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1. 05:52 AM - Re: Oil filter (keithmckinley)
2. 07:50 AM - CJ Tow Bar (Jeff Linebaugh)
3. 11:36 AM - Re: CJ Tow Bar (KingCJ6@aol.com)
4. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Oil filter (Yak Pilot)
5. 12:57 PM - Re: Re: Oil filter (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 01:02 PM - Re: CJ Tow Bar (ByronMFox@aol.com)
7. 02:11 PM - Re: Oil filter (keithmckinley)
8. 04:09 PM - Re: CJ Tow Bar (Terry Calloway)
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I just stated the fact of my failure. I wasn't impugning the set up you sell. You
or anyone can take it for what it's worth or not.
Maybe my ground operations were the cause maybe not. But if you really want to
call a spade a spade you shouldn't be putting a hydraulic filter made for a damn
log splitter on an airplane.
Fire away.
Keith
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KFIT
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Dave, Dave ;^) Tongue in cheek...Pipe thread, is pipe thread!
I did forget to mention that I used caps at the ends of the handle...that
way I could fill the towbar with Marvel Mystery Oil to prevent rust,
detonation, and lead deposits from building up inside (after taking a couple
of swigs for good health... ;^)
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@gmail.com
Time: 06:04:30 PM PST US
From: KingCJ6@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Towbar
Jeff - knowing your attention to detail & authenticity, were you able to
find suitable metric threaded pipe for this unique item, or did you simply
settle for standard U.S. threads?
Dave
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Good to know! I assume you wear a flight suit while hand-tugging with this
"marvelous" unit & that there are acceptable levels of ambiant CO present.
Have you experienced uneven oil-feed from one side of the handle?
Dave
In a message dated 3/8/2009 7:51:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jefflinebaugh@gmail.com writes:
Dave, Dave ;^) Tongue in cheek...Pipe thread, is pipe thread!
I did forget to mention that I used caps at the ends of the handle...that
way I could fill the towbar with Marvel Mystery Oil to prevent rust,
detonation, and lead deposits from building up inside (after taking a couple of
swigs
for good health... ;^)
Jeff Linebaugh
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Time: 06:04:30 PM PST US
From: _KingCJ6@aol.com_ (mailto:KingCJ6@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Towbar
Jeff - knowing your attention to detail & authenticity, were you able to
find suitable metric threaded pipe for this unique item, or did you simply
settle for standard U.S. threads?
Dave
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Keith I don't have a dog in this fight... I don't sell filters, and in fact
my engine is completely stock in this regard.- So hey... I don't know be
ans about which filter anyone should use and I am sure your experiences usi
ng them is worthwhile telling people about. =0A=0AYour first posting mentio
ned increasing engine RPM to taxi the aircraft, 2 minutes after starting on
a 25 degree day with an oil tank and sump pre-heater operating about 2 hou
rs first.- My response is simple.- Calling a spade a spade: I don't thi
nk that is anywhere near enough time to warm up an engine under these condi
tions and anyone doing what you did is going to subject the engine to extre
me stress as evidenced by the fact that OIL COOLERS HAVE BLOWN UP UNDER THE
SAME CIRCUMSTANCES.- -=0A=0AIf you or anyone else reading this wants t
o ignore my opinion in this matter, that is up to them.- I really could c
are less.- =0A=0AMark Bitterlich- =0AN50YK=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A___________
_____________________=0AFrom: keithmckinley <keith.mckinley@townisp.com>=0A
inley" <keith.mckinley@townisp.com>=0A=0AI just stated the fact of my failu
re. I wasn't impugning the set up you sell. You or anyone can take it for w
hat it's worth or not.=0A=0AMaybe my ground operations were the cause maybe
not. But if you really want to call a spade a spade you shouldn't be putti
ng a hydraulic filter made for a damn log splitter on an airplane.=0A=0AFir
e away.=0A=0AKeith=0A=0A--------=0AKeith McKinley=0A700 HS=0AKFIT=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtop
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I'll put in my 2 cent worth.
I've used a Marion S10 filter on my M-14p for all of its 1,500 hours. I
believe its been a major (if not the major) component along with the pre-oiler,
that has kept my running pretty damn well. Compressions still in the low
70's as of last annual. This filter though not an "approved" aviation filter
looks just a beefy on the inside as the approved ones I've cut open. I like
the fact that I can cut out the paper filter accordion, lay it out to drain
than check it for metal. Being a 10 micron filter I'm real confident its doing
its job. It's price allows me to change it more often which is an incentive
to anyone under BO's plans.
Now being a Florida boy, I have no need for pre-heat. BUT I've some
experience with the problem BUT never in the extremes. Quite regularly on the
B-24,
after starting (away from sunshine of FL) we warm up at a max of 1,000 rpm
until the temp is a "STEADY" 40C or better. The reason is we'll see the oil
temp rise after start to above 40C and than maybe 2 minutes later, drop
significantly cold again. Reason? The cold oil back in the cooler hit the sensor
on the way into the engine. It is usually close to 5 minutes or more before
we can exceed 1,000 rpms for taxi.
Oil dilution system was (I was told) "invented" by the Poles at the
beginning of WW2. The Germans supposedly picked it up from them, and the allies
followed suit. It is not meant to be a long term procedure for cold weather.
You add enough fuel from one of your fuel tanks, to keep the oil thinned out
for the length of time you will have the engine shut down. That is why that
switch is spring loaded OFF. There were tables that told the crew how long
(seconds or minutes) to hold the switch open for the length of time the engine
was to be shut down. I never saw a table go beyond 24 hours. And once you
used the system you were restricted on how soon you could start the engine
again. I hope my memory is still good!!
My CJ showed up from China with a little blank on the oil cooler, oil tank,
and oil sump. It of course had an oil dilution system. ( With the change to
the M-14p, I removed the oil dilution system. I now use the valve for the
smoke system and the switch for the pre-oiler). I do not and never have used
multi grade oil. I go from using 50 (100w) in the winter to 60 (120W). I
just do not envision myself flying my CJ in really cold climates. IF I did, I
would put on a restriction plate on the oil cooler inlet. Also I'd put a
electric preheat blank -not only on the oil tank - but the cooler as well. I'd
most likely go to a multi grade oil too.
We'll heard of the stories of the Alaska bush pilots, who in the winter,
would drain their oil while still warm from their engines and take it into their
beds with them. The next day, they'd cook it over a fire, and pour into
their engine when ready to start. (Some still do that I'm told.) Anyway
extreme temps require extreme measures to able to operate. And when you look
at
the cost of these pre-heat systems over what it might cost in fixing problems
caused by the oil being to cold. That might be the "cheap answer"
In a message dated 3/8/2009 2:40:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
yakplt@yahoo.com writes:
Keith I don't have a dog in this fight... I don't sell filters, and in fact
my engine is completely stock in this regard. So hey... I don't know beans
about which filter anyone should use and I am sure your experiences using them
is worthwhile telling people about.
Your first posting mentioned increasing engine RPM to taxi the aircraft, 2
minutes after starting on a 25 degree day with an oil tank and sump pre-heater
operating about 2 hours first. My response is simple. Calling a spade a
spade: I don't think that is anywhere near enough time to warm up an engine
under these conditions and anyone doing what you did is going to subject the
engine to extreme stress as evidenced by the fact that OIL COOLERS HAVE BLOWN
UP
UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES.
If you or anyone else reading this wants to ignore my opinion in this
matter, that is up to them. I really could care less.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
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From: keithmckinley <keith.mckinley@townisp.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:50:52 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Oil filter
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I just stated the fact of my failure. I wasn't impugning the set up you
sell. You or anyone can take it for what it's worth or not.
Maybe my ground operations were the cause maybe not. But if you really want
to call a spade a spade you shouldn't be putting a hydraulic filter made for
a damn log splitter on an airplane.
Fire away.
Keith
--------
Keith McKinley
700 HS
KFIT
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My only concern with filling the handle with MMO, Dave & Jeff, is the
potential for sparking when the handle is inserted into the nose wheel hub.
Therefore, wisdom dictates wearing Nomex gloves and a helmet with the visor down
in
addition to your Nomex flight suit. ...Blitz
In a message dated 3/8/2009 11:36:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
KingCJ6@aol.com writes:
Good to know! I assume you wear a flight suit while hand-tugging with this
"marvelous" unit & that there are acceptable levels of ambiant CO present.
Have you experienced uneven oil-feed from one side of the handle?
Dave
In a message dated 3/8/2009 7:51:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jefflinebaugh@gmail.com writes:
Dave, Dave ;^) Tongue in cheek...Pipe thread, is pipe thread!
I did forget to mention that I used caps at the ends of the handle...that
way I could fill the towbar with Marvel Mystery Oil to prevent rust,
detonation, and lead deposits from building up inside (after taking a couple of
swigs
for good health... ;^)
Jeff Linebaugh
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Time: 06:04:30 PM PST US
From: _KingCJ6@aol.com_ (mailto:KingCJ6@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Towbar
Jeff - knowing your attention to detail & authenticity, were you able to
find suitable metric threaded pipe for this unique item, or did you simply
settle for standard U.S. threads?
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Mark,
I agree, that's why I posted the details as best I could remember. Hell other than
my 75 hours of round engine time coutesy of the Navy and my 100 hours in a
C-152 I'm a jet guy learning about this piston stuff more and more every day.
btw, I own a log splitter too.
Keith
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KFIT
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Air show pilots use smoke oil in place of MMO.
Pumper
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On Mar 8, 2009, at 3:01 PM, ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
> My only concern with filling the handle with MMO, Dave & Jeff, is
> the potential for sparking when the handle is inserted into the nose
> wheel hub. Therefore, wisdom dictates wearing Nomex gloves and a
> helmet with the visor down in addition to your Nomex flight
> suit. ...Blitz
>
> In a message dated 3/8/2009 11:36:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, KingCJ6@aol.com
> writes:
> Good to know! I assume you wear a flight suit while hand-tugging
> with this "marvelous" unit & that there are acceptable levels of
> ambiant CO present. Have you experienced uneven oil-feed from one
> side of the handle?
>
> Dave
>
> In a message dated 3/8/2009 7:51:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jefflinebaugh@gmail.com
> writes:
> Dave, Dave ;^) Tongue in cheek...Pipe thread, is pipe thread!
>
> I did forget to mention that I used caps at the ends of the
> handle...that way I could fill the towbar with Marvel Mystery Oil to
> prevent rust, detonation, and lead deposits from building up inside
> (after taking a couple of swigs for good health... ;^)
>
> Jeff Linebaugh
> jefflinebaugh@gmail.com
> Time: 06:04:30 PM PST US
> From: KingCJ6@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Towbar
> Jeff - knowing your attention to detail & authenticity, were you
> able to
> find suitable metric threaded pipe for this unique item, or did you
> simply
> settle for standard U.S. threads?
> Dave
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