---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/30/09: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:32 AM - AP Install (Barry Hancock) 2. 09:49 AM - Re: High tension insulated rod (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 3. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Baklan Radio Issue (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 4. 10:43 AM - Re: High tension insulated rod (doug sapp) 5. 11:38 AM - Re: High tension insulated rod (ronald wasson) 6. 11:41 AM - Can anyone please confirm? (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 7. 11:53 AM - Re: Can anyone please confirm? (Hans Oortman 1) 8. 11:53 AM - Jack Point threads (A. Dennis Savarese) 9. 12:11 PM - Re: Can anyone please confirm? (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 10. 01:27 PM - Yak 55M Spinner (Yak 55M) 11. 03:34 PM - Re: Oil consumption (Whiskey Victor) 12. 03:38 PM - Re: Yak 55M Spinner (mikspin) 13. 04:38 PM - Re: High tension insulated rod (Jim Selby) 14. 05:49 PM - Re: High tension insulated rod (Roger Kemp M.D.) 15. 05:51 PM - Metal cowling (HBaker) 16. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: Yak 55M Spinner (Yak 55M) 17. 07:59 PM - Re: Yak 55M Spinner (mikspin) 18. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Yak 55M Spinner (Kregg Victory) 19. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: Prop Governor (Walter Lannon) 20. 11:43 PM - Re: AP Install (cjpilot710@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:51 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: AP Install From: "Barry Hancock" Pappy, et. al., Regarding your post on AP pitch servo installation location we have determined that the best place is actually under the radio rack area or "baggage compartment" where you can mount the servo directly to support frames for the old radio, and more importantly attach the control arm directly to the bell crank. If you'd like pictures of an installation, just let me know.... -- Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:09 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: High tension insulated rod From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Doug Sapp has them. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:08 AM Subject: Yak-List: High tension insulated rod G'Day, Does anyone have any spare magneto high tension insulated rods for sale for M14P? This is the high tension lead the goes from the mag to the mag cap. We have one mag US due to the insulation breakdown. Have made a new lead with high tension wire, folded the wire over a small washer and soldered. Am yet to try it. If have part, please advise price and approx express post to Australia. Thanks and cheers, Chris ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:56 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Baklan Radio Issue From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Well done Rob. I would not have thought of that. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Rowe Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:39 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Baklan Radio Issue Hi Chris, Pleased that worked out for you ... it's satisfying when the occasional long shot pays off! Just take care that the missing adapter isn't still floating around in avionics bay somewhere, as that could really spoil your day if it works further aft. Cheers, Rob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241986#241986 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: High tension insulated rod From: doug sapp Thank's Mark but I just sent my last 3 HT rods to a customer in Belgium. I do have some inbound but we are looking at 30 days. I'll check to see if I can get some additional stock sent via Fed Ex. Doug On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > Doug Sapp has them. > > Mark Bitterlich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:08 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: High tension insulated rod > > G'Day, > > Does anyone have any spare magneto high tension insulated rods for sale for > M14P? > This is the high tension lead the goes from the mag to the mag cap. > > We have one mag US due to the insulation breakdown. Have made a new lead > with high tension wire, folded the wire over a small washer and soldered. > Am yet to try it. > > If have part, please advise price and approx express post to Australia. > > Thanks and cheers, > Chris > -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:57 AM PST US From: ronald wasson Subject: Re: Yak-List: High tension insulated rod I need one too doug ron wasson On Apr 30, 2009, at 12:40 PM, doug sapp wrote: > Thank's Mark but I just sent my last 3 HT rods to a customer in > Belgium. I do have some inbound but we are looking at 30 days. > I'll check to see if I can get some additional stock sent via Fed Ex. > > Doug > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry > Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > Doug Sapp has them. > > Mark Bitterlich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Chris Wise > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:08 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: High tension insulated rod > > G'Day, > > Does anyone have any spare magneto high tension insulated rods for > sale for M14P? > This is the high tension lead the goes from the mag to the mag cap. > > We have one mag US due to the insulation breakdown. Have made a new > lead with high tension wire, folded the wire over a small washer and > soldered. > Am yet to try it. > > If have part, please advise price and approx express post to > Australia. > > Thanks and cheers, > Chris > > > -- > Always Yakin, > Doug Sapp > Phone 509-826-4610 > Fax 509-826-3644 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:48 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Can anyone please confirm? From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Quick question to anyone who knows without a shadow of a doubt. YAK-50: Jack points: Female thread in wing. I know Volkswagon lugs fit them. I have been told they are 14 mm. I have never measured them myself and I need an answer for SURE. I don't own anything that can measure them accurately. Anyone? Thanks, Mark Bitterlich ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:12 AM PST US From: "Hans Oortman 1" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Can anyone please confirm? Mark, It is indeed 14 mmm. If you give me till tomorrow I can also confirm the exact size (metric) of the thread. I have made those myself on my lathe. Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Verzonden: donderdag 30 april 2009 20:42 Aan: yak-list@matronics.com Onderwerp: Yak-List: Can anyone please confirm? Quick question to anyone who knows without a shadow of a doubt. YAK-50: Jack points: Female thread in wing. I know Volkswagon lugs fit them. I have been told they are 14 mm. I have never measured them myself and I need an answer for SURE. I don't own anything that can measure them accurately. Anyone? Thanks, Mark Bitterlich ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:13 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Yak-List: Jack Point threads Mark, I will verify the size this afternoon and email you back. Last week I had to buy a 14 mm x 1.5 thread (I think) tap just for the same reason. I had the local machine shop measure the threads before I bought it. Look for my email this evening. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-2141 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: yakworld1 www.yak-52.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:07 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Can anyone please confirm? From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Hans, sadly I need to know today, or else I have to Next Day Air one up to another state where it can be checked and copied directly. Trying to save about $50 on next day air costs to ship up a stupid bolt! :-) Thanks so much for your reply! Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans Oortman 1 Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Can anyone please confirm? Mark, It is indeed 14 mmm. If you give me till tomorrow I can also confirm the exact size (metric) of the thread. I have made those myself on my lathe. Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Verzonden: donderdag 30 april 2009 20:42 Aan: yak-list@matronics.com Onderwerp: Yak-List: Can anyone please confirm? Quick question to anyone who knows without a shadow of a doubt. YAK-50: Jack points: Female thread in wing. I know Volkswagon lugs fit them. I have been told they are 14 mm. I have never measured them myself and I need an answer for SURE. I don't own anything that can measure them accurately. Anyone? Thanks, Mark Bitterlich ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:43 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Yak 55M Spinner From: Yak 55M Hi, I am seeking any information on a spinner for a Yak 55M. I currently have a spinner (an do not have gills) which needs to be replaced (crack in the bulkhead), but I don't know where this spinner originated from and it's not like the typical Yak 52 spinners I have seen. If anyone has a 55 with a spinner, can you provide any insight to what I can use to replace this spinner? Thanks, Anthony. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil consumption From: Whiskey Victor I'm seeing about 1/2 qt per hour or less.....depending on what kind of flying I am doing... -Bill On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Richard Goode wrote: > I my view,half quart/litre ph is verygood-I've not seen better;one quart > fine,and the the official limit that is acceptable to Vedenyeev is three > litres an hour!!! > Richard > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > Rhodds Farm > Lyonshall > Hereford > HR5 3LW > United Kingdom > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > www.russianaeros.com > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:29 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak 55M Spinner From: "mikspin" Anthony, Standard prop or MT? Large diameter (Crowder) spinner or more like the spinner sold by Termikas. Mike Hastings 55M Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242178#242178 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:36 PM PST US From: "Jim Selby" Subject: Re: Yak-List: High tension insulated rod Doug, I have them is Stock, I'll check in the morning just how many I have left. ----- Original Message ----- From: doug sapp To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: High tension insulated rod Thank's Mark but I just sent my last 3 HT rods to a customer in Belgium. I do have some inbound but we are looking at 30 days. I'll check to see if I can get some additional stock sent via Fed Ex. Doug On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: Doug Sapp has them. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:08 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: High tension insulated rod G'Day, Does anyone have any spare magneto high tension insulated rods for sale for M14P? This is the high tension lead the goes from the mag to the mag cap. We have one mag US due to the insulation breakdown. Have made a new lead with high tension wire, folded the wire over a small washer and soldered. Am yet to try it. If have part, please advise price and approx express post to Australia. Thanks and cheers, Chris -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:02 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: High tension insulated rod Jim, Do you have two extra ones. Had to build one of mine up with solder. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Selby Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: High tension insulated rod Doug, I have them is Stock, I'll check in the morning just how many I have left. ----- Original Message ----- From: doug sapp Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: High tension insulated rod Thank's Mark but I just sent my last 3 HT rods to a customer in Belgium. I do have some inbound but we are looking at 30 days. I'll check to see if I can get some additional stock sent via Fed Ex. Doug On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: Doug Sapp has them. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:08 AM Subject: Yak-List: High tension insulated rod G'Day, Does anyone have any spare magneto high tension insulated rods for sale for M14P? This is the high tension lead the goes from the mag to the mag cap. We have one mag US due to the insulation breakdown. Have made a new lead with high tension wire, folded the wire over a small washer and soldered. Am yet to try it. If have part, please advise price and approx express post to Australia. Thanks and cheers, Chris -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:42 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Metal cowling From: "HBaker" Can anyone tell me how a metal cowling mounts on the front of a M14 or maybe a pic or two Henry Moose 294 -------- Currently building a Murphy Moose - any help would be appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242206#242206 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak 55M Spinner From: Yak 55M Good question and sorry for not providing this before. I have the original 2-blade prop. Anthony On Thursday, April 30, 2009, mikspin wrote: > > Anthony, > > Standard prop or MT? Large diameter (Crowder) spinner or more like the spinner sold by Termikas. > > Mike Hastings > 55M > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242178#242178 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:25 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak 55M Spinner From: "mikspin" Sorry about the punctuation, is it a Crowder spinner or the smaller one like Termikas offers? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242231#242231 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:50 PM PST US From: "Kregg Victory" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak 55M Spinner I think Anthony has the Crowder spinner. It is the large one and for sure not a MT. Kregg Victory Aero LLC. 2502 John Montgomery Dr. San Jose, CA 95148 408-836-5122 Cell 408-729-7635 Office www.balancemyprop.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mikspin Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak 55M Spinner Sorry about the punctuation, is it a Crowder spinner or the smaller one like Termikas offers? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242231#242231 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:28 PM PST US From: Walter Lannon Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Prop Governor There appears to be some misconception regarding propellor and governor operation and possibly some questionable practices being carried out as a result. The prop. hub assy. (whether Chinese, Russian, Polish, etc.) are identical for operational considerations. They are all nominal 15 deg. hubs which guarantee a minimum available pitch range of 15degs. Both the Huosai and the M14P installations obtain a 15.5deg. range safely. Of course the blade angle settings for each are quite different. Obviously any change made to the fine pitch angle has made the same change to the coarse pitch angle. The specified angles for the M14P installation are 14.5 deg. +/_ 10 Min (fine) and 30.0 deg. +/_ 20 Min (coarse) with the maximum difference between blades not more than 10 Min. These angles have been determined by the aircraft & engine manufacturers as the best compromise between take-off, cruise performance and margins of safety in the event of pitch control failure or engine failure. The blade angle index mark set to "0" indicates the blades are set to the correct angle. However that cannot guarantee they are within tolerance limits. NOTE to Roman: I should have advised you to check this setting to determine if your blade angles are correctly set. The governor (more accurately the CSU or constant speed unit) consists of two units 1. a gear type oil pump that boosts engine oil pressure to approx 230psi for propellor operation and 2. a fly-weight governor that, with changing RPM, positions a pilot valve to control oil flow to and from the prop. pitch change unit. The CSU both provides and controls the motive power (oil pressure) for moving the blades toward fine pitch and CONTROLS the motive power (blade counterweight force) moving the blades toward coarse pitch. It does this by opening a single oil gallery from the prop. either to governor oil pressure or to drain. Therefore the propellor blade angle and engine RPM are directly controlled by the governor, in both directions, at the RPM selected by the pilot. There is one very important exception. That is when the RPM control is set to full minimum RPM. In this position the pilot valve is mechanically lifted and retained to fully open the propellor gallery to drain. The governor is out of the picture, the counterweights force the oil to drain and move the blades to coarse pitch. This function is called POSITIVE coarse pitch and directly relates to the safety considerations for the coarse pitch blade angle. In the event of engine failure you will want the blades at the highest possible angle to reduce drag. If the engine is windmilling it will get there much sooner if you go to positive coarse. In this case you want as coarse as possible - feathered would be nice! But, there is another failure mode to consider. Here is the scenario; You hear the engine RPM drop, the windshield is covered in oil and, if you took the time to look, the manifold pressure is up. But you don't have time to look. Your immediate action must be RPM control to positive coarse. The prop.pitch change unit has failed, governor oil pressure went to zero and the counterweights moved the blades to coarse. All the governor knows is that RPM has dropped and it senses an underspeed condition which it is trying desperately to correct by pumping all your engine oil overboard. Positive coarse pitch stops the bleeding and you still have an engine that may get you to a safe landing albeit at greatly reduced power. In this case you want a coarse pitch angle as FINE as possible to provide enough power without over boosting your engine. All the radial engines (using a single acting prop & governor) I am familiar with use a propellor coarse pitch setting that provides about 1400 RPM in the positive coarse position. The M14P is no exception if set up as the manufacturer intended.. Walt . ----- Original Message ----- From: nc69666@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Prop Governor Roman, Gary in Las Vegas, I have had the same problem with my CJ, I have a M14-P, So just last week I checked the blade angles, by looking at the index marks on the hub, my blades were set at "0" on the hub markings so I loosened the blade clamps and reset the blade angles to 2 index marks coarser giving me a higher blade angle. Your Governer is working just fine, as it controls the high RPM, which it is doing at 100%. The blade angles in the hub, and the counter weights is what controls the low RPM. When the blade angles are set too low of an angle in the hub, as the airspeed increases the counter weights will go to the high pitch stops trying to control the RPM, but when they reach the high pitch travel stops, then the propeller becomes in a sense a fixed pitch prop. and the RPM will increase as the airspeed increases. I am getting 100% 0n take off, and at 160 MPH indicated below 4500 ft, I can get it to 64%, Manifold pressure setting 735 MM. ; At around 7000ft. I can hold about 67%. I may set the angles ONE index coarser to see if I can get a bit slower RPM, but if you do, check the High Rpm on take off as I think that setting may be getting close to the limit for high pitch setting to still be able to get 100% on the off.. Good Luck with the settings.. Let me knw how it works out for you... Gary -----Original Message----- From: romanupshaw To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 9:27 am Subject: Yak-List: Re: Prop Governor Sorry... been away a couple days. Thanks for the feedback. I will try the suggestions. Mark, you do understand it correctly. And remember, it cycles fine on the ground. However, if I pull the throttle back to idle and really slow the speed down, the rpm will come back. To what I don't know. But in straight and level, pulling throttle back, it will not slow down UNTIL speed really bleeds off....like on landing. This goes along with what I meant with it acting like a fixed prop. Hope that's understandable. To answer your questions, pretty much all of them are "yes". I haven't touched the prop governor. I took the entire prop, hub and all, off and shipped it to Jill. I didn't personally replace the blades. The only thing I question is if I had a little of this prior to recently. It has never come back to a GOOD solid cruise setting but, again, I don't cruise much if ever. I know it used to come back to very low 60's. It is MUCH worse now though and is very evident ... even annoying. I agree with "where hands were last". That's why I wanted to seek advice before I went fooling around with the governor or elsewhere. I know that on takeoff the power is right on 100%. I don't have much room for "sightseeing" on my strip during takeoff but I know it doesn't go over 100%. I will fly this afternoon again and keep both at FULL forward in flight and reply back with an exact reading on that. Thanks to all who are offering suggestions!! Roman Upshaw Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241934#241934 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:42 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: AP Install In a message dated 4/30/2009 12:34:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com writes: By all means pass that on. Pappy --> Yak-List message posted by: "Barry Hancock" Pappy, et. al., Regarding your post on AP pitch servo installation location we have determined that the best place is actually under the radio rack area or "baggage compartment" where you can mount the servo directly to support frames for the old radio, and more importantly attach the control arm directly to the bell crank. If you'd like pictures of an installation, just let me know.... -- Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. office (909) 606-4444 cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! 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