---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/09/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:56 AM - Re: Blue Mountain Updates (Craig Winkelmann) 2. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: smoke systems (Roger Kemp M.D.) 3. 08:06 AM - Re: smoke systems (barryhancock) 4. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: smoke systems (Rico Jaeger) 5. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: smoke systems (Byron Fox) 6. 10:42 AM - Re: smoke systems (barryhancock) 7. 12:43 PM - Re: smoke systems (keithmckinley) 8. 01:53 PM - Re: M-14P chip detector (A. Dennis Savarese) 9. 03:19 PM - Re: smoke systems (Sonic1) 10. 05:51 PM - Yak or CJ needed in Louisiana? (Kregg Victory) 11. 06:47 PM - Re: smoke systems (barryhancock) 12. 08:22 PM - Re: Yak or CJ needed in Louisiana? (keithmckinley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:27 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Blue Mountain Updates From: "Craig Winkelmann" The support I have received from BMA has been great. Now that they are shut down for new production and the staff is Greg and one office person, there may be delays in getting help (don't expect a same day response or some times same week response to an inquiry). Greg and I have been working on some engine monitoring issues for the past two months. While they are not producing new units, it is still possible to get an older one repaired. My engine pod (I use their engine monitoring) which is basically a board full of analog to digital converters, has just been reworked, tested at BMA and is being returned. As for the Jepp issue, I inquired to Greg about it and he responded last night that he is actively working on the issue. If he gets the issue resolved with Jepp or not is another matter. For it only being one guy trying to keep users going, he is not doing too bad a job from my experience. This is not meant to start a BMA discussion here. It is meant to give you some hope if you own BMA. There are other BMA users who are actively looking into buying the software and charging for updates, etc to continue to upgrade the software. If the units hardware can be repaired and the software and databases be upgraded, there is no need to change for many years. Bottom line is don't panic as things are still evolving. Please don't start a post back that Greg promised this and that and never delivered - old news and water over the dam. All I can tell you is what he has done for me regarding support and what he tells me he is working on. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267199#267199 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:25 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: smoke systems Don't have to imagine how much CO you are breathing. I know. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mozam Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: smoke systems Keith, My experience has been: 1. Lots of pumps will work equally well. But get a pump with a replaceable impeller/diaphragm. You WILL end up replacing it someday. 2. You only need one injector to make good smoke. Photos/personal observations show no difference from my one injector vs others with two. 3. Put the one injector on the left side (under your left foot when you sit in plane). You will get much less smoke in cockpit. Right side smoke blows up over the wing and gets into the cockpit more. Left side seems to keep to the belly, and thus exits out the back better. 4. Buy an injector from Smoking Airplanes (homemade ones do NOT work as well). 5. Put the injector just above the "Y" in the left side exhaust. Putting it higher on the exhaust pipe justs gets more smoke in the cockpit (as it leaks out every joint). (Imagine how much CO we must be breathing!) 6. Adjust the flow to .6 - .7 gal/min for best smoke (and little oil on belly). Have fun, Steve Dalton Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267166#267166 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:55 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: smoke systems From: "barryhancock" Gang, We have installed several SA kits for customers in CJ's and even an L-39 with no reported problems. I have had it in the Yak-50 for 3 years without any issues and it routinely sees 6+ G's. It makes very good smoke. With our fabrication capabilities it would not be difficult to build them from scratch, but unless you need an airshow size tank (larger than 5 gallons), it's just not cost effective for us to fabricate them. John is great with customer support and the installation is straight forward. Smoking Airplanes is the way to go. Barry P.S. Take Pappy's advice and put the injectors at least mid way down the stack. Additionlly, the right amount of oil under the right pressure (at least 40 psi) and a good injector make all the difference in how clean the burn is. -------- Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. www.worldwidewarbirds.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267227#267227 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:37 AM PST US From: "Rico Jaeger" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: smoke systems What's a ballpark price on an SA system? >>> "Roger Kemp M.D." 10/9/2009 8:47 AM >>> Don't have to imagine how much CO you are breathing. I know. Doc -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mozam Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: smoke systems Keith, My experience has been: 1. Lots of pumps will work equally well. But get a pump with a replaceabl e impeller/diaphragm. You WILL end up replacing it someday. 2. You only need one injector to make good smoke. Photos/personal observations show no difference from my one injector vs others with two. 3. Put the one injector on the left side (under your left foot when you sit in plane). You will get much less smoke in cockpit. Right side smoke blows up over the wing and gets into the cockpit more. Left side seems to keep to the belly, and thus exits out the back better. 4. Buy an injector from Smoking Airplanes (homemade ones do NOT work as well). 5. Put the injector just above the "Y" in the left side exhaust. Putting it higher on the exhaust pipe justs gets more smoke in the cockpit (as it leaks out every joint). (Imagine how much CO we must be breathing!) 6. Adjust the flow to .6 - .7 gal/min for best smoke (and little oil on belly). Have fun, Steve Dalton Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267166#267166 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:55 AM PST US From: Byron Fox Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: smoke systems Go to smokingairplanes.com for pricing Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, "Rico Jaeger" wrote: > What's a ballpark price on an SA system? > > > >>> "Roger Kemp M.D." 10/9/2009 8:47 AM >>> > > > > Don't have to imagine how much CO you are breathing. I know. > Doc > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mozam > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:44 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Re: smoke systems > > > Keith, > > My experience has been: > 1. Lots of pumps will work equally well. But get a pump with a > replaceable > impeller/diaphragm. You WILL end up replacing it someday. > 2. You only need one injector to make good smoke. Photos/personal > observations show no difference from my one injector vs others with > two. > 3. Put the one injector on the left side (under your left foot when > you sit > in plane). You will get much less smoke in cockpit. Right side > smoke blows > up over the wing and gets into the cockpit more. Left side seems to > keep to > the belly, and thus exits out the back better. > 4. Buy an injector from Smoking Airplanes (homemade ones do NOT > work as > well). > 5. Put the injector just above the "Y" in the left side exhaust. > Putting > it higher on the exhaust pipe justs gets more smoke in the cockpit > (as it > leaks out every joint). (Imagine how much CO we must be breathing!) > 6. Adjust the flow to .6 - .7 gal/min for best smoke (and little > oil on > belly). > > Have fun, > Steve Dalton > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267166#267166 > > > sp; - The Yak-List Email Forum matronics.com/Navigator?Yak">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Lis > - .matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:33 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: smoke systems From: "barryhancock" Guys...for comparison's sake..... The lead aircraft is me in the -50 with a single injector. The smoker on the left is a custom system with 2 injectors (a tad more dense), the one on the right is custom single injector. Custom systems run about 2x the SA system... -------- Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. www.worldwidewarbirds.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267254#267254 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1102_473.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:31 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: smoke systems From: "keithmckinley" barryhancock wrote: > Custom systems run about 2x the SA system... I'll agree the SA system is complete and probably easy and simple to install. No doubt the one stop customer service is a bonus as well, but I respectfully disagree on the above statement. I can get a custom aluminum tank (5 gal) with 4 flanges and all the fittings for mounting a pump, vent, level sending unit, as well as filler neck, etc for 300 bucks. The tank will be sized to fit exactly where I need it. The pump SA uses is readily available for around a 100 bucks so that leaves a nozzle, regulator valve, some hose , AN fittings and a switch. I'm sure those items will be under 475 bucks. Not sure what I'll do but that's why I started the thread. No doubt SA is well respected for their gear. Keith -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267269#267269 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:24 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: M-14P chip detector Steve, You may try repairing the cracked rubber with a high temp silicone/RTV sealant. If you want to smooth out the sealant, try dipping your finger into light weight oil and rub your finger over the lumps to smooth it out. Keep your finger wet with the oil though or you'll still have lumps. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Mozam To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: Yak-List: M-14P chip detector Hey Y'all, The rubber material encasing the triangular shaped mounting surface of my M-14P oil sump chip detector is falling apart. It is not completely insulating the unit when attached. As a result, I get a chip detector light on when at low power settings, i.e. less than cruise power. (There's another question: why only at lower power settings?) Note: It is an electrical/insulation issue, not a chip issue, the unit is clean as a whistle...no debris in it at all. I also have an ADC filter screen with a chip light (also clean as a whistle.) Question: Is there some way to repair the rubber insulation on this thing, or am I forced to just buy a new one...and can one buy one...from whom? Thanks, Steve Dalton Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267170#267170 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:26 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: smoke systems From: "Sonic1" Found this.... http://www.acroflyer.com/smoke_system.htm Jeff. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267292#267292 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:28 PM PST US From: "Kregg Victory" Subject: Yak-List: Yak or CJ needed in Louisiana? A friend of mine organizing an aviation event http://caneaviation.com/ in LA Nov 13-15, 2009 . They would love to have a CJ6 or Yak at the event or even someone to talk about yaks and CJ's Anyone in the area interested in joining the event? Or is anyone going? Victory Aero LLC 2502 John Montgomery Dr. San Jose, CA 95148 408-729-7635 (office) 408-836-5122 (Cell) www.balancemyprop.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:34 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: smoke systems From: "barryhancock" Keith, if you can do it for that...go for it! The "custom" systems I'm talking about are those installed by other shops. Complexity and quality always play a role... Barry -------- Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. www.worldwidewarbirds.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267303#267303 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:07 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak or CJ needed in Louisiana? From: "keithmckinley" will they pay for my gas from Massachusetts! :) K -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267309#267309 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.