---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/29/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:42 AM - Re: FAA Form (Craig Payne) 2. 04:59 AM - Re: Re: FAA Form (A. Dennis Savarese) 3. 08:25 AM - Fuel Odor in Cockpit (Craig Winkelmann) 4. 08:51 AM - Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit (jlpartington@att.net) 5. 09:41 AM - Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit (doug sapp) 6. 09:54 AM - Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit (A. Dennis Savarese) 7. 11:42 AM - Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit (talew@bellsouth.net) 8. 12:20 PM - Re: Fuel Odor in Cockpit (bill wade) 9. 07:10 PM - propeller paint (talew@bellsouth.net) 10. 08:35 PM - Re: propeller paint (Jim) 11. 09:21 PM - propeller paint Photos (Jim Selby) 12. 09:51 PM - Re: propeller paint Photos (Tom Elliott) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:15 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Yak-List: Re: FAA Form I believe that form is 8610, which is signed by the FSDO after they have reviewed your documentation of 2500 hrs *each* of supervised maintenance on engines and airframes. A certificate from an approved school also works. Then, you are allowed to take the oral, written and practical tests for an AMT, airframe and powerplant. In many FSDOs, I'm told that they no longer count homebuild time as it is not "maintenance". Anyone know more about what is current practice? Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:46 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: FAA Form That's correct, the form is an 8610-2. This must be filled out in duplicate. The recommendation letter, typically written by the A&P who is making the recommendation to the FSDO, should include a statement, ".........meets the requirements of FAR 65.77(b) for airframe and powerplant work experience." Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: yak-list Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:29 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: FAA Form I believe that form is 8610, which is signed by the FSDO after they have reviewed your documentation of 2500 hrs *each* of supervised maintenance on engines and airframes. A certificate from an approved school also works. Then, you are allowed to take the oral, written and practical tests for an AMT, airframe and powerplant. In many FSDOs, I'm told that they no longer count homebuild time as it is not "maintenance". Anyone know more about what is current practice? Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:35 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Fuel Odor in Cockpit From: "Craig Winkelmann" I am new to owning a CJ. The plane has a very strong fuel odor in the cockpit. It is not present after the plane has been sitting in the hangar even with the canopy closed. I've opened the access door for the header tank on the belly and it is dry. Not weeping from the wings that I can see either. The smell becomes noticeable after engine start and does not go away. So I have been suspect of something forward of the firewall but find nothing leaking there either. Any ideas are welcome as to where to look. Thanks, Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250590#250590 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:52 AM PST US From: jlpartington@att.net Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Odor in Cockpit ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Odor in Cockpit From: doug sapp Check to make sure that the fittings at the primer are secure. Also check to make sure that the wobble pump is not leaking. To check both of these items remove the right hand kick panel in the front pit. The wobble pump may be leaking fuel when you pump up pressure on start up, same with the primer. Let me know what you find. Always Yakin, doug On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Craig Winkelmann wrote: > > I am new to owning a CJ. The plane has a very strong fuel odor in the > cockpit. It is not present after the plane has been sitting in the hangar > even with the canopy closed. I've opened the access door for the header > tank on the belly and it is dry. Not weeping from the wings that I can see > either. The smell becomes noticeable after engine start and does not go > away. So I have been suspect of something forward of the firewall but find > nothing leaking there either. > > Any ideas are welcome as to where to look. > > Thanks, > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250590#250590 > > -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:06 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Odor in Cockpit Craig, Have you looked at the fuel pressure senders which are located on the back side of the firewall on the right? Remove the large inspection panel on the right and look on the back side of the firewall, down low toward the bottom-right and forward of the false firewall. They should be painted yellow in the center. Sounds like it pressure related. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Winkelmann To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Yak-List: Fuel Odor in Cockpit I am new to owning a CJ. The plane has a very strong fuel odor in the cockpit. It is not present after the plane has been sitting in the hangar even with the canopy closed. I've opened the access door for the header tank on the belly and it is dry. Not weeping from the wings that I can see either. The smell becomes noticeable after engine start and does not go away. So I have been suspect of something forward of the firewall but find nothing leaking there either. Any ideas are welcome as to where to look. Thanks, Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250590#250590 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:37 AM PST US From: talew@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Odor in Cockpit Craig, I would start with the primer. Terry -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Craig Winkelmann" > > I am new to owning a CJ. The plane has a very strong fuel odor in the cockpit. It is not present after the plane has been sitting in the hangar even with the canopy closed. I've opened the access door for the header tank on the belly and it is dry. Not weeping from the wings that I can see either. The smell becomes noticeable after engine start and does not go away. So I have been suspect of > something forward of the firewall but find nothing leaking there either. > > Any ideas are welcome as to where to look. > > Thanks, > > Craig > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250590#250590 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:05 PM PST US From: bill wade Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Odor in Cockpit Also check your fuel lines by hand shortly after having pressure in them, I fly a Yak and Russian rubber sucks had a small primer fuel line leak - wee p about three inches from the fitting=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________ _________=0AFrom: Craig Winkelmann =0ATo: yak-list@matro nics.com=0ASent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:22:48 AM=0ASubject: Yak-List: Fue capav8r@gmail.com>=0A=0AI am new to owning a CJ.- The plane has a very st rong fuel odor in the cockpit.- It is not present after the plane has bee n sitting in the hangar even with the canopy closed.- I've opened the acc ess door for the header tank on the belly and it is dry.- Not weeping fro m the wings that I can see either.- The smell becomes noticeable after en gine start and does not go away.- So I have been suspect of something for ward of the firewall but find nothing leaking there either.=0A=0AAny ideas are welcome as to where to look.=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0ACraig=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p =========================0A =========================0A =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:01 PM PST US From: talew@bellsouth.net Subject: Yak-List: propeller paint Hi All, I am going to install new propeller blades on my CJ and would like recommendations on the type of paint and primer you find most suitable for an aluminum propeller. All comments are appreciated. Thanks, Terry Lewis ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:10 PM PST US From: "Jim" Subject: Re: Yak-List: propeller paint I used a etching primer on the bare alum,after I had stripped it of Paint, than bought a Two Part Auto paint and spayed it, it came out real well. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Yak-List: propeller paint > > > Hi All, > I am going to install new propeller blades on my CJ and would like > recommendations on the type of paint and primer you find most suitable > for an aluminum propeller. > All comments are appreciated. > Thanks, > Terry Lewis > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:41 PM PST US From: "Jim Selby" Subject: Yak-List: propeller paint Photos > > I used a etching primer on the bare alum,after I had stripped it of Paint, > than bought a Two Part Auto paint and spayed it, it came out real well. > Jim ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:15 PM PST US From: "Tom Elliott" Subject: RE: Yak-List: propeller paint Photos Very nice Jim, American propeller will be jealous. Tom Elliott CJ-6A NX63727 702-595-2680 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Selby Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Yak-List: propeller paint Photos > > I used a etching primer on the bare alum,after I had stripped it of > Paint, than bought a Two Part Auto paint and spayed it, it came out real well. > Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.