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Tue 09/29/09


Total Messages Posted: 4



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     1. 02:24 AM - Over- priming  (Richard Goode)
     2. 10:14 AM - Re: Over- priming (doug sapp)
     3. 03:19 PM - Re: Over- priming (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
     4. 06:06 PM - Re: Fly Away Covers that fit Yak 50,52 and CJ's (Harry Hirschman)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:24:20 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
    Subject: Over- priming
    In my view ten blades are not enough - I would suggest at least fifteen. The point of my method is that it prevents the need of getting in and out of the aircraft, which one really does not want to do at the best of times particularly if it is cold/raining. So if the engine is in reasonable condition; the carburettor primed; 3/5 pumps to the cylinder, the engine should start within a revolution of the prop on every occasion. The big mistake is to treat the air start as a form of starter-motor. The engine will either start, which is fine; kick-back, which means it is over-primed; or not fire which means that it is under primed. IF it does kick-back then switch everything off; and now you do need to get out, and wind the prop through (say) six revolutions, and then start again. If it is under primed, then give it some more prime. The essence of it is that everything can be done from inside the cockpit. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129 www.russianaeros.com


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    Time: 10:14:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Over- priming
    From: doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
    All,During a conversation with the folks in China who are in the know with respect to what is done to their engines at overhaul stated that it is the top clys which are always in the poorest condition when they receive the engines for overhaul. They confirmed that this was due to overpriming. All food for thought. Doug On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Richard Goode < richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote: > > In my view ten blades are not enough - I would suggest at least fifteen. > > The point of my method is that it prevents the need of getting in and out > of the aircraft, which one really does not want to do at the best of times > particularly if it is cold/raining. > > So if the engine is in reasonable condition; the carburettor primed; 3/5 > pumps to the cylinder, the engine should start within a revolution of the > prop on *every* occasion. > > The big mistake is to treat the air start as a form of starter-motor. > > The engine will either start, which is fine; kick-back, which means it is > over-primed; or not fire which means that it is under primed. > > IF it does kick-back then switch everything off; and now you do need to get > out, and wind the prop through (say) six revolutions, and then start again. > > If it is under primed, then give it some more prime. > > The essence of it is that everything can be done from inside the cockpit. > > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > Rhodds Farm > Lyonshall > Herefordshire > HR5 3LW > United Kingdom > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120 > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129 > www.russianaeros.com > > * > > * > > -- Douglas Sapp Doug Sapp LLC 18B Riverview Road Omak WA 98841 PH 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644


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    Time: 03:19:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Over- priming
    From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
    This may be a ridiculous statement, but it dawns on me that not all of these engines sit at the same angle when mounted in the aircraft. For example, the YAK-50 obviously sits canted back, while on the 52 it is fairly level. Would this result in less fuel going down into the top cylinder or not? Just wondering. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:14 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Over- priming All, During a conversation with the folks in China who are in the know with respect to what is done to their engines at overhaul stated that it is the top clys which are always in the poorest condition when they receive the engines for overhaul. They confirmed that this was due to overpriming. All food for thought. Doug On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> wrote: In my view ten blades are not enough - I would suggest at least fifteen. The point of my method is that it prevents the need of getting in and out of the aircraft, which one really does not want to do at the best of times particularly if it is cold/raining. So if the engine is in reasonable condition; the carburettor primed; 3/5 pumps to the cylinder, the engine should start within a revolution of the prop on every occasion. The big mistake is to treat the air start as a form of starter-motor. The engine will either start, which is fine; kick-back, which means it is over-primed; or not fire which means that it is under primed. IF it does kick-back then switch everything off; and now you do need to get out, and wind the prop through (say) six revolutions, and then start again. If it is under primed, then give it some more prime. The essence of it is that everything can be done from inside the cockpit. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340 120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340 129 www.russianaeros.com et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Douglas Sapp Doug Sapp LLC 18B Riverview Road Omak WA 98841 PH 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644


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    Time: 06:06:24 PM PST US
    From: Harry Hirschman <hairball192@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Fly Away Covers that fit Yak 50,52 and CJ's
    I got one for my -50 and it's really nice to have on overnight cross countries. It's light and compact enough to leave in the plane all the time (either in the baggage compartment, if you have one, or attached behind the seat). It's not intended for everyday use, but it's perfect for trips or when you get caught away from the home hangar. Looks good on -52's and CJ's too. Harry ----- Original Message ---- From: Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:58:58 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fly Away Covers that fit Yak 50,52 and CJ's How much for the YAK 50 cover? Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Arthur white Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:00 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fly Away Covers that fit Yak 50,52 and CJ's Kregg I have Yak 52 based in Europe. How much are the covers? Best regards Arthur -----Original Message----- From: Kregg Victory <kregg@balancemyprop.com> Sent: 24 September 2009 03:29 Subject: Yak-List: Fly Away Covers that fit Yak 50,52 and CJ's I just got in new lightweight travel covers that will fit almost any airplane. Weighs from 2-3.5 lbs and has a carry bag that is about 7"x24". Sizes that Yak 50, 52 and CJ'S. If interested contact me directly [The entire original message is not included]




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