemp MD" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
=0A=0A=0AChris,=0ARichard is absolutely correct. The fact that you need an
engine mount leg tells me that engine took a hit in a worst kind of way. I
personally would not trust it on a ferry flight. Not sure where the mount i
s broken but considering it is welded where the arms support and are mounte
d to the ring. It is bolted to the fire wall in 4 places. It took some forc
e to break a mount that is for sure. You have no idea what kind of force in
the form of a rotational moment that was applied to the gears until you te
ar down the nose case and check. =0AThink about it. It is your rosey pink t
hat is going to be sitting behind it on this ferry flight.=0ADoc=0A-=0AFr
om:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matron
ics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode=0ASent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:2
8 AM=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Need a prop!=0A
-=0ATo Chris Cox=0AIf you have any sense of self preservation,DO NOT just
bolt on a new prop and fly the Yak !!=0AAn estimate of $6600 is indicative
of a serious ground-strike,and the engine could well be damaged.=0AAt its
very least,you should remove the gearbox,and send it to be stripped and cra
ck -tested,and at the same time check the run-out on the end of the crank-i
t should not be more than 0.03mm.=0AWe had a UK Sukhoi,where the owner just
replaced the prop after a strike,and went on flying.About 3 hours later,wh
en he was taxiing in from an aerobatic sequence,the engine locked solid-a s
atelite gear in the gearbox had broken up and jammed the whole gearbox.=0AE
ven at idle,it broke the engine mount,a couple of instruments etc.Had it be
en 5 minutes before the engine would certainly have come out in flight.=0AR
ichard=0A-=0ARichard Goode Aerobatics=0ARhodds Farm=0ALyonshall=0AHerefor
d=0AHR5 3LW=0AUnited Kingdom=0A-=0ATel:-- +44 (0) 1544 340120=0AFax:
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cleaned out the bank buying a yak 55m with a prop =0Astrike(only 24 yrs old
).It has a 3 blade whirlwind and they =0Awant 6600 to fix it.Does anyone ha
ve a old 2 blade laying =0Aaround? I could rent or buy? to ferry the plane
home. I have =0A3000+hrs and 500+ in pitts so it will be safe if i can just
=0Arent one to get it home.Also in need of a Engine mount leg =0Aif anyone
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| Subject: | Re: Need a prop! |
ahhh ok thanks...Well what happened was that it took about 3
inchs of the tip off and it set and it was vibrating so bad
it broke the mount! Im not trying to get out of what i need
to do just trying to get it home so working on it would be
easy.I thanks this group a lot for the insite and sure i
will have more questions.Still looking for a prop to buy/use
to ferry it home.
Chris Cox
Aerial Acquisition
404-697-3069
ccox@aerialgroup.net
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| Subject: | 9 Cylinder JPI CHT / EGT |
FYI - just posted a brand new JPI 9 CYL EDM-700 on ebay - see
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JPI-EDM-700-9-Cylinder-CHT-EGT-Gauge-NEW-
w-probes_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a4Q7c65Q3a10Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1
318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem170304699953QQitemZ170304699953Q
QptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear
This is about $3K new - starting bid is $1,200. Perfect for M-14P / PF.
Bones
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Chris;
I very seriously suggest that you truck it home. In addition to possible
internal engine damage the broken engine mount is an indicator of possible
airframe damage as well.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Cox" <ccox@aerialgroup.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need a prop!
>
> ahhh ok thanks...Well what happened was that it took about 3
> inchs of the tip off and it set and it was vibrating so bad
> it broke the mount! Im not trying to get out of what i need
> to do just trying to get it home so working on it would be
> easy.I thanks this group a lot for the insite and sure i
> will have more questions.Still looking for a prop to buy/use
> to ferry it home.
>
> Chris Cox
> Aerial Acquisition
> 404-697-3069
> ccox@aerialgroup.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need a prop! |
-Mr Cox, it seems rather clear that you fully well intend to ignore the a
dvice of some of the best experts on this list server.- You want to ferry
this aircraft home, and by God, you are going to do that no matter how man
y people (who are far more-experienced than you) suggest otherwise.--
You appreciate their well meaning advice, but really let's face it, you ma
de up your mind about this quite some time ago, and you really do not want
to be confused with any facts that might change your decision.- =0A-=0A
As for insurance, ......of course you will not have any.- Anyone who know
s the true circumstances of this flight would never insure your aircraft to
begin with.- Of course it is YOUR MONEY... but you honestly can not be s
ure that should the worst happen, that it will-just be you that gets hurt
or dies. You clearly could--end up killing someone else in the process
.--- =0A-=0AOf course everyone that has read your comments has had
these- thoughts go through their mind.- A wise person would just shake
their head and walk away.- I am sure a lot of readers-have done just th
at.- But you see, anyone on this system will tell you... I have a big mou
th.- But I also pride myself on doing my very best to tell the truth, no
matter where the cards- fall.- So read the following carefully:- =0A
-=0A"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid". - John Wayne-
=0A-=0AI know in my heart that there is nothing anyone can say that will
change your mind .- So, I will wish you the best of luck and will honestl
y say a prayer for you.- However, there is not a chance in hell that I wi
ll help you find a prop to fly your YAK-55 home and I truly hope everyone e
lse feels the same way.- If this upsets you, then so be it.- I see no v
alid reason why any person on this list should help you do something that w
e all know is less than safe and in fact borders on reckless.- Yes, I kno
w I am-going to catch a lot of-grief for being less than politically co
rrect with this message, but my conscience simply will not allow me to bury
my head in the sand-on this one.- -=0A-=0ABest Regards, .- =0A
-=0AMark Bitterlich =0AN50YK=0A-=0A=0A-=0A=0A________________________
________=0AFrom: Walter Lannon <wlannon@persona.ca>=0ATo: yak-list@matronic
s.com=0ASent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:05:36 PM=0ASubject: Re: Yak-Lis
@persona.ca>=0A=0AChris;=0AI very seriously suggest that you truck it home.
In addition to possible =0Ainternal engine damage the broken engine mount
is an indicator of possible =0Aairframe damage as well.=0A=0AWalt=0A----- O
riginal Message ----- =0AFrom: "Chris Cox" <ccox@aerialgroup.net>=0ATo: <ya
k-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:38 AM=0ASubjec
is Cox <ccox@aerialgroup.net>=0A>=0A> ahhh ok thanks...Well what happened w
as that it took about 3=0A> inchs of the tip off and it set and it was vibr
ating so bad=0A> it broke the mount! Im not trying to get out of what i nee
d=0A> to do just trying to get it home so working on it would be=0A> easy.I
thanks this group a lot for the insite and sure i=0A> will have more quest
ions.Still looking for a prop to buy/use=0A> to ferry it home.=0A>=0A> Chri
s Cox=0A> Aerial Acquisition=0A> 404-697-3069=0A> ccox@aerialgroup.net=0A>
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