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1. 04:40 AM - Re: Excessive R Mag Drop (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 05:52 AM - Mondovi Log Cabin Fly In / SUNDAY (Rico Jaeger)
3. 08:51 AM - Re: Mondovi Log Cabin Fly In / SUNDAY (Herb Coussons)
4. 09:08 AM - Need Mechanic N.Calif (Bill1200)
5. 09:12 AM - Prop Balance (Bill1200)
6. 09:38 AM - Re: Need Mechanic N.Calif (Kurt Howerton)
7. 09:54 AM - Re: Prop Balance (Kurt Howerton)
8. 10:13 AM - Re: Need Mechanic N.Calif (Warren Hill)
9. 11:04 AM - Re: Prop Balance (Bill1200)
10. 11:11 AM - Re: Mondovi Log Cabin Fly In / SUNDAY (Rico Jaeger)
11. 12:01 PM - Re: Need Mechanic N.Calif (Bill1200)
12. 02:22 PM - Re: Need Mechanic N.Calif (Jim Selby)
13. 02:24 PM - Cockpit Mirrors (Mark Sorenson)
14. 04:09 PM - Re: Prop Balance and M-14P mechanic in Northern California (Mark Schrick)
15. 04:34 PM - Re: Prop Balance (Craig Payne)
16. 04:38 PM - Re: Cockpit Mirrors (Craig Payne)
17. 05:18 PM - Re: Prop Balance (Kregg Victory)
18. 06:20 PM - Re: Prop Balance (Bill1200)
19. 08:21 PM - Re: Excessive R Mag Drop (Scott Poehlmann)
20. 11:07 PM - Official Yak-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
21. 11:15 PM - Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Excessive R Mag Drop |
Hi Scott,
There are 3 points to line up with the rotor. 1- the center of the
rotor; 2- the contact point on the rotor; 3- the scribe mark on the boss
of the mag. First set the point gap to .25 to .35 mm or .010-.014.
Then check the timing using your timing box or "buzz box", which should
be between 14.5 and 16.5 degrees BTDC. Once the timing is set, NOW
check the rotor position to make sure the 3 points line up. The leading
(rotating counter clockwise) point on the rotor is the one that is used
during normal operation. This point should be lined up with the scribe
mark when the timing is set. The trailing point is for the starting
coil. Finally, when synchronizing the mags, use what I call the "fine"
timing adjustment eccentric which I pointed out in the diagram. This
eccentric is on the opposite side of the points. Using your timing box
connected to both mags, you can tweak one mag to the other using this
fine timing adjustment.
I doubt the BR6's will solve the problem. But the engine will run much
more efficiently with them.
I believe someone made an excellent post yesterday about doing the
run-up at 60-65% on the Yak 55 because the brakes would not hold at 70%.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Let me know how you make out.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Poehlmann
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Excessive R Mag Drop
Hi Dennis,
Thanks for the usual thorough and thoughtful info. I will do all of
your
suggestions. I was under the misapprehension that the slots in the
rotor
were to allow for synchronization between the two mags, which led me
to
the idea of checking a variety of positions. Hopefully I have not
damaged the caps, although I have only run the engine for a total of
perhaps 15 minutes since varying the rotor position. I will reset it
to
the boss mark (which I hopefully can find...) as specified in your
e-mail. Please confirm that it is the CENTER LINE of the rotor (which
has two contacts on it, one in front of the other, separated by
perhaps
0.5 cm; thus the center line is between the two contacts...) which is
to
be aligned with the scribe mark.
I am going to try the BR6 plugs and see if that fixes the problem, and
will also see if I can identify a "cold" cylinder. Failing that I'll
measure the resistances of the plug wires.
As to doing the run-up at 65%, I was taught this (I think by Nik...)
when I first transitioned into an Su-29 about 7 years ago and frankly
have never given it any thought since then.
Thanks again.
Scott
A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> Scott,
> A couple of comments based on your post. These comments will most
> likely not change the mag drop. But I believe are important.
>
> - Mag checks are typically done at 70%, although the large mag drop
> would most likely not change by doing the mag check at 60-65%.
> - The BR7HS plugs are a "colder" plug and I would suggest changing
to
> BR6HS plugs. Gap the new plugs to .21 -.22. We have found the
BR6HS
> plugs to be a much better plug for the M14 than either the BR7's or
8's.
> - Rotating the distributor rotor just for the sake of trying to
reduce
> the mag drop is definitely a no-no. You are forcing the rotor point
> off the center contact of the mag cap ie: making the spark jump the
> gap. You could be damaging the mag cap. The reason the rotor has
> slots in it is to enable the mechanic to properly align the position
> of the rotor to the scribed mark on the boss of the magneto (the mag
> cover mating surface once the mag timing is properly set). See
> attached. This positions the rotor point to the center of the
contact
> inside the magneto cap when the mag cap is installed. I would
> recommend you recheck the timing and after properly setting the
> timing, reset the rotor by placing a straight edge across the center
> of the rotor to the rotor point, then loosen the 3 screws and
> align the center and the point of the rotor to the scribe mark on
the
> boss of the mag.
>
> Since you are getting a large mag drop, you can possibly isolate the
> faulty cylinder (plug not firing) by running the mag on the BAD mag
to
> see what cylinders are not firing. Start the engine and
immediately
> rotate the mag switch to the #2 mag and leave it there. You said #2
> was giving you the large mag drop. Now let it run for a few minutes
> on the bad mag. Shut the engine down. Using a laser temperature
> sensor which you can buy at Radio Shack, measure the temperature of
> each cylinder at exactly the same point on each cylinder. Pick a
spot
> that is easy to "shoot" with the laser. Just make sure you measure
> the temps at the same location on every cylinder. You will likely
> find a cylinder that is much colder than the others. That will be
the
> suspect wire/plug. It could also be a small crack in the mag cap
> between the contact points. Look for carbon traces in the mag cap.
> Replace the cap for testing purposes. But be sure to align the
rotor
> point to the scribe mark before replacing the cap.
>
> Regarding the mag drop, since you are using the 8 mm wires, you can
> measure the resistance of the wires from the spark plug end to the
mag
> cap. Starting with the longest wire, (left mag #6; right mag #5)
> measure the resistance of the wires using a digital ohm meter. The
> shorter the wire, the less resistance. If you find a bad wire, (no
> resistance) remove the end from the mag cap, cut off about 3/8",
> reinstall and screw in the wire-piercing screw. Then check the
> resistance again. If the wire still reads completely open (no
> resistance), contact me off-list and I can order you a new wire.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Scott Poehlmann <mailto:scott-p@texas.net>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:20 PM
> *Subject:* Yak-List: Excessive R Mag Drop
>
<scott-p@texas.net
> <mailto:scott-p@texas.net>>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> My lovely M9F (okay, "Phi", but I don't have that key on this
> keyboard...<VBG>) magnetos (mounted on a Yak-55M) seem to have
> developed
> an issue, and I need some help toubleshooting it. The problem is
an
> excessive mag drop on the right (#2) mag. Mag checks done
between 60%
> and 65% yield a 2.5-2.9% drop on the Left mag (#1) and
(initially) a
> 9.5-9.9% drop on the Right (#2). Here is what I have done so far
> and the
> effect:
>
> 1) Replaced the plugs (NGK BR7HS gapped at 0.25). No effect.
N.B.,
> the
> ignition wires are US 8 mm automotive wires and are just over 18
> months old.
> 2) Checked the point gap (and cleaned everything in the top of
the
> mag
> with Isopropanol). Gap correct at 0.3 mm. No effect.
> 3) Reset the distributor rotor to full "aft" (i.e., opposite the
> direction of rotation) position. No effect.
> 4) Reset distributor rotor to mid-position. Decreased drop on
> Right mag
> to about 8.5%.
> 5) Reset distributor rotor to full "forward" position (i.e., in
> direction of rotation). Decreased drop on Right mag to about
7.7-7.9%.
>
> This is the best that I can get. Obviously, this isn't good
enough...
>
> Any ideas on what the problem is and (more importantly to me),
> what the
> solution is? Preferably without recourse to "buy a new mag"...
>
> I'm stumped.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott Poehlmann
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| Subject: | Mondovi Log Cabin Fly In / SUNDAY |
If you've never been to the Mondovi, WI. Log Cabin Fly In, it's this
Sunday and quite an experience! Very intimate and beautiful, it is a rural
aviation gathering at it's best - not to mention a CHALLENGE to land in
the "gully-strip!" While aircraft attendance is usually impressive, I have
yet to see a Yak or CJ there. Believe me - you'd be the "talk of the
tarmac!" (If there was one!) Things open up about 9 AM and there is food
and entertainment on grounds. You have to experience this place to "get
it." It's a great way to go (reluctantly) into Fall! Come on! Let's see
some RED STARS on that field!
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| Subject: | Re: Mondovi Log Cabin Fly In / SUNDAY |
Identifier ?
Herb
On Sep 1, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Rico Jaeger wrote:
> If you've never been to the Mondovi, WI. Log Cabin Fly In, it's this
> Sunday and quite an experience! Very intimate and beautiful, it is a
> rural aviation gathering at it's best - not to mention a CHALLENGE
> to land in the "gully-strip!" While aircraft attendance is usually
> impressive, I have yet to see a Yak or CJ there. Believe me - you'd
> be the "talk of the tarmac!" (If there was one!) Things open up
> about 9 AM and there is food and entertainment on grounds. You have
> to experience this place to "get it." It's a great way to go
> (reluctantly) into Fall! Come on! Let's see some RED STARS on that
> field!
>
>
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| Subject: | Need Mechanic N.Calif |
Looking for mechanic in Northern Calif. Tried Red StarAviation in the Bay Area
and they really did not sound enthusiastic at all. Currently flying to McMinnville.
They seem very good but very far away. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260826#260826
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Looking for recommendation on someone who can balance prop. Live in N.Calif. Spoke
with American Prop in Redding and he didn't have a clue how to do it. Recently
replaced V530 blades and getting a bit more vibration than before, also getting
a harmonic of about 2-3 second interval,thanks,Bill.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260827#260827
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| Subject: | Re: Need Mechanic N.Calif |
Jim Selby in Marina, CA
http://www.nanchangaircraft.com
--
Kurt "It" Howerton
N923YK
http://cj6.scitechsys.com
Bill1200 wrote:
>
> Looking for mechanic in Northern Calif. Tried Red StarAviation in the Bay Area
and they really did not sound enthusiastic at all. Currently flying to McMinnville.
They seem very good but very far away. Thanks.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260826#260826
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Balance |
There's a shop in San Jose that does Yak and CJ6 dynamic balancing.
Jim Selby in Marina has the name and phone number. (I have it in a file
at home!).
--
Kurt "It" Howerton
N923YK
http://cj6.scitechsys.com
Bill1200 wrote:
>
> Looking for recommendation on someone who can balance prop. Live in N.Calif.
Spoke with American Prop in Redding and he didn't have a clue how to do it. Recently
replaced V530 blades and getting a bit more vibration than before, also
getting a harmonic of about 2-3 second interval,thanks,Bill.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260827#260827
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need Mechanic N.Calif |
I have to agree. Jim is a quality guy in that part of California who
knows his stuff. Bought my CJ through him and have been very happy. He
can also point you in the right direction for prop balancing.
Warren Hill
On Sep 1, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Kurt Howerton wrote:
>
> Jim Selby in Marina, CA
> http://www.nanchangaircraft.com
>
> --
> Kurt "It" Howerton
> N923YK
> http://cj6.scitechsys.com
>
> Bill1200 wrote:
>>
>> Looking for mechanic in Northern Calif. Tried Red StarAviation in
>> the Bay Area and they really did not sound enthusiastic at all.
>> Currently flying to McMinnville. They seem very good but very far
>> away. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260826#260826
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Balance |
thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Mondovi Log Cabin Fly In / SUNDAY |
Mondovi is WS69 / 44-34-23.8779N, 91-32-47.5690W
>>> Herb Coussons <drc@wscare.com> 9/1/2009 10:09 AM >>>
Identifier ?
Herb
On Sep 1, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Rico Jaeger wrote:
If you've never been to the Mondovi, WI. Log Cabin Fly In, it's this
Sunday and quite an experience! Very intimate and beautiful, it is a rural
aviation gathering at it's best - not to mention a CHALLENGE to land in
the "gully-strip!" While aircraft attendance is usually impressive, I have
yet to see a Yak or CJ there. Believe me - you'd be the "talk of the
tarmac!" (If there was one!) Things open up about 9 AM and there is food
and entertainment on grounds. You have to experience this place to "get
it." It's a great way to go (reluctantly) into Fall! Come on! Let's see
some RED STARS on that field! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Ya
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| Subject: | Re: Need Mechanic N.Calif |
I should have been more specific and have edited the original post,I have a YAK
52 and he does not work on them but he gave me a resource in San Jose
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| Subject: | Re: Need Mechanic N.Calif |
Bill,
For Prop Balancing, you can contact Victory Aero, talk with Kregg, he does
all the CJ Prop Balancing and Yaks, great guy..
Best Regards
Jim
Victory Aero
Kregg Victory
408-729-7635 Office
408-836-5122 Cell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Howerton" <kurt@scitechsys.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Mechanic N.Calif
>
> Jim Selby in Marina, CA
> http://www.nanchangaircraft.com
>
> --
> Kurt "It" Howerton
> N923YK
> http://cj6.scitechsys.com
>
> Bill1200 wrote:
>>
>> Looking for mechanic in Northern Calif. Tried Red StarAviation in the Bay
>> Area and they really did not sound enthusiastic at all. Currently flying
>> to McMinnville. They seem very good but very far away. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260826#260826
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Fellow Listers=2C
A while back I saw cockpit mirrors listed on the internet for the use of fo
rmation flying that worked in the Yak 52. Anyone know of these and wonder
how or if it would adapt to the Yak 55M?
Thanks in advance for any info.
Best regards=2C
Mark Sorenson
678-GO-FLY-HI
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Balance and M-14P mechanic in Northern California |
Call Kregg Victory at 408-729-7635=0A=0A=0AThe best at prop balancing and g
reat M-14P mechanic also. Maintains 18 Yaks and CJs in the Bay area and own
s TWO himself.=0A=0ASHREK=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
Bill1200 <billdykes52@gmail.com>=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesd
ay, September 1, 2009 9:12:13 AM=0ASubject: Yak-List: Prop Balance=0A=0A-->
Yak-List message posted by: "Bill1200" <billdykes52@gmail.com>=0A=0ALookin
g for recommendation on someone who can balance prop. Live in N.Calif. Spok
e with American Prop in Redding and he didn't have a clue how to do it. Rec
ently replaced V530 blades and getting a bit more vibration than before, al
so getting a harmonic of about 2-3 second interval,thanks,Bill.=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Balance |
Dynamic Balance is really only effective after static balance and blade tracking
have been tweeked. I use a lab scale accurate to 1/10 of a gram for the blades
and a laser level to set the angle and tracking. If you can get under .15 IPS,
leave it alone. Flat engines are often adjusted to under .10 IPS but I found
it tricky with the M-14P and paddle blade prop.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit Mirrors |
That bees me that advertised. I pulled my ad off Barnstormers because I ran out
of old new stock. I do have a a new mirror prototype up and working but the mount
fabrication is labor-intensive and will drive up the cost. In between all
my other projects I'm trying to engineer a cheaper solution. My Engineering Soul
is that of the Minimalist, an old school view that has fallen out of favor
in modern times. Meanwhile I have the suction cup mirror, not as elegant but
it works one flight at a time ... and it's cheap.
Most of my intellectual energy has been an upgrade to the auto plug conversion,
it's a new boost coil cable setup and wiring back plate for each magneto that
seals out "goop" and cleans up the snakes nest of wires going into each mag.
Sourcing the components consumes more effort that the concept phase.
However my main problem seems to be that each day's effort seems to come to an
abrupt halt at Happy Hour. So goes the life of an old Jarhead, still headed down
to the club after duty....
http://home.joimail.com/~cpayne1/
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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If you need help in setting up your prop and balancing it, I will be glad to
work with you. I am located at (KRHV) Reid-Hillview airport in San Jose.
Here we service many Yak's in the form of maintenance, inspections,
modifications as well as prop balancing.
All of the Yaks I service, the propeller vibration level is below .07 IPS
If you need anything give me a call, The cell is the best way to contact
me.
Thanks
Kregg Victory
Victory Aero
2502 John Montgomery Dr.
San Jose, CA 95148
408-836-5122 Cell
408-836-5122 Shop
www.balancemyprop.com
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill1200
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:12 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Prop Balance
Looking for recommendation on someone who can balance prop. Live in N.Calif.
Spoke with American Prop in Redding and he didn't have a clue how to do it.
Recently replaced V530 blades and getting a bit more vibration than before,
also getting a harmonic of about 2-3 second interval,thanks,Bill.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260827#260827
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Balance |
Thanks Kregg, I got your name and number from Jim Selby, actually left a message
on your phone, talk to soon
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| Subject: | Re: Excessive R Mag Drop |
Hi Dennis,
Actually, my brakes do hold at 70% (Matco's)... But that didn't fix the
problem. I don't think that the brakes on the Su29 did hold at 70%, so I
suspect that is ultimately the reason for the 60-65%.
I completely reset the mags back to spec as per your description and the
installation task card, and... (drum roll...) drop on the L mag went to
about 1.9% and on the R mag to 8.5%, which is certainly better than
almost 10% but still not quite right. I didn't have the ability to
synchronize between them (no timing box--but I have access to one), but
will try that. I have a temp sensor on the way, and will shoot the
cylinders to make sure all are firing on the R mag, but since the engine
runs smoothly (albeit at a lower rpm) I _doubt_ that I have a bad plug
wire. If synchronizing them doesn't fix the problem, and there aren't
any cold cylinders (and the resistances on the wires all check) then I
am out of ideas and guess I'll need to find a replacement mag.
Thanks for being patient with me...<VBG>
Scott
A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> There are 3 points to line up with the rotor. 1- the center of the
> rotor; 2- the contact point on the rotor; 3- the scribe mark on the
> boss of the mag. First set the point gap to .25 to .35 mm or
> .010-.014. Then check the timing using your timing box or "buzz box",
> which should be between 14.5 and 16.5 degrees BTDC. Once the timing
> is set, NOW check the rotor position to make sure the 3 points line
> up. The leading (rotating counter clockwise) point on the rotor is
> the one that is used during normal operation. This point should be
> lined up with the scribe mark when the timing is set. The trailing
> point is for the starting coil. Finally, when synchronizing the
> mags, use what I call the "fine" timing adjustment eccentric which I
> pointed out in the diagram. This eccentric is on the opposite side of
> the points. Using your timing box connected to both mags, you can
> tweak one mag to the other using this fine timing adjustment.
>
> I doubt the BR6's will solve the problem. But the engine will run
> much more efficiently with them.
>
> I believe someone made an excellent post yesterday about doing the
> run-up at 60-65% on the Yak 55 because the brakes would not hold at
> 70%. Makes perfect sense to me.
>
> Let me know how you make out.
> Dennis
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Scott Poehlmann <mailto:scott-p@texas.net>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2009 9:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Excessive R Mag Drop
>
> <mailto:scott-p@texas.net>>
>
> Hi Dennis,
>
> Thanks for the usual thorough and thoughtful info. I will do all
> of your
> suggestions. I was under the misapprehension that the slots in the
> rotor
> were to allow for synchronization between the two mags, which led
> me to
> the idea of checking a variety of positions. Hopefully I have not
> damaged the caps, although I have only run the engine for a total of
> perhaps 15 minutes since varying the rotor position. I will reset
> it to
> the boss mark (which I hopefully can find...) as specified in your
> e-mail. Please confirm that it is the CENTER LINE of the rotor (which
> has two contacts on it, one in front of the other, separated by
> perhaps
> 0.5 cm; thus the center line is between the two contacts...) which
> is to
> be aligned with the scribe mark.
>
> I am going to try the BR6 plugs and see if that fixes the problem,
> and
> will also see if I can identify a "cold" cylinder. Failing that I'll
> measure the resistances of the plug wires.
>
> As to doing the run-up at 65%, I was taught this (I think by Nik...)
> when I first transitioned into an Su-29 about 7 years ago and frankly
> have never given it any thought since then.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Scott
>
> A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> > Scott,
> > A couple of comments based on your post. These comments will most
> > likely not change the mag drop. But I believe are important.
> >
> > - Mag checks are typically done at 70%, although the large mag drop
> > would most likely not change by doing the mag check at 60-65%.
> > - The BR7HS plugs are a "colder" plug and I would suggest
> changing to
> > BR6HS plugs. Gap the new plugs to .21 -.22. We have found the
> BR6HS
> > plugs to be a much better plug for the M14 than either the BR7's
> or 8's.
> > - Rotating the distributor rotor just for the sake of trying to
> reduce
> > the mag drop is definitely a no-no. You are forcing the rotor
> point
> > off the center contact of the mag cap ie: making the spark jump the
> > gap. You could be damaging the mag cap. The reason the rotor has
> > slots in it is to enable the mechanic to properly align the
> position
> > of the rotor to the scribed mark on the boss of the magneto (the
> mag
> > cover mating surface once the mag timing is properly set). See
> > attached. This positions the rotor point to the center of the
> contact
> > inside the magneto cap when the mag cap is installed. I would
> > recommend you recheck the timing and after properly setting the
> > timing, reset the rotor by placing a straight edge across the
> center
> > of the rotor to the rotor point, then loosen the 3 screws and
> > align the center and the point of the rotor to the scribe mark
> on the
> > boss of the mag.
> >
> > Since you are getting a large mag drop, you can possibly isolate
> the
> > faulty cylinder (plug not firing) by running the mag on the BAD
> mag to
> > see what cylinders are not firing. Start the engine and
> immediately
> > rotate the mag switch to the #2 mag and leave it there. You
> said #2
> > was giving you the large mag drop. Now let it run for a few
> minutes
> > on the bad mag. Shut the engine down. Using a laser temperature
> > sensor which you can buy at Radio Shack, measure the temperature of
> > each cylinder at exactly the same point on each cylinder. Pick
> a spot
> > that is easy to "shoot" with the laser. Just make sure you measure
> > the temps at the same location on every cylinder. You will likely
> > find a cylinder that is much colder than the others. That will
> be the
> > suspect wire/plug. It could also be a small crack in the mag cap
> > between the contact points. Look for carbon traces in the mag
> cap.
> > Replace the cap for testing purposes. But be sure to align the
> rotor
> > point to the scribe mark before replacing the cap.
> >
> > Regarding the mag drop, since you are using the 8 mm wires, you can
> > measure the resistance of the wires from the spark plug end to
> the mag
> > cap. Starting with the longest wire, (left mag #6; right mag #5)
> > measure the resistance of the wires using a digital ohm meter. The
> > shorter the wire, the less resistance. If you find a bad wire, (no
> > resistance) remove the end from the mag cap, cut off about 3/8",
> > reinstall and screw in the wire-piercing screw. Then check the
> > resistance again. If the wire still reads completely open (no
> > resistance), contact me off-list and I can order you a new wire.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Scott Poehlmann <mailto:scott-p@texas.net>
> > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:20 PM
> > *Subject:* Yak-List: Excessive R Mag Drop
> >
> <scott-p@texas.net <mailto:scott-p@texas.net>
> > <mailto:scott-p@texas.net>>
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > My lovely M9F (okay, "Phi", but I don't have that key on this
> > keyboard...<VBG>) magnetos (mounted on a Yak-55M) seem to have
> > developed
> > an issue, and I need some help toubleshooting it. The
> problem is an
> > excessive mag drop on the right (#2) mag. Mag checks done
> between 60%
> > and 65% yield a 2.5-2.9% drop on the Left mag (#1) and
> (initially) a
> > 9.5-9.9% drop on the Right (#2). Here is what I have done so far
> > and the
> > effect:
> >
> > 1) Replaced the plugs (NGK BR7HS gapped at 0.25). No effect.
> N.B.,
> > the
> > ignition wires are US 8 mm automotive wires and are just over 18
> > months old.
> > 2) Checked the point gap (and cleaned everything in the top
> of the
> > mag
> > with Isopropanol). Gap correct at 0.3 mm. No effect.
> > 3) Reset the distributor rotor to full "aft" (i.e., opposite the
> > direction of rotation) position. No effect.
> > 4) Reset distributor rotor to mid-position. Decreased drop on
> > Right mag
> > to about 8.5%.
> > 5) Reset distributor rotor to full "forward" position (i.e., in
> > direction of rotation). Decreased drop on Right mag to about
> 7.7-7.9%.
> >
> > This is the best that I can get. Obviously, this isn't good
> enough...
> >
> > Any ideas on what the problem is and (more importantly to me),
> > what the
> > solution is? Preferably without recourse to "buy a new mag"...
> >
> > I'm stumped.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Scott Poehlmann
> > Yak 55M p; Navigator Photoshare, and
> >
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>
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> >
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| Subject: | Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Yak-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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