---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/26/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:47 AM - Re: Front prop shaft seal (cjpilot710@aol.com) 2. 05:48 AM - Re: Front prop shaft seal (cjpilot710@aol.com) 3. 06:33 AM - Re: Front prop shaft seal (A. Dennis Savarese) 4. 06:33 AM - Re: Front prop shaft seal (A. Dennis Savarese) 5. 11:43 AM - Re: Front prop shaft seal (Walter Lannon) 6. 11:59 AM - Number on Nose (kalunde) 7. 01:17 PM - Re: Number on Nose (talew@bellsouth.net) 8. 01:18 PM - Re: Number on Nose (doug sapp) 9. 02:08 PM - Re: Number on Nose (Walter Lannon) 10. 02:16 PM - Re: Number on Nose (Roger Kemp M.D.) 11. 02:18 PM - Re: Number on Nose (Roger Kemp M.D.) 12. 06:20 PM - Prop Shaft seal (Chris Wise) 13. 08:25 PM - Re: Prop Shaft seal (Roger Kemp M.D.) 14. 09:18 PM - Re: Prop Shaft seal (Chris Wise) 15. 09:22 PM - Maximum structural cruise (Warren Hill) 16. 09:24 PM - Re: CJ-6A tool kit (Warren Hill) 17. 09:54 PM - Re: Prop Shaft seal (Roger Kemp M.D.) 18. 09:54 PM - Re: CJ-6A tool kit (Roger Kemp M.D.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:06 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Front prop shaft seal That seal is sort of like a V shape. Make sure you put it in correctly OR she'll hemorrhage worse than before. Also, its good idea to take a very fine emery cloth and remove any scratches or sharp edges on sides that the piston rides in. It is surprising to me that they show up there but its common and usually the cause of a lot of leaks. Should take you :30 to :45 minutes to do. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 7/25/2009 5:43:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wise@txc.net.au writes: G'Day, The prop shaft front seal my friends Yak 18T has decided to have a hemorrhage and is leaking like a sieve. We are about to remove the front section and replace the seal. Have any of you done this seal replacement and if so, are there any intricate snags that we should be aware of? Any advice before we start this job would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and cheers, Chris. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! yExcfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:23 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Front prop shaft seal Oooooops. I thinks I was talking about the wrong problem! Me thinks I was talking about the prop seal. Disregard last post. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 7/25/2009 5:43:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wise@txc.net.au writes: G'Day, The prop shaft front seal my friends Yak 18T has decided to have a hemorrhage and is leaking like a sieve. We are about to remove the front section and replace the seal. Have any of you done this seal replacement and if so, are there any intricate snags that we should be aware of? Any advice before we start this job would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and cheers, Chris. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! yExcfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:07 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Front prop shaft seal Pappy, I believe he was asking about the prop SHAFT seal. Not the prop hub piston/dome seal. That's definitely not a 30-45 minute job. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Front prop shaft seal That seal is sort of like a V shape. Make sure you put it in correctly OR she'll hemorrhage worse than before. Also, its good idea to take a very fine emery cloth and remove any scratches or sharp edges on sides that the piston rides in. It is surprising to me that they show up there but its common and usually the cause of a lot of leaks. Should take you :30 to :45 minutes to do. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 7/25/2009 5:43:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wise@txc.net.au writes: G'Day, The prop shaft front seal my friends Yak 18T has decided to have a hemorrhage and is leaking like a sieve. We are about to remove the front section and replace the seal. Have any of you done this seal replacement and if so, are there any intricate snags that we should be aware of? Any advice before we start this job would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and cheers, Chris. ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Yak-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- A00126575x1221323048x1201367271/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.c om/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:07 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Front prop shaft seal Copy that. Disregard my reply please Pappy. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Front prop shaft seal Oooooops. I thinks I was talking about the wrong problem! Me thinks I was talking about the prop seal. Disregard last post. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 7/25/2009 5:43:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wise@txc.net.au writes: G'Day, The prop shaft front seal my friends Yak 18T has decided to have a hemorrhage and is leaking like a sieve. We are about to remove the front section and replace the seal. Have any of you done this seal replacement and if so, are there any intricate snags that we should be aware of? Any advice before we start this job would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and cheers, Chris. ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Yak-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- A00126575x1221323048x1201367271/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.c om/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:20 AM PST US From: Walter Lannon Subject: Re: Yak-List: Front prop shaft seal Have you checked the M14P Manual. If you are describing a leak from the area of the engine front section (gearbox) immediately behind the propellor mounting flange it is possible that there is no seal to change. That would be the case with Pratt & Whitney engines that rely on a "slinger ring" to return thrust bearing lube oil to the crank case. Since I do not have the manual in front of me I don't know if that is the case with the M14P. If it is you may want to consider the possibility of a front case vent problem. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Wise To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: Yak-List: Front prop shaft seal G'Day, The prop shaft front seal my friends Yak 18T has decided to have a hemorrhage and is leaking like a sieve. We are about to remove the front section and replace the seal. Have any of you done this seal replacement and if so, are there any intricate snags that we should be aware of? Any advice before we start this job would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and cheers, Chris. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:13 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Number on Nose From: "kalunde" Ok, usually I am quiet and watch the emails go flying by, but I have to ask a question, that I am asked all the time. I have the number 69 on the nose of my changalicious, N7NF. What does that mean? if anything. Thanks guys, don't crucify me.... Thanks -------- Barrington Miles "N7NF" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254814#254814 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:40 PM PST US From: talew@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Yak-List: Number on Nose That number on the nose is usually the last two numbers of the aircraft serial number. In your case, that's not the case. Terry -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "kalunde" > > Ok, usually I am quiet and watch the emails go flying by, but I have to ask a > question, that I am asked all the time. > > I have the number 69 on the nose of my changalicious, N7NF. > > What does that mean? if anything. Thanks guys, don't crucify me.... > > Thanks > > -------- > Barrington Miles > "N7NF" > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254814#254814 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Number on Nose From: doug sapp I think it's just the aircraft number within the squadron. Jack are you lurking?? (he would know for sure. Doug On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:58 AM, kalunde wrote: > > Ok, usually I am quiet and watch the emails go flying by, but I have to ask > a question, that I am asked all the time. > > I have the number 69 on the nose of my changalicious, N7NF. > > What does that mean? if anything. Thanks guys, don't crucify me.... > > Thanks > > -------- > Barrington Miles > "N7NF" > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254814#254814 > > -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:49 PM PST US From: Walter Lannon Subject: Re: Yak-List: Number on Nose Doug is correct. It is the last two of the three digit squadron ident. Well, that is assuming it's the same number it had on arrival from China. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: doug sapp To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Number on Nose I think it's just the aircraft number within the squadron. Jack are you lurking?? (he would know for sure. Doug On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:58 AM, kalunde wrote: Ok, usually I am quiet and watch the emails go flying by, but I have to ask a question, that I am asked all the time. I have the number 69 on the nose of my changalicious, N7NF. What does that mean? if anything. Thanks guys, don't crucify me.... Thanks -------- Barrington Miles "N7NF" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254814#254814 ========== rget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Always Yakin, Doug Sapp Phone 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:35 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Number on Nose Muff diver...cunilingus! The gays interrupt it another. Doc DHS Class of 69 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kalunde Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: Yak-List: Number on Nose Ok, usually I am quiet and watch the emails go flying by, but I have to ask a question, that I am asked all the time. I have the number 69 on the nose of my changalicious, N7NF. What does that mean? if anything. Thanks guys, don't crucify me.... Thanks -------- Barrington Miles "N7NF" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254814#254814 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:51 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Number on Nose Terry, I correct for Eastern Bloc AC that is. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of talew@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Number on Nose That number on the nose is usually the last two numbers of the aircraft serial number. In your case, that's not the case. Terry -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "kalunde" > > Ok, usually I am quiet and watch the emails go flying by, but I have to ask a > question, that I am asked all the time. > > I have the number 69 on the nose of my changalicious, N7NF. > > What does that mean? if anything. Thanks guys, don't crucify me.... > > Thanks > > -------- > Barrington Miles > "N7NF" > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254814#254814 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:38 PM PST US From: "Chris Wise" Subject: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal G'Day, Thanks to Walt, Pappy and Dennis for replying. The M14P has a rubber lip seal as well as a slinger, like Walt says. The slinger by itself is inadequate, especially during aeros. Any other advice would be appreciated re removing prop reduction box and the prop shaft. Thanks and Cheers, Chris. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:54 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal Chris, Do a search in the Matronics archives for approximately 3 years ago. I have forgotten the gentleman's name in New Jersey that had or has a Sukoi. He's a acro competitor kind of guy. He had to pull the nose case on his M-14. There is a "special" tool that is needed to remove the nose case. The guys at West London Aero club can probably help out with some advise also along with supplying the "tool" needed to pull the case off the prop shaft. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal G'Day, Thanks to Walt, Pappy and Dennis for replying. The M14P has a rubber lip seal as well as a slinger, like Walt says. The slinger by itself is inadequate, especially during aeros. Any other advice would be appreciated re removing prop reduction box and the prop shaft. Thanks and Cheers, Chris. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:21 PM PST US From: "Chris Wise" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal G'Day Doc, Thanks for that. Doyou have an email address for the guys at West London Aero Club? Cheers, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Kemp M.D. To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal Chris, Do a search in the Matronics archives for approximately 3 years ago. I have forgotten the gentleman's name in New Jersey that had or has a Sukoi. He's a acro competitor kind of guy. He had to pull the nose case on his M-14. There is a "special" tool that is needed to remove the nose case. The guys at West London Aero club can probably help out with some advise also along with supplying the "tool" needed to pull the case off the prop shaft. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:19 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal G'Day, Thanks to Walt, Pappy and Dennis for replying. The M14P has a rubber lip seal as well as a slinger, like Walt says. The slinger by itself is inadequate, especially during aeros. Any other advice would be appreciated re removing prop reduction box and the prop shaft. Thanks and Cheers, Chris. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt p://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05/23/09 07:00:00 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:26 PM PST US From: Warren Hill Subject: Yak-List: Maximum structural cruise Fellow CJ-ers, I wonder if there is a consensus on a figure in knots for maximum structural cruise for the CJ-6A? Warren Hill Mesa, AZ On Jul 26, 2009, at 6:19 PM, Chris Wise wrote: > G'Day, > > Thanks to Walt, Pappy and Dennis for replying. > The M14P has a rubber lip seal as well as a slinger, like Walt says. > The slinger by itself is inadequate, especially during aeros. > Any other advice would be appreciated re removing prop reduction box > and the prop shaft. > > Thanks and Cheers, > Chris. > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:29 PM PST US From: Warren Hill Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ-6A tool kit Guys, Looking for a complete CJ-6A tool kit. Any ideas where I might find one? Warren Hill Mesa, AZ On Jul 26, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Chris Wise wrote: > G'Day Doc, > > Thanks for that. Doyou have an email address for the guys at West > London Aero Club? > > Cheers, > Chris. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Kemp M.D. > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:16 PM > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal > > Chris, > Do a search in the Matronics archives for approximately 3 years ago. > I have forgotten the gentlemans name in New Jersey that had or has > a Sukoi. Hes a acro competitor kind of guy. He had to pull the > nose case on his M-14. There is a special tool that is needed to > remove the nose case. The guys at West London Aero club can > probably help out with some advise also along with supplying the > tool needed to pull the case off the prop shaft. > Doc > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Chris Wise > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:19 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal > > G'Day, > > Thanks to Walt, Pappy and Dennis for replying. > The M14P has a rubber lip seal as well as a slinger, like Walt says. > The slinger by itself is inadequate, especially during aeros. > Any other advice would be appreciated re removing prop reduction box > and the prop shaft. > > Thanks and Cheers, > Chris. > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:12 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal Same Chris, Here is their website. http://www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk All their contact info on their home page. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal G'Day Doc, Thanks for that. Doyou have an email address for the guys at West London Aero Club? Cheers, Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Kemp M.D. Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal Chris, Do a search in the Matronics archives for approximately 3 years ago. I have forgotten the gentleman's name in New Jersey that had or has a Sukoi. He's a acro competitor kind of guy. He had to pull the nose case on his M-14. There is a "special" tool that is needed to remove the nose case. The guys at West London Aero club can probably help out with some advise also along with supplying the "tool" needed to pull the case off the prop shaft. Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wise Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal G'Day, Thanks to Walt, Pappy and Dennis for replying. The M14P has a rubber lip seal as well as a slinger, like Walt says. The slinger by itself is inadequate, especially during aeros. Any other advice would be appreciated re removing prop reduction box and the prop shaft. Thanks and Cheers, Chris. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _____ Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:12 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ-6A tool kit Try Doug Sapp. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Warren Hill Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 11:23 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ-6A tool kit Guys, Looking for a complete CJ-6A tool kit. Any ideas where I might find one? Warren Hill Mesa, AZ On Jul 26, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Chris Wise wrote: > G'Day Doc, > > Thanks for that. Doyou have an email address for the guys at West > London Aero Club? > > Cheers, > Chris. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Kemp M.D. > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:16 PM > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal > > Chris, > Do a search in the Matronics archives for approximately 3 years ago. > I have forgotten the gentleman's name in New Jersey that had or has > a Sukoi. He's a acro competitor kind of guy. He had to pull the > nose case on his M-14. There is a "special" tool that is needed to > remove the nose case. The guys at West London Aero club can > probably help out with some advise also along with supplying the > "tool" needed to pull the case off the prop shaft. > Doc > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Chris Wise > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:19 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Prop Shaft seal > > G'Day, > > Thanks to Walt, Pappy and Dennis for replying. > The M14P has a rubber lip seal as well as a slinger, like Walt says. > The slinger by itself is inadequate, especially during aeros. > Any other advice would be appreciated re removing prop reduction box > and the prop shaft. > > Thanks and Cheers, > Chris. > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > Release Date: 05/23/09 07:00:00 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.