---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/22/09: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:36 AM - Re: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. (Yak52w@aol.com) 2. 05:55 AM - Re: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. (cjpilot710@aol.com) 3. 08:41 AM - Re: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. (jblake207@COMCAST.NET) 4. 09:09 AM - Re: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. (Roger Kemp M.D.) 5. 01:38 PM - Re: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. (dabear) 6. 01:53 PM - Re: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 7. 02:10 PM - Re: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. (Roger Kemp M.D.) 8. 03:29 PM - Re: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. (Paul Hamlin) 9. 04:13 PM - Re: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. (Mark Davis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:53 AM PST US From: Yak52w@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. I have had a tru trac system for several years in my yak 52w and been quit e pleased with it. George Coys group installed it. Several observations..... I have it hooked up to work off the course trac from my Garmin 496. It works great. The display is hard to read. It is supposed to have a light and if I cover the sensor it does light. The guys locally do not like me leading a flight with the auto pilot on as it has a tendency to porpoise slightly in and wind/turbulence. They do not understand lead is always in position. It has been a great tool to get some relief on long solo cross countries to SnF & Osh. Folding maps is a LOT easier. I also have a Horizon brand digital tac which is far superior to the original equipt. After re-soldering the original tac generator multiple ti mes I installed a replacement. The factory set the indicator lights for max continuous rpm based on my specifications. It takes a while to retrain you r brain not to try to set a specific digital rpm. The digital mag drop durin g ru n-up is helpful. Tim Stevens In a message dated 10/22/2009 2:04:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ReadeG@cairnwood.com writes: Hal: I just purchased a Yk-52TD that the prior owner set up with a DigiTrak II AP from TruTrac. It is coupled to a Garmin 430 and seems to work quite well. I=99ve only tested it locally (no cross country or IFR approa ches yet!). the servos handle pitch and roll just fine (i.e. pretty smooth and stable). Not sure which servos are installed =93 I believe Cliff Coy at Gesoco did the install. I=99ve only had the TD for 4 weeks. Been spendin g most flights doing aerobatics! The stock 52 is fun but this thing is great. Reade Reade Genzlinger Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation _mailto:readeg@cairnwood.com_ (mailto:readeg@cairnwood.com) 215.914.0370 From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hal Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:46 PM Subject: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. I am considering installing a TruTrac autopilot in my CJ. If you have experience flying with one of these units in your CJ I would appreciate hearing what your experience has been like. Strengths, problems? Thanks. Please contact me off line at _Yakjock@gmail.com_ (mailto:Yakjock@gmail.com) or 503-704-6559. Best regards, Hal Morley http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:28 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. I put in a E Z autopilot. It took me 1 day to install. It took 1 day to install the pitch control servo when I later install altitude hold. Most the time is running wires and hooking up switches. It made the trips to OSH, Delaware, and Maine a pure pleasure this year. Lets you do in-flight management (folding - un folding maps, checking weather, tuning radios, etc) without having to keep track of the airplane. I believe it added a factor of safety for me. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 10/22/2009 12:51:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yakjock@gmail.com writes: I am considering installing a TruTrac autopilot in my CJ. If you have experience flying with one of these units in your CJ I would appreciate hearing what your experience has been like. Strengths, problems? Thanks. Please contact me off line at _Yakjock@gmail.com_ (mailto:Yakjock@gmail.com) or 503-704-6559. Best regards, Hal Morley (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:59 AM PST US From: jblake207@COMCAST.NET Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. You guys are all wimps!=C2- Auto pilots - bah humbug!=C2- Real YAK pilo ts trim the airplane with=C2-a 7 pound force nose-down in order to build muscles and character - especially on those long cross country flights to M aine!! =C2- Wimps!! =C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:48:57 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac A Ps in a CJ. I put in a E Z autopilot.=C2- It took me 1 day to install.=C2- It took 1 day to install the pitch control servo when I later install altitude hold .=C2- Most the time is running wires and hooking up switches. It made the trips to OSH, Delaware, and Maine a pure pleasure this year.=C2 - Lets you do in-flight management (folding - un folding maps, checking w eather, tuning radios, etc) without having to keep track of the airplane. =C2- I believe it added a factor of safety for me. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 10/22/2009 12:51:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yakjock@ gmail.com writes: I am considering installing a TruTrac autopilot in my CJ. =C2-If you have experience flying with one of these units in your CJ I would appreciate he aring what your experience has been like. =C2-Strengths, problems? Thanks. =C2-Please contact me off line at Yakjock@gmail.com or 503-704-65 59. Best regards, Hal Morley=C2- =================== ================ ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Yak-List =================== ================ ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ========= = tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ===================== == ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:05 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. Has anyone installed the Dynon system yet? With the 5.1 soft ware update, the D10A and the D100 are supposed to drive a 2 axis servo system with the addition of a wiring harness for the servos and a HS 74 interface module. http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/Autopilot_intro.html I am sold on my D10A in the 50. Doc Kemp YAK 50 N78YK From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. I put in a E Z autopilot. It took me 1 day to install. It took 1 day to install the pitch control servo when I later install altitude hold. Most the time is running wires and hooking up switches. It made the trips to OSH, Delaware, and Maine a pure pleasure this year. Lets you do in-flight management (folding - un folding maps, checking weather, tuning radios, etc) without having to keep track of the airplane. I believe it added a factor of safety for me. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 10/22/2009 12:51:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yakjock@gmail.com writes: I am considering installing a TruTrac autopilot in my CJ. If you have experience flying with one of these units in your CJ I would appreciate hearing what your experience has been like. Strengths, problems? Thanks. Please contact me off line at Yakjock@gmail.com or 503-704-6559. Best regards, Hal Morley =================================== ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Yak-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:28 PM PST US From: "dabear" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. I'm waiting for their sky view system. I'll then install that and the autopilot. I'm still looking for the surplus APQ-120 Radar system for it. :-) DaBear ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Kemp M.D. To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. Has anyone installed the Dynon system yet? With the 5.1 soft ware update, the D10A and the D100 are supposed to drive a 2 axis servo system with the addition of a wiring harness for the servos and a HS 74 interface module. http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/Autopilot_intro.html I am sold on my D10A in the 50. Doc Kemp YAK 50 N78YK From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:49 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. I put in a E Z autopilot. It took me 1 day to install. It took 1 day to install the pitch control servo when I later install altitude hold. Most the time is running wires and hooking up switches. It made the trips to OSH, Delaware, and Maine a pure pleasure this year. Lets you do in-flight management (folding - un folding maps, checking weather, tuning radios, etc) without having to keep track of the airplane. I believe it added a factor of safety for me. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 10/22/2009 12:51:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yakjock@gmail.com writes: I am considering installing a TruTrac autopilot in my CJ. If you have experience flying with one of these units in your CJ I would appreciate hearing what your experience has been like. Strengths, problems? Thanks. Please contact me off line at Yakjock@gmail.com or 503-704-6559. Best regards, Hal Morley ============"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Y ak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List======= ====ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com===== ======tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matroni cs.com/contribution================== ================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt p://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:54 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" I have this spare F-4 sitting here... Come get what you need! That said, I refuse to work on that piece of junk RADAR for you! IMHO, it was worse than the APQ-92 Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dabear Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 13:38 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. I'm waiting for their sky view system. I'll then install that and the autopilot. I'm still looking for the surplus APQ-120 Radar system for it. :-) DaBear ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Kemp M.D. To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. Has anyone installed the Dynon system yet? With the 5.1 soft ware update, the D10A and the D100 are supposed to drive a 2 axis servo system with the addition of a wiring harness for the servos and a HS 74 interface module. http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/Autopilot_intro.html I am sold on my D10A in the 50. Doc Kemp YAK 50 N78YK From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:49 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. I put in a E Z autopilot. It took me 1 day to install. It took 1 day to install the pitch control servo when I later install altitude hold. Most the time is running wires and hooking up switches. It made the trips to OSH, Delaware, and Maine a pure pleasure this year. Lets you do in-flight management (folding - un folding maps, checking weather, tuning radios, etc) without having to keep track of the airplane. I believe it added a factor of safety for me. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 10/22/2009 12:51:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yakjock@gmail.com writes: I am considering installing a TruTrac autopilot in my CJ. If you have experience flying with one of these units in your CJ I would appreciate hearing what your experience has been like. Strengths, problems? Thanks. Please contact me off line at Yakjock@gmail.com or 503-704-6559. Best regards, Hal Morley =================================== ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on =================================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:13 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. You are going to need a centerline pod. Now you will have a use for that backseat. You can train a RIO for that. Happy hunting. Doc Kemp From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dabear Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:38 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. I'm waiting for their sky view system. I'll then install that and the autopilot. I'm still looking for the surplus APQ-120 Radar system for it. :-) DaBear ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Kemp M.D. Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. Has anyone installed the Dynon system yet? With the 5.1 soft ware update, the D10A and the D100 are supposed to drive a 2 axis servo system with the addition of a wiring harness for the servos and a HS 74 interface module. http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/Autopilot_intro.html I am sold on my D10A in the 50. Doc Kemp YAK 50 N78YK From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. I put in a E Z autopilot. It took me 1 day to install. It took 1 day to install the pitch control servo when I later install altitude hold. Most the time is running wires and hooking up switches. It made the trips to OSH, Delaware, and Maine a pure pleasure this year. Lets you do in-flight management (folding - un folding maps, checking weather, tuning radios, etc) without having to keep track of the airplane. I believe it added a factor of safety for me. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 10/22/2009 12:51:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yakjock@gmail.com writes: I am considering installing a TruTrac autopilot in my CJ. If you have experience flying with one of these units in your CJ I would appreciate hearing what your experience has been like. Strengths, problems? Thanks. Please contact me off line at Yakjock@gmail.com or 503-704-6559. Best regards, Hal Morley =================================== ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Yak-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:39 PM PST US From: Paul Hamlin Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. Hey the F4 had a great radar - if I could see it, my Rio could lock it up - maybe! - Trash --- On Thu, 10/22/09, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac A Ps in a CJ. ALS-14 64E" I have this spare F-4 sitting here... Come get what you need!- That said, I refuse to work on that piece of junk RADAR for you! IMHO, it was worse than the APQ-92--- Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dabear Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 13:38 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. I'm waiting for their sky view system.- I'll then install that and the autopilot. I'm still looking for the surplus APQ-120 Radar system for it.---:-) DaBear --- ----- Original Message ----- --- From: Roger Kemp M.D. - --- To: yak-list@matronics.com --- Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:01 PM --- Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. --- Has anyone installed the Dynon system yet? With the 5.1 soft ware update, the D10A and the D100 are supposed to drive a 2 axis servo system with the addition of a wiring harness for the servos and a HS 74 interface module. http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/Autopilot_intro.html --- I am sold on my D10A in the 50. --- Doc Kemp --- YAK 50 N78YK ----- --- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com --- Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:49 AM --- To: yak-list@matronics.com --- Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. ----- --- I put in a E Z autopilot.- It took me 1 day to install.- It t ook 1 day to install the pitch control servo when I later install altitude hold.- Most the time is running wires and hooking up switches. ----- --- It made the trips to OSH, Delaware, and Maine a pure pleasure this year.- Lets you do in-flight management (folding - un folding maps, checking weather, tuning radios, etc) without having to keep track of the airplane.- I believe it added a factor of safety for me. ----- --- Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ----- --- In a message dated 10/22/2009 12:51:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yakjock@gmail.com writes: --- --- I am considering installing a TruTrac autopilot in my CJ.- If you have experience flying with one of these units in your CJ I would appreciate hearing what your experience has been like.- Strengths, problems? --- ----- --- --- Thanks.- Please contact me off line at Yakjock@gmail. com or 503-704-6559. --- ----- --- --- Best regards, --- ----- --- --- Hal Morley --- ----- --- ----- --- --- ================== ================= --- ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List --- --- ================== ================= --- --- ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com --- --- ================== ================= --- tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on --- --- ================== ================= --- ----- ----- ----- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List --- --- --- --- http://forums.matronics.com --- --- --- --- --- http://www.matronics.com/contribution --- ----- --- --- --- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Yak-List --- href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com --- href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c --- le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:48 PM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. The only problem with being able to see the target normally meant it was daytime, which meant the bad guys saw the black "look at me" exhaust five minutes before you saw them. I called a tally on a section of Phantoms off of the Midway at 70 miles in the Sea of Japan on a really clear day. Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hamlin To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. Hey the F4 had a great radar - if I could see it, my Rio could lock it up - maybe! Trash --- On Thu, 10/22/09, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. To: yak-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 9:53 PM Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" I have this spare F-4 sitting here... Come get what you need! That said, I refuse to work on that piece of junk RADAR for you! IMHO, it was worse than the APQ-92 Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dabear Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 13:38 To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. I'm waiting for their sky view system. I'll then install that and the autopilot. I'm still looking for the surplus APQ-120 Radar system for it. :-) DaBear ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Kemp M.D. To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. Has anyone installed the Dynon system yet? With the 5.1 soft ware update, the D10A and the D100 are supposed to drive a 2 axis servo system with the addition of a wiring harness for the servos and a HS 74 interface module. http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/Autopilot_intro.html I am sold on my D10A in the 50. Doc Kemp YAK 50 N78YK From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:49 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for info from pilots who have used TruTrac APs in a CJ. I put in a E Z autopilot. It took me 1 day to install. It took 1 day to install the pitch control servo when I later install altitude hold. Most the time is running wires and hooking up switches. It made the trips to OSH, Delaware, and Maine a pure pleasure this year. Lets you do in-flight management (folding - un folding maps, checking weather, tuning radios, etc) without having to keep track of the airplane. I believe it added a factor of safety for me. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 10/22/2009 12:51:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yakjock@gmail.com writes: I am considering installing a TruTrac autopilot in my CJ. If you have experience flying with one of these units in your CJ I would appreciate hearing what your experience has been like. Strengths, problems? Thanks. Please contact me off line at Yakjock@gmail.com or 503-704-6559. 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