---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/03/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:43 AM - November List Fund Raiser (Matt Dralle) 1. 06:41 AM - Header Tank Leak (Craig Winkelmann) 2. 06:59 AM - YAK 18T (SC) 3. 08:04 AM - Re: Header Tank Leak (doug sapp) 4. 01:06 PM - Re: Header Tank Leak (Craig Winkelmann) 5. 06:35 PM - (Russ) 6. 06:35 PM - (delfin) 7. 08:50 PM - Re: Re: Header Tank Leak (Walter Lannon) 8. 08:53 PM - Re: (Roger Kemp M.D.) 9. 09:13 PM - Re: rivets and tools (Jon Boede) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:52 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Yak-List: November List Fund Raiser A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... 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The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.] ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:04 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Header Tank Leak From: "Craig Winkelmann" When plane was topped off the other day (first time in two months as plane has been in shop for some rewiring), there was a strong smell of fuel in the cockpit. Investigated and the header tank fitting on the right side (where wing tank line enters header tank) has heavy blue staining on it. Before defueling the plane to correct, is this a dry fitting, are there seals, any type of sealer to use? Also, how do I get the blue stain off places where fuel leaked? Thanks, Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270765#270765 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:24 AM PST US From: "SC" Subject: Yak-List: YAK 18T Hi Has anybody got the reference numbers for supply of USA bearings for ailerons and vertical stabiliser for YAK 18T please ? Even better / can anybody supply these bearings please ? Thanks BigglesUSA ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Header Tank Leak From: doug sapp Craig, Call me before you try to remove the fitting from the header tank. If you do it incorrectly you will twist the flapper off the valve which is on the inside of the loose fitting. Doug On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Craig Winkelmann wrote: > > When plane was topped off the other day (first time in two months as plane > has been in shop for some rewiring), there was a strong smell of fuel in the > cockpit. Investigated and the header tank fitting on the right side (where > wing tank line enters header tank) has heavy blue staining on it. Before > defueling the plane to correct, is this a dry fitting, are there seals, any > type of sealer to use? Also, how do I get the blue stain off places where > fuel leaked? > > Thanks, > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270765#270765 > > -- Maybe life is not the party that we were expecting, but in the mean time, we're here and we can still dance....." Douglas Sapp Doug Sapp LLC 18B Riverview Road Omak WA 98841 PH 509-826-4610 Fax 509-826-3644 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:05 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Header Tank Leak From: "Craig Winkelmann" Thanks Doug, as always it was good to talk to you. You wanted me to make sure I did not have the tank upside-down with the flappers hanging open when trying to retighten the fitting. I was hoping to not need to remove the header tank at all. I have looked at Book 2, Figure 1-11 and there is no detail of the fitting and flapper valve. Any other insight about how to tighten/seal this connection would be a big help. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270826#270826 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:16 PM PST US From: "Russ" Subject: Yak-List: A C-130 was lumbering along when a cocky F-16 flashed by. The jet jockey decided to show off. The fighter jock told the C-130 pilot, 'watch this!' and promptly went into a barrel roll followed by a steep climb. He then finished with a sonic boom as he broke the sound barrier. The F-16 pilot asked the C-130 pilot what he thought of that? The C-130 pilot said, 'That was impressive, but watch this!' The C-130 droned along for about 5 minutes and then the C-130 pilot came back on and said: 'What did you think of that?' Puzzled, the F-16 pilot asked, 'What the heck did you do?' The C-130 pilot chuckled. 'I stood up, stretched my legs, walked to the back, went to the bathroom, then got a cup of coffee and a cinnamon bun.' When you are young & foolish - speed & flash may seem a good thing !!! When you get older & smarter - comfort & dull is not such a bad thing !!! Us older folks understand this one. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:16 PM PST US From: delfin I am looking for a source to obtain metric aircraft riviets and tools neces sary to make repairs to european aircraft skin---- any suggestions ------ =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:41 PM PST US From: Walter Lannon Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Header Tank Leak Hi Craig; You can't just "tighten the fitting". The flapper valve hinge must remain exactly at the top to provide proper operation. There is a mark on one flat of the nut to indicate the top position. You will need to remove the valve assy. This is where Doug's caution comes into play. It may be possible to remove with the tank installed but you need to turn carefully by hand to determine if the flapper has opened and hung up. If so you must remove the tank.in order to remove the valve. Clean up, check operation and re-install with a new gasket a little thicker than the one you removed. The objective is tight - with the hinge exactly at the top. Not as easy as it sounds, you may need a variety of gaskets of varying thickness. An AN900-29 copper crush washer may do the job. Use Parker Seal-Lube (or Fuel-Lube) on the threads and the gasket. I usually make an index mark on the nut opposite to the Chinese mark so that it is easier to see when tightening. Good luck Walt ---- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Winkelmann" Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Header Tank Leak > > Thanks Doug, as always it was good to talk to you. You wanted me to make > sure I did not have the tank upside-down with the flappers hanging open > when trying to retighten the fitting. > > I was hoping to not need to remove the header tank at all. I have looked > at Book 2, Figure 1-11 and there is no detail of the fitting and flapper > valve. > > Any other insight about how to tighten/seal this connection would be a big > help. > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270826#270826 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:01 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Subject: RE: Yak-List: Russ, I'm 59 years old entering my last year of military (ANG) service and am still flying the F-16. There are things to be said about comfort and riding but when it comes to shear fun with what's left of my hair on fire the venerable ol 130 is just not going to cut it! There are fighters and then there are targets. The 130 is a target. When it comes to the fight, I'll take 4 X 4 gun any day with the ability to shoot back not throughing trash out to the back. As for comfort, the Viper is strapped on like your favorite pair of driving gloves. You strap her on as an extension of yourself not walk up the steps/ramp into a cavern. With that 30 degree tilt seat, I'm quite comfortable in that little cocoon with the panoramic view not having to ID my foe by looking out at the world through a portal. Although a nimble aircraft, the 130 will shuck her wings at 9 Gs everytime! Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russ Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: Yak-List: A C-130 was lumbering along when a cocky F-16 flashed by. The jet jockey decided to show off. The fighter jock told the C-130 pilot, 'watch this!' and promptly went into a barrel roll followed by a steep climb. He then finished with a sonic boom as he broke the sound barrier. The F-16 pilot asked the C-130 pilot what he thought of that? The C-130 pilot said, 'That was impressive, but watch this!' The C-130 droned along for about 5 minutes and then the C-130 pilot came back on and said: 'What did you think of that?' Puzzled, the F-16 pilot asked, 'What the heck did you do?' The C-130 pilot chuckled. 'I stood up, stretched my legs, walked to the back, went to the bathroom, then got a cup of coffee and a cinnamon bun.' When you are young & foolish - speed & flash may seem a good thing !!! When you get older & smarter - comfort & dull is not such a bad thing !!! Us older folks understand this one. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:24 PM PST US From: Jon Boede Subject: Yak-List: RE: rivets and tools We don't use any special tools=2C but the rivets are proving to be a be-yat ch! Will copy you on any sources we find. What size rivets do you need? Jon From: delfin_driver@yahoo.com I am looking for a source to obtain metric aircraft riviets and tools neces sary to make repairs to european aircraft skin any suggestions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.