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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone purchased Yak parts from this supplier before |
You can ask Mr.Gary Crane for details of deals with us.
He just received spare part for Yak purchase from us.
yak18t@comcast.net
Telephone: 253-973-7064
Gig Harbor Wash. ,Washington ,USA
with respect,
Thank you.
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| Subject: | Re: Balkan Radio |
Already sold my Baklan20.
If need it will ask for other my friends nearly.
Give note by email only.
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| Subject: | Re: Has anyone purchased Yak parts from this supplier before |
well said
I will ask also...
How many people you know and have in Bulgaria that was really trade with you?
Are you will share contacts ...
Sure that for 20 years you have some bad deals when you say that in your explanation.
And I know that all of your letter is true because I am listening also for many
terrible traders from east former block.
But Not for all.
Only again to say that I am believe in your letter.
Can you believe me,
If not you can ask :
You can ask Mr.Gary Crane for details of deals with us.
He just received spare part for Yak purchase from us.
yak18t@comcast.net
Telephone: 253-973-7064
Gig Harbor Wash. ,Washington ,USA
If not you can ask :
Mr.George Coy and his son.
They are very familiar with Yak's and M14 engines.
www.gesoco.com
Mr.George Coy buy from us ,aircrafts and spare parts.
with respect,
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Propping |
In addition, I would like to pass following story. When I and a friend of
mine who owned a Yak 52 for a couple of weeks wanted to fly the airplane
back from the maintenance facility, he was not able to restart the engine
after taxiing to the fuel station for refueling. After several attempts
there was no pressure left to move the prop. Went back to the hangar and
asked the russian engineer for an air bottle. He smiled and said he didn't
need air to start the M14P. ?!?!? With me (almost no yak experience at that
time) in the backseat he primed the cylinders quite a bit again, pulled the
blades through, carefully put a blade in the two-o-clock position, jumped
in the front seat again, primed the carb (I think) and when doing that, the
engine suddenly started. No pop. No hiss. Only another big smile from the
front seat.
Changed pilots, waited for some airpressure for safe taxiing and off we
went. Sadly, we never saw this man back to ask how he exactly did it.
As you could expect I did some research afterwards and found that the
excellent starting of this engine is due to the shower of sparks ignition
which ignites the mixture some degrees AFTER TDC. If you look at the angle
between the two points of the rotor and compare it to the fixed pre-ignition
timing you might guess that sparking starts at +- 5 and ends at 20 after
TDC. I've been told that this timing is very important for smooth and
predictable engine starting.
With this knowledge in mind I think you can safely handprop this engine,
particularly because there is absolutely no chance of a kickback if you keep
off the mag switch.
I hope I will never have to handprop, but in case there is no choice I would
do it as follows :
(First of all : good briefing with the guy on the start knob with emphasis
on NOT NOT NOT touching the mag switch until well clear of the prop).
1) place wheelchocks
2) close the main air valve and be sure there is absolutely no pressure left
to feed the start valve (i.e.activating
brakes or flaps).
3) pull the blades (normal priming procedures) and try to position a piston
just after TDC. By some way this
must be possible as described above, but maybe only for russians :-)
4) the pilot advises when ready to push the start button. You keep well
behind the prop. So he pushes the knob and
when lucky, the engine will start. If not, he keeps pushing to activate
the shower-of-sparks. Before putting
your hand(s) on the prop blade, be aware that the point of the rotor
might be a fraction of a milimeter away
from the contact point in the distributor. So if an explosive mixture is
"waiting" in the cylinder, even a light touch
of a finger might ignite this mixture and start the engine. This means
that you might experience no resistance at
all and maybe falling into the prop travel. But most important : the
most dangerous thing - kickback - won't happen
5) having all this in mind : give it a whirl
6) if the engine fires the pilot still keeps pushing the start knob until
you are at the wingtip. Then and ONLY then
he flips the mag switch!
After looking the youtube movie on handpropping, I think I'd prefer the rope
technique :-)
Having a flat battery I would never ever imagine handpropping!!!
Any comment?
Grtz,
L. Buyse
Yak 52 RA-1428K
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:41 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Hand Propping
> <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
>
> Guys,
>
> First, a disclaimer. Hand propping is inherently dangerous and ANY
> attempt to start the engine in this manner could kill you. The following
> is not an endorsement or recommendation of any procedure. It is merely an
> observation after seeing many techniques tried.
>
> Walt is right...and I've seen it happen. No air but a perfect alignment
> for ignition and the engine springs to life when the start button is
> pushed. With just the wrong timing your hands (or worse) can be good
> material for the latest Ginsu commercial.
>
> Another technique that seems to lower the risk (again, do not attempt this
> at home) is to get the plane set up and stand clear of the prop while the
> start button is pushed. Once the "Bzzzzzzzzz" of the exciter is heard and
> the prop still dead, then walk up to it and give it a whirl.
>
> I've done the other way (the Russian Roulette technique) and just been
> plain lucky to not get hurt. Seeing the thing fire without air convinced
> me to never do it the old way again...and count my blessings that I didn't
> get a call from Ginsu.
>
>
> --
> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> office (909) 606-4444
> cell (949) 300-5510
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Propping |
I think the rope idea is brilliant. Also, you see a lot of guys standing in front
of the prop to hand prop it. Behind the prop would seem to be safer.
All that being said....a spare air bottle is the optimal solution. With a little
time you can actually hard plumb a spare bottle into your system. More useable
ballast.... 8)
Barry
Oh, and Yurgis is one of the few guys who doesn't conform to the "there are no
old, bold pilots" addage. That guy is amazing... He stopped into my hangar a
few years ago and left me a signed photo of him inverted with the vertical of
his Su26 about a foot off the water on a river. He's crazy...good, but crazy.
--------
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Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Propping |
Just to stir the pot.- =0A=0AI hand-prop the engine differently than most
anyone else.- I do not stand in front of the prop actually facing it on
anything other than maybe a J-3 Cub.-- Instead,- I pull the prop arou
nd until I can grab the blade standing sideways to the aircraft.- I reach
down, turn my hand towards the back of the aircraft, grabbing the end of t
he prop blade, with the blade at about the 7 O'Clock position for an M-14,
and about 5 O'Clock for anything that spins the other way, and then I move
my whole body back while pulling the blade UP.- This means that my natura
l motion is AWAY from the aircraft.- I can also use my whole body to LIFT
the prop up.- Be aware though, I am big... 6'6" plus and well over 280 p
ounds.- (smile).- However, I have used this method to start 300+ HP IO-
540's when no one else could.- I did not figure this method out.- I saw
a movie of a guy doing it in the 1940's.- Worked for him.- Works for m
e.- But it is not for everyone.- =0A=0AI take exception to ropes.- :-
)- Ropes have a habit of getting caught up in things.- Seems safe enoug
h but I just can see too many things going wrong with a rope.- In WW-II a
rope and a prop device was used to pull the engines through, but never for
starting that I know of.- Something goes wrong with a rope, and it happe
ns to get caught up in a whirling prop ... man oh man,- LOOK OUT.- Rope
s have been around a long time.- So have engines that need to be propped.
- If it has not been done before now, there probably is a reason why not.
- But, wheels always need to be re-invented and I am guilty of doing exac
tly that all the time.- =0A=0AYou want to try it.. have at it.-- Bott
om line... people who have propped engines for years tend to develop their
own methods... what works for me, probably won't work for everyone else.-
=0A=0AThe issue discussed of an engine starting just by pushing the start
switch is very apt and correct.- It would be smart to push that button on
ce before anyone lays a hand on the prop... and excuse me for not mentionin
g it explicitly.- =0A=0APropping an unknown engine without any prior expe
rience is just asking for it.-- That is exactly how I ended up with my
spare YAK-50.- Guy did exactl;y that (with no prior YAK experience) when
the thing ran out of air and it ended up crashing into a hangar.- Bad for
him, good for me.- =0A=0AMark Bitterlich=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A___________
_____________________=0AFrom: barryhancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:55:48 AM=0A
barryhancock" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>=0A=0AI think the rope idea i
s brilliant.- Also, you see a lot of guys standing in front of the prop t
o hand prop it.- Behind the prop would seem to be safer.- =0A=0AAll tha
t being said....a spare air bottle is the optimal solution.- With a littl
e time you can actually hard plumb a spare bottle into your system.- More
useable ballast.... 8)=0A=0ABarry- =0A=0AOh, and Yurgis is one of the fe
w guys who doesn't conform to the "there are no old, bold pilots" addage.
- That guy is amazing... He stopped into my hangar a few years ago and le
ft me a signed photo of him inverted with the vertical of his Su26 about a
foot off the water on a river.- He's crazy...good, but crazy.=0A=0A------
--=0ABarry Hancock=0AWorldwide Warbirds, Inc.=0Awww.worldwidewarbirds.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Propping |
Well I'm out with the B-24 in TPL, TX. Its raining out side, vis is down to
1 1/2. Its getting better. At least the wind has dropped below 30kts.
I have prop M-14 and HS6A a bunch of times. A number of "ways" of doing it
have already been mentioned here but 2 precautions have not.
One: Footing is very important. Ice is obvious but so would be loose
gravel, oil on black top, etc.
Two: Age. Us older guys have to start considering the physiological aspect
of our bodies. Old pilots need to be less bolder as we progress on ward. :?
I prop a gentlemen's Cub the other day, without any thought. But to prop a
M14/HS6A takes care and careful thought. BTW as a co-pilot my captain and I
once propped a DC-3 engine with a rope and a jeep. We had sheared a starter
shaft on the last flight of the day, leaving Freeport. The skipper had flown
C-47 over the Hump. He found a rope and jeep, wrapped the rope around the
prop hub several times so that it would not slip, and took off in the jeep.
My instructions were to hit the mags to "both" when the rope came clear.
Worked like a charm.
There was also a sleeve and bungee method, which if I'm right was a regular
alternate way to prop big engines if needed. I bet it would work for us too.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 3/24/2009 1:35:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
yakplt@yahoo.com writes:
Just to stir the pot.
I hand-prop the engine differently than most anyone else. I do not stand in
front of the prop actually facing it on anything other than maybe a J-3 Cub.
Instead, I pull the prop around until I can grab the blade standing
sideways to the aircraft. I reach down, turn my hand towards the back of the
aircraft, grabbing the end of the prop blade, with the blade at about the 7
O'Clock position for an M-14, and about 5 O'Clock for anything that spins the
other way, and then I move my whole body back while pulling the blade UP. This
means that my natural motion is AWAY from the aircraft. I can also use my
whole body to LIFT the prop up. Be aware though, I am big... 6'6" plus and well
over 280 pounds. (smile). However, I have used this method to start 300+
HP IO-540's when no one else could. I did not figure this method out. I saw
a movie of a guy doing it in the 1940's. Worked for him. Works for me.
But it is not for everyone.
I take exception to ropes. :-) Ropes have a habit of getting caught up in
things. Seems safe enough but I just can see too many things going wrong
with a rope. In WW-II a rope and a prop device was used to pull the engines
through, but never for starting that I know of. Something goes wrong with a
rope, and it happens to get caught up in a whirling prop ... man oh man, LOOK
OUT. Ropes have been around a long time. So have engines that need to be
propped. If it has not been done before now, there probably is a reason why
not. But, wheels always need to be re-invented and I am guilty of doing exactly
that all the time.
You want to try it.. have at it. Bottom line... people who have propped
engines for years tend to develop their own methods... what works for me,
probably won't work for everyone else.
The issue discussed of an engine starting just by pushing the start switch
is very apt and correct. It would be smart to push that button once before
anyone lays a hand on the prop... and excuse me for not mentioning it
explicitly.
Propping an unknown engine without any prior experience is just asking for
it. That is exactly how I ended up with my spare YAK-50. Guy did exactl;y
that (with no prior YAK experience) when the thing ran out of air and it ended
up crashing into a hangar. Bad for him, good for me.
Mark Bitterlich
____________________________________
From: barryhancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:55:48 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Hand Propping
<_bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com_ (mailto:bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com) >
I think the rope idea is brilliant. Also, you see a lot of guys standing
in front of the prop to hand prop it. Behind the prop would seem to be safer.
All that being said....a spare air bottle is the optimal solution. With a
little time you can actually hard plumb a spare bottle into your system. More
useable ballast.... 8)
Barry
Oh, and Yurgis is one of the few guys who doesn't conform to the "there are
no old, bold pilots" addage. That guy is amazing... He stopped into my
hangar a few years ago and left me a signed photo of him inverted with the
vertical of his Su26 about a foot off the water on a river. He's crazy...good,
but
crazy.
--------
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
_www.worldwidewarbirds.com_ (http://www.worldwidewarbirds.com/)
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| Subject: | Nanchang Oil Scavenge Pump |
Hi All
I'm in the process of trying to get my Nanchang flying. The latest problem is the
oil isn't getting back to the header tank. My mechanic is thinking there is
a problem with the scavenge pump but he is not familiar with the Housai engine
and is hoping not to start pulling it to pieces if possible. If anyone has any
info or advice it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Mark Norman
West Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Propping |
Pappy, I believe you.- But I gotta tell you, bungees, ropes or ???- Hey
, whatever works for you! - Rog on the safety issues.- =0A=0AListen, th
is guy told me this story and I am wondering if anyone has heard of anythin
g like this.- He claims that he once had a guy pull in front of him and r
un his engine up to just about full power and the PROP BLAST from the airpl
ane in front started the aircraft he was in behind it!- =0A=0AI have actu
ally seen this method work with two C-130's (called a "buddy start").- I
have also been in a C-130 at Wake Island that rolled down the runway on thr
ee engines and air-started the forth on take-off.- Made me nervous, (we w
ere at Gross Weight), but hey... it worked.- I have even read of this met
hod (buddy start) being- used in the early days of jet aircraft!- But w
ith something like a Cessna 180 ??- He says he did it.- =0A=0AI wonder
if it would actually work on say a YAK-52?-- I think I'll let someone e
lse test it.. but it certainly sounds good in theory... rocks and flying de
bris aside that is.- =0A=0AMark Bitterlich=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A__________
______________________=0AFrom: "cjpilot710@aol.com" <cjpilot710@aol.com>=0A
ject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Hand Propping=0A=0AWell I'm out with the B-24 in TP
L, TX.- Its raining out side, vis is down to 1 1/2.- Its getting better
.- At least the wind has dropped below 30kts.=0A=0AI have prop M-14 and H
S6A a bunch of times.- A number of "ways" of doing it have already been m
entioned here but 2 precautions have not.=0A=0AOne:- Footing is very impo
rtant.- Ice is obvious but so would be loose gravel, oil on black top, et
c.- =0A=0ATwo:- Age.- Us older guys have to start considering the phy
siological aspect of our bodies.- Old pilots need to be less bolder as-
we progress on ward. :?=0A=0AI prop a gentlemen's Cub the other day, withou
t any thought.- But to prop a M14/HS6A-takes care and careful thought.
- BTW as a co-pilot my captain and I once propped a DC-3 engine with a ro
pe and a jeep.- We had sheared a starter shaft on the last flight of the
day, leaving Freeport.- The skipper had flown C-47 over the Hump.- He f
ound a rope and jeep, wrapped the rope around the prop hub several times so
that it would not slip, and took off in the jeep.- My instructions were
to hit the mags to "both" when the rope came clear.- Worked like a charm.
=0A=0AThere was also a sleeve-and bungee method, which if I'm right was a
regular alternate way to prop big engines if needed.- I bet it would wor
k for us too.=0A=0AJim "Pappy" Goolsby=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated 3/24/2009
1:35:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yakplt@yahoo.com writes:=0AJust to sti
r the pot.- =0A=0AI hand-prop the engine differently than most anyone els
e.- I do not stand in front of the prop actually facing it on anything ot
her than maybe a J-3 Cub.-- Instead,- I pull the prop around until I
can grab the blade standing sideways to the aircraft.- I reach down, turn
my hand towards the back of the aircraft, grabbing the end of the prop bla
de, with the blade at about the 7 O'Clock position for an M-14, and about 5
O'Clock for anything that spins the other way, and then I move my whole bo
dy back while pulling the blade UP.- This means that my natural motion is
AWAY from the aircraft.- I can also use my whole body to LIFT the prop u
p.- Be aware though, I am big... 6'6" plus and well over 280 pounds.- (
smile).- However, I have used this method to start 300+ HP IO-540's when
no one else could.- I did not figure this method out.- I saw a movie of
a guy doing it in the 1940's.- Worked for him.- Works for me.- But i
t is not for everyone.- =0A=0AI take exception to ropes.- :-)- Ropes
have a habit of getting caught up in things.- Seems safe enough but I jus
t can see too many things going wrong with a rope.- In WW-II a rope and a
prop device was used to pull the engines through, but never for starting t
hat I know of.- Something goes wrong with a rope, and it happens to get c
aught up in a whirling prop ... man oh man,- LOOK OUT.- Ropes have been
around a long time.- So have engines that need to be propped.- If it h
as not been done before now, there probably is a reason why not.- But, wh
eels always need to be re-invented and I am guilty of doing exactly that al
l the time.- =0A=0AYou want to try it.. have at it.-- Bottom line...
people who have propped engines for years tend to develop their own methods
... what works for me, probably won't work for everyone else.- =0A=0AThe
issue discussed of an engine starting just by pushing the start switch is v
ery apt and correct.- It would be smart to push that button once before a
nyone lays a hand on the prop... and excuse me for not mentioning it explic
itly.- =0A=0APropping an unknown engine without any prior experience is j
ust asking for it.-- That is exactly how I ended up with my spare YAK-5
0.- Guy did exactl;y that (with no prior YAK experience) when the thing r
an out of air and it ended up crashing into a hangar.- Bad for him, good
for me.- =0A=0AMark Bitterlich=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________
__________=0AFrom: barryhancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>=0ATo: yak-
list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:55:48 AM=0ASubject: Ya
k" <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>=0A=0AI think the rope idea is brilliant
.- Also, you see a lot of guys standing in front of the prop to hand prop
it.- Behind the prop would seem to be safer.- =0A=0AAll that being sai
d....a spare air bottle is the optimal solution.- With a little time you
can actually hard plumb a spare bottle into your system.- More useable ba
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang Oil Scavenge Pump |
Hi Mark
If you had your hoses rebuilt, make sure they are flow tested. It is very
easy to occlude the hose when the fitting is inserted because most people
don't have mandrells for these hoses and the rubber is softer than AN hoses
.The oil pump is very reliable in this engine. Been there.
Jim Griffin
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From: "mnwaust" <tam231@bigpond.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Nanchang Oil Scavenge Pump
>
> Hi All
>
> I'm in the process of trying to get my Nanchang flying. The latest problem
> is the oil isn't getting back to the header tank. My mechanic is thinking
> there is a problem with the scavenge pump but he is not familiar with the
> Housai engine and is hoping not to start pulling it to pieces if possible.
> If anyone has any info or advice it would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Mark Norman
> West Australia
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