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1. 03:24 AM - Re: smoke systems (cjpilot710@aol.com)
2. 05:33 AM - Re: Blue Mountain Updates (N395V)
3. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: Blue Mountain Updates (Larry Pine)
4. 08:56 AM - Re: smoke systems (keithmckinley)
5. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: smoke systems (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Blue Mountain Updates (Warren Hill)
7. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: Blue Mountain Updates (Terry Calloway)
8. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: Blue Mountain Updates (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 12:49 PM - Re: Blue Mountain Updates (Noplugs)
10. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: Blue Mountain Updates (Greg Young)
11. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Blue Mountain Updates (Terry Calloway)
12. 03:12 PM - Prop inspection (tigeryak18t)
13. 06:02 PM - Re: Prop inspection (Roger Kemp M.D.)
14. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Blue Mountain Updates (Tom Elliott)
15. 06:21 PM - Re: Prop inspection (A. Dennis Savarese)
16. 09:41 PM - Re: Re: Blue Mountain Updates (Bill VonDane / Whiskey Victor)
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| Subject: | Re: smoke systems |
I found a 'red tagged' (bad bearings) fuel pump that put out about 30 gals
an hour. I used the old oil dilution valve as a on/off valve. It is in
line with the power wire to the pump. When I close the smoke switch, power
goes to the valve to open and than the pump comes on. Switch off, the pump
shuts down, and the valve is spring loaded closed.
I mounted the injection points high up on the exhaust pipes. The idea was
that the exhaust would have more time to burn the oil. I don't recommend
that. All the oil does not burn and get blown out the exhaust stacks
joints. Makes a mess inside the cowl. I recommend that you inject the oil much
lower, maybe just below the last joint. Also you'll need to watch how big
you need to make the injector holes. You want them large enough so that
the oil you do inject is burned totally. Any more than that, its gets all
over the belly.
I made my smoke oil tank the same size as the old ADF. Its holds a little
over 5 gals. It sits on the old ADF rack. The ADF weighted 45 lbs. A
full oil tank weights about 35 lbs, so the rack can take it. When I had the
tank welded up, I designed the filler neck so that I could refill though
the access hatch just forward of the old ADF access screwed down panel. I
just recently put a sight gage on the side of the tank.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 10/6/2009 11:05:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
keith.mckinley@townisp.com writes:
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Can any of you guys who have set up custom smoke systems recommend an oil
pump? Would it be easier to just go with a unit from smokingairplanes.com
Thanks
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain Updates |
No one has been able to get updates in spite of the fact that greg says he is working
on it.
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain Updates |
Good thing I bought one update the day they said they were closing the door
s.- I had a feeling that was going to happen.
Larry Pine
--- On Wed, 10/7/09, N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com> wrote:
From: N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Blue Mountain Updates
No one has been able to get updates in spite of the fact that greg says he
is working on it.
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: smoke systems |
Pappy,
So it is possible to use a fuel pump and is not necessary to use a pump designed
for oil or tranny fluid? I've seen some nice pumps on the Summit Racing web
site as well as nice 5 gallon aluminum fuel cells.
fuel pump is OK for smoke oil?
what size line did you run to the exhaust? and did you just weld a bung and use
an AN fitting? size?
The other question is I'm guessing there should be an on off switch for the pump
and a momentary switch for the solenoid. which leads to the question of a pump
being on and building up too much pressure
Thanks,
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Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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| Subject: | Re: smoke systems |
I don't see any reason why a "fuel" pump can't be used. Fuel would
harsher on a pump's enters than the oils that are normally used in smoke systems.
Exact size of lines and fittings are not in front of me. Anything with a
ID of about 1/4 would be fine.
What ever you use make sure that the hoses from the firewall forward have
either a metal mesh covering or some kind of fire shielding..
I had a lug (AN type) welded to the stack and a probe with a .040 hole to
spray the oil.
I would not worry about pressure. If you put the two (pump and normally
closed valve) on the same circuit- One: Switch ON,- the pump comes on
(pressure) and the valve opens. Two; Switch OFF, pump turns off and the valve
goes closed. These pumps do not put out that much pressure. Also there
little reason to leave smoke pumps running more than just few minutes.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 10/7/2009 11:56:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
keith.mckinley@townisp.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "keithmckinley"
<keith.mckinley@townisp.com>
Pappy,
So it is possible to use a fuel pump and is not necessary to use a pump
designed for oil or tranny fluid? I've seen some nice pumps on the Summit
Racing web site as well as nice 5 gallon aluminum fuel cells.
fuel pump is OK for smoke oil?
what size line did you run to the exhaust? and did you just weld a bung
and use an AN fitting? size?
The other question is I'm guessing there should be an on off switch for
the pump and a momentary switch for the solenoid. which leads to the question
of a pump being on and building up too much pressure
Thanks,
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
KFIT
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain Updates |
Larry,
I think that Dynon and Grand Rapids will be the two left standing at
the end of the day for experimental aircraft.
http://www.dynonavionics.com/
http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=1
Very nice products.
Warren Hill
Mesa, AZ
On Oct 7, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Larry Pine wrote:
> Good thing I bought one update the day they said they were closing
> the doors. I had a feeling that was going to happen.
>
> Larry Pine
>
>
> --- On Wed, 10/7/09, N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com> wrote:
>
> From: N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Blue Mountain Updates
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:33 AM
>
>
> No one has been able to get updates in spite of the fact that greg
> says he is working on it.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain Updates |
As for the next leader in that market, watch for Garmin. The new G300
display will arrive with the delivery of the Skycatcher and I would
expect to see that unit available for GA/Experimental shortly afterward.
Pumper
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain Updates |
But at what price point?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Calloway
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Blue Mountain Updates
As for the next leader in that market, watch for Garmin. The new G300
display will arrive with the delivery of the Skycatcher and I would
expect to see that unit available for GA/Experimental shortly
afterward.
Pumper
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain Updates |
This is a nice short video from "KitPlanes" Magazine, on the GX and it talks about
the price, options, and features
http://www.funplacestofly.com/blog.asp?ID=105
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain Updates |
It's already out there. The G300 units are basically panel mount 696's with
an AHRS and a little more expensive ~$6K. The G500 is a single box 2 screen
at ~$15K. The G600 is the G500 with all the add-ons (the G500 is really a
stripped G600) and ~$25K.
Regards,
Greg Young
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Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Blue Mountain Updates
But at what price point?
Dennis
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Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Blue Mountain Updates
As for the next leader in that market, watch for Garmin. The new G300
display will arrive with the delivery of the Skycatcher and I would
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain Updates |
Sorry my mistake. The G300 in the Skycatcher looks like the G3X which
is already on the market according to Garmin's website.
ref: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=155&pID=63892
On Oct 7, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Greg Young wrote:
> It's already out there. The G300 units are basically panel mount
> 696's with an AHRS and a little more expensive ~$6K. The G500 is a
> single box 2 screen at ~$15K. The G600 is the G500 with all the add-
> ons (the G500 is really a stripped G600) and ~$25K.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Young
>
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Hello to all,
sorry if this subject has already been discussed but I couldn't find anything about
it. A friend of mine has a leak on his prop (yak52) . It appears as a thin
oil leak on the propeller after half an hour of flight. I would like to inspect
his prop hub, joins etc..
Do anyone knows where I can find a schematic of the prop, or a task card or anything
that can help to find where does this oil going on the fins comes from.
Thanks a lot
--------
Didier Tiger YAK18T
Member of Commemorative Air Force
French Wing
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Didier,
See attached.
Doc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tigeryak18t
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Prop inspection
Hello to all,
sorry if this subject has already been discussed but I couldn't find
anything about it. A friend of mine has a leak on his prop (yak52) . It
appears as a thin oil leak on the propeller after half an hour of flight. I
would like to inspect his prop hub, joins etc..
Do anyone knows where I can find a schematic of the prop, or a task card or
anything that can help to find where does this oil going on the fins comes
from.
Thanks a lot
--------
Didier Tiger YAK18T
Member of Commemorative Air Force
French Wing
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain Updates |
The Advance Flight Systems units are good units. they also interface with
the trutrac A/P's, hard wired as well
as serial radios, transponders, GPS's. Synthetic vision and many other
features. Voice annunciation for all Eng
parameters as well as flight info ( Nav status ) and others. It is reported
that they will have 10 + inch
screen out after the first of the year. As big as the Blue MT. Large screen.
www.advanced-flight-systems.com
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
702-595-2680
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Warren Hill
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Blue Mountain Updates
Larry,
I think that Dynon and Grand Rapids will be the two left standing at the end
of the day for experimental aircraft.
http://www.dynonavionics.com/
http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=1
Very nice products.
Warren Hill
Mesa, AZ
On Oct 7, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Larry Pine wrote:
> Good thing I bought one update the day they said they were closing the
> doors. I had a feeling that was going to happen.
>
> Larry Pine
>
>
> --- On Wed, 10/7/09, N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com> wrote:
>
> From: N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Blue Mountain Updates
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:33 AM
>
>
> No one has been able to get updates in spite of the fact that greg
> says he is working on it.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266923#//www.matronics.com/Navig
ator?Yak-List
> " target=_blank>http://www.matronicp; -Matt
> Draronics.com/contribution" ======
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop inspection |
Didier,
The prop hub is quite simple to inspect. If you have a spinner, remove
the spinner to expose the prop hub dome. If you do not have a spinner,
remove the 30 mm nut and cotter pin. Then remove the small dome cap.
Look inside the dome cap to see if the felt is oil soaked. Next, look
for the lock tab with a screw through it on the edge of the hub directly
above or below the center of the dome. Cut the safety wire, remove the
screw and slide the locking tab out of the hub.
Now, rotate the hub dome to align the slots with the tabs and slide the
dome out SLOWLY. There is oil inside this dome. So be sure to tilt the
front of the dome downward as you pull it out of the hub. The oil tube
will be dripping oil at this time. Make a plug from a paper towel and
plug the end of the oil tube.
Next, while holding the dome in your hand, pull the piston out of the
dome. Remember, there is oil inside the dome. So don't tip the dome
over while pulling the piston out of the dome.
There are 2 seals in the prop hub piston. The outer seal, is large and
if damaged will cause oil to leak out around the prop hub dome.
Remember I said to look at the felt inside the dome cap? If there is
oil on this felt, the outer seal of the piston is leaking. Oil will be
evident on the outside of the hub and on the cooling louvers and disk.
There is also an inner seal in the hub piston. It is twice the size of
the hole in the center of the piston and somewhat "fun" to replace. If
this seal is bad, there will be oil inside the hub. Look inside the hub
for oil. If oil is pooling inside the hub, the inner seal on the hub
piston is leaking. The inner seal rides on the oil tube which you
previously plugged with a paper towel or something similar.
Check the inside of the dome for scoring. If the scoring is bad, it
will damage a new seal when you reassemble the piston and dome.
Purchase a prop hub seal kit and prepare to replace the two seals on the
piston. Clean the dome and piston thoroughly before reassembling. Be
absolutely certain you observe which way the seals are installed. Now
remove and replace the seals. Carefully install the piston back into
the dome. Do not damage the outer seal. If you put either seal in
backwards, when you start the engine you will give your airplane an oil
bath.
If there is oil inside the hub, soak the oil up with shop towels or
something similar. You will need to remove the prop blades because oil
has been diluting the grease around the hub bearings. You will need a
large hook spanner wrench to do this. First remove the two lock tabs on
either end of the hub. They have 2 slotted screws in them and the
screws are safety wired together. Mark the slot in the castellated nut
where the tab in the fits into the nut with a Sharpie pen. You will use
this mark when you tighten the nut back up. Next, as you face the hub,
using the hook spanner wrench, place the wrench in the large castellated
nut just inside the counterweight and loose the nut. You may need to
use a hammer at first to loosen the nut.
Unscrew the nut and the entire blade assembly will drop out. BE CAREFUL
and don't drop the inner bearing which will be on the end of the blade
hub. There is square slider (about 25 mm) on the inside of the hub
fitted into a slot. It has a hole in it where the pin on the end of the
blade fits in to. Remove this. CAREFULLY OBSERVE HOW THE INNER BEARING
AND RACE ARE FITTED INTO THE HUB. The bearing has a flared inner edge.
This edge goes toward the end of the blade. There is also another
bearing that will remain on the blade just inside the threads of the
large castellated nut. Clean all the parts, grease them with Aeroshell
#5 or similar grease, place the loose race back in the hub then place
the loose bearing in the hub flush up against the race. Now place the
square slider in the slot and position the sliding mechanism at the
bottom center of the hole.
Now reinstall the prop blade being care to align the pin on the end of
the blade with the slider at the bottom center of the hub hole. Now
thread the castellated nut back into the hub. DO NO TIGHTEN at this
time. Now rotate the prop 180 degrees so the recently reinstalled blade
is on the left. Now using the hook spanner wrench, tighten the
castellated nut so the locking tab will line up when the nut is tight.
Repeat the above procedure for the other blade.
Now reinstall the hub dome and piston back into the front of the hub.
Reinstall the hub dome locking tab and screw. Safety wire the screw to
the hole in the locking tab.
Reinstall the dome cap or the spinner.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: tigeryak18t
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Prop inspection
<didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
Hello to all,
sorry if this subject has already been discussed but I couldn't find
anything about it. A friend of mine has a leak on his prop (yak52) . It
appears as a thin oil leak on the propeller after half an hour of
flight. I would like to inspect his prop hub, joins etc..
Do anyone knows where I can find a schematic of the prop, or a task
card or anything that can help to find where does this oil going on the
fins comes from.
Thanks a lot
--------
Didier Tiger YAK18T
Member of Commemorative Air Force
French Wing
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267005#267005
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain Updates |
Dynon's new SkyView products are going to set the bar up a few notches...
http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/news_technology_preview.html
-Bill VonDane
www.whiskeyvictor.com
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Tom Elliott <N13472@aol.com> wrote:
>
> The Advance Flight Systems units are good units. they also interface with
> the trutrac A/P's, hard wired as well
> as serial radios, transponders, GPS's. Synthetic vision and many other
> features. Voice annunciation for all Eng
> parameters as well as flight info ( Nav status ) and others. It is reported
> that they will have 10 + inch
> screen out after the first of the year. As big as the Blue MT. Large
> screen.
>
> www.advanced-flight-systems.com
>
> Tom Elliott
> CJ-6A NX63727
> 702-595-2680
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Warren Hill
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:30 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Blue Mountain Updates
>
>
> Larry,
>
> I think that Dynon and Grand Rapids will be the two left standing at the
> end
> of the day for experimental aircraft.
>
> http://www.dynonavionics.com/
>
> http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=1
>
> Very nice products.
>
> Warren Hill
> Mesa, AZ
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Larry Pine wrote:
>
> > Good thing I bought one update the day they said they were closing the
> > doors. I had a feeling that was going to happen.
> >
> > Larry Pine
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 10/7/09, N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Blue Mountain Updates
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:33 AM
> >
> >
> > No one has been able to get updates in spite of the fact that greg
> > says he is working on it.
> >
> > --------
> > Milt
> > 2003 F1 Rocket
> > 2006 Radial Rocket
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266923#//www.matronics.com/Navig
> ator?Yak-List
> > " target=_blank>http://www.matronicp; -Matt
> > Draronics.com/contribution" ======
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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