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1. 01:16 AM - Re: Yak-50 (Richard Goode)
2. 08:33 AM - black oxide (Jon Boede)
3. 08:52 AM - Obama - User Fees (Craig Winkelmann)
4. 09:17 AM - Re: Voltage Regulation LONG REPLY! (Gill Gutierrez)
5. 09:33 AM - Re: Obama - User Fees (Hans Oortman 1)
6. 09:40 AM - Re: Obama - User Fees (Roger Kemp MD)
7. 09:51 AM - Yak 52 Canopy Glass (yak52)
8. 09:53 AM - Re: Obama - User Fees (hkgibby@yahoo.com)
9. 10:21 AM - Re: Obama - User Fees (Keith Pickford)
10. 10:35 AM - Re: Obama - User Fees (talew@bellsouth.net)
11. 10:57 AM - Re: Obama - User Fees (Roger Kemp MD)
12. 11:07 AM - Re: Obama - User Fees (Roger Kemp MD)
13. 06:25 PM - ARS 2009 (Brandon Tucker)
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The official "life" of a Yak 50 in Soviet times was 30,000 manouvers,and
it would seem to me possible to do 11,000 in 120 hours.But they were
only expected to do 300 hours total,and Russian Team aircraft only 45!!!
If all that flying was in Russia before 1983,let me know the serial no.
and Yakovlev should be able to give me more history.
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
----- Original Message -----
From: H=E5vard Dale
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:27 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak-50
Hi,
Could somebody help out with S/N information on Yak 50? Need to know
the history of a plane that's for sale. The plane has logged over 11000
aerobatic cycles until 1983 flown 120:00hrs!!! Some opinion on that?
Regards
Havard Dale
YakNorway
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I have been looking into replacing some of the steel screws on the various
Red Star aircraft we have at the museum.
The people at the Metric Screw company (which I got from somebody on this l
ist long ago=2C and is the only place that seems to carry the slotted truss
-head metric screws) can send out my screws to have them run through the bl
ack oxide process. If you're getting this done to a gun=2C the process is
called 'bluing' and with stainless=2C "hot bluing" seems to have some real
benefits: http://www.swdinc.com/black_oxide.htm
Does anybody know of a reason that I *wouldn't* want to have my aircraft sc
rews done in black oxide?
Is something done in black oxide easier to paint? I've never had to paint
the stainless screws but I seem to recall that you have to do something to
get them to take the paint.
Thanks=2C
Jon
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| Subject: | Obama - User Fees |
Well....the Obama budget replaces almost half of the FAAs funding with "direct
user fees: and removes excise taxes. I spoke with a pilot from Germany at a CAP
Check Pilot School this weekend. In Germany, they collect $10 every time the
wheels touch the ground. Don't land and they charge a "handling fee." AOPA
and EAA will be our vioce in this matter. If you aren't a member, now is the
time to be one.
Craig W.
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| Subject: | Voltage Regulation LONG REPLY! |
Mark,
You have way too much time on your hands. I too am an engineer and don't
that much time on my hands. I learned a long time ago that there is always
more than one approach in arriving at a solution. My approach is simply
check the generator first to make sure the brushes aren't floating just in
case it's something simple. I didn't mean to defame you by suggesting that
a simple mechanic could fix the problem.
By the way nice write up.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Voltage Regulation LONG REPLY!
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Well, as anyone who knows me has learned long ago, I never run away from
a good debate. So... That said, Gill, I do not know what you do for a
living, but I am a Avionics Field Engineer, and I am darn sure of what I
am talking about regarding this problem. Unfortunately what you are
passing to this gentleman is still incorrect and it is in fact ill
advised.
You said: "The problem originally described was that the generator light
went off at the normal point and then came on with increasing RPM, this
suggests that brushes may not be making solid contact and should be
easily checked as previously suggested."
You then also said: "I am not there so the mic (mechanic in command)
will have to decide."
First, you do not need to be an A&P to troubleshoot this. Most
mechanics are not familiar with very old design generator systems, and
it is a mistake to think that their word is gospel in a situation where
they are dealing with a foreign built aircraft that typically they have
no experience with. They also have to deal with minimum documentation
on the electrical system that usually is written in Cyrillic. Anyone
have a local A&P that speaks and reads Russian?
Second, your statement of what happened is out of context and
incomplete.
I have taken this electrical system apart piece by piece and I know
every single part and how it works and why it does what it does in ANY
situation. I wrote a complete white paper on this system that explains
it. So here's the COMPLETE breakdown of the whole problem.
READ IT VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU REPLY PLEASE.
1. The generator light is on. He starts the engine. The light
remains on at idle. This is normal.
2. The engine RPM is increased. THE LIGHT GOES OUT. This is normal.
3. Now as the engine RPM is increased FURTHER, the generator light
COMES ON. In other words, we now have a fault. The only debate here is
what caused it to happen... You say it could be brushes or springs.
Well.. Read on.
3. As it went higher the OVER-VOLTAGE CIRCUIT BREAKER POPS and the Gen
light comes on again. It is SUPPOSED to come on when you have an
over-voltage condition. I'll tell you why later. But....Brushes and
springs can not cause a generator to put out too much voltage. That is
simply IMPOSSIBLE.
Let's review using the exact wording taken from the original message.
A. He said: "I connected a voltmeter to the DMR-200 as I ran it even if
I adjusted the regulation screw...I got no change in voltage."
STOP RIGHT THERE! Without going ANY further, just by that one statement
alone, he has a voltage regulation problem.
BUT, let's go on.
B. "as I increased power @ 40% the light went out(started charging"
OK, the GENERATOR IS NOW WORKING AND SUPPLYING POWER TO THE AIRCRAFT
BUS.
C. He says: "Volts increase with throttle until 45%RPM and kicks Gen
offline at @30.5 volts."
Please pay particular attention to the MEASURED VOLTAGE OF 30.5 VOLTS
DC!!!! That is EXACTLY what the system was designed to do. Take the
generator output off line if it puts out too much voltage. From the
Russian manuals, that is the exact voltage which causes it.
But if you are still not convinced, he also says:
D. "Around 45% the Gen Fail light would come back on and POP THE
OVERVOLTAGE CIRCUIT BREAKER" (emphasis mine)
Ah, yeah... That would be what the over-voltage control circuit is
designed to do. Pop the breaker, which opens the main contactor,
removing generator voltage from the aircraft and protecting aircraft
components and avionics from too much voltage.
When the generator has uncontrolled regulation, the voltage will
increase with RPM. This is why it is highly likely that the problem he
has is directly tied to the voltage control rheostat.
Any design engineer always puts in over-voltage protection. In the YAK
and Sukhoi series of aircraft, this is a big silver box that is
constructed so that when the voltage gets up to about 30-31 volts
(exactly as he said), an internal circuit breaker that is covered with a
little red piece of rubber, POPS and when it does, it opens the circuit
to the main contactor relay and removes all generator output from the
aircraft. When the main contactor opens, a sense wire goes LOW and this
opens another relay behind the instrument panel that TURNS ON THE
GENERATOR LIGHT. Again, this has ZERO to do with brushes and springs.
By the way, it is very easy to KEEP this circuit operational when
installing a B&C PMG or Alternator, or anything else for that matter.
This circuit is very reliable and worth keeping.
To continue: The generator light is coming on because the main contactor
opened after an over-voltage circuit breaker popped, and not because the
generator is not putting out voltage, as would be the case if the
brushes and springs were bad. No, the generator is working perfectly
just putting out TOO MUCH VOLTAGE, which is why it got disconnected from
the aircraft power mains.
Want to see it happen for yourself? Just like this guy is seeing? Take
the middle wire off of your generator in your aircraft. Connect a new
piece of wire directly from that middle generator contact directly to
the contact marked with the big PLUS (+) sign. Now start your engine.
It will do exactly what this mans airplane does. By the way, doing that
is not an advised method of testing your generator, but it is done all
the time in the field. If you try this, make sure you have all possible
switches in your aircraft turned off, because if your over-voltage
system happens not to work, you will end up frying all your avionics.
Watch your internal voltmeter very closely if you do this. It will go
up and down with RPM very rapidly. Like I said, I do not advise this as
a normal step by anyone with less than a complete knowledge of how this
system works. This test also has no bearing on the present problem. By
the way, it is also very doubtful that your mechanic will know anything
about a test like this. A&P's are usually very up to date on
ALTERNATORS, but not so hot on old generator designs.
ANYWAY.
Something most people do not know and I will explain here. What does
the generator light really tell you? What makes it come on and what
makes it turn off?
The generator light is simply an indication that tells you the position
of the main contactor relay that connects the generator to the aircraft.
If that relay is closed, the generator light goes out. If the main
contactor relay is open, the generator light comes on. It is that
simple.
The main contactor relay itself is controlled by a whole SLEW of OTHER
factors. Generator voltage, forward and reverse current, and lastly, by
over-voltage conditions. However, what it is NOT is any kind of direct
indication that the generator is, or is not, putting out voltage.
Merely whether a big relay is either OPEN or CLOSED. It can not be used
in any way to determine the condition or operation of the generators
brushes and springs EXCEPT IF IT IS FLICKERING. In that case, you very
well might want to check your brushes and springs.
Of course if there is any doubt, I would advise consulting with a Master
Russian Mechanic like Vladimir Yatremski. But keep in mind that he often
comes to me for help with this system.
Mark Bitterlich
EA-6B Prowler Field Engineering
MCAS Cherry Point NC
Yeah, President Obama was here today....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gill Gutierrez
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Voltage Regulation
Mark,
The problem originally described was that the generator light went off
at the normal point and then came on with increasing RPM, this suggests
that brushes may not be making solid contact and should be easily
checked as previously suggested. I am not there so the mic (mechanic in
command) will have to decide.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Voltage Regulation
--> Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Gill, with respect... If the generator puts out voltage, and the gen
light goes out when the engine RPM is increased past 40%, and then the
over-voltage circuit breaker pops at 30-31 volts, this is not a brush or
spring problem.
If the brushes or springs are completely bad, (either / or) you will
have no voltage at all out of the generator. If a spring is weak, you
will have intermittant voltage. I.E.: It will be turning on and off
rapidly.
Brushes and springs push against the commutator windings taking the AC
output of the windings and essentially giving you a DC output. Thus the
brushes and springs are critical to the generator putting out any output
AT ALL.
This is a regulation problem dealing with the probable loss of field
current from the voltage regulator.
For a complete understanding of the theory involved here, you might want
to check out this site.
http://www.rowand.net/Shop/Tech/AlternatorGeneratorTheory.htm
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gill Gutierrez
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Voltage Regulation
This maybe generator related. I would check the generator brushes and
springs. Make sure brushes are clean, move easily and are seated and
brush springs are properly installed.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TXYak
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:05 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Voltage Regulation
Question regarding Voltage Regulation in a Yak 52.
First, this is a project airplane and has not been flown yet in the US.
I have gotten it running, but have no voltage regulation. When I first
started it, I had the Gen Fail light at low RPM...as I increased power @
40% the light went out(started charging) Around 45% the Gen Fail light
would come back on and pop the overvoltage breaker. I connected a
voltmeter to the DMR-200 as I ran it even if I adjusted the regulation
screw...I got no change in voltage. Volts increase with throttle until
45%RPM and kicks Gen offline at @30.5 volts. I have tried another
voltage regulator(it had been sitting for 6-7 years unused) got the same
symptoms.
Can anyone recommend more places to look, as most of you have a better
understanding of this electrical system than I do. My level of
frustration is tempting me to go with a B & C alternator/regulator. Any
advice for or against. If there is a problem in the system somewhere
elsse...I don't want to start frying B & C's.
Thanks,
Chris Keating
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| Subject: | Obama - User Fees |
Craig,
Germany is cheap....every time I put my Yak52 on the ground at my home field
EHSE in Holland, I pay $ 26,--, t&g's are cheaper.....$18,--. In addition we
pay a huge amount of excise on gas (>70% of selling price)
But the big difference between Holland and the US is that you have a federal
law which, as I understand it, says that any taxes received from GA has to
be spend in GA again...with us it goes in a black hole called the government
in The Hague and we know where that ends up......
Looks like moving to the States won't help in the foreseeable future....
Hans
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Craig Winkelmann
Verzonden: maandag 2 maart 2009 17:51
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Yak-List: Obama - User Fees
Well....the Obama budget replaces almost half of the FAAs funding with
"direct user fees: and removes excise taxes. I spoke with a pilot from
Germany at a CAP Check Pilot School this weekend. In Germany, they collect
$10 every time the wheels touch the ground. Don't land and they charge a
"handling fee." AOPA and EAA will be our vioce in this matter. If you
aren't a member, now is the time to be one.
Craig W.
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| Subject: | Obama - User Fees |
Time to build a private strip.
Viperdoc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Winkelmann
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Obama - User Fees
Well....the Obama budget replaces almost half of the FAAs funding with
"direct user fees: and removes excise taxes. I spoke with a pilot from
Germany at a CAP Check Pilot School this weekend. In Germany, they collect
$10 every time the wheels touch the ground. Don't land and they charge a
"handling fee." AOPA and EAA will be our vioce in this matter. If you
aren't a member, now is the time to be one.
Craig W.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232756#232756
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| Subject: | Yak 52 Canopy Glass |
I'm thinking of replacing my canopy glass on my Yak 52. Has anybody
installed the Malcolm Hood from LP Aero on a 52?
Or any other suggestions?
Thanks,
Deon Esterhuizen
N192YK
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| Subject: | Re: Obama - User Fees |
Crying about it on this site won't change a thing; please; everyone write your
Congressmen and Senator to help fight this proposal!!!
Hoot
Jacksonville, FL
------Original Message------
From: Roger Kemp MD
Sender: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mar 2, 2009 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Obama - User Fees
Time to build a private strip.
Viperdoc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Winkelmann
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Obama - User Fees
Well....the Obama budget replaces almost half of the FAAs funding with
"direct user fees: and removes excise taxes. I spoke with a pilot from
Germany at a CAP Check Pilot School this weekend. In Germany, they collect
$10 every time the wheels touch the ground. Don't land and they charge a
"handling fee." AOPA and EAA will be our vioce in this matter. If you
aren't a member, now is the time to be one.
Craig W.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232756#232756
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| Subject: | Obama - User Fees |
Or shift to Ashburton New Zealand - No landing fees !! 1 hour to Wanaka by
Yak 52 - Buy your own hangar for US$15,000. Double your US dollars when you
change to NZ dollars.
You can fly the full length of the country with no restrictions as long as
you have a 406 ELB and transponder. =C2-Its not too bad here.
=C2-
Regards
=C2-
Keith
=C2-
Yak 52 - ZK JPW
--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Roger Kemp MD <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
From: Roger Kemp MD <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Obama - User Fees
Received: Tuesday, 3 March, 2009, 6:39 AM
<viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Time to build a private strip.
Viperdoc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Winkelmann
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Obama - User Fees
<capav8r@gmail.com>
Well....the Obama budget replaces almost half of the FAAs funding with
"direct user fees: and removes excise taxes. I spoke with a pilot from
Germany at a CAP Check Pilot School this weekend. In Germany, they collect
$10 every time the wheels touch the ground. Don't land and they charge a
"handling fee." AOPA and EAA will be our vioce in this matter. If
you
aren't a member, now is the time to be one.
Craig W.
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| Subject: | Obama - User Fees |
Have...more than once. How about all the rest or are we prepared to sit
around singing cum bah ya with they strip us of all our rights?
Viperdoc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hkgibby@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Obama - User Fees
Crying about it on this site won't change a thing; please; everyone write
your Congressmen and Senator to help fight this proposal!!!
Hoot
Jacksonville, FL
------Original Message------
From: Roger Kemp MD
Sender: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mar 2, 2009 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Obama - User Fees
Time to build a private strip.
Viperdoc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Winkelmann
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Obama - User Fees
Well....the Obama budget replaces almost half of the FAAs funding with
"direct user fees: and removes excise taxes. I spoke with a pilot from
Germany at a CAP Check Pilot School this weekend. In Germany, they collect
$10 every time the wheels touch the ground. Don't land and they charge a
"handling fee." AOPA and EAA will be our vioce in this matter. If you
aren't a member, now is the time to be one.
Craig W.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232756#232756
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| Subject: | Obama - User Fees |
Keith,
Can you fit another 50 million on that Rock? Did you guys give into the
international ban on guns propogated by the UN? I know the Aussies did.
If so may have to stay here in the US and get ready for the next
Revolution.
Viperdoc
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith Pickford
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Obama - User Fees
Or shift to Ashburton New Zealand - No landing fees !! 1 hour to Wanaka
by Yak 52 - Buy your own hangar for US$15,000. Double your US dollars
when you change to NZ dollars.
You can fly the full length of the country with no restrictions as long
as you have a 406 ELB and transponder. Its not too bad here.
Regards
Keith
Yak 52 - ZK JPW
--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Roger Kemp MD <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
From: Roger Kemp MD <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Obama - User Fees
Received: Tuesday, 3 March, 2009, 6:39 AM
<viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Time to build a private strip.
Viperdoc
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Winkelmann
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Obama - User Fees
<capav8r@gmail.com>
Well....the Obama budget replaces almost half of the FAAs funding with
"direct user fees: and removes excise taxes. I spoke with a pilot from
Germany at a CAP Check Pilot School this weekend. In Germany, they
collect
$10 every time the wheels touch the ground. Don't land and they charge
a
"handling fee." AOPA and EAA will be our vioce in this matter. If
you
aren't a member, now is the time to be one.
Craig W.
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Gents,
Please except my apologies for the confusion regarding ARS 2009 dates. We
have all websites up to date, and registration is up and running for May 27th
- 31st. See the links below. Postal's overseas trip was canceled, and mine
delayed, so your ARS planning team is at full force, with Bomber, Animal, and
Sparky in attendance. All the exciting and challenging events will remain this
year, with slight administrative changes in an attempt to make the cost/fun
ratio even better. We are working on a poolside BBQ and a banquet dinner at a
restaurant. I hope to see all the familiar faces this year. If you haven't
attended ARS, come on out. You will be glad you did!
http://flyredstar.org/nli/events/index.php
http://www.allredstar.com/index.html (Still setting up)
For questions regarding the event, please feel free to call my cell or email me
at btucke73@yahoo.com.
VR/
Brandon "GED" Tucker
(760)586-5757
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